Brady Quinn (1 Viewer)

[MAC_32]

I would say DA has a leash but how long? The Browns have 2 1st rd picks invested in Quinn and they both make a bunch of money. Few more losses may do it....

Fail. Quinn is making barely over the league minimum.

"Brady Quinn has agreed to a five-year contact with the Cleveland Browns worth $20.2 million, with $7.75 million guaranteed, ending his holdout. " - as long as he is on their roster, which he will be for the forseeable future, he is making $4M per year with bonuses can't discount those - Certainly not the minimum!

Please don't comment further unless you understand the terms of his contract, as long as he's on the bench he's barely making the league minimum.

He still got the guaranteed signing bonus

Sunk cost, it's irrelevant to any decisions being made now and in the future. The only way he makes more money at this time is if he sees the field, which is why he'll almost certainly demand a trade if DA's option is exercised this offseason.

My point is that they sunk decent coin into Quinn as well as 2 1st rd picks - plus he was brought in to be the "savior" - I'm sure there will be pressure to play him if things go bad the next few weeks. If they win a few games and DA looks like 2007 its a moot argument.

Pressure? Yes, but that's not at all what you were writing.

 

[mr blond]

If the Browns collapse this year to point of starting Quinn by week 6, factor in the possibility it may get Romeo fired. He's in year 4 with no playoff appearances and there is already a bit of sniping in the media between Crennel and Savage.

Link? I've been out of town and would like to see/hear this myself.

 

[amnesiac]

If the Browns collapse this year to point of starting Quinn by week 6, factor in the possibility it may get Romeo fired. He's in year 4 with no playoff appearances and there is already a bit of sniping in the media between Crennel and Savage.

Link? I've been out of town and would like to see/hear this myself.

people are reading into some of Savage's comments before the Pittsburgh game about how they have enough talent on the roster to win, and that it was "almost a must win game" or something along those lines.i think the article is in the main Browns thread.

 

[top dog]

maybe the other Cleveland guys will also chime in with their opinions, but right now i am not hearing any buzz that leads me to believe that Quinn will be starting any time soon.

if the Browns are out of playoff contention i could see them making a switch, but other than injury or a complete flame out, i believe it is Anderson's job.

honestly, i'm not sure where this question keeps coming from.

This question comes from watching Anderson make terrible decisions week after week. The guy has a GREAT arm, but makes some very dumb choices throughout a game. We were discussing it at work the other day and someone made the comparison to Jeff George. Great Arm, not so great brain.

It's been 2 weeks.

I'm not just talking about this year. He did great in the first half of 2007, but then regressed in the second half of the season and throughout all the season, he made some pretty bad decisions. He had a great fantasy season, and a pretty good real nfl season, but still left people wondering if he was the right guy for the job. There are those who believe that he had great talent around him last year (great line, good running game, very good receivers to bail him out) and these were the main reasons that DA did well.

 

[Tau837]

maybe the other Cleveland guys will also chime in with their opinions, but right now i am not hearing any buzz that leads me to believe that Quinn will be starting any time soon.

if the Browns are out of playoff contention i could see them making a switch, but other than injury or a complete flame out, i believe it is Anderson's job.

honestly, i'm not sure where this question keeps coming from.

This question comes from watching Anderson make terrible decisions week after week. The guy has a GREAT arm, but makes some very dumb choices throughout a game. We were discussing it at work the other day and someone made the comparison to Jeff George. Great Arm, not so great brain.

It's been 2 weeks.

I'm not just talking about this year. He did great in the first half of 2007, but then regressed in the second half of the season and throughout all the season, he made some pretty bad decisions. He had a great fantasy season, and a pretty good real nfl season, but still left people wondering if he was the right guy for the job. There are those who believe that he had great talent around him last year (great line, good running game, very good receivers to bail him out) and these were the main reasons that DA did well.

Anderson's last several games last season were not nearly as bad as is made out on these boards. You have to look at context, not just numbers. I posted extensively on this in Anderson's Spotlight thread. He'll be okay IMO.ETA: From a fantasy standpoint, using FBG scoring, Anderson was QB3 through week 8 (7 games) last season, and QB10 for the rest of the season (9 games). So he wasn't bad even when he "regressed."

 

[ChadforPresident]

I picked up Quinn because I agree with those who say with a slow start the Browns will feel pressure to make change. Quinn's jersey is outselling all other Browns jerseys in Cleveland. I don't see any reason not to make the switch (unless DA is lighting it up again) and I like the weapons there that he would have to throw to.

 

[ChadforPresident]

Just read this on Rotoworld.

FOXSports' Jay Glazer reports that the Chiefs called the Browns about the availability of Brady Quinn this week.

