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[mad sweeney]

I guess I take issue with most people here. Hank and Jessie are such major characters, that I don't think we'll know what their final fate is until the very last episode. Therefore I think they both survive this.

And if they DO survive it, how does that make this a lousy episode? The tension is magnificent one way or the other. And this is a melodrama. As I've written before, some of you guys are wayyy too critical.

Didn't Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston talk about reading the final script together? Somehow I doubt thy would have done that if Jesse'd been dead for three episodes.

Why? You think he's just going to leave the set at that point?

Yes

But he's right. Actors do leave the set if they're not in an episode.

No necessarily all the time. Especially for the end of a series, I'd expect (and have seen) several cast mates to stick around for the end. It's not Survivor.

 

[shuke]

No way is Jesse dead after the shootout.

 

[mad sweeney]

I guess I take issue with most people here. Hank and Jessie are such major characters, that I don't think we'll know what their final fate is until the very last episode. Therefore I think they both survive this.

And if they DO survive it, how does that make this a lousy episode? The tension is magnificent one way or the other. And this is a melodrama. As I've written before, some of you guys are wayyy too critical.

Didn't Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston talk about reading the final script together? Somehow I doubt thy would have done that if Jesse'd been dead for three episodes.

Why? You think he's just going to leave the set at that point?

Yes

But he's right. Actors do leave the set if they're not in an episode.

Seriously. You think Johnathon Banks or Giancarlo Esposito are still on the set each day?

Neither were in the show from the start, but it wouldn't be odd if they stuck around an visited during the final epsiode or two of their seasons.

 

[Abraham]

We have two episodes for walts house to be inhabitable and his entire aura to be gone as he assumes the role of mister lambert. Goodness.

 

[prosopis]

That is a lot of blood in the brain package that Hank pours out.

 

[Psychopav]

Great episode. It seemed like it was about 25 minutes long. Might be the most suspenseful episode yet.

Could one of you lawyers find out the recording laws in New Mexico? Would they have been allowed to record that call?

Would it be cheating if Gilligan had the DEA go to the NSA to get it? Lol

 

[mad sweeney]

Curtis Johnson (?) aka Lem on The Shield stuck around on set playing chess with cast and crew after he got killed. He was also paid for the show's final season despite not appearing in any scenes. He was also at cast/crew parties during that season.

Aaron Paul isn't a guest star or a recent addition. It would be exceptionally weird for him to NOT be there if he died an episode or two before the finale.

 

[prosopis]

Not since Lost has there been a series where I watch every episode three times in a week.

I watch the first airing, the airing after Talking Bad, and I will watch it again next week before the new one.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So, if Hank and Gomez die, I think it is safe to say that Walt likely uses Saul's guy to disappear shortly thereafter, but two questions:

1) Does he take the family with him? I would lean towards no, since Skyler will blame Walt for Hank's death, and Walt knows that there is nothing he can say to her to convince her otherwise.

2) Does he take the money? Or does Todd's crew steal it from him? And is that who he comes after later with the guns and ricin?

 

[Psychopav]

Aaron Paul made it a point to say he read the last episode with Cranston at his apartment. He said they both played the role of multiple characters and said "I'm not saying I made it to the end."

Spoiler

He said it was the first time they had read together in the entire series and that Cranston read the last line, for what that is worth.

Spoiler that sh!t.
If they hadn't read together until that episode, the implication is that one of them isn't in it.

Speaking of spoilers, Gilligan said that the ending would be polarizing. There must be more twists to come.

Someone else on the cast or crew. (I can't recall who) mentioned that they watched the last 3 episodes and cried watching all 3.

 

[Abraham]

Relax - Aaron Paul said that the entire show he would get the script via email and read it by himself with a glass of wine or at a time he couldnconcentrate on it. I'm not spoiling anything to post about the guy's script reading habits.

 

[mad sweeney]

Aaron Paul made it a point to say he read the last episode with Cranston at his apartment. He said they both played the role of multiple characters and said "I'm not saying I made it to the end."

Spoiler

He said it was the first time they had read together in the entire series and that Cranston read the last line, for what that is worth.

Spoiler that ####.
If they hadn't read together until that episode, the implication is that one of them isn't in it.

Speaking of spoilers, Gilligan said that the ending would be polarizing. There must be more twists to come.

Someone else on the cast or crew. (I can't recall who) mentioned that they watched the last 3 episodes and cried watching all 3.

No, there's no implication in it at all, other than it's the final episode. They've never had a final episode before either. No possible way that Paul is going to give away anything by implication or directly. Nobody on the show is going to. Not in the taglines or summaries or episode titles or teasers for next week. Anyone who does will get raked over the coals by lawyers that make Saul look like a goody two shoes. Why the eff do you spoiler crybabies think these shows will let the biggest TV secrets of the year slip out? Unreal.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

HAVE AN A-1 DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!

Enjoy your stay.

