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Breaking Bad on AMC (2 Viewers)
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Walt started this whole thing for his family, and now he's all but lost that family. He thinks Sky will come around, but he's only fooling himself if he really believes that. He has lost her for good but his ego is blinding him to that fact. How long before he realizes it?
Also, you'd think Jesse would start calling Walt "Walt" or 'Walter" by now. "Mr White" just seems too formal at this point.
Also, you'd think Jesse would start calling Walt "Walt" or 'Walter" by now. "Mr White" just seems too formal at this point.
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identikit
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Jesse's always needed someone to look up to; sadly Mr White is the only guy that (in his mind) qualifies.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
If I see a former teacher is still use Mr. This season feels off to me. Season 5 of the wire did to though at first, so maybe things start to make sense soon. The whole skyler thing is a mess. She was all about Walt and the business until she got home from hank's and suddenly she's PTSD.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
LOL, you mean until she realized her husband killed a drug lord and her former boss/lover is paralyzed?She was pulled into something against her will, she had a decision to make. Run and leave everything behind and turn her husband in or get through this.She got a small taste of the $ and got caught up in it against her good conscious and now realizes she is in too deep.I don't think she ever fully realized how deep Walt was in this.I think her story-line is a great one for the show and she is pulling off greatly.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Had she not banged her boss, cooked his books, given him 600k without telling Walt, nor seeked out Saul and his guys to convince him to pay taxes, she and her family would be off the grid.
boubucarow
Footballguy
I think it signifies the transformation of Walt in Skyler's mind. When the show started Walt was neutered and especially by his wife. Now, she sees him as almost mythically capable of existing in a very dangerous game. When she found out about the cooking, she assumed Walt was going to die. After Fring (and Walt's bravado), I can see why she thinks only cancer will take him out.
identikit
Footballguy
And there wouldn't be much of a show left.It's called great writing.
prefontaine
Footballguy
We, the viewers, see the full picture but Skylar doesn't or hasn't. Pretty sure she committed to getting back with Walt when she had a very different idea of his role. Remember the "I'm the one that knocks" speech was to convince Skylar he wasn't just the chemist...he was somebody. I didn't think at the time she believed that at all and really saw him more as a worker bee rather than a kingpin.
Through the Fring battle, she still saw him that way - a guy running for his life. Then suddenly his "I won" shook her up when she realized people were dying and he did that. He's no longer Walt the chemist but a cold blooded killer. Seeing Ted in the hospital and realizing how scared he was it just hit home that Walt is not at all who she thought he was. He's now some sort of Michael Corleone figure to her.
As a viewer he is somewhere between the two to me and has been for a long time. He thinks and acts like he's top dog but he can't run an organization by himself. But his hands have been dirty for a long time. From Crazy 8 on we have seen Walt do things that Skylar would never have believed before recently. We've followed down the path and seen the rationale. It makes some logical sense to us and it's not shocking where he is now because we saw the build up to it. But now he slips into that role too easily and this is her first real glimpse of it. She's seeing a person at ease, crowing even, about killing someone else. That's enough to shake anyone.
Through the Fring battle, she still saw him that way - a guy running for his life. Then suddenly his "I won" shook her up when she realized people were dying and he did that. He's no longer Walt the chemist but a cold blooded killer. Seeing Ted in the hospital and realizing how scared he was it just hit home that Walt is not at all who she thought he was. He's now some sort of Michael Corleone figure to her.
As a viewer he is somewhere between the two to me and has been for a long time. He thinks and acts like he's top dog but he can't run an organization by himself. But his hands have been dirty for a long time. From Crazy 8 on we have seen Walt do things that Skylar would never have believed before recently. We've followed down the path and seen the rationale. It makes some logical sense to us and it's not shocking where he is now because we saw the build up to it. But now he slips into that role too easily and this is her first real glimpse of it. She's seeing a person at ease, crowing even, about killing someone else. That's enough to shake anyone.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
100% of me hopes and 0.001% of me believes that the last tick was the watch exploding. Walt didn't have any burns in the "52" scene, so that % is a bit optimistic (or maybe that's what the beard was for? nah, nevermind).