Cleveland turned them down and Quinn owners in dynasty leagues can only hope that the Browns don't reconsider. With Cleveland 0-2 and Derek Anderson struggling mightily over his past seven games, Quinn's chances of taking over at some point appear pretty good. Also interesting to note: Chiefs fans recently started a "GetBradyNow.com" website. We doubt a deal will happen.

 

[Chickenwang]

I'm glad another team sees his talent

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

LOL. He'll start at some point due to fan pressure and will perform miserably. Prolly around week 12.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

DA is three times the qb Brady Quinn will ever be.

 

[B Will]

DA is three times the qb Brady Quinn will ever be.

That takes a lot to say to a Bunch Of Brady Quinn Fans. lol. I own him. Dynasty only though. because if it happens. my #3 QB will be top.(as in Quinn). because if he gets good and starts. i might trade him for a lot. People are offering rediculas offers..... Slaton,Sweed or Steve Smith NYG, Vernon Davis.??

 

[Wildcat]

Another Brady Quinn commercial. I don't ever recall seeing a Derek Anderson commercial. Has their ever been a backup QB that is given so much publicity than Quinn? His agent is good.

 

[top dog]

maybe the other Cleveland guys will also chime in with their opinions, but right now i am not hearing any buzz that leads me to believe that Quinn will be starting any time soon.

if the Browns are out of playoff contention i could see them making a switch, but other than injury or a complete flame out, i believe it is Anderson's job.

honestly, i'm not sure where this question keeps coming from.

This question comes from watching Anderson make terrible decisions week after week. The guy has a GREAT arm, but makes some very dumb choices throughout a game. We were discussing it at work the other day and someone made the comparison to Jeff George. Great Arm, not so great brain.

It's been 2 weeks.

I'm not just talking about this year. He did great in the first half of 2007, but then regressed in the second half of the season and throughout all the season, he made some pretty bad decisions. He had a great fantasy season, and a pretty good real nfl season, but still left people wondering if he was the right guy for the job. There are those who believe that he had great talent around him last year (great line, good running game, very good receivers to bail him out) and these were the main reasons that DA did well.

Anderson's last several games last season were not nearly as bad as is made out on these boards. You have to look at context, not just numbers. I posted extensively on this in Anderson's Spotlight thread. He'll be okay IMO.ETA: From a fantasy standpoint, using FBG scoring, Anderson was QB3 through week 8 (7 games) last season, and QB10 for the rest of the season (9 games). So he wasn't bad even when he "regressed."

He scored well from a fantasy standpoint. But watching him week after week, it's easy to understand where the whispers come from.

 

[Tau837]

maybe the other Cleveland guys will also chime in with their opinions, but right now i am not hearing any buzz that leads me to believe that Quinn will be starting any time soon.

if the Browns are out of playoff contention i could see them making a switch, but other than injury or a complete flame out, i believe it is Anderson's job.

honestly, i'm not sure where this question keeps coming from.

This question comes from watching Anderson make terrible decisions week after week. The guy has a GREAT arm, but makes some very dumb choices throughout a game. We were discussing it at work the other day and someone made the comparison to Jeff George. Great Arm, not so great brain.

It's been 2 weeks.

I'm not just talking about this year. He did great in the first half of 2007, but then regressed in the second half of the season and throughout all the season, he made some pretty bad decisions. He had a great fantasy season, and a pretty good real nfl season, but still left people wondering if he was the right guy for the job. There are those who believe that he had great talent around him last year (great line, good running game, very good receivers to bail him out) and these were the main reasons that DA did well.

Anderson's last several games last season were not nearly as bad as is made out on these boards. You have to look at context, not just numbers. I posted extensively on this in Anderson's Spotlight thread. He'll be okay IMO.ETA: From a fantasy standpoint, using FBG scoring, Anderson was QB3 through week 8 (7 games) last season, and QB10 for the rest of the season (9 games). So he wasn't bad even when he "regressed."

He scored well from a fantasy standpoint. But watching him week after week, it's easy to understand where the whispers come from.

An old post on this:

Anderson was QB #3 through week 8 last season. And not all QBs had their bye by that time (Anderson did).

