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He's going to end up on the Raiders at some point, isn't he?
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Brandon Marshall should get paid! (1 Viewer)
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How long is long enough that the guys has to stay out of trouble? He's been out of trouble for over a year, now.On-field production isn't the only reason guys get big contracts. From an owner's perspective, he would be a very risky investment. I feel the same way about him in my dynasty leagues, wouldn't touch him.
This is exactly the problem I was alluding to - if the Broncos spend a ton of money upfront on this guy, they are crazy. Regarding my Nuke LaLouche example - OK, I'll compare Marshall to another notorious Ex-Bronco, to keep the focus on football - Travis Henry. Lots of talent, but tons of off-field issues (including legal entanglements and a wide-ranging array of females who were let down by Henry).Why invest a bunch of money in Marshall when he looks like an 8-game or year suspension waiting to happen?
doubletrouble
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
His definition of "staying out of trouble" obviously includes more domestic battery with his NEW girlfriend (charges dropped), demanding a trade, and holding out.
Apparently he lined up as a gunner in practice yesterday and practiced with the 2nd team. I'm really starting to like the way McDaniels has made it known that no player is above the team.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
SSOG said:His definition of "staying out of trouble" obviously includes more domestic battery with his NEW girlfriend (charges dropped), demanding a trade, and holding out.Fear & Loathing said:pnewtonjr said:
Well said. I got just as much of a kick out of the indignation that Marshall has spent a 12 months free of handcuffs and hasn't been given the benefit of the doubt.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Nothing personal, but I don't think you'd make a very good agent.Donnybrook said:
moleculo
Footballguy
it might help Marshall's cause if he would learn the playbook.
I understand what it's like to be disgruntled - if you feel like you aren't appreciated by your organization, and you aren't getting the recognition you feel like you've earned. It eats you up inside, and makes you bitter. it makes it tough to motivate yourself to put forth extra effort if you assume your effort won't be appreciated. So, you sulk and underperform. Little injuries become big injuries, and you start doubting your own abilities.
something's gotta give.
He's also playing gunner w/ special teams right now...not where one would expect to find a pro-bowl WR.
unsure if these two are related, but that would be my assumption.IMO, Marshall's sulking is effecting his ability to participate. He's entered a vicious cycle, and it will be tough to battle his way out.
I understand what it's like to be disgruntled - if you feel like you aren't appreciated by your organization, and you aren't getting the recognition you feel like you've earned. It eats you up inside, and makes you bitter. it makes it tough to motivate yourself to put forth extra effort if you assume your effort won't be appreciated. So, you sulk and underperform. Little injuries become big injuries, and you start doubting your own abilities.
something's gotta give.
Todem
Footballguy
The Broncos.......my goodness.
They will before it is said and done have run out of town Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall.
Yeah ok...listen folks this is not high school or college football. This is the NFL. It is a business and it is a business that has 2 primary goals.
1) Win
2) Make money
If you take care of the first goal, the second goal is much easier. If your a Bronco fan you should be outraged...just flat out outraged at what has transpired this off-season. Forget the fact the Brandon is a punk and was getting into too much trouble off the field. I agree he has to grow up, but the fact of the matter is he is a stud WR, a freakish talent and don't fool yourselves on that fact. Also his teammates want him on the field....they have a much better chance to win with him than without him. I agree he does not have as much leverage based on his off the field issues but his performance on the field has been nothing short of ELITE.
Pay him or trade him.
If they trade him....another black eye and without question the worst front office job in the history of the NFL bar none.
On another note all this talk is making Marshall slide and slide down the draft board. A gamble? Yep. Worth taking?
No doubt.
They will before it is said and done have run out of town Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall.
Yeah ok...listen folks this is not high school or college football. This is the NFL. It is a business and it is a business that has 2 primary goals.
