Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets (1 Viewer)

[Bossman]

Yikes.... Is Mangini calling the shots in CLE? He must have owed someone a huge favor back in NY.

I feel bad for Browns fans ....as this team takes another step "backwards".

They have succeded in becoming this years DET Lions and will be for many, many seasons.

 

[cvnpoka]

Wonder what it means for Robieskie - he was supposed to be the impact rookie not Masso. I think people are getting too hyped on Mass -- He was single covered all game with the #2 corner. Without 17 it will be much diffferent

against the bengals he worked against both corners. he torched leon hall multiple times. bengals corners stay on their side of the field, and dont follow recievers.

I'd like to know which camera angles people get to know that he was single-covered all game by the #2 guy. I don't get that option on my TV.

i said nothing of single vs double coverage. just that he worked against both corners. i watched the game and this was obv. and its also well known that the bengals corners dont switch sides of the field and follow recievers before the snap.

 

[Sweetness_34]

The one person who's value should go up in a PPR league is Jerome Harrison. WHo are the Browns going to throw the ball to if Mass is now double teamed and has to go up against the #1 CB all the time.....it will hurt Harrison's chances of getting a TD, but face it, the Browns RB was not someone you were starting at the flex for TDs....this just means at least 5 catches for Harrison every game, giving him a floor of 10 pts every game in a PPR, which is great from the flex. He just got 20 pts in a PPR league last week.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

They could have gotten a lot more this offseason, but still not a bad haul for IMO the most overrated WR in the game today.

He's not worth the deal they'll pay him and he's a potential PR nightmare that struggles with drops and effort..

 

[TLEF316]

The Jets got off to a hot start, and they (and especially their offense) came crashing down to Earth last week.

Crashing down to earth? A rookie QB makes 2 big mistakes and a defense (missing their # 2 and 3 CB's and their best pash rusher) limits the best offense in football to 10 points on the road. It happens. If you think thats "crashing down to earth", I imagine you'll be a tad surprised monday night.

Good god, maybe they need to remove these team affiliation things since it apparently means you can't say anything about any team that is in any way related to them without everyone thinking you have an agenda.I don't give a **** what happens to the Dolphins on Monday night, we're talking about fantasy football here. I care a lot more about my fantasy football team than I do my real football team. The point is (well, the counterpoint to the guy I was responding to really), the Jets look a lot less stable now than the Cowboys did when they acquired Roy Williams last year, and Sanchez is not nearly as highly thought of as a fantasy producer as Romo was considered at the same time last year.For god's sake man, read the post to get my point. I don't care about the MNF game. If I post in that game thread, you can talk all the crap about the Dolphins that you want to there. I'm here to talk about the topic at hand.

not gonna get in an argument, but your initial post was very inflamatory. (the "crashing down to earth" part was what really got me) i would have said something regardless of what logo was under your name. The fact that you're a dolphin fan and the 2 teams are playing this week just made it easier. and i'd agree that overall the team is slightly less stable. However, i'd also argue that the team has more upside (all the skill players other than TJ are young and improving) and the role that Edwards is expected to fills allows for a higher ceiling than Roy had entering the Cowboys offense.

 

[massraider]

Wonder what it means for Robieskie - he was supposed to be the impact rookie not Masso. I think people are getting too hyped on Mass -- He was single covered all game with the #2 corner. Without 17 it will be much diffferent

against the bengals he worked against both corners. he torched leon hall multiple times. bengals corners stay on their side of the field, and dont follow recievers.

I'd like to know which camera angles people get to know that he was single-covered all game by the #2 guy. I don't get that option on my TV.

i said nothing of single vs double coverage. just that he worked against both corners. i watched the game and this was obv. and its also well known that the bengals corners dont switch sides of the field and follow recievers before the snap.

I was agreeing with you, and disputing the post you quoted. This notion that mass will suddenly get followed around the field by the #1 CB, and face constant double teams is kinda silly to me.

