Board Thought - New Threads Vs "Official" Threads On Players (1 Viewer)

[Hankmoody]

No. I don't think those need to be any master thread at all. They're just football discussion. Brees thread has turned into who's better thread which has turned into discussion about how other players affect QB. That should never be only in a Drew Brees master thread at all. I think it should be just like it is and on the board as football discussion. Never merged into anything. It stands on it's own. Same for Carson Wentz recovery. That's a good topic that can stand on it's own and not be buried into a master thread. Right now in May, Wentz' recovery is a hot topic. 

Then I guess I don't understand the purpose of the official player threads or the value of keeping the index updated.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Then I guess I don't understand the purpose of the official player threads or the value of keeping the index updated.

As it stands now, they have a function when people want to contribute something specific to just that player.

I do think it's a fair question to ask people if something like the Rotoworld board with much less participation and hyper focused posting where tons of discussion is not allowed is maybe something we want to do. I personally don't think it is. And I think our board would be as slow as their board if we limited discussion that tightly. But it's a question worth looking into.

 

[northern exposure]

As it stands now, they have a function when people want to contribute something specific to just that player.

I do think it's a fair question to ask people if something like the Rotoworld board with much less participation and hyper focused posting where tons of discussion is not allowed is maybe something we want to do. I personally don't think it is. And I think our board would be as slow as their board if we limited discussion that tightly. But it's a question worth looking into.

I think you are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to FBG and Rotoworld.RW is a news gathering site where staff post news blurbs and adds their take on the news. Their boards aren't policed as much as FBG so theý get out of hand pretty quickly. 

The SP is a place where these news blurbs can be discussed without it being like the Wild West. 

I use RW as my primary news source and only recently started using the SP to discuss the news. I tried the SP in the past, but found it to be "unwelcoming" to new posters. It has been better this time.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think you are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to FBG and Rotoworld.RW is a news gathering site where staff post news blurbs and adds their take on the news. Their boards aren't policed as much as FBG so theý get out of hand pretty quickly. 

The SP is a place where these news blurbs can be discussed without it being like the Wild West. 

I use RW as my primary news source and only recently started using the SP to discuss the news. I tried the SP in the past, but found it to be "unwelcoming" to new posters. It has been better this time.

I agree. RW is just different. I like our style of discussion way better. And clearly, our board is way more active than theirs. But ours would be just as slow if we limited discussion as tightly as they do. It also seems like a nightmare to manage. Where does a big Kamara vs Ingram discussion go for instance? Does Carson Wentz rehab talk also to in Nick Foles? That kind of thing. 

I think our current way is much better and obviously makes for more discussion and interaction which I like.

 

[Hankmoody]

As it stands now, they have a function when people want to contribute something specific to just that player.

I do think it's a fair question to ask people if something like the Rotoworld board with much less participation and hyper focused posting where tons of discussion is not allowed is maybe something we want to do. I personally don't think it is. And I think our board would be as slow as their board if we limited discussion that tightly. But it's a question worth looking into.

How is a topic about Carson Wentz's recovery not exactly that? 

Or how "underestimated" Drew Brees is?  All threads are going to wander around into different tangents, that's unavoidable and not a bad thing.  You can't discuss Derek Carr without comparing him to the other QB's he was drafted with, or other QB's with similar contracts.  You can't avoid talking about Alex Smith or Andy Reid in a Patrick Mahomes thread.  Bringing up Foles in a Wentz thread shouldn't be taboo when it's done within context of being his backup.

If you don't want to keep them consolidated hey that's fine, it's your board, I just don't understand how things work now.

 

[Joe Bryant]

How is a topic about Carson Wentz's recovery not exactly that? 

Or how "underestimated" Drew Brees is?  All threads are going to wander around into different tangents, that's unavoidable and not a bad thing.  You can't discuss Derek Carr without comparing him to the other QB's he was drafted with, or other QB's with similar contracts.  You can't avoid talking about Alex Smith or Andy Reid in a Patrick Mahomes thread.  Bringing up Foles in a Wentz thread shouldn't be taboo when it's done within context of being his backup.