1) Win
2) Make money
If you take care of the first goal, the second goal is much easier. If your a Bronco fan you should be outraged...just flat out outraged at what has transpired this off-season. Forget the fact the Brandon is a punk and was getting into too much trouble off the field. I agree he has to grow up, but the fact of the matter is he is a stud WR, a freakish talent and don't fool yourselves on that fact. Also his teammates want him on the field....they have a much better chance to win with him than without him. I agree he does not have as much leverage based on his off the field issues but his performance on the field has been nothing short of ELITE.
Pay him or trade him.
If they trade him....another black eye and without question the worst front office job in the history of the NFL bar none.
On another note all this talk is making Marshall slide and slide down the draft board. A gamble? Yep. Worth taking?
No doubt.
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greggorymac
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Todem
Footballguy
You know...I was going to put him in too.....wow. We are talking
in Bronco land.Think about this:They could have had
QB Cutler
RB Moreno
WR Marshall
WR Royal
When it's all said and done it is looking like
QB - Orton
RB - Moreno
WR - Royal
FAIL!!!!
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Banger
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how great would it be if McDaniels got Marshall injured making his little example of him? It would be so fitting with all the moves he's made so far.Buffaloes said:
Todem
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Yeah...thats going to happen. Puleeze. I love how these new coaches come in and try to make a statement to the star WR's...Bowe in KC now Marshall here. Give me a break.Week 1 they are both on the field and playing. The only question is will Marshall be moved before the end of the week.Doubtful.....but I put nothing past this clown of a coach they got there in Mile High.Riighht...so McDaniels won't start Marshall week 1.Buffaloes said:
Buffaloes
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Should Denver just hold him out of practice to ensure he doesn't get hurt? According to reports, Marshall said pay or trade me. Denver called his bluff, he showed up to practice the next day and now he's practicing just like any other member of the team. Eddie Royal practiced as a KR earlier in the year. I didn't see too many people whining about him possibly being injured from the extra work.how great would it be if McDaniels got Marshall injured making his little example of him? It would be so fitting with all the moves he's made so far.Buffaloes said:
Where in my post did I so much as insinuate that?Todd Haley had Dwayne Bowe running with the 2s as well. I doubt either one is not in the starting lineup week 1 assuming they both have the playbook down and are not injured.
Banger
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Of course not but what is putting him at gunner going to accomplish besides making his point? There's a difference between KR and gunner...Royal could actually help the team and their terrible ST's as a KR, any insane maniac with speed can play gunner.Should Denver just hold him out of practice to ensure he doesn't get hurt? According to reports, Marshall said pay or trade me. Denver called his bluff, he showed up to practice the next day and now he's practicing just like any other member of the team. Eddie Royal practiced as a KR earlier in the year. I didn't see too many people whining about him possibly being injured from the extra work.how great would it be if McDaniels got Marshall injured making his little example of him? It would be so fitting with all the moves he's made so far.Buffaloes said:Apparently he lined up as a gunner in practice yesterday and practiced with the 2nd team. I'm really starting to like the way McDaniels has made it known that no player is above the team.
Kool-Aid Larry
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That's easily an 8 win team, but none of us will ever get a chance to tell our grandchildren about it now.To think what could have been....
Buffaloes
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Of course not but what is putting him at gunner going to accomplish besides making his point?Should Denver just hold him out of practice to ensure he doesn't get hurt? According to reports, Marshall said pay or trade me. Denver called his bluff, he showed up to practice the next day and now he's practicing just like any other member of the team. Eddie Royal practiced as a KR earlier in the year. I didn't see too many people whining about him possibly being injured from the extra work.how great would it be if McDaniels got Marshall injured making his little example of him? It would be so fitting with all the moves he's made so far.Buffaloes said:Apparently he lined up as a gunner in practice yesterday and practiced with the 2nd team. I'm really starting to like the way McDaniels has made it known that no player is above the team.
There's a difference between KR and gunner...Royal could actually help the team and their terrible ST's as a KR, any insane maniac with speed can play gunner.