So the issue is whether or not his second half performance was (a) poor and (b) more representative of what to expect than his first 7 games. Let's look at his season after week 8 last year. Here are those 9 games:

9 SEA W 33-30 (OT) - 29/48 (60.4%) 364 (7.58 ypa) 0 TD 1 int - 18.3 fantasy points (FBG scoring)

10 @PIT L 31-28 - 16/35 (45.7%) 123 (3.51 ypa) 3 TD 0 int - 24.6

11 @BAL W 33-30 (OT) - 24/38 (63.2%) 274 (7.21 ypa) 0 TD 1 int - 17.9

12 HOU W 27-17 - 24/35 (68.6%) 253 (7.23 ypa) 2 TD 1 int - 22.6

13 @ARI L 27-21 - 21/41 (51.2%) 304 (7.42 ypa) 2 TD 2 int - 24.2

14 @NYJ W 24-18 - 16/29 (55.2%) 185 (6.38 ypa) 2 TD 1 int - 19.6

15 BUF W 8-0 - 9/24 (37.5%) 137 (5.71 ypa) 0 TD 0 int - 6.8

16 @CIN L 19-14 - 29/48 (60.4%) 251 (5.23 ypa) 2 TD 4 int - 17.2

17 SF W 20-7 - 11/20 (55.0%) 152 (7.60 ypa) 1 TD 1 int - 11.6

In week 9, Anderson led Cleveland to an OT win over Seattle. He led two TD drives in the 4th quarter, going 10/14 plus 1/2 on two point conversion throws. Anderson was 2/2 in OT and added a 10 yard run, as he led the drive for the winning FG. He threw for 364 yards but 0 TDs, with Lewis running in 4 TDs from the 1 or 2 yard line. Good game.

In week 10, Anderson threw 3 first half TDs, leading Cleveland to a 21-6 lead, but had a terrible second half. Good fantasy game, but not as good an NFL game.

In week 11, Anderson won at Baltimore, which was fighting for the playoffs. He led a short drive for the tying FG at the end of regulation, and led a short drive for the winning FG in OT, completing his last 6 passes in doing so. Good NFL game, but not a particularly good fantasy game.

In week 12, Anderson had 22.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring) in a win. Good game.

In week 13, Anderson had a bad game on the road, with 2 interceptions, including a pick 6, and a fumble. But he still scored 24.2 fantasy points. And consider this: on the last play of regulation, he completed a 37 yard pass to Winslow in the end zone, and Winslow was ruled out of bounds. It was controversial, with some thinking the forceout rule should have been applied. How different would Anderson's game look if he were 22/41 for 341 yards, 3 TDs, and 2 interceptions, and he had thrown the game winning TD?

In week 14, Anderson had 19.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring) in a win. Good game.

In week 15, Anderson had a poor game through no fault of his own. From the ESPN recap: "...in blizzard-like conditions better suited for the Iditarod sled-dog race... The snow began falling -- actually blowing sideways -- off Lake Erie about 1 1/2 hours before kickoff and by game time, Browns Stadium had been transformed into the world's largest snow globe... "It was like something on the Discovery Channel about the North Pole," said Bills rookie running back Marshawn Lynch, a Californian... With wind gusts up to 40 mph and visibility limited, throwing the ball was nearly impossible and both teams had to rely on their running games to move the ball. But even that was tough as players struggled to get traction on the slippery, snow-covered surface." Anderson had only 6.8 fantasy points. Again, he managed a win, as the Browns eliminated the Bills from playoff contention and kept themselves in the race.

In week 16, Anderson had 17.2 fantasy points, but had a bad game in a road loss, with 4 picks. However, note that weather was again a factor. From the ESPN recap: "With heavy winds affecting the passing and kicking games, Cincinnati was saved by its rushing game and Kenny Watson... Like Anderson, Carson Palmer also struggled with the gusting wind, going 11-of-21 for 115 yards with two interceptions and one touchdown. "I never really got a good sense of which way it was blowing," Palmer said. "It was really swirling. It was an ugly game, and a tough one to play in if you're trying to throw the football."" I wouldn't give him a free pass for 4 picks, but at least there was some mitigation. And he did have a shot at the end zone on the final play from 29 yards out that could have won the game.

In week 17, Anderson had only 11.6 fantasy points, but didn't have a bad game in a win. The Browns had the game in hand all day. Plus, Anderson had only 7 attempts in the first half, thanks to (1) two long returns by Cribbs, including a TD, and (2) Quinn played the final series of the half (and had 8 attempts in that series).

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I don't see many bad NFL or fantasy games there.

 

[Raider Nation]

...tic toc... tic toc...

 

[EBF]

This is the Derek Anderson I remember from his Oregon State days. Wildly inconsistent, inaccurate, and mistake prone.

 

[Interseptopus]

Anderson is awful. Glad to see that I got another thing right this preseason...

Bring on Quinn

 

[Fallerjw]

Anderson is awful. Glad to see that I got another thing right this preseason...