 

[cvnpoka]

Well for starters he has shown it wasn't a problem the year the Browns won 10 games. Its a more recent development and likely mental.

You know what this reminds me of? When the Browns dumped Earnest Byner on the Redskins for Mike Oliphant. There was another terrible trade. Very nice RB, who developed a fumbling problem after "the fumble" in the AFC championship game. The Redskins coaching staff got him to overcome that and he won a super bowl there as the leading rusher.

no. bolded is wrong. braylon has always had problems dropping the football, dating back to michigan days. in 2006 when the browns won 10 games he was among the league leaders in drops as well. it may be mental but im not sure if its fixable. hes been dropping gimmes for a long time.

 

[BassNBrew]

The Browns are being run into the ground.The Browns will be a laughingstock for years.

I've been telling you this for years. Maybe they can get Cowher to come in and right the ship.

 

[Bob Magaw]

1 - the list of all time best seasons for receiving TDs (sorry for the formatting)... a WR has had 15 or more TDs in a season 26 times... there are 17 names on the below list... if we cut off the list at 1984 with mark clayton (don hutson ((17 - '42)), elroy "crazy legs" hirsch ((17 - '51)), cloyce box ((15 - '52)), sonny randle ((15 - '60)), bill groman ((17 - '61)) & art powell ((16 - '63))... while these pre-merger numbers are impressive in their own right, all the more so because they were amassed with less than 16 games, defenses were a lot diffferent then & it is unclear how to compare them with the more contemporary seasons on the list)... that leaves just 11 other names...

Single Season NFL Receiving Touchdown Leaders

Rk Player Team TD's Year

1 Randy Moss New England Patriots 23 2007

2 Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers 22 1987

T3 Sterling Sharpe Green Bay Packers 18 1994

T3 Mark Clayton Miami Dolphins 18 1984

T5 Don Hutson Green Bay Packers 17 1942

T5 Elroy Hirsch Los Angeles Rams 17 1951

T5 Bill Groman Houston Oilers 17 1961

T5 Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers 17 1989

T5 Carl Pickens Cincinnati Bengals 17 1995

T5 Cris Carter Minnesota Vikings 17 1995

T5 Randy Moss Minnesota Vikings 17 1998

T5 Randy Moss Minnesota Vikings 17 2003

T13 Art Powell Oakland Raiders 16 1963

T13 Terrell Owens San Francisco 49ers 16 2001

T13 Muhsin Muhammad Carolina Panthers 16 2004

T13 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns 16 2007

T17 Cloyce Box Detroit Lions 15 1952

T17 Sonny Randle St. Louis Cardinals 15 1960

T17 Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers 15 1986

T17 Andre Rison Atlanta Falcons 15 1993

T17 Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers 15 1993

T17 Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers 15 1995

T17 Randy Moss Minnesota Vikings 15 2000

T17 Marvin Harrison Indianapolis Colts 15 2001

T17 Marvin Harrison Indianapolis Colts 15 2004

T17 Terrell Owens Dallas Cowboys 15 2007

multiple seasons include...

jerry rice - 5

randy moss - 4

TO - 2

marvin harrison - 2

the remaining single seasons...

cris carter

sterling sharpe

andre rison

mark clayton

carl pickens

braylon edwards

mushin muhammad

how many bums are on this list? muhammad stands out as an aberration... while he was a very good WR for much of his career, obviously a red zone weapon at his best, & one of the best blocking WRs in the league (along with hines ward, anquan boldin, etc), he wasn't as explosive as the other WRs populating this list... of those WRs who only reached 15+ receiving TDs once, carter, sharpe, rison, clayton & pickens all had multiple very good seasons (carter & sharpe among the best to ever play the position)... rison, clayton & pickens among the best at the position during their time... in terms of physical traits, athleticism, natural talent & pedigree, edwards has more in common with some of the WRs high up on the list...