I'm hoping, beyond all reason, that my faith in Jesse's about to be restored. I know it's not though. Vince is apparently committed to having Jesse remain a dope.
Mike and Jesse should be ready to kill Walt for leasing the cars alone. I know Mike has plenty of others, of course.
Remember when we were all (most of us, I think) convinced that Hank had his "aha" moment? It seems that he's a long way away from it at this point. That look that we all thought was so meaningful at the time seems pretty meaningless at this point.
I'm assuming that as soon as Lydia is either killed or officially eliminated as a methylmene source, Walt will start plotting to kill Mike.
The watch gift (even if it's a stupid unexploding one), was a beautiful touch.
Here's kingpin Mr. Heisenberg. 51 years old. No birthday party. Roast chicken and mashed potatoes for his big birthday meal (could there be a more boring meal?). Wife won't #### him. Kid only likes him when he buys him things. He gets a stupid watch from a guy at work.
He's Heisenberg, but really his life's as ####ty as most other 51 YO's.
I'm hoping, beyond all reason, that my faith in Jesse's about to be restored. I know it's not though. Vince is apparently committed to having Jesse remain a dope.
Mike and Jesse should be ready to kill Walt for leasing the cars alone. I know Mike has plenty of others, of course.
Remember when we were all (most of us, I think) convinced that Hank had his "aha" moment? It seems that he's a long way away from it at this point. That look that we all thought was so meaningful at the time seems pretty meaningless at this point.
I'm assuming that as soon as Lydia is either killed or officially eliminated as a methylmene source, Walt will start plotting to kill Mike.
The watch gift (even if it's a stupid unexploding one), was a beautiful touch.
Here's kingpin Mr. Heisenberg. 51 years old. No birthday party. Roast chicken and mashed potatoes for his big birthday meal (could there be a more boring meal?). Wife won't #### him. Kid only likes him when he buys him things. He gets a stupid watch from a guy at work.
He's Heisenberg, but really his life's as ####ty as most other 51 YO's.
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
But all this is IMO a somewhat normal reaction.It started with finding out your husband has some secret that he has been hiding.She felt so betrayed by this, and acted irrational.She ends up banging her boss, and that was her way at getting back at Walt. She continued on this dark path struggling with her emotions all the way through.She justified her actions in some way like Walt has justified his actions. She however realizes she doesn't want any part of this anymore and would probably jump at the chance of ending this all. Walt had that option as well but his ego got in the way. She has been through a lot with Walt, and is a huge piece of the story-line.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
A staged suicide for skyler seems probable.
I also think there is a good possibility that the DEA guy who just promoted hank did so to intentionally take him off the case and is dirty.
I also think there is a good possibility that the DEA guy who just promoted hank did so to intentionally take him off the case and is dirty.
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pollardsvision
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I guy can dream, can't he?Although, I'd prefer Jesse kills Walt with a knife or box cutter. It needs to be personal.
identikit
Footballguy
I got that same vibe too.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
If Jesse was supposed to die in season 1, I doubt they have him kill off Walt. I assume the ending to the show and/or walt was already outlined before filming started.
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BustedKnuckles
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identikit
Footballguy
Let's face it, Jesse's a SCIENCE!!! fanboy, but putting something like that together is out of the question for him.Not sure it'd even be possible, except by the Mossad or something.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Good call here. Would also help to explain why the DEA hasn't actually cracked this case yet even though they've got plenty to go on.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think Skyler's progression makes sense.
Aside from all the other things mentioned (you know, the discovery that Walt's a homicidal mad man), she's had to make a more subtle, but every bit as dramatic adjustment: She married a neutered weenie that she could control. I'm assuming she enjoyed that. Even after finding out Walt's a criminal, she immediately took control of the books and the laundering operation. Even had the audacity to steal $600K from her weenie husband to give to the guy she nailed (even after the "I'm the guy who knocks" routine). This is a woman who clearly had become accustomed to keeping her hubby's nuts in her purse.