Bring on Quinn

 

[Chickenwang]

A fantasy star has just been born after that game.... his time in Cleveland is over

 

[Jerry Lawler]

I'm no Derek Anderson apologist, and happen to own Quinn in a dynasty league, but it's tough for me to believe that a guy who is an All-Pro as a first year starter will be benched for poor outings against Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore. I haven't seen any of today's game, but my sense is that Anderson would have to be pretty awful to be benched already. I'm guessing Quinn will get his chance somewhere by next year at this latest, but I think Anderson has earned at least another month as the starter in Cleveland.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I drafted Anderson in a start-up this year. I didn't want to draft him, but he dropped to the point where I thought he was "good value" given where he was ranked by the consensus. I really wish I had went with my gut on this one, because I'd like to have that pick back and I knew better at the time.

Fortunately, I've been starting Aaron Rodgers the past few weeks, and I took Quinn as insurance, so I'm not in bad shape, but I wish I had that pick to do over again.

 

[JGalligan]

I was just catching up on all the games since I didn't get to see the Browns/Ravens game and the first thing I thought of when I saw Derek Anderson's stats for today was... Over/Under in the Shark Pool. I knew it would be here already, no doubt in my mind.

Low and behold, I show up, and here it is.

Reason #5,480,001 why I love this place.

 

[top dog]

maybe the other Cleveland guys will also chime in with their opinions, but right now i am not hearing any buzz that leads me to believe that Quinn will be starting any time soon.

if the Browns are out of playoff contention i could see them making a switch, but other than injury or a complete flame out, i believe it is Anderson's job.

honestly, i'm not sure where this question keeps coming from.

This question comes from watching Anderson make terrible decisions week after week. The guy has a GREAT arm, but makes some very dumb choices throughout a game. We were discussing it at work the other day and someone made the comparison to Jeff George. Great Arm, not so great brain.

It's been 2 weeks.

I'm not just talking about this year. He did great in the first half of 2007, but then regressed in the second half of the season and throughout all the season, he made some pretty bad decisions. He had a great fantasy season, and a pretty good real nfl season, but still left people wondering if he was the right guy for the job. There are those who believe that he had great talent around him last year (great line, good running game, very good receivers to bail him out) and these were the main reasons that DA did well.

Anderson's last several games last season were not nearly as bad as is made out on these boards. You have to look at context, not just numbers. I posted extensively on this in Anderson's Spotlight thread. He'll be okay IMO.ETA: From a fantasy standpoint, using FBG scoring, Anderson was QB3 through week 8 (7 games) last season, and QB10 for the rest of the season (9 games). So he wasn't bad even when he "regressed."

He scored well from a fantasy standpoint. But watching him week after week, it's easy to understand where the whispers come from.

An old post on this:

Anderson was QB #3 through week 8 last season. And not all QBs had their bye by that time (Anderson did).

So the issue is whether or not his second half performance was (a) poor and (b) more representative of what to expect than his first 7 games. Let's look at his season after week 8 last year. Here are those 9 games:

9 SEA W 33-30 (OT) - 29/48 (60.4%) 364 (7.58 ypa) 0 TD 1 int - 18.3 fantasy points (FBG scoring)

10 @PIT L 31-28 - 16/35 (45.7%) 123 (3.51 ypa) 3 TD 0 int - 24.6

11 @BAL W 33-30 (OT) - 24/38 (63.2%) 274 (7.21 ypa) 0 TD 1 int - 17.9

12 HOU W 27-17 - 24/35 (68.6%) 253 (7.23 ypa) 2 TD 1 int - 22.6

13 @ARI L 27-21 - 21/41 (51.2%) 304 (7.42 ypa) 2 TD 2 int - 24.2

14 @NYJ W 24-18 - 16/29 (55.2%) 185 (6.38 ypa) 2 TD 1 int - 19.6

15 BUF W 8-0 - 9/24 (37.5%) 137 (5.71 ypa) 0 TD 0 int - 6.8

16 @CIN L 19-14 - 29/48 (60.4%) 251 (5.23 ypa) 2 TD 4 int - 17.2

17 SF W 20-7 - 11/20 (55.0%) 152 (7.60 ypa) 1 TD 1 int - 11.6

In week 9, Anderson led Cleveland to an OT win over Seattle. He led two TD drives in the 4th quarter, going 10/14 plus 1/2 on two point conversion throws. Anderson was 2/2 in OT and added a 10 yard run, as he led the drive for the winning FG. He threw for 364 yards but 0 TDs, with Lewis running in 4 TDs from the 1 or 2 yard line. Good game.

In week 10, Anderson threw 3 first half TDs, leading Cleveland to a 21-6 lead, but had a terrible second half. Good fantasy game, but not as good an NFL game.

In week 11, Anderson won at Baltimore, which was fighting for the playoffs. He led a short drive for the tying FG at the end of regulation, and led a short drive for the winning FG in OT, completing his last 6 passes in doing so. Good NFL game, but not a particularly good fantasy game.