maybe edwards got lucky & will never recapture the lightning in a bottle...

but to approach the projection question from a different but inter-related direction...

how many of the above WRs would have reproduced those exact same numbers with brady quinn throwing to them? even a journeyman like jeff blake in the pickens battery threw one of the prettier deep balls of his day, & was preposterously better than quinn... think about it...

i would concede that edwards does not appear to have the drive & will to succeed of the likes of rice & carter... but moss didn't look very good in OAK, & he turned things around in NE?

edwards isn't as fast as dre johnson & obviously doesn't have the hands of fitzgerald, but they are two of the better comps in the past half decade or so in terms of size, athleticism & pedigree at the position (off the top of my head, i think they all went around top 3 overall)... when at his best, edwards can do it all... he can run slants, deep routes, is a red zone weapon that can jump over DBs & take the ball away from him...

any browns fans that think he is destined to fail because of his performance the last two seasons are deluding themselves if they don't think he is in a far better position to succeed...

LOL at some posters thinking he is doomed because sanchez had a bad week...

in his first three games, while he admittedly had great support from his defense, sanchez showed tremendous moxie, looking at times more like a five year vet... everything we heard about his leadership in the offseason supports the prospect that he could have an arc & trajectory to his career more like matt ryan than brady quinn...

cotchery is a more natural WR2, imo, & he could be a very good one... keller has a ton of potential at TE... i don't know how well braylon will do in the remaining 12 regular season games (how hard is it to run a fly route?), but i can't see how this doesn't help edwards dynasty value immensely next season & beyond (assuming he gets re-signed)... i think it would be a bonehead move to trade braylon in dynasty now (unless you can secure what you find commensurate value given an optimistic projection)...

this could help sanchez a lot (if his value could go any higher - i guess so), & could help cotchery... he won't see any more double teams...

too early to tell if mass now breaks out in CLE... he will see different coverages now... at least he has a chance with anderson, so long as he remains a starter... quinn makes joey harrington look like dan marino...

* CLE edwards bashers can't have it both ways... if edwards gets dissed for the drops, he needs to get credit for the games he helped win in '07 with 16 TDs... why single out edwards drops for all the problems... what about missed throws, blocks, missed tackles, blown coverages by the rest of the team?

 

[NoFBinLA]

In case anyone is interested in hearing more from some of the guys who cover this I'm having Manish Mehta of the Newark Star-Ledger on my show tonight to chat about this.

10pm EST on Blogtalkradio

http://tobtr.com/s/686575

I normally don't post in hear about my stuff but since it was topical I'll be an attention whore.

 

[Two Deep]

Seems to me Cleveland is throwing out the trash. Probably a bad egg.

 

[shredhead]

I care a lot more about my fantasy football team than I do my real football team.

The day I say this is the day I quit fantasy football forever.

 

[BringItOn]

Seems to me Cleveland is throwing out the trash. Probably a bad egg.

Funny, thats very similar to what was being said about Moss befoe he landed in NE. Predictions of his demise, etc. It's interesting what a team with a winning attitude can do for a player's motivation and desire to perform.Not saying Edwards will have the same success as Moss after that trade, but it is certainly possible for him to return to the elite next year. The door is open. From a fantasy perspective, those are the types of things I look for.. guys with the skillset to be elite, and opportunity to succeed. Check, and check.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Maybe Mangini is a double agent and still getting a check from the Jets? That could explain the getting ripped off for Sanchez and now Edwards.

Or maybe he is like the neighborhood kid you could always rip off trading baseball cards. You know the kid you could get a Pete Rose off of for Tom Hume and Enos Cabell.

 

[Two Deep]

Seems to me Cleveland is throwing out the trash. Probably a bad egg.

