I would say Marshall, Decker and Kerley make a top 5-6 WR core in the NFL. Not sure what I think about them sticking with Powell and Ivory...would need to get a guy like Duke Johnson in the draft o make that work.Harvin is on his way out. So it will be Marshall and Decker. Not a horrible duo. Geno should at least be serviceable this year. Need a running game though.
I take it you don't believe in Mariota or don't think the Jets are taking him?Much like you can't brew a real beer without hops, you can't brew a real NFL offense without a quarterback.buy low on marshall and decker. something is brewing in NY.
I'm not sold on Mariota as a lock in the NFL, but I don't think he is likely to last until the sixth pick, either.I take it you don't believe in Mariota or don't think the Jets are taking him?Much like you can't brew a real beer without hops, you can't brew a real NFL offense without a quarterback.buy low on marshall and decker. something is brewing in NY.
I beg to differ. See Culpepper without Moss.Quarterbacks make receivers, not the other way around.Harvin, Marshall, Decker. If Geno can't get it done with all of that, beyond time to move on.
Exception that proves the rule, I think.Yeah, arguably the 2nd best WR of all time can make QBs look good. Other WRs maybe not so much.
Why do some of you guys think that Marshall is still any good? The dude was hot garbage last year and his teammates hated him, just like they did in Miami and Denver. Nothing will change in NY. Only a matter of time before he wears out his welcome there too.
Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
he wasnt a great wr for those teams? why do people always keep the hate for a team as if anyone on the former coaching staff or front office is calling the shots. Rex is not the coach anymore and idzik is not the GM. the seahawks were bad for a long time. the patriots were bad for a long time. what changed? the coach and front office. you need those changes to change a franchise sometimes.Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
Depends on what you would call great? Stats without wins means nothing. Zero playoff appearances?he wasnt a great wr for those teams?Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
don't know that I'd call it great but it's a fine move. They need a playmaking receiver and he's that. He's the third WR they've brought in to fill that role, and my feelings on the subject have more to do with the Jets organization right now than Marshall as a player. Had this been any other organization except the Jets, Browns Raiders or Bills, it would be a lot more promising for BM.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
people selected watkins at 1.1 and 1.2 of rookie drafts when he went to the bills bad organization and bad qb. marshall may be 30 going on 31 but he can still play at an elite level. if others do not see how injuries and a bad qb played into last year i dont know what to say. not even close to the same offense scheme that the previous coaches have ran. its like people watch espn and just repeat what they say to sound like they know what they are talking about. you will see how bad cutler really sucks without marshall.don't know that I'd call it great but it's a fine move. They need a playmaking receiver and he's that. He's the third WR they've brought in to fill that role, and my feelings on the subject have more to do with the Jets organization right now than Marshall as a player. Had this been any other organization except the Jets, Browns Raiders or Bills, it would be a lot more promising for BM.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
Much like you can't brew a real beer without hops, you can't brew a real NFL offense without a quarterback.buy low on marshall and decker. something is brewing in NY.
Jeff George and Scott Mitchell would also like a word.I beg to differ. See Culpepper without Moss.Quarterbacks make receivers, not the other way around.Harvin, Marshall, Decker. If Geno can't get it done with all of that, beyond time to move on.
I really don't understand the point of this post. You're bashing the Jet organization for bringing him in because their the Jets? Listen, I'm a Raiders fan and I hate the Jets. But trying to be objective, I see the Jets trying to actually learn from the past. They shook up the coaching staff, brought in a solid playmaking WR for what, a 5th round pick...And free agency hasn't even started yet. I wouldn't say the Jets are a model organization but it sure looks like their heading in the right direction. Either way, with Decker and Marshall, they have the base to put together a pretty solid offense.Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
I agree.Much like you can't brew a real beer without hops, you can't brew a real NFL offense without a quarterback.buy low on marshall and decker. something is brewing in NY.Jeff George and Scott Mitchell would also like a word.I beg to differ. See Culpepper without Moss.Quarterbacks make receivers, not the other way around.Harvin, Marshall, Decker. If Geno can't get it done with all of that, beyond time to move on.