Like so many women, they need to control their man, or at least feel like it.
There are other factors, but I think the loss of control over weenie husband is pretty high on the list of what's bothering her.
The folks over at nomarriage.com might even say Walt would be fine if he'd just gotten himself a foreign wife.
Aside from all the other things mentioned (you know, the discovery that Walt's a homicidal mad man), she's had to make a more subtle, but every bit as dramatic adjustment: She married a neutered weenie that she could control. I'm assuming she enjoyed that. Even after finding out Walt's a criminal, she immediately took control of the books and the laundering operation. Even had the audacity to steal $600K from her weenie husband to give to the guy she nailed (even after the "I'm the guy who knocks" routine). This is a woman who clearly had become accustomed to keeping her hubby's nuts in her purse.
Like so many women, they need to control their man, or at least feel like it.
There are other factors, but I think the loss of control over weenie husband is pretty high on the list of what's bothering her.
The folks over at nomarriage.com might even say Walt would be fine if he'd just gotten himself a foreign wife.
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DocGonzo
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I haven't re-watched it, but that was my first thought as well. Maybe Jesse took what Walt said at the end of the previous episode to heart and decided it might be a good idea to try to keep somewhat of an eye on Walt. Mike was able to put a camera in Walt's house before, so it's not like he doesn't have the expertise to help Jesse pull it off. Could be way off, but I have to believe that watch isn't just a watch.
identikit
Footballguy
I tend to think it's just a watch.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Yea, I agreeThe storyline is muddled for me.
Who knows about Walt having poisoned Brock?
Walt and?
Saul? Big black guy who swapped packs?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
This is a great point that I'd never considered.I'd have to think that Saul would absolutely love to see Jesse/Mike take Walt out of the picture.
Would he tell them about Lily of the Valley? I doubt it, but it's not out of the question. He'd implicate himself, but I'm assuming he's more scared of Walt than even an angry Jesse.
More likely, I would think that Saul would find other ways to help Gilliga, err Jesse, start to figure out what everyone else has (well, you know, except the star DEA agent).
Regardless of exactly how, it would make perfect sense that Saul would be a catalyst to help swing Jesse over to Mike's side and start the war.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
It's just a watch. The seconds hand was symbolism of time running out.
identikit
Footballguy
Yep.Highly symbolic, on a few levels.
prefontaine
Footballguy
Do you think that Saul thinks Jesse is capable of outwitting and killing Walt? If you were him, would you take that chance? If anything, you go to Mike, not Jesse.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Not allowed to be a partner unless you're bald.
identikit
Footballguy
I'm not so sure Saul wants Walt dead.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Walt bought Jr. the same car he had before, right? Did Skyler ever notice that they never got the refund they were supposed to when Walt went to "return" the first one?
Oh, and
at Walt's logic in the scene where he explained it to her: "I just spent $50,000 on two cars. Oh, and I'm back cooking meth. Why? Well we're still $600,000 in the hole!"
Oh, and
at Walt's logic in the scene where he explained it to her: "I just spent $50,000 on two cars. Oh, and I'm back cooking meth. Why? Well we're still $600,000 in the hole!"
corpcow
Footballguy
They leased it. Great rates!Walt bought Jr. the same car he had before, right? Did Skyler ever notice that they never got the refund they were supposed to when Walt went to "return" the first one? Oh, and
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
The Skylar storyline seems a little bit rushed and I think it needed to be more of a gradual change. It was only a few episodes ago that she was "OK" with everything, and how she finds this situation suddenly unbearable. Skylar threatening to beat herself up and then charge Walt with assault has got to be the lowest thing ever, at that point Walt need to find a way for her to disappear.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Good point. No, I don't think Saul thinks Jesse's capable of that.I could see him going to Mike first, but he doesn't need to convince Mike of anything. Maybe he goes to both together. No idea. He doesn't need to think Jesse can outwit Walt. He needs to convince Jesse to follow Mike's lead. Mike has the ability, but Jesse's still the lynchpin.If not for Jesse, Mike would've already killed Walt.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I'm not so sure any of those four want any of the others dead.