Funny, thats very similar to what was being said about Moss befoe he landed in NE. Predictions of his demise, etc. It's interesting what a team with a winning attitude can do for a player's motivation and desire to perform.Not saying Edwards will have the same success as Moss after that trade, but it is certainly possible for him to return to the elite next year. The door is open. From a fantasy perspective, those are the types of things I look for.. guys with the skillset to be elite, and opportunity to succeed. Check, and check.

Could happen but Moss never had bad hands.

 

[GoBirds]

Seems to me Cleveland is throwing out the trash. Probably a bad egg.

Funny, thats very similar to what was being said about Moss befoe he landed in NE. Predictions of his demise, etc. It's interesting what a team with a winning attitude can do for a player's motivation and desire to perform.Not saying Edwards will have the same success as Moss after that trade, but it is certainly possible for him to return to the elite next year. The door is open. From a fantasy perspective, those are the types of things I look for.. guys with the skillset to be elite, and opportunity to succeed. Check, and check.

Could happen but Moss never had bad hands.

As mentioned, TO has "bad hands" too, how did he do with the Eagles?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He's not worth the deal they'll pay him and he's a potential PR nightmare that struggles with drops and effort..

I don't think Edwards has any problems with effort. He does drop too many balls, but the Jets still upgraded their offense for years to come (assuming they can sign him).I wouldn't go as far as saying this is Moss to the Patriots, but there are a lot of similarities. If you can get Edwards now in a dynasty, do it.

 

[pollardsvision]

I think this is a smart deal for both teams.

Braylon should be more valuable to the Jets than he was for the Browns. The Browns couldn't get him the ball and Edwards doesn't seem like a guy who does well in a miserable situation, like being a Cleveland Brown. He was somewhat useless to the Browns and they got something for him.

I don't think the Browns really got fleeced.

It's a worthy move for the Jets. It'll be a steal if it works. If it doesn't, they didn't sell the farm.

It's somewhat similar to the Moss deal, except for 1 little detail: Edwards isn't Moss. Moss had already demonstrated top 5 all-time ability. Edwards is starting to look like a guy who will never be better than he was a couple of years ago and will come with baggage. The Pats got a 100X better player and gave up less.

 

[rascal]

Looking at the previous list of players who were traded mid-season and their corresponding numbers I think it's safe to say that Edwards value for redraft leagues is marginal at best and certainly not the value at which he was drafted (not that it was in Cleveland).

I'm going to try and trade him for a bag of peanuts, but most likely will end up dropping him.

 

[drm1125]

I was going to drop Edwards for Sims-Walker, now I'm not sure if I should hang onto Edwards? Is he worth hanging on to?

 

[NorrisB]

Any word on what the compensation was?

 

[wadegarrett]

Any word on what the compensation was?

Bucket o' balls and a free round.

 

[netnalp]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

 

[B-Deep]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

yeahsomeone should just go around smacking short people since they are all jerks and deserve it

 

[B-Deep]

:smackshimself:

 

[NoFBinLA]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

FWIW Rotoworld is reporting that the Newark Star-Ledger is saying this:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Braylon Edwards did not throw the punch that struck Cleveland nightclub promoter Edward Givens in their alleged dispute on Monday morning.A source with knowledge of the situation tells the Star-Ledger that a member of Edwards' entourage hit Givens. The Jets were well aware of Edwards' situation before trading for him on Wednesday, and GM Mike Tannenbaum is "convinced he's not the bad guy he has been painted as." If Edwards did not throw the punch, he shouldn't be in danger of any league-imposed discipline.Source: Newark Star-Ledger

I'm not saying I think b/c he's a Jet now he's innocent or something. I have no idea and haven't been following this nonsense. But I wonder if there is more to it.

 

[NoFBinLA]

:smackshimself:

Wait- you smack me and I'll smack you - so we can conserve our efforts.

 

[MCguidance]

I care a lot more about my fantasy football team than I do my real football team.

The day I say this is the day I quit fantasy football forever.

I agree, but it's hard to deny the enormous impact FF has had on the NFL's popularity. Many people became interested in the NFL because of FF.