In week 12, Anderson had 22.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring) in a win. Good game.

In week 13, Anderson had a bad game on the road, with 2 interceptions, including a pick 6, and a fumble. But he still scored 24.2 fantasy points. And consider this: on the last play of regulation, he completed a 37 yard pass to Winslow in the end zone, and Winslow was ruled out of bounds. It was controversial, with some thinking the forceout rule should have been applied. How different would Anderson's game look if he were 22/41 for 341 yards, 3 TDs, and 2 interceptions, and he had thrown the game winning TD?

In week 14, Anderson had 19.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring) in a win. Good game.

In week 15, Anderson had a poor game through no fault of his own. From the ESPN recap: "...in blizzard-like conditions better suited for the Iditarod sled-dog race... The snow began falling -- actually blowing sideways -- off Lake Erie about 1 1/2 hours before kickoff and by game time, Browns Stadium had been transformed into the world's largest snow globe... "It was like something on the Discovery Channel about the North Pole," said Bills rookie running back Marshawn Lynch, a Californian... With wind gusts up to 40 mph and visibility limited, throwing the ball was nearly impossible and both teams had to rely on their running games to move the ball. But even that was tough as players struggled to get traction on the slippery, snow-covered surface." Anderson had only 6.8 fantasy points. Again, he managed a win, as the Browns eliminated the Bills from playoff contention and kept themselves in the race.

In week 16, Anderson had 17.2 fantasy points, but had a bad game in a road loss, with 4 picks. However, note that weather was again a factor. From the ESPN recap: "With heavy winds affecting the passing and kicking games, Cincinnati was saved by its rushing game and Kenny Watson... Like Anderson, Carson Palmer also struggled with the gusting wind, going 11-of-21 for 115 yards with two interceptions and one touchdown. "I never really got a good sense of which way it was blowing," Palmer said. "It was really swirling. It was an ugly game, and a tough one to play in if you're trying to throw the football."" I wouldn't give him a free pass for 4 picks, but at least there was some mitigation. And he did have a shot at the end zone on the final play from 29 yards out that could have won the game.

In week 17, Anderson had only 11.6 fantasy points, but didn't have a bad game in a win. The Browns had the game in hand all day. Plus, Anderson had only 7 attempts in the first half, thanks to (1) two long returns by Cribbs, including a TD, and (2) Quinn played the final series of the half (and had 8 attempts in that series).

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I don't see many bad NFL or fantasy games there.

Did you watch today's game?

 

[Tau837]

maybe the other Cleveland guys will also chime in with their opinions, but right now i am not hearing any buzz that leads me to believe that Quinn will be starting any time soon.

if the Browns are out of playoff contention i could see them making a switch, but other than injury or a complete flame out, i believe it is Anderson's job.

honestly, i'm not sure where this question keeps coming from.

This question comes from watching Anderson make terrible decisions week after week. The guy has a GREAT arm, but makes some very dumb choices throughout a game. We were discussing it at work the other day and someone made the comparison to Jeff George. Great Arm, not so great brain.

It's been 2 weeks.

I'm not just talking about this year. He did great in the first half of 2007, but then regressed in the second half of the season and throughout all the season, he made some pretty bad decisions. He had a great fantasy season, and a pretty good real nfl season, but still left people wondering if he was the right guy for the job. There are those who believe that he had great talent around him last year (great line, good running game, very good receivers to bail him out) and these were the main reasons that DA did well.

Anderson's last several games last season were not nearly as bad as is made out on these boards. You have to look at context, not just numbers. I posted extensively on this in Anderson's Spotlight thread. He'll be okay IMO.ETA: From a fantasy standpoint, using FBG scoring, Anderson was QB3 through week 8 (7 games) last season, and QB10 for the rest of the season (9 games). So he wasn't bad even when he "regressed."

He scored well from a fantasy standpoint. But watching him week after week, it's easy to understand where the whispers come from.

An old post on this:

Anderson was QB #3 through week 8 last season. And not all QBs had their bye by that time (Anderson did).