Maybe the reps served as conditioning.More likely though, it was just a way to show Marshall that he is just another cog on the team.
moleculo
Footballguy
they could have just barely missed the playoffs....:sigh:
DawnBTVS
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So... you're saying the gunner, the guy who's usually first to down a punt inside the 10 or make the tackle on the returner, wouldn't help "their terrible ST's"? Also you make it sound like just any Joe Blow can be a great gunner. There's a reason guys like James Thrash and Kelley Washington keep landing on new teams and it sure isn't because they put up great stats as a 4th or 5th wide receiver.Also, if Marshall needs to be put at gunner for McDaniels to get any point across without actually saying it, how much does that say about Marshall? Most camp reports I've read have mentioned Marshall either clowning around or putting in half effort while everybody else is going full tilt. Actions speak louder than words and until Marshall starts busting himself, McDaniels is going to continue to "make his point" and it's pathetic that Marshall won't put in any effort just because he doesn't like the team/situation. If he lands on a new team and something similar arises, what happens then? Just trade him away because he's whining?
Todem
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Enjoy that 3 win season Denver fans.You don't see the point.....it is much easier to build a winner around that core.....now your starting all over on offense and your defense was already a train wreck. And if you think Royal is a legit #1.....man your going to be suprised what happens if Marshall is not on the other side taking up all that attention.You were a much better team with Cutler......your in denial.
Banger
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You have specialty players play those roles due to the propensity to be injured not pro bowl wr's. I'll bet you $5 mill that Marshall will not take one snap on ST's this year so why play him there? How great will his point look if he tore an ACL on one of his gunning runs?McDaniels also made his point with trading the whiney Cutler. We'll see how that genius move turns out. Look I'm no Marshall apologist, the guy's an idiot but I happen to think McD is as an idiot as well but for different reasons.
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Maven
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You praised McDaniels for sticking it to Marshall. Reality is ... if you KNOW Marsahll will be starting Week 1...you're only hurting your team by throwing him on scout team and using him as gunner on special teams. What a joke...Should Denver just hold him out of practice to ensure he doesn't get hurt? According to reports, Marshall said pay or trade me. Denver called his bluff, he showed up to practice the next day and now he's practicing just like any other member of the team. Eddie Royal practiced as a KR earlier in the year. I didn't see too many people whining about him possibly being injured from the extra work.how great would it be if McDaniels got Marshall injured making his little example of him? It would be so fitting with all the moves he's made so far.Buffaloes said:Where in my post did I so much as insinuate that?Todd Haley had Dwayne Bowe running with the 2s as well. I doubt either one is not in the starting lineup week 1 assuming they both have the playbook down and are not injured.Riighht...so McDaniels won't start Marshall week 1.Buffaloes said:
Buffaloes
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The guy has admitted to not even being close to knowing the playbook. With this being the case, he obviously is not going to get many reps with the 1st team. That being said, what do you think would be best for the team (not your fantasy football team, the Broncos)? You have a guy who has missed most of the practices due to an "injury" and trial. He's healthy now but has admitted to not even being close to knowing the playbook. Do you sit him until he knows the playbook? Or do you use him in a way that can help the team (ie, scout team offense)? Having him play gunner on scout special teams shows the team that no one player is above the team. Maybe if Marshall had taken the previous days' practices seriously and knew the playbook, he would not be in this position. Maybe if Marshall had kept himself out of trouble off the field, he might have been paid by now. As far as your last statement, I agree.
Banger
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Jets looking to make trade for wide receiver with Brandon Marshall, Dwanye Bowe on radar
BY Rich Cimini/DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Wednesday, August 19th 2009, 4:00 AM
CORTLAND, N.Y. - The Jets are known for making deals in August - remember some guy named Favre? - and they're thinking trade once again.
They're exploring the wide-receiver market and have held preliminary discussions with a few teams, according to NFL sources. Although he's not officially on the trading block, the biggest name on the Jets' radar is the Broncos' Brandon Marshall, who has issued a pay me-or-trade me demand.
The Broncos reportedly have no interest in trading Marshall, 25, one of the top young receivers in the league, but they also said the same thing about quarterback Jay Cutler - and now he's playing for the Bears.