 

[MAC_32]

He's not worth the deal they'll pay him and he's a potential PR nightmare that struggles with drops and effort..

I don't think Edwards has any problems with effort. He does drop too many balls, but the Jets still upgraded their offense for years to come (assuming they can sign him).

I wouldn't go as far as saying this is Moss to the Patriots, but there are a lot of similarities. If you can get Edwards now in a dynasty, do it.

I don't think you've watched many Browns games. He looks like he's playing with the mindset of he doesn't want to get hurt so he can still get his 2nd contract. I think it's awful logic, but knowing Braylon it wouldn't surprise me, and it's what I see when I watch him play.This is a win-win for both teams and fantasy owners of Cotchery and Keller.

 

[MCguidance]

I was going to drop Edwards for Sims-Walker, now I'm not sure if I should hang onto Edwards? Is he worth hanging on to?

No one else to drop? Unless it's a shallow roster, I'd roster both. But I would rather have MSW myself.

 

[VaTerp]

I think its a good deal for both sides.

Edwards in Cleveland was not working out and the Jets didnt give up that much all things considered.

I do think that people are overly down on Edwards in general though. This is a guy who has immense talent and size for a WR. He is only 2 years removed from catching 16 TDs and is still just 26 and his best years should be ahead of him.

He has had a problem with drops and some minor off the field stuff that is being exaggerated IMO. Edwards is a stud and I think the change of scenery will be exactly what he needs to realize his potential.

 

[wadegarrett]

Yikes.... Is Mangini calling the shots in CLE? He must have owed someone a huge favor back in NY.

I feel bad for Browns fans ....as this team takes another step "backwards".

They have succeded in becoming this years DET Lions and will be for many, many seasons.

Browns just received 2 players and 2 picks for a guy who:- repeatedly violated team rules including not paying for his hotel bills (including the well publicized water bottle fine)

- is currently under investigation for assault and could face suspension

- was leaving next year anyway

- and most importantly: CAN'T CATCH A FOOTBALL

How anyone can't see this trade as positive for the Browns is beyond me.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I think this ends closer to Chambers to SD than Moss to NE.

Edwards is vastly overrated based on one season. He's no longer going to be a target monster that he was in Cleveland. Going to a more run heavy squad. I like this news for Dustin Keller because Braylon can be a legit deep threat which will open the middle of the field more.

 

[Bobcat10]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

FWIW Rotoworld is reporting that the Newark Star-Ledger is saying this:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Braylon Edwards did not throw the punch that struck Cleveland nightclub promoter Edward Givens in their alleged dispute on Monday morning.A source with knowledge of the situation tells the Star-Ledger that a member of Edwards' entourage hit Givens. The Jets were well aware of Edwards' situation before trading for him on Wednesday, and GM Mike Tannenbaum is "convinced he's not the bad guy he has been painted as." If Edwards did not throw the punch, he shouldn't be in danger of any league-imposed discipline.Source: Newark Star-Ledger

I'm not saying I think b/c he's a Jet now he's innocent or something. I have no idea and haven't been following this nonsense. But I wonder if there is more to it.

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

 

[wadegarrett]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

FWIW Rotoworld is reporting that the Newark Star-Ledger is saying this:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Braylon Edwards did not throw the punch that struck Cleveland nightclub promoter Edward Givens in their alleged dispute on Monday morning.A source with knowledge of the situation tells the Star-Ledger that a member of Edwards' entourage hit Givens. The Jets were well aware of Edwards' situation before trading for him on Wednesday, and GM Mike Tannenbaum is "convinced he's not the bad guy he has been painted as." If Edwards did not throw the punch, he shouldn't be in danger of any league-imposed discipline.Source: Newark Star-Ledger

I'm not saying I think b/c he's a Jet now he's innocent or something. I have no idea and haven't been following this nonsense. But I wonder if there is more to it.

