Brandon Marshall's second TD (1 Viewer)

[Browns Rule!]

Let me set the stage for those who haven't seen it. Bronco's had the ball at the 6, Cutler goes back to pass, swings it to Marshall, who runs in for the score.

I've watched this clip probably 10 times, and am convinced, this should have been counted as a TD run. If you take where Cutler threw the ball (the release point of the ball), the ball would have landed on the 10 yard line. Brandon Marshall had to reach behind him (he was at the 10) to catch the ball. If he would have let it go, it easily would have landed at the 11 yard line. Do they ever make changes to stats after the game? Does anyone know who to contact about this play? Does anyone agree it should have been a run, or do all the Cutler owners agree it should have been a pass?

The main reason I'm writing this is who generally makes the call or reverses stats like this? Does it ever happen?

 

[buck naked]

Elias Stats will make the call later in the week. There are changes just about every week.

 

[Browns Rule!]

Elias Stats will make the call later in the week. There are changes just about every week.

Thank you!

 

[inca911]

Go to official boxscores on NFL.com to see the change. I won a couple weeks back when a Wes Welker reception was reclassified as a rush.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It was pretty close. I won't be surprised if they change it.

 

[Chachi]

It's at about 1:30 in here, http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2973...=tab_gamecenter

I see no way this gets changed.

 

[Da Guru]

It's at about 1:30 in here, http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2973...=tab_gamecenter

I see no way this gets changed.

Not sure if it will get changed , but it does seem to be a backwards pass by about 1/2 a yard.

 

[blend]

It's at about 1:30 in here, http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2973...=tab_gamecenter

I see no way this gets changed.

I agree, but wow do I hope it does.. my opponent has both Cutler and Marshall.

 

[qimqam]

It's at about 1:30 in here, http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2973...=tab_gamecenter

I see no way this gets changed.

From this video you can't even see where Cutler throws it from so how can you say he threw it backwards?I looked up the highlights on youtube and It looks like Cutler jumps backwards as he throws the ball and Marshall catches it at least a yard or two in front of him.

3:57 of this link ... It's not great quality but it shows more than the NFL link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfWIgjvwi9k

 

[Burning Sensation]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

 

[qimqam]

3:57 of this link ... It's not great quality but it shows more than the NFL link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfWIgjvwi9k

 

[Ghost Rider]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

 

[JetMaxx]

Other owner had both going.

 

[Chachi]

Sounds like a bunch of sore losers clinging on to the fact that their seasons are over. I lost to the Cutler owner by 2 points, if this gets yanked then I win. I think it's not gonna happen and it's being a sore loser seeing things that don't exist, get over it people, your seasons are over.

 

[Chachi]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

He may not have released at exactly at the eleven, but it was pretty close to the eleven, and Marshall clearly caught it exactly at the 10 though.

 

[identikit]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

It's where the ball is released (not where the passer's body/feet are) and where the ball is caught that makes it a forward/backwards pass.

 

[harryhood]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

It's where the ball is released (not where the passer's body/feet are) and where the ball is caught that makes it a forward/backwards pass.

i believe eli manning would beg to differ.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

It's where the ball is released (not where the passer's body/feet are) and where the ball is caught that makes it a forward/backwards pass.

Exactly, and when the ball comes out of his hand, his hand is at the 10.5/10.75 yard line.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

It's where the ball is released (not where the passer's body/feet are) and where the ball is caught that makes it a forward/backwards pass.

i believe eli manning would beg to differ.

What defines a forward pass, and crossing the line of scrimmage are two different things.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He may not have released at exactly at the eleven, but it was pretty close to the eleven

Pretty close? Uh, no. His arm and hand were both inside the 10, just barely. Look at where his hand is at the time of the release, not where his body is by the time Marshall catches it.

Exactly, and when the ball comes out of his hand, his hand is at the 10.5/10.75 yard line.

No, it isn't. You really need to watch it again.For the record, I am not saying it will be or should be changed. I am just saying, it is very, very close. I won't be surprised if it stands the way it was originally called, but I won't be surprised if it is changed, either.

 

[Burning Sensation]

He may not have released at exactly at the eleven, but it was pretty close to the eleven

Pretty close? Uh, no. His arm and hand were both inside the 10, just barely. Look at where his hand is at the time of the release, not where his body is by the time Marshall catches it.

Exactly, and when the ball comes out of his hand, his hand is at the 10.5/10.75 yard line.

No, it isn't. You really need to watch it again.For the record, I am not saying it will be or should be changed. I am just saying, it is very, very close. I won't be surprised if it stands the way it was originally called, but I won't be surprised if it is changed, either.

Ive seen it 10 times, agree to disagree.

 

[PosterNutBag]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

It's where the ball is released (not where the passer's body/feet are) and where the ball is caught that makes it a forward/backwards pass.

i believe eli manning would beg to differ.

whether or not it is a legal forward pass b/c you may or may not be across the line of scrimmage is an entirely different can of worms

 

[harryhood]

3 pages of this on the rotoworld forums as well. how people see it depends on whether you are playing/playing against cutler. Personally I don't see how they can change it. If it looks like it could go either way they usually just leave it as is.

 

[PosterNutBag]

I just watched it a few times for the first time and I think we need a clearer video for people to be saying that it is DEFINITELY one way or the other. I think that it was most likely slightly forward, but honestly it is too close to call with that youtube link.

 

[FlapJacks]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

I own neither, but It looks like the ball is release on the 9 and a half and is caught just behind the stripe of the 10.

 

[Browns Rule!]