Plenty of instances of bad-qb production spikes with a sudden influx of receiving talent. Doesn't mean it's better to build a team that way, but to pretend the phenomenon doesn't exist seems silly.
There is no rule. Interesting that you failed to mention Gronk.Exception that proves the rule, I think.Yeah, arguably the 2nd best WR of all time can make QBs look good. Other WRs maybe not so much.
Look at the WR corps Brady won his first three Super Bowls with. Nothing special.
Then this year, Edelman and LaFell. Not exactly superstars.
I agree, Marshall was a solid low risk move that has potential to elevate their entire offense. Marshall has a reasonable salary with no future guarantees(though I did read yesterday he had some new money put into the deal). If things don't work it costs them a 5th round pick and they can release him with no further money owed. Low risk/high reward is generally a good move.I really don't understand the point of this post. You're bashing the Jet organization for bringing him in because their the Jets? Listen, I'm a Raiders fan and I hate the Jets. But trying to be objective, I see the Jets trying to actually learn from the past. They shook up the coaching staff, brought in a solid playmaking WR for what, a 5th round pick...And free agency hasn't even started yet. I wouldn't say the Jets are a model organization but it sure looks like their heading in the right direction. Either way, with Decker and Marshall, they have the base to put together a pretty solid offense.Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
61-721-8 despite being hurt all year and missing three games is hot garbage? Interesting.Why do some of you guys think that Marshall is still any good? The dude was hot garbage last year and his teammates hated him, just like they did in Miami and Denver. Nothing will change in NY. Only a matter of time before he wears out his welcome there too.
Did Marshall play on those horrific defenses the Bears had?Depends on what you would call great? Stats without wins means nothing. Zero playoff appearances?he wasnt a great wr for those teams?Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
Your point about espn is lost on me, no idea what they're saying about it.people selected watkins at 1.1 and 1.2 of rookie drafts when he went to the bills bad organization and bad qb. marshall may be 30 going on 31 but he can still play at an elite level. if others do not see how injuries and a bad qb played into last year i dont know what to say. not even close to the same offense scheme that the previous coaches have ran. its like people watch espn and just repeat what they say to sound like they know what they are talking about. you will see how bad cutler really sucks without marshall.don't know that I'd call it great but it's a fine move. They need a playmaking receiver and he's that. He's the third WR they've brought in to fill that role, and my feelings on the subject have more to do with the Jets organization right now than Marshall as a player. Had this been any other organization except the Jets, Browns Raiders or Bills, it would be a lot more promising for BM.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
OK, it was a great move for the Jets, and will probably get them to the Super Bowl.Did Marshall play on those horrific defenses the Bears had?Depends on what you would call great? Stats without wins means nothing. Zero playoff appearances?he wasnt a great wr for those teams?Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
Anyway, I think anyone saying this isn't a good move for the Jets is just being a contrarian. They gave up a 5th round pick for one of the better WR in the game.