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

She said Braylon threw the first punch after butting in on Givens' conversation with someone else.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Browns just received 2 players and 2 picks for a guy who:

- repeatedly violated team rules including not paying for his hotel bills (including the well publicized water bottle fine)

- is currently under investigation for assault and could face suspension

- was leaving next year anyway

- and most importantly: CAN'T CATCH A FOOTBALL

How anyone can't see this trade as positive for the Browns is beyond me.

That wasn't Edwards. It was safety Abram Elam. I'm not even sure what repeated rules violations you are talking about.

 

[wadegarrett]

Local columnist Terry Pluto's take:

Trade Braylon Edwards? If I'm Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini, I do it, too

Terry Pluto

Cleveland.com

October 07, 2009

If I'm Eric Mangini, I do exactly what the Browns coach did this morning -- I trade Braylon Edwards.

I do it knowing Edwards might go to the New York Jets and play like a star. He has the talent. He has the motivation, having wanted to play in a major market and also being a free agent at the end of the season. He could make this trade look very bad in the short term for the Browns.

I do it knowing the Browns didn't strike football gold in return. They added what is expected to be a third- and a fifth-round draft picks, along with reserve receiver Chansi Stuckey, and special teams star Jason Trusnik, a product of Nordonia High and Ohio Northern.

I do it because my team is 0-4 with Edwards, whose 10 catches are actually one fewer than what Stuckey has with the Jets. I do it because when the Browns tried to deal Edwards around the draft, the highest pick they could receive was a third-rounder along with some journeymen veterans.

I do it not just because Edwards was involved in an incident at a downtown Cleveland night club at 2:30 a.m. Monday where he was accused of assault by a friend of LeBron James -- but because this is just the latest in several immature decisions made by Edwards.

I do it because Edwards never wanted to play here -- he was hoping to be the No. 2 pick in the 2005 draft to Miami. Instead, he went No. 3 to the Browns. And then he believed Browns fans soured on him because he played for Michigan -- as if dropping more passes than any NFL receiver over the last two seasons had nothing to do with that discontent.

I do it because Edwards represented the sense of extreme entitlement held by some of the players, guys who have been on a team with records of 6-10, 4-12, 10-6, 4-12 and 0-4 in the four-plus seasons Edwards has been with the Browns. This is my first season as coach, and it makes no sense to keep things the same for a franchise that has the NFL's second-worst record since 1999.

I do it because Edwards too often ran the wrong pass patterns, making his quarterbacks look bad by throwing to the wrong spots. And because Edwards spent much of Sunday's 23-20 overtime loss to Cincinnati talking into the ear of quarterback Derek Anderson. He wanted the ball thrown in his direction when the coaches were calling plays to deliver the ball to rookie receiver Mohamed Massaquoi, who was in the process of catching eight passes.

I do it because Edwards seemed far more upset about not catching a pass in a game for the first time in his five-year career then the team losing a game they could have won.

I do it because Edwards had been fined early this season for violations of team rules, having ignored previous warnings and not caring what the coaches wanted done.

I do it because Edwards is 26, he's in his fifth pro season, and I'm not sure if he ever will develop into a player who will pay attention to the details and have the self-discipline to consistently be a Pro Bowl caliber player.

I do it because Edwards may indeed deliver a Pro Bowl performance in New York as he did with the Browns in 2007, but I know he won't do it here. A free agent at the end of the season, he is counting the days until he hits the open market. Trade him now and at least get something in return.

I do it because I took two wide receivers in the second round -- Brian Robiskie and Massaquoi -- and with an 0-4 record, it's time to see if they are the players they seemed to be on draft day.

I do it because this team has lacked discipline, because I have to change what happens in practice and in the dressing room before anything improves on the field.

I do it knowing that some people won't like the trade, but at this point, it doesn't matter. For the Browns, Edwards has been durable in terms of playing on Sunday and practicing, but unreliable in so many other areas -- and he is no longer worth the trouble to me or the Browns.