So the issue is whether or not his second half performance was (a) poor and (b) more representative of what to expect than his first 7 games. Let's look at his season after week 8 last year. Here are those 9 games:

9 SEA W 33-30 (OT) - 29/48 (60.4%) 364 (7.58 ypa) 0 TD 1 int - 18.3 fantasy points (FBG scoring)

10 @PIT L 31-28 - 16/35 (45.7%) 123 (3.51 ypa) 3 TD 0 int - 24.6

11 @BAL W 33-30 (OT) - 24/38 (63.2%) 274 (7.21 ypa) 0 TD 1 int - 17.9

12 HOU W 27-17 - 24/35 (68.6%) 253 (7.23 ypa) 2 TD 1 int - 22.6

13 @ARI L 27-21 - 21/41 (51.2%) 304 (7.42 ypa) 2 TD 2 int - 24.2

14 @NYJ W 24-18 - 16/29 (55.2%) 185 (6.38 ypa) 2 TD 1 int - 19.6

15 BUF W 8-0 - 9/24 (37.5%) 137 (5.71 ypa) 0 TD 0 int - 6.8

16 @CIN L 19-14 - 29/48 (60.4%) 251 (5.23 ypa) 2 TD 4 int - 17.2

17 SF W 20-7 - 11/20 (55.0%) 152 (7.60 ypa) 1 TD 1 int - 11.6

In week 9, Anderson led Cleveland to an OT win over Seattle. He led two TD drives in the 4th quarter, going 10/14 plus 1/2 on two point conversion throws. Anderson was 2/2 in OT and added a 10 yard run, as he led the drive for the winning FG. He threw for 364 yards but 0 TDs, with Lewis running in 4 TDs from the 1 or 2 yard line. Good game.

In week 10, Anderson threw 3 first half TDs, leading Cleveland to a 21-6 lead, but had a terrible second half. Good fantasy game, but not as good an NFL game.

In week 11, Anderson won at Baltimore, which was fighting for the playoffs. He led a short drive for the tying FG at the end of regulation, and led a short drive for the winning FG in OT, completing his last 6 passes in doing so. Good NFL game, but not a particularly good fantasy game.

In week 12, Anderson had 22.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring) in a win. Good game.

In week 13, Anderson had a bad game on the road, with 2 interceptions, including a pick 6, and a fumble. But he still scored 24.2 fantasy points. And consider this: on the last play of regulation, he completed a 37 yard pass to Winslow in the end zone, and Winslow was ruled out of bounds. It was controversial, with some thinking the forceout rule should have been applied. How different would Anderson's game look if he were 22/41 for 341 yards, 3 TDs, and 2 interceptions, and he had thrown the game winning TD?

In week 14, Anderson had 19.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring) in a win. Good game.

In week 15, Anderson had a poor game through no fault of his own. From the ESPN recap: "...in blizzard-like conditions better suited for the Iditarod sled-dog race... The snow began falling -- actually blowing sideways -- off Lake Erie about 1 1/2 hours before kickoff and by game time, Browns Stadium had been transformed into the world's largest snow globe... "It was like something on the Discovery Channel about the North Pole," said Bills rookie running back Marshawn Lynch, a Californian... With wind gusts up to 40 mph and visibility limited, throwing the ball was nearly impossible and both teams had to rely on their running games to move the ball. But even that was tough as players struggled to get traction on the slippery, snow-covered surface." Anderson had only 6.8 fantasy points. Again, he managed a win, as the Browns eliminated the Bills from playoff contention and kept themselves in the race.

In week 16, Anderson had 17.2 fantasy points, but had a bad game in a road loss, with 4 picks. However, note that weather was again a factor. From the ESPN recap: "With heavy winds affecting the passing and kicking games, Cincinnati was saved by its rushing game and Kenny Watson... Like Anderson, Carson Palmer also struggled with the gusting wind, going 11-of-21 for 115 yards with two interceptions and one touchdown. "I never really got a good sense of which way it was blowing," Palmer said. "It was really swirling. It was an ugly game, and a tough one to play in if you're trying to throw the football."" I wouldn't give him a free pass for 4 picks, but at least there was some mitigation. And he did have a shot at the end zone on the final play from 29 yards out that could have won the game.

In week 17, Anderson had only 11.6 fantasy points, but didn't have a bad game in a win. The Browns had the game in hand all day. Plus, Anderson had only 7 attempts in the first half, thanks to (1) two long returns by Cribbs, including a TD, and (2) Quinn played the final series of the half (and had 8 attempts in that series).

...

I don't see many bad NFL or fantasy games there.

Did you watch today's game?

Well, first of all, my last post was about his play last year, and what he did today doesn't change my view of his play last year.That said, I did not see the game, but clearly Anderson had a bad game today. I have to admit, I'm losing confidence in his ability to stay in the lineup. I was expecting a win today.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Anderson was lousy today. I would expect him to start next week though, knowing how much Crennel likes him. He did have a lot of pressure on him today, but NFL quarterbacks are supposed to make plays when they are pressured. He threw plenty of bad, bad passes, and not many good ones.

edit: Savage could make the call to start Quinn. I'm sure they will discuss it.

 

[Raider Nation]

Sorry if this is old news. I hadn't seen it.