Because of off-the-field issues, a surgically repaired hip and enormous contract demands (he's entering the final year), Marshall would be a risk for any team. But there's no denying his talent: 206 catches and 2,590 yards over the last two seasons. At 6-4, he'd be a much-needed target in the red zone for the Jets. While they consider Marshall a long shot, they're not about to summarily dismiss it.
The Jets have one of the most inexperienced receiving corps in the league, the reliable Jerricho Cotchery and four other veterans with a combined total of 110 catches. The organization doesn't believe the picture is as bleak as some are painting it, but it wouldn't mind adding a proven playmaker.
If the Jets do add a veteran, it probably won't be a free agent such as Marvin Harrison.
Another name to watch is the Chiefs' Dwayne Bowe, a former first-round pick. He caught 86 balls for 1,022yards on an awful team last season, but he's had a difficult transition under new coach Todd Haley. He may have played his way out of the doghouse with five catches in the preseason opener, but the Chiefs are rebuilding and will move a player if he doesn't fit their long-term plans.
The Giants are another team that bears watching. They have a glut of receivers, and the Jets are wondering if one, perhaps Sinorice Moss, will become available.
The Jets are looking for a consistent threat other than Cotchery. Chansi Stuckey is slated to start opposite Cotchery, with Brad Smith the No. 3 wideout, but the flavor of the week is David Clowney. He caught three passes for 102yards and a touchdown in the opener.
"He stepped up big-time in that game," Rex Ryan said yesterday. "I think that was huge. We all know he can do it. He's got that blazing speed. It wasn't necessarily a surprise. You guys saw it last year (in the preseason) ...but it was good for me to see with my own eyes."
The receivers have been dealing with the speculation since the draft, when the Jets tried to trade up for Percy Harvin. Then came the rumors about Plaxico Burress, now an afterthought because he's reportedly facing a long suspension. Cotchery doesn't believe they need another veteran. "I'm leading these troops right now," he said. "I think we have the guys to get it done. We have some talented guys."
The players and coaches are buzzing about speedster Aundrae Allison, whom the Jets acquired Aug. 5 on waivers from the Vikings.
"I always call him '88 and out the gate.' He can fly," Ryan said. "I'm just waiting for them to throw him a ball. I'm like, 'You know, he's open. Eighty-eight is open again.' I'm just waiting for our quarterbacks to realize that."
Ryan can talk all he wants, but GM Mike Tannenbaum has a reputation for making deals in the preseason. In recent years, the Jets have acquired Pete Kendall, Ty Law, Kevan Barlow and, of course, Brett Favre.
Chances are, Tannenbaum will strike again.
BY Rich Cimini/DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Wednesday, August 19th 2009, 4:00 AM
CORTLAND, N.Y. - The Jets are known for making deals in August - remember some guy named Favre? - and they're thinking trade once again.
They're exploring the wide-receiver market and have held preliminary discussions with a few teams, according to NFL sources. Although he's not officially on the trading block, the biggest name on the Jets' radar is the Broncos' Brandon Marshall, who has issued a pay me-or-trade me demand.
The Broncos reportedly have no interest in trading Marshall, 25, one of the top young receivers in the league, but they also said the same thing about quarterback Jay Cutler - and now he's playing for the Bears.
Because of off-the-field issues, a surgically repaired hip and enormous contract demands (he's entering the final year), Marshall would be a risk for any team. But there's no denying his talent: 206 catches and 2,590 yards over the last two seasons. At 6-4, he'd be a much-needed target in the red zone for the Jets. While they consider Marshall a long shot, they're not about to summarily dismiss it.
The Jets have one of the most inexperienced receiving corps in the league, the reliable Jerricho Cotchery and four other veterans with a combined total of 110 catches. The organization doesn't believe the picture is as bleak as some are painting it, but it wouldn't mind adding a proven playmaker.
If the Jets do add a veteran, it probably won't be a free agent such as Marvin Harrison.