 

[wadegarrett]

Browns just received 2 players and 2 picks for a guy who:

- repeatedly violated team rules including not paying for his hotel bills (including the well publicized water bottle fine)

- is currently under investigation for assault and could face suspension

- was leaving next year anyway

- and most importantly: CAN'T CATCH A FOOTBALL

How anyone can't see this trade as positive for the Browns is beyond me.

That wasn't Edwards. It was safety Abram Elam. I'm not even sure what repeated rules violations you are talking about.

there were multiple players fined for hotel violations including Edwards and Elam...the repeated rules violations have been well publicized recently

 

[Clev4ever]

Yikes.... Is Mangini calling the shots in CLE? He must have owed someone a huge favor back in NY.I feel bad for Browns fans ....as this team takes another step "backwards".They have succeded in becoming this years DET Lions and will be for many, many seasons.

Don't feel bad for us Brown's fans. We are happy today. BE was a cancer in the clubhouse. Most if not all the negative talk out of the locker room was from him. We are happy with the 2 players. We actually feel we got a better WR in Stuckey, he can catch. The picks will be good too. BE told people he didn't care what happened. He said he didn't like the coaches and didn't like either QB. He stated he is a wideout which means he stays of the outside. Doesn't need to go over the middle. Doesn't need to risk getting hurt. That is a bunch of bull. I'm happy he is gone. We may not have a serious deep threat at the moment but Mass is proving himself. Robiskie will finally get some playing time. New York, you just got better but you also got a diva. Good luck dealing with him. The guy really is a #####.

 

[Heep]

This trade boosts Braylons value BIG TIME. Think Moss in Oakland and then heading to NE. Im not saying hes going to have 15 tds this year, but I think this will make him more focused playing for a better team. He has all the talent in the world, he was just stuck in Cleveland. Huge acquisition for the Jets and Braylon owners will be reaping the benefits starting Week 8 or so when he fully knows the playbook and has some chemistry with Sanchez. It may even be sooner than Week 8.

 

[Heep]

Yikes.... Is Mangini calling the shots in CLE? He must have owed someone a huge favor back in NY.

I feel bad for Browns fans ....as this team takes another step "backwards".

They have succeded in becoming this years DET Lions and will be for many, many seasons.

Don't feel bad for us Brown's fans. We are happy today. BE was a cancer in the clubhouse. Most if not all the negative talk out of the locker room was from him. We are happy with the 2 players. We actually feel we got a better WR in Stuckey, he can catch. The picks will be good too. BE told people he didn't care what happened. He said he didn't like the coaches and didn't like either QB. He stated he is a wideout which means he stays of the outside. Doesn't need to go over the middle. Doesn't need to risk getting hurt.

That is a bunch of bull. I'm happy he is gone. We may not have a serious deep threat at the moment but Mass is proving himself. Robiskie will finally get some playing time. New York, you just got better but you also got a diva. Good luck dealing with him. The guy really is a #####.

Keep telling yourself that...

 

[Paul Brown]

This trade boosts Braylons value BIG TIME.

No, not really.

 

[GroveDiesel]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

FWIW Rotoworld is reporting that the Newark Star-Ledger is saying this:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Braylon Edwards did not throw the punch that struck Cleveland nightclub promoter Edward Givens in their alleged dispute on Monday morning.A source with knowledge of the situation tells the Star-Ledger that a member of Edwards' entourage hit Givens. The Jets were well aware of Edwards' situation before trading for him on Wednesday, and GM Mike Tannenbaum is "convinced he's not the bad guy he has been painted as." If Edwards did not throw the punch, he shouldn't be in danger of any league-imposed discipline.Source: Newark Star-Ledger

I'm not saying I think b/c he's a Jet now he's innocent or something. I have no idea and haven't been following this nonsense. But I wonder if there is more to it.