 

[Abraham]

"That a boy"

 

[Psychopav]

Aaron Paul made it a point to say he read the last episode with Cranston at his apartment. He said they both played the role of multiple characters and said "I'm not saying I made it to the end."

Spoiler

He said it was the first time they had read together in the entire series and that Cranston read the last line, for what that is worth.

Spoiler that ####.
If they hadn't read together until that episode, the implication is that one of them isn't in it.

Speaking of spoilers, Gilligan said that the ending would be polarizing. There must be more twists to come.

Someone else on the cast or crew. (I can't recall who) mentioned that they watched the last 3 episodes and cried watching all 3.

No, there's no implication in it at all, other than it's the final episode. They've never had a final episode before either. No possible way that Paul is going to give away anything by implication or directly. Nobody on the show is going to. Not in the taglines or summaries or episode titles or teasers for next week. Anyone who does will get raked over the coals by lawyers that make Saul look like a goody two shoes. Why the eff do you spoiler crybabies think these shows will let the biggest TV secrets of the year slip out? Unreal.Shouldn't you be ruining a Game of Thrones discussion somewhere?

 

[mad sweeney]

Aaron Paul made it a point to say he read the last episode with Cranston at his apartment. He said they both played the role of multiple characters and said "I'm not saying I made it to the end."

Spoiler

He said it was the first time they had read together in the entire series and that Cranston read the last line, for what that is worth.

Spoiler that ####.
If they hadn't read together until that episode, the implication is that one of them isn't in it.

Speaking of spoilers, Gilligan said that the ending would be polarizing. There must be more twists to come.

Someone else on the cast or crew. (I can't recall who) mentioned that they watched the last 3 episodes and cried watching all 3.

No, there's no implication in it at all, other than it's the final episode. They've never had a final episode before either. No possible way that Paul is going to give away anything by implication or directly. Nobody on the show is going to. Not in the taglines or summaries or episode titles or teasers for next week. Anyone who does will get raked over the coals by lawyers that make Saul look like a goody two shoes. Why the eff do you spoiler crybabies think these shows will let the biggest TV secrets of the year slip out? Unreal.Shouldn't you be ruining a Game of Thrones discussion somewhere?Shouldn't you be running to mama to wipe the tears away?

 

[Uwe Blab]

No way Gomey survives, no way Jesse is dead....Hank I'm 50/50, but slight lean toward dramatic death (he gets to give Walt one last look in the eye with a dying breath.)

I'm 100% that any one saying all 3 need to be dead to call this a spectacular episode are a bunch of big, fat ninnies. What a ####### awesome show.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Hank let his ego get in the way again. If he would have called the tribal police first, instead of calling Marie, backup would have been on the way

We don't know that he didn't. The editing implies that, but does not prove that.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I think everyone but Walt is dead. Great episode.

I still think Jesse was able to sneak out of the car and get up into the hills

I think Jessie remembers how fast the fire department got there last time they were out there and he lights a grass fire to sort of call in reinforcements.

 

[Uwe Blab]

The hank angles are getting kind of, dare I say, stupid.

Huell and fake brains?

You're really going to criticize that episode?

Again I'm not sure how else to end up there, but I just didn't buy the huelle thing. Just wrapping too neatly. I guess that's typical though and I've ignored it with magnets and whatnot. So I retract a bit.

Hank and Gomez should be dead already though. That was dumb.

No offense, but reading this thread you constantly come across as wanting to stand up and scream from the rafters "SEE!!!! I TOLD YOU THEY WOULD BLOW IT!!!!" Sit back and enjoy the show, man.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Hank let his ego get in the way again. If he would have called the tribal police first, instead of calling Marie, backup would have been on the way

We don't know that he didn't. The editing implies that, but does not prove that.

You better watch that scene again.

 

[Uwe Blab]

Someone above mentioned that it sucked that Walt gave away the money coordinates to the neo-nazis. They still have no clue and no reason to know that and that's where a ton of money is buried. No? Walt simply called them and said he had Jesse at those coordinates, right?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Someone above mentioned that it sucked that Walt gave away the money coordinates to the neo-nazis. They still have no clue and no reason to know that and that's where a ton of money is buried. No? Walt simply called them and said he had Jesse at those coordinates, right?

Yeah, it was RN's critic buddy that said that. I agree with you that it's a stretch to think the Nazis will put together that his money is there.

 

[Raider Nation]

Someone above mentioned that it sucked that Walt gave away the money coordinates to the neo-nazis. They still have no clue and no reason to know that and that's where a ton of money is buried. No? Walt simply called them and said he had Jesse at those coordinates, right?

Yeah, it was RN's critic buddy that said that. I agree with you that it's a stretch to think the Nazis will put together that his money is there.

My critic buddy didn't suggest they would put it together. He suggested Walt would alert them to it as some sort of bargaining chip.

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Hank and Gomie have to be out of bullets soon, then they are sitting ducks. Didn't count the shots, but hank fired off a clip pretty easily there.