The Kansas City Chiefs called the Cleveland Browns last week and inquired as to whether the Browns would consider trading their backup quarterback, Brady Quinn. The Browns told the Chiefs that Quinn, whom they chose in the first round of last year's draft, isn't going anywhere.

The news, first reported by Jay Glazer on Fox, calls into question whether the Chiefs have any faith in Brodie Croyle as their quarterback of the future, and whether the Browns have any faith in Derek Anderson as their quarterback of the future.

The Browns seem to believe that Quinn will be their starter some day relatively soon, even though Anderson is just 25 years old and had a Pro Bowl season in 2007. As for the Chiefs, they might already be thinking about the 2009 draft, which doesn't look like it's going to be a good one for quarterbacks, and wondering if they ought to make a move now that will prevent them from having to reach for a quarterback in April.

LINK

 

[kaa]

I drafted Anderson in a start-up this year. I didn't want to draft him, but he dropped to the point where I thought he was "good value" given where he was ranked by the consensus. I really wish I had went with my gut on this one, because I'd like to have that pick back and I knew better at the time. Fortunately, I've been starting Aaron Rodgers the past few weeks, and I took Quinn as insurance, so I'm not in bad shape, but I wish I had that pick to do over again.

There's no guarantee that Brady Quinn will be any better. I'd be thinking about finding a decent backup QB for your fantasy team.

 

[turfman]

I originally chose the before the bye week option. But I think they give him one more chance against a crappy Cincy team. If he struggles in the first half though, Quinn will be in for the 3rd quarter.

What do you think the sports headlines will be in the Cleveland paper tomorrow?

 

[kaa]

From the extent that I saw Brady Quinn in college, he struggled against top teams but I think a lot of that was an inconsistent OL that brought undue pressure on him. I saw him get harrassed and nearly sacked, then throw a deep ball that was off-target and people would complain he was inaccurate with the deep ball. He's going to get better protection behind the Browns OL in the NFL than the Irish OL in college. I suspect he suffers from some mild "shell-shock" from playing behind that Irish OL, but if given time behind the Browns OL he'd come out of his shell. I suspect he can really blossom if he got the shot.

But like I said to IvanK, I'd still upgrade at backup QB.

 

[Raider Nation]

What do you think the sports headlines will be in the Cleveland paper tomorrow?

"Despair everywhere..... now on to the Browns"

 

[=Smackdown=]

What do you think the sports headlines will be in the Cleveland paper tomorrow?

"Despair everywhere..... now on to the Browns"

 

[Ben Stiller]

DA's stats the past 12 games:

222/411

2448 yards

6 YPA

14 TD

16 INT

67.0 QB Rating.

FWIW...Tim Couch never finished a season with a QB rating below 73.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

QB quandary: What's wrong with Anderson?

by Terry Pluto

Sunday September 21, 2008, 8:36 PM

After another hard rush from the Ravens defense that knocked him to the turf, Derek Anderson was left with his thoughts during another Browns loss.BALTIMORE -- Derek Anderson stood on the Browns' goal line, hands on hips, staring, shaking his head, looking like a man who just watched someone steal his car right out of his garage -- because he left the keys in the ignition and the motor running.

That's what happened near the end of the Browns' 28-10 loss to Baltimore, when Anderson threw his third interception of the afternoon -- right into the hands of Samari Rolle.

It was a lousy pass, like too many in this game.

And too many this season.

Anderson has been alternating between being fixated on a single receiver and throwing in that direction regardless of the coverage -- or sometimes hopping away from a pass rush like a man in bare feet trying to escape a pack of fire ants.

Not everything wrong with the Browns is the fault of Anderson, but there are enough problems with the quarterback that should raise some serious questions at the team's practice facility this week.

Anderson missed three weeks of training camp (and three preseason games) with a concussion. He also had a significant concussion in college. He is a totally different quarterback than a year ago, when Anderson helped transform the Browns into a winner by doing two things:

1. Throwing long to stretch the defense. That made it easier for the Browns to run the ball because linebackers and safeties had to play deeper to defend against long passes to Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow.

2. He got rid of the ball quickly, being sacked only 14 times -- the fewest of any NFL quarterback.

What do we have after three games? Three losses and only two touchdowns from the Browns' offense.

What should we think of Anderson with five interceptions and eight sacks already? Or that the 6-foot-6 right-hander who seldom has trouble throwing passes over any rush had at least three passes whacked by the Baltimore defense.

His troubles should not be dismissed by the injuries to the offensive line and not having a full compliment of receivers. Or even that Edwards, his favorite Pro Bowl receiver, remains stuck in a funk.