If you don't want to keep them consolidated hey that's fine, it's your board, I just don't understand how things work now.

Because just about any Wentz thread is going to also be about Foles too. Same as any Kamara thread will be about Ingram. 

 

[FF Ninja]

I'm for keeping most player specific topics in one thread (like the Sharpe example mentioned). Maybe FBG should proactively start threads on certain players so the format of the title will be correct, or just create a thread later (with proper title format) and merge the existing thread into it?

As for breaking news, we all get that news before it is posted in the forum. I don't really see a need for breaking threads. If I get a notification on sleeperbot that Marhsall signed with the Seahawks and want to discuss it, I'll go to the Marshall thread. Sure as hell wouldn't discuss it in the cesspool that is the sleeperbot chat section 

 

[Chaka]

How is a topic about Carson Wentz's recovery not exactly that? 

Or how "underestimated" Drew Brees is?  All threads are going to wander around into different tangents, that's unavoidable and not a bad thing.  You can't discuss Derek Carr without comparing him to the other QB's he was drafted with, or other QB's with similar contracts.  You can't avoid talking about Alex Smith or Andy Reid in a Patrick Mahomes thread.  Bringing up Foles in a Wentz thread shouldn't be taboo when it's done within context of being his backup.

If you don't want to keep them consolidated hey that's fine, it's your board, I just don't understand how things work now.

The Drew Brees thread seems pretty obvious. If it's posted in the official thread it likely doesn't get hits from people that aren't owners, which limits the discussion. That thread is also about historical context which would probably bother a lot of people in the Official thread who care only about the news and updates and their impact.

But with a title like "underestimated" you know you are going be talking about Brees in a historical context which is always chum in the water for the Tom "I Cheat; Accept It and Move On" Brady fanboys and Fivehead Manning fanboys etc.  It's just different discussion.

 

[shadyridr]

I think maybe this should be a discussion about what the board should be. The Shark Pool has always been kind of the "barbershop" type forum where all kinds of things are discussed. Drew Brees underrated thread is a great example. Starts off with that and turns into general NFL talk and how teammates effect and discussion about rings. 

Rotoworld is strictly a 2018 Brees Outlook. There's no room for talking about underrated QBs there. I'm not saying their way is wrong. I'm saying it's super limiting. 

I guess it comes down to what kind of board and focus you guys want. 

I know. I like the latter. You asked for opinions

 

[shadyridr]

I think you are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to FBG and Rotoworld.RW is a news gathering site where staff post news blurbs and adds their take on the news. Their boards aren't policed as much as FBG so theý get out of hand pretty quickly. 

The SP is a place where these news blurbs can be discussed without it being like the Wild West. 

I use RW as my primary news source and only recently started using the SP to discuss the news. I tried the SP in the past, but found it to be "unwelcoming" to new posters. It has been better this time.

 their boards have much more moderation. God forbid you post about your team in the fantasy outlook threads. Its quickly deleted. Player threads are locked during game time and all posting takes place in the game threads. Their assistant coach forum is also 10x more active. 

 

[shadyridr]

I agree. RW is just different. I like our style of discussion way better. And clearly, our board is way more active than theirs. But ours would be just as slow if we limited discussion as tightly as they do. It also seems like a nightmare to manage. Where does a big Kamara vs Ingram discussion go for instance? Does Carson Wentz rehab talk also to in Nick Foles? That kind of thing. 

I think our current way is much better and obviously makes for more discussion and interaction which I like.

 meh it works fine on their boards. And what makes these boards more active? During the season their boards seem way more active to me. 

 

[shadyridr]

The Drew Brees thread seems pretty obvious. If it's posted in the official thread it likely doesn't get hits from people that aren't owners, which limits the discussion. That thread is also about historical context which would probably bother a lot of people in the Official thread who care only about the news and updates and their impact.