Another name to watch is the Chiefs' Dwayne Bowe, a former first-round pick. He caught 86 balls for 1,022yards on an awful team last season, but he's had a difficult transition under new coach Todd Haley. He may have played his way out of the doghouse with five catches in the preseason opener, but the Chiefs are rebuilding and will move a player if he doesn't fit their long-term plans.
The Giants are another team that bears watching. They have a glut of receivers, and the Jets are wondering if one, perhaps Sinorice Moss, will become available.
The Jets are looking for a consistent threat other than Cotchery. Chansi Stuckey is slated to start opposite Cotchery, with Brad Smith the No. 3 wideout, but the flavor of the week is David Clowney. He caught three passes for 102yards and a touchdown in the opener.
"He stepped up big-time in that game," Rex Ryan said yesterday. "I think that was huge. We all know he can do it. He's got that blazing speed. It wasn't necessarily a surprise. You guys saw it last year (in the preseason) ...but it was good for me to see with my own eyes."
The receivers have been dealing with the speculation since the draft, when the Jets tried to trade up for Percy Harvin. Then came the rumors about Plaxico Burress, now an afterthought because he's reportedly facing a long suspension. Cotchery doesn't believe they need another veteran. "I'm leading these troops right now," he said. "I think we have the guys to get it done. We have some talented guys."
The players and coaches are buzzing about speedster Aundrae Allison, whom the Jets acquired Aug. 5 on waivers from the Vikings.
"I always call him '88 and out the gate.' He can fly," Ryan said. "I'm just waiting for them to throw him a ball. I'm like, 'You know, he's open. Eighty-eight is open again.' I'm just waiting for our quarterbacks to realize that."
Ryan can talk all he wants, but GM Mike Tannenbaum has a reputation for making deals in the preseason. In recent years, the Jets have acquired Pete Kendall, Ty Law, Kevan Barlow and, of course, Brett Favre.
Chances are, Tannenbaum will strike again.
They could be shipping Seattle the #16 pick instead of the #6.
Todem
Footballguy
The bolded statement may be the most ludicrous statement I have ever read. Dwayne Bowe is a 3rd year on the rise to super stardom WR. If they are rebuilding he is one of the cogs whom to rebuild around...unless of course you want your gazilion dollar investment in Matt Cassel to be throwing to the likes of Mark Bradley and an ancient Amani Toomer.
This is all just flat out pre-season BS....and I love it...it drops these guys down the draft board and into value hunters laps like myself.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Charges dropped.Demanding a trade and holding out happens every year and it means nothing. The guy is underpaid, plain and simple.SSOG said:His definition of "staying out of trouble" obviously includes more domestic battery with his NEW girlfriend (charges dropped), demanding a trade, and holding out.Fear & Loathing said:pnewtonjr said:
I am sorry but even with those with the schedule and the coaching changes that would not of been a 8 win season. Denver's schedule is a beast and even with Cutler it would of been a struggle this year.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I think I'll send him a check for $2, with a note saying it's to help make up the difference between his and Roddy's salary, just to see if he cashes it. Hey, the autograph (endorsement) on the back ought to be worth two bucks.
A player with a long and sordid history of domestic charges dumps his girlfriend, blames all his past transgressions on a toxic relationship, gets into a new "healthy" relationship and makes a pledge to turn his life around and change completely. Within 6 months, he's arrested for more domestic charges with his new girlfriend. I don't care if the charges were dropped, that is an INCREDIBLY troubling event for a guy with his kind of history. He can't blame his old girlfriend and their "toxic relationship" anymore- the blame is squarely on him now.Marshall no longer gets the benefit of the doubt. If someone like Brian Dawkins got brought in for a domestic dispute and charges were dropped and he said it was a misunderstanding, then I'd give him the benefit of the doubt... but Marshall has a long history of these types of charges. Anyone who had any hope that Marshall's domestic problems really were a result of his previous girlfriend has now had those hopes dashed, which is a very relevant concern given Goodell's hardline stance on public image.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Maybe he slipped on a McDonald's bag and his fist hit her in the face as he fell.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
Courtesy bump for the Brandon Marshall posse who are still waiting for their gravy train to git paid.