yeah, cuz we haven't figured that out yetpeople selected watkins at 1.1 and 1.2 of rookie drafts when he went to the bills bad organization and bad qb. marshall may be 30 going on 31 but he can still play at an elite level. if others do not see how injuries and a bad qb played into last year i dont know what to say. not even close to the same offense scheme that the previous coaches have ran. its like people watch espn and just repeat what they say to sound like they know what they are talking about. you will see how bad cutler really sucks without marshall.don't know that I'd call it great but it's a fine move. They need a playmaking receiver and he's that. He's the third WR they've brought in to fill that role, and my feelings on the subject have more to do with the Jets organization right now than Marshall as a player. Had this been any other organization except the Jets, Browns Raiders or Bills, it would be a lot more promising for BM.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
You're making too much sense.OK, it was a great move for the Jets, and will probably get them to the Super Bowl.The price to acquire Marshall has dropped with each trade. If he was such a great player (check that) asset to a team, then why weren't teams with a winning records offering anything for him? You would think a player with Marshall's skills would actually make a fringe team a playoff contender, or a playoff team a Super Bowl contender.Did Marshall play on those horrific defenses the Bears had?Anyway, I think anyone saying this isn't a good move for the Jets is just being a contrarian. They gave up a 5th round pick for one of the better WR in the game.Depends on what you would call great? Stats without wins means nothing. Zero playoff appearances?he wasnt a great wr for those teams?Same thing was said by Broncos, Dolphins, and the Bears. How did things turn out for them? I'm sure it will be very different for the Jets organization, they seem to have things figured out.How can anyone not think this is a great move by the Jets? Say what you want, I see Marshall as a guy cut from the same mold as Dez. Not in talent, but passion to play. And win. Last year, Marshall was clearly upset with Cutler's performance and lack of leadership and his frustration and anger spilled into the media. Plus, Marshall was clearly hurt and playing on a bad wheel for much of the season last year.
Does he bring some significant baggage and a threat to be a problem in the locker room and possibly off the field? Yes. But the dude is a great WR and is absolutely going to help make Geno a better QB. He doesn't have to be open to make a catch and is, in my opinion, a perfect compliment to Decker. The Jets still have a lot of work to do and if they manage go get a quality TE, their offense is going to surprise a lot of people in 2015. Either way, adding Marshall for what, a 5th round pick is a boon for the Jets.
The hot garbage talk has a lot more to do with him than his raw production,I love this hot garbage talk. He had one bad year among many great ones and last year he was hurt.
Plain as dayThe hot garbage talk has a lot more to do with him than his raw production,I love this hot garbage talk. He had one bad year among many great ones and last year he was hurt.
If Marshall goes to the Patriots, it's a good move for them, Brady and Belichick wouldn't put up with any of his immature nonsense. It's telling that they wouldn't part with a late 4th to get him despite their obvious need at the position.
Don't see that as an upgrade over Geno and I thought Decker did just fine with Geno. Had Decker not had the hammy I'd think we'd have seen better numbers but surprisingly other than TD's his numbers were not that far off from when Peyton was throwing to him versus Geno-at least in terms of per target.A Ryan Fitzpatrick signing could certainly salvage something out of Marshall.
In 2010 it was Henne, in 11 is was Matt Moore. I remember owning him during one of those seasons and he couldn't buy a TD yet still managed 80+ reception, 1000+ yards (did so both years). He was my WR3 at the time as well.Haven't really kicked the tires on him yet, but I'm intrigued as well. The standard Marshall pattern is he does very well his first year or two with a franchise before eventually wearing out his welcome. Also, who was his QB when he put up good numbers in Miami? Pennington? Henne? Whatever else he is, Fitz is clearly an upgrade on them.
I'm thinking maybe a WR2 target with a little upside? Keep in mind, he's one injury-filled year removed from a Top 6 season.
Im actually more interested in Marshall now that Fitz is the starting QB. Fitz's best seasons were with Gailey as his OC.I haven't seen any talk about Marshall around here but maybe I haven't looked hard enough. How do people feel now with Fitzmagic under center?
I found this stat interesting in a 4for4 article, "Since 2008, Chan Gailey's primary target has accounted for 26.8% of all team receptions, a market share bested by only six wide receivers last season."
I think the obvious fear is that Marshall is past his prime, but despite the team name, I don't hate his situation year. The combination of Fitz/Gailey could make him a worth targeting as a WR3/flex who could produce like a WR2.
Fast forward to 1:25 for Marshall highlights.Didnt realize they played last night until checking highlights and box scores now. 4/62 for Marshall. Nice start.
Since Troy Renck is a Broncos' beat writer, I'm sure he's talking about the Broncos' linebacker Brandon Marshall.VandyMan said:BMarsh says he has a broken screw in his foot, but will play through the pain. We'll see how effective he is, or whether he makes it through the season. Bump Decker I guess.