But with a title like "underestimated" you know you are going be talking about Brees in a historical context which is always chum in the water for the Tom "I Cheat; Accept It and Move On" Brady fanboys and Fivehead Manning fanboys etc.  It's just different discussion.

 Yes their boards are definitely more fantasy focused which i thought the point of these boards was. Maybe a NFL forum and fantasy forum works. I have zero interest in a brees is underrated thread. That's just my opinion. 

 

[Chaka]

 Yes their boards are definitely more fantasy focused which i thought the point of these boards was. Maybe a NFL forum and fantasy forum works. I have zero interest in a brees is underrated thread. That's just my opinion. 

Which is why I said that people in the Official Brees thread probably wouldn't like that discussion in there.

It is also why @Joe Bryant is trying to standardize breaking news thread titles, to make it easier to find.

 

[shadyridr]

Which is why I said that people in the Official Brees thread probably wouldn't like that discussion in there.

It is also why @Joe Bryant is trying to standardize breaking news thread titles, to make it easier to find.

Yeah there really isn't any NFL talk on rw forums its all fantasy focused. Which is why I suggested 2 forums. I think something like official fantasy outlook threads for each player. All news including breaking goes on their thread. All non fantasy related topics can be standalone. Nobody really comes to forums for breaking news now. Its all over Twitter and rw first. Then we discuss the impact of the breaking news in that players thread or his handcuffs, etc.

 

[Chaka]

Yeah there really isn't any NFL talk on rw forums its all fantasy focused. Which is why I suggested 2 forums. I think something like official fantasy outlook threads for each player. All news including breaking goes on their thread. All non fantasy related topics can be standalone. Nobody really comes to forums for breaking news now. Its all over Twitter and rw first. Then we discuss the impact of the breaking news in that players thread or his handcuffs, etc.

Maybe that's the answer but I think it's going to dilute both forums and we will lose value overall.

 

[shadyridr]

Maybe that's the answer but I think it's going to dilute both forums and we will lose value overall.

Yeah guess it can be in same forum as long as people stick to it. I just like all my fantasy news in one thread dedicated to that player. During the preseason I read most threads. Once season starts I only read threads dedicated to players I own or looking to acquire etc.

 

[Joe Bryant]

 meh it works fine on their boards. And what makes these boards more active? During the season their boards seem way more active to me. 

Agreed. That's why I said of RW: "I'm not saying their way is wrong. I'm saying it's super limiting."

As for why our boards are so much busier, I think it's because we don't limit the posting as much. That's no knock on them at all. RW is a fantastic company. They're just going for something a little different than we are here. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Yeah there really isn't any NFL talk on rw forums its all fantasy focused. Which is why I suggested 2 forums. I think something like official fantasy outlook threads for each player. All news including breaking goes on their thread. All non fantasy related topics can be standalone. Nobody really comes to forums for breaking news now. Its all over Twitter and rw first. Then we discuss the impact of the breaking news in that players thread or his handcuffs, etc.

And for sure. Breaking news doesn't happen here. But I hope DISCUSSION of breaking news happens here. We'll see. I thought the stuff you guys did yesterday was fantastic. 

 

[northern exposure]

 their boards have much more moderation. God forbid you post about your team in the fantasy outlook threads. Its quickly deleted. Player threads are locked during game time and all posting takes place in the game threads. Their assistant coach forum is also 10x more active. 

I guess things have changed over there. I haven't been in their Forums in a couple of years other than "Your League" threads. The RW forums used to be riddled with trolls and guys that didn't understand that a debate on a topic can happen without making personal attacks.

 

[Interseptopus]

keep as is

 

[daveR]

I don't think it'd be very hard to do both.  That is, using the Carson Wentz example, a separate thread regarding his current health, which will eventually fade to page 2, 3, etc., plus a link to that thread in the "official" thread.  Of course, that would require someone to add it...