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badmojo1006
Footballguy
My thought is that Jesse is the only one right now who has Walt's trust. And Walt has a soft spot now that Jesse gave him the watch. Walt is vulnerable to Jesse right now if Mike is able to turn Jesse against walt
comfortably numb
Footballguy
again, having gone through her husband killing someone and seeing Ted in his state with that "blood" on her hands can easily change someone's line of reasoning.She probably thought fine, i will stick with this, I see why Walt got into this, I don't agree, but I understand. I can help him get out of this (laundering) without getting us caught and landing him in jail. Probably thinking this is temporary, and we will eventually come out of this and have a car wash and back to a somewhat normal life.She is in too deep and acting numbly irrational now.She don't give a #### now, and is looking at protecting her kids only at this point
I don't think so. This has been brewing since Season 3.Skyler had been lying to herself about thuis whole thing (Denial), but with Walt bombing a nursing home, killing three and then seeing Ted all ####ed really shook her back to the reality of the situation. (depression then anger)
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Why not?Obviously, I can't be sure of anything, but it certainly seems that way.
Mike wanting Walt dead seems to be the most obvious. He wanted to kill him earlier, and I don't see how, in a million years, that he would think he needs Walt alive or that Walt being alive is anything but a liability on a number of levels.
When Mike's methylamine connection runs out, I could see Walt wanting Mike dead. He doesn't want him dead yet, but that moment's fast approaching.
Why would Saul want Walt alive? I just don't see it.
Saul could continue to make a healthy profit with just Mike/Jesse running things. Walt's a time bomb that will get them all killed or arrested. I think Saul sees this.
Saul's generally level-headed about the best way to handle these situations and has no qualms with using murder for the "greater" good ("Why don't you just kill Badger?").
Abraham
Footballguy
Yeah, that was before she knew her husband was a killer and before she saw Ted. It was also before walt came home in a panic because they were all about to get killed. Oh, and it was before Marie called to say "it's happening again.". She actually acting more same then I would have expected.
identikit
Footballguy
Agree 100%
Abraham
Footballguy
Walt approached mike to handle the business end, which includes a lot more than just the precurssor. Mike needs Walt because his granddaughters money ha been seized.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I still don't see why Skyler can't go to the police.
She could certainly get immunity for turning rat. I'm sure her DEA BIL would find it in his heart to help her get for her relatively minor crimes in order to bring down Heisenberg and his entire blue meth network.
She could certainly get immunity for turning rat. I'm sure her DEA BIL would find it in his heart to help her get for her relatively minor crimes in order to bring down Heisenberg and his entire blue meth network.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I agree, I don't think Walt's there yet.On the latter, I disagree. Jesse can cook. Walt's unnecessary and a huge liability.
Mike's the same guy that's ready to stop production indefinitely to go kill Lydia, his only source of methylamine, on the hint that she's untrustworthy.
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Who's he working for? Gus Fring is dead. If Mike had a guy at the DEA, it would have been an expense subtracted from the stacks of cash on the table. Same idea if it were Saul. I think it's pretty clear that Lydia doesn't have somebody at the DEA. Neither does Walt, Jesse, Skyler, or Flynn.A DEA guy wouldn't be dirty just for his own amusement. He has to be getting paid by somebody. With Fring out of the picture, who would that be?
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I agree with you.That being said, he could have been paid off by Fring in the past and doesn't want that to come to light if the case is blown wide open. There might be some other DEA guys having similar thoughts.
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Saul is getting over $50,000 per cook, for whatever that's worth.
certainly a step to considerDoing so, though, could put her family's life in danger, including Hank and Marie.