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

Talked to a buddy in Ohio that listened to that segment. According to him, Sabrina said that Edwards wasn't even involved in the heated conversation but was upset about the loss. He suddenly went over and went off on LeBron's guys before punching the one guy in the face. She said she was shocked. Like you said, this is a girl who has claimed to be friends with Edwards in the past and claims tohave been there. So it's not lime it's coming from a hater. At this point, I'm tending to buy that side of the story rather than the one from the anonymous source saying he didn't do it. Especially since James's camp has all but confirmed the story. No way do they make the comments that they're making if they know Edwards didn't do it.

 

[MCguidance]

On the Edwards front, Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum addressed reporters saying that he was excited to bring in the big wideout. "Sometimes a fresh start does a lot of people good," Tannenbaum said about the troubled wideout. "We can look at Wayne Hunter and Kris Jenkins. I think when they came here, they exceeded our expectations with a fresh start." Dave Hutchinson will have a more detailed post with Tannenbaum's take on the trade shortly.

 

[Clev4ever]

All this trade does for the Jets is make defenses respect BE. Cotchery should benefit from this nicely. The running game should improve as well. The safety that may have come up to stop the run will now need to drop back to respect BE. TJ should have a good season now.

 

[amnesiac]

The Browns are being run into the ground.

Their two most talented players from a year ago, TE Kellen Winslow and WR Braylon Edwards, have now been dumped to other teams via trades. This is a franchise that desperately needs difference makers. GOOD coaching and GOOD management earn their money by taking a star player that is upset and getting him to buy into the system. If everyone had a sunny attitude and team spirit, we wouldn't even need a coach. But in Cleveland, apparently hard work isn't required of the Browns Brass. If someone is not getting along, just trade him away. Doesn't matter how talented he is, or that they are a STUD with THEIR WHOLE CAREER IN FRONT OF HIM.

The Browns will be a laughingstock for years.

I mean seriously. When was the last time a player with the TALENT and YOUTH of Braylon Edwards got traded away like this? I cannot even remember the last time it occurred.

I think everyone in the fantasy football universe agrees that Braylon has the talent, and its probably inevitable he puts it all together and becomes a dominant WR. Maybe not in 2009, but eventually. What the Browns did is unfathomably damaging to their franchise.

Jay Cutlersorry , i'm a little behind.

Braylon didn't want to be in Cleveland, wtf were they supposed to do?

i'm willing to give this staff more than 4 games before i judge them.

 

[PatsFanCT]

This trade is great for the Jets. (not so much for the Pats) I think Edwards will turn it around and finally become the star his potential allows for. The only drawback I could see is if he doesn't start holding onto the ball. NY is not the place you want to have butter fingers.

 

[Not Sure]

So the Browns refuse to trade him for a 1st and 3rd round pick like what was offered in the offseason and now they give him up for this? A couple of role players and a 3rd and 5th? I don't see how any CLE fan can be happy with this at all. I understand that Edwards wasn't playing well, but he has tons of potential to turn it around and once away from the horrible atmosphere that Mangini has created I think he will. He has a lot of talent and will turn out to be a great player for the Jets. Even if you are glad he is gone simply because he might have never worked out in CLE, the more important aspect from a CLE perspective is that they could have gotten so much more for him than this just a couple of months ago. If some of the talk about him not fitting in with Mangini's vision is true, why didn't they trade him when they were getting good offers? I am sure they knew then that his personality would clash with Mangini (like almost everyone's does). I would be so pissed off at the overall direction of this franchise if I were a CLE fan.

 

[Paul Brown]

So the Browns refuse to trade him for a 1st and 3rd round pick like what was offered

Think you need to do a little research.

 

[Moniker]

So the Browns refuse to trade him for a 1st and 3rd round pick like what was offered in the offseason and now they give him up for this? A couple of role players and a 3rd and 5th? I don't see how any CLE fan can be happy with this at all.

Because the bolded part never happened...