Address requests for refunds to:Brandon Marshall Please Pay Me Backc/o Diamonds Gentlemens Club655 BroadwayDenver, CO 80112
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I guess the Favre-ian streak had to end eventually.How long is long enough that the guys has to stay out of trouble? He's been out of trouble for over a year, now.On-field production isn't the only reason guys get big contracts. From an owner's perspective, he would be a very risky investment. I feel the same way about him in my dynasty leagues, wouldn't touch him.
Maven
Footballguy
SMH... I'm glad the Broncos neglected to re-up Marshall when they had the chance. Now he can stick it to them and walk away from this bum organization and cash in.
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Buffaloes
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Doesn't this depend on the CBA? And it also assumes that he's not franchised or resigned.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Can't imagine the Broncos not franchising Marshall.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Agreed. He's THE playmaker on the offense right now.
Maven
Footballguy
The economical nature of his compensation is about to change. Depending on whether team owners and the players union can negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement in the next 2 1/2 months, Marshall can strike it big either through offer sheets that figure to arrive by way of restricted free agency or really big through the open bidding process of unrestricted free agency that will begin in March.
The Broncos could pre-empt such bargaining leverage by opening talks on a long-term contract with Marshall. But the receiver has his doubts.
"I think if they wanted to get something done, it would have been done already," Marshall said. "But our ultimate goal is to win games and we have three of them left. Hopefully we can get that done. Regarding a contract, I think it's best if I just play it out."
Marshall well knows Fitzgerald has been widely proclaimed as the NFL's best receiver this year not because of any stats he compiled during the regular season, but his record-setting performance during the 2008 postseason.
Because Marshall is just one of five key Denver players who are in the final weeks of expiring contracts — the others are quarterback Kyle Orton, pass-rushing linebacker Elvis Dumervil, right guard Chris Kuper and tight end Tony Scheffler — the team will have a difficult time figuring out how to allocate the millions of dollars needed to bring them all back.
Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/...g#ixzz0b7DwgITT
The Broncos could pre-empt such bargaining leverage by opening talks on a long-term contract with Marshall. But the receiver has his doubts.
"I think if they wanted to get something done, it would have been done already," Marshall said. "But our ultimate goal is to win games and we have three of them left. Hopefully we can get that done. Regarding a contract, I think it's best if I just play it out."
Marshall well knows Fitzgerald has been widely proclaimed as the NFL's best receiver this year not because of any stats he compiled during the regular season, but his record-setting performance during the 2008 postseason.
Because Marshall is just one of five key Denver players who are in the final weeks of expiring contracts — the others are quarterback Kyle Orton, pass-rushing linebacker Elvis Dumervil, right guard Chris Kuper and tight end Tony Scheffler — the team will have a difficult time figuring out how to allocate the millions of dollars needed to bring them all back.
Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/...g#ixzz0b7DwgITT
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King of the Jungle
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Broncos | Marshall will not play during Week 17 Fri Jan 1, 02:13 PM
ESPN.com reports the Denver Broncos are going to bench WR Brandon Marshall (hamstring) for their Week 17 game. Head coach Josh McDaniels wouldn't directly address the reasons for his decision, but he mentioned accountability and said several other players will play during Week 17 with worse injuries than Marshall. Marshall said he does not want to get into a war of words. 'Coach never played in the NFL. I'm going to handle this professionally,' said Marshall, who has not practiced the past two days.
ESPN.com reports the Denver Broncos are going to bench WR Brandon Marshall (hamstring) for their Week 17 game. Head coach Josh McDaniels wouldn't directly address the reasons for his decision, but he mentioned accountability and said several other players will play during Week 17 with worse injuries than Marshall. Marshall said he does not want to get into a war of words. 'Coach never played in the NFL. I'm going to handle this professionally,' said Marshall, who has not practiced the past two days.