Not nit picking, just saying.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Hank and Gomie have to be out of bullets soon, then they are sitting ducks. Didn't count the shots, but hank fired off a clip pretty easily there.

Not nit picking, just saying.

There is still Walt's six shooter. Jessie may get to that. He was seen opening the car door. Not that six shots is all that sustaining, but imagine he lights a fire, the smoke provides some cover for Hank and Gomez to retreat into. Then they Nazi's hear sirens (granted from fire trucks), see perhaps tribal cops approaching, and then hear gun shots. They could run for cover.

 

[Raider Nation]

I think the first scene next week will be Jessie turning around after dumping out all that gasoline and seeing walt jr sitting there eating a bowl of fruit loops.

Whoa... right cereal, wrong kid.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Could one of you lawyers find out the recording laws in New Mexico? Would they have been allowed to record that call?

That was going through my mind as it happened. They would have needed a warrant for any recording to be admissible. But they weren't doing it for the recording; they were doing it to find the money. That's the physical evidence they needed to corroborate the testimony they'll get from Jesse.

 

[timschochet]

Probably a dumb question, but what the heck: when the Nazis asked for proof that Hank and Gomez were cops, why didn't Hank pull a badge out and throw it? Seems like I've seen that happen on other shows. (Jack Bauer would always shout "Federal Agent!" and then toss a badge 30 feet- he had extra ones like candy.)

 

[timschochet]

Also two scientific questions: why is Walt's product blue? Is that just written into the script for the heck of it, or is there actually some kind of formula that he is using which, in real life, would produce a blue product? Anyone know?

Secondly: when the uncle doesn't have a mask on at the start of the episode, how likely is he to get sick? And what would happen if he did- would he die? Pass out?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Probably a dumb question, but what the heck: when the Nazis asked for proof that Hank and Gomez were cops, why didn't Hank pull a badge out and throw it?

Because Hank was too smart to fall for it.

 

[UniAlias]

Probably a dumb question, but what the heck: when the Nazis asked for proof that Hank and Gomez were cops, why didn't Hank pull a badge out and throw it? Seems like I've seen that happen on other shows. (Jack Bauer would always shout "Federal Agent!" and then toss a badge 30 feet- he had extra ones like candy.)

I was under the impression that the Nazis were simply trying to get Hank/Gomez to take their hand off their weapons for a moment so they could fire on them.

I thought the Hank/Marie phone call scene was incredibly tense. Was expecting a bullet to hit him while he was on the phone with her.

 

[timschochet]

Could one of you lawyers find out the recording laws in New Mexico? Would they have been allowed to record that call?

That was going through my mind as it happened. They would have needed a warrant for any recording to be admissible. But they weren't doing it for the recording; they were doing it to find the money. That's the physical evidence they needed to corroborate the testimony they'll get from Jesse.

They arrested Walt and read him his rights without any evidence. Hank told Marie, "I've got him." I figure it HAD to be recording the phone call.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Could one of you lawyers find out the recording laws in New Mexico? Would they have been allowed to record that call?

That was going through my mind as it happened. They would have needed a warrant for any recording to be admissible. But they weren't doing it for the recording; they were doing it to find the money. That's the physical evidence they needed to corroborate the testimony they'll get from Jesse.

They arrested Walt and read him his rights without any evidence. Hank told Marie, "I've got him." I figure it HAD to be recording the phone call.

They have evidence. They have Jesse's testimony. They needed physical evidence to back it up. Enter the money.

 

[Shrugs]

Cliffhanger seemed cheap and unnecessary. They made it obvious from Hank's phone call with Marie that Hank and Gomez were going to die, and made it obvious that Jesse is getting away. So just show it. It's really no cliffhanger after you telegraph it. What would happen in the aftermath is cliffhanger enough. Should have had Hank get shot as he reached for his badge.

 

[timschochet]

Cliffhanger seemed cheap and unnecessary. They made it obvious from Hank's phone call with Marie that Hank and Gomez were going to die, and made it obvious that Jesse is getting away. So just show it. It's really no cliffhanger after you telegraph it. What would happen in the aftermath is cliffhanger enough. Should have had Hank get shot as he reached for his badge.

It's not unnecessary to me. I really have no idea whether or not Hank is dead. Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't. I can't wait to find out. Isn't that the definition of a good cliffhanger?

 

[Raider Nation]

Probably a dumb question, but what the heck: when the Nazis asked for proof that Hank and Gomez were cops, why didn't Hank pull a badge out and throw it? Seems like I've seen that happen on other shows. (Jack Bauer would always shout "Federal Agent!" and then toss a badge 30 feet- he had extra ones like candy.)

I was under the impression that the Nazis were simply trying to get Hank/Gomez to take their hand off their weapons for a moment so they could fire on them.

Of course.

 

[Widbil83]

I can see the start of next weeks episode being Hank's wife calling/going to meet Skler and telling her they got Walter or something like that.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Probably a dumb question, but what the heck: when the Nazis asked