That interception by Baltimore's Ed Reed early in the third quarter was a poor throw to Syndric Steptoe; Reed snaring it and romping into the end zone to put Baltimore comfortably in front, 21-10. The pass was much like the one Anderson threw (again to Steptoe), at the end of the first half of what became a 10-6 loss to Pittsburgh eight days ago.

No excuse for either pass. A quarterback in his second full season as a starter should know better.

Anderson's poise is a major concern. Earlier in the week, he admitted to being "frustrated" by missing all the practice time and not having all his offensive weapons available to attack some of the NFL's grittiest defenses. Seldom will he ever have a season like 2007 where the line was mostly strong and healthy, where his main receivers didn't miss a game and where the league was still learning what the Browns' new quarterbacks and offensive coordinator can do.

Now, opponents had an entire off-season to study Rob Chudzinski's formations and Anderson's strengths and weaknesses. In some ways, it seems Anderson has not psychologically recovered from that four-interception debacle at Cincinnati in Game 15 of last season.

Does this mean it's time to turn the team over to Brady Quinn? Coach Romeo Crennel said he plans to study "every position," and that includes the quarterback.

He should seriously consider Quinn for next week's game at Cincinnati, especially if there is a sense in the dressing room that Anderson is having a crisis of confidence -- or that there are some physical problems that have not been made public.

As the coach said, the season is on the verge of "getting away." Perhaps a change of quarterbacks can keep the team away from being 0-4 at bye week.

 

[Raider Nation]

Nice, I like the last paragraph of that article.

If he's eventually going to turn to Quinn anyway, "Cincinnati week" would be a good time to boost Brady's confidence.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm no Derek Anderson apologist, and happen to own Quinn in a dynasty league, but it's tough for me to believe that a guy who is an All-Pro as a first year starter will be benched for poor outings against Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore.

It's more than just the opponents. He is making terrible decisions with the ball.

 

[R Dizzle]

Playing Quinn couldn't be any worse than it is now.

 

[Jimmy James]

I don't think Anderson has to pull in a win against Cincy, but he'd better look like he did the first part of last year against Cincy or else the pressure will be monumental to make a change and start Quinn in week 6. That's how I see it.

I think it's more likely that he'll do well against Cincy, meaning we probably won't see Quinn until around week 11.

 

[joffer]

Playing Quinn couldn't be any worse than it is now.

oh god yes it could. Baltimore could be the best D in the league right now. they would have had Quinn for lunch.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I think quinn will be in by second half Sunday unless Anderson plays good in first half. I CAN;T FAULT Anderson for all the problems.

His entire support crew is banged up or out. eDWARDS DROPS THE FEW PASSES THAT DO GET TO HIM! They will be forced to make the adjustment during bye week if Anderson does not play well Sunday. In fact if he does not play well first half Sunday they will probably evaluate Quinn second half to leave them two weeks to prepare the switch.

They have no choice! We are demanding it!

 

[sterjs]

Sunk cost, it's irrelevant to any decisions being made now and in the future. The only way he makes more money at this time is if he sees the field, which is why he'll almost certainly demand a trade if DA's option is exercised this offseason.

This notion presumes rationality. GMs are often irrationally attached to players they spent high draft picks on because of the sunk costs.It should be irrelevant != It is irrelevant

 

[MAC_32]

DA has been awful, but there is nothing I've seen from the rest of the offense that leads me to believe Quinn will be much better. There's not much DA can do when his WR's can't get open and his oline can't block. We really miss Jurevicius and the oline injuries are definitely taking its toll.

That said, local media is hinting that Savage is pressuring Romeo to make a move; another performance like that against Cincy and we may see Quinn starting against the Giants Monday night after the bye. I really hope that doesn't happen because against that pass rush Quinn is almost certainly going to look just as bad as DA.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Former Cleveland Browns running back Jim Brown hints change needed at quarterback

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Hall of Famer Jim Brown made his feelings about the quarterback situation known on an appearance Monday night on "Pro Football Central," an Internet radio show.

Brown, who holds the title of executive adviser with the Browns, told the interviewer that he had been in organization meetings all day and "we all seem to be in one accord. But it's up to the coach to make the final decision on his lineup this week. But if he makes the right decision on his lineup this week, I think we can be out of this terrible kind of depression we're in."

Brown was asked if he was talking about Brady Quinn.

He replied: "We don't have a superstar quarterback. We have two that have tremendous potential. One has played a lot more than the other has, successfully, and also had some failure. If we try Brady this week, it's a change of pace. Why not have a change of pace that might bring you a spark? And if he doesn't cut it, we can bring the other guy back, and we can bring Brady back.

"We haven't decided we have a major superstar and if he sits down a quarter we will have broken his heart. This is professional football. These guys are getting paid and sometimes you need a spark, and a different personality can do it."

- Tony Grossi

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