I just saw highlights again of the play on Primetime, and from the highlights on primetime, it looks much closer than the actual angle that was being shown on the game. From the highlights on Primetime, I don't think it gets reversed, but from the other camera, I definately think it was backward.

I know there is a better angle out there, I just need to find it.

 

[kd1]

i know this isnt what matters, but i dont think it's even arguable where their feet were. cutlers were inside the 10 when he released it, and marshall's were outside the 10 when he caught it.

would be hard to imagine that you could make a forward pass under that scenario, but i guess it's possible.

 

[Da Guru]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

There is no doubt that BM caught the ball just behind the ten, the key is where did Cutler release it?

 

[kd1]

Elias Stats will make the call later in the week. There are changes just about every week.

is there anywhere to see all of this seasons stat changes?

 

[Chachi]

Elias Stats will make the call later in the week. There are changes just about every week.

is there anywhere to see all of this seasons stat changes?

http://football16.myfantasyleague.com/2008...tistics+Changes

 

[NHT-SPOILER]

Keep pausing it and playing it in slow motion....... Cutler releases the ball at approximately the 10.75yd line and Marshall catches it at about the 10 to 9.8 yd line to be exact. Just replayed it on DVR with 1080i HD and I see the same thing it is definately a forward pass, not by much, but about a yard.

 

[harryhood]

Going through the records, this type of stat has been changed about 3 times this year but never on a touchdown play. It would be interesting to see how they are looking at it but I think it is such a close call that they dont have enough to say it was definitely backward.

 

[Browns Rule!]

Keep pausing it and playing it in slow motion....... Cutler releases the ball at approximately the 10.75yd line and Marshall catches it at about the 10 to 9.8 yd line to be exact. Just replayed it on DVR with 1080i HD and I see the same thing it is definately a forward pass, not by much, but about a yard.

Interesting, You have Cutler on your team. I wonder if you started Orten or Cutler this week? Did you start Brandon Marshall too? Needless to say, no matter what you think, it was close, and no one can seriously believe he released the ball at the 10.75 yardline, and no one can seriously believe that the ball was in front of the 10 when Marshall caught it.

 

[PosterNutBag]

Keep pausing it and playing it in slow motion....... Cutler releases the ball at approximately the 10.75yd line and Marshall catches it at about the 10 to 9.8 yd line to be exact. Just replayed it on DVR with 1080i HD and I see the same thing it is definately a forward pass, not by much, but about a yard.

Nice post ... and the first one in this thread who wasn't looking at a fuzzy small internet replay of it.

 

[urbanhack]

Keep pausing it and playing it in slow motion....... Cutler releases the ball at approximately the 10.75yd line and Marshall catches it at about the 10 to 9.8 yd line to be exact.

This is exactly how I'm seeing it.

 

[Your Mom]

Keep pausing it and playing it in slow motion....... Cutler releases the ball at approximately the 10.75yd line and Marshall catches it at about the 10 to 9.8 yd line to be exact.

This is exactly how I'm seeing it.

I agree. I can't see how people see it as a run. Yes it is close, but it is a pass. If you watch it once, then maybe. I've watched it multiple times and this is a pass. Not a chance they overturn this. I could care less what the outcome is, but I think it is pretty obvious.

 

[chook]

Elias Stats will make the call later in the week. There are changes just about every week.

What's the latest they could make this change?I'm through to the next round by 6.14, but if this gets changed I end up losing by 0.50 - I can't sleep at night I tells ya.

 

[Your Mom]

Elias Stats will make the call later in the week. There are changes just about every week.

What's the latest they could make this change?I'm through to the next round by 6.14, but if this gets changed I end up losing by 0.50 - I can't sleep at night I tells ya.

Don't worry about it. They WON'T change it. It was a pass!!!!

 

[vikingdave]

ZERO chance that gets changed to a run...

 

[GoL]

Cutler released it at the 11, and Marshall caught it at the 10, no way this is reversed to a TD run.

Huh? His entire body is still inside the 10 when he releases the ball.

It's really weird how we see things differently, I have 20/20 vision and you are 100% wrong. Are you losing to the Cutler owner by chance?

No, I have Cutler in all three leagues I am in, actually. And I have perfect vision. Okay, I just watched it again. At the exact moment he releases the ball, his right leg is barely across the 10, but his arm is at about the 9 1/2 or 9 3/4 line. Marshall catches it at the 10. Like I said, it is very close.

It's where the ball is released (not where the passer's body/feet are) and where the ball is caught that makes it a forward/backwards pass.

Exactly, and when the ball comes out of his hand, his hand is at the 10.5/10.75 yard line.

You can tell, from the TV angle to within 9 inches where the ball was when he released it. Without a shadow of a doubt.

Good work.

 

[qimqam]

Keep pausing it and playing it in slow motion....... Cutler releases the ball at approximately the 10.75yd line and Marshall catches it at about the 10 to 9.8 yd line to be exact. Just replayed it on DVR with 1080i HD and I see the same thing it is definately a forward pass, not by much, but about a yard.

Interesting, You have Cutler on your team. I wonder if you started Orten or Cutler this week? Did you start Brandon Marshall too? Needless to say, no matter what you think, it was close, and no one can seriously believe he released the ball at the 10.75 yardline, and no one can seriously believe that the ball was in front of the 10 when Marshall caught it.

Cutler owner however a reversal would not impact my game since I won by over 30 pts.I said the same thing looking at the blurry video ... Cutler was moving backwards as he threw and the release was about 1yd behind the spot where Marshall caught the ball. If I was a betting man ... It's not going to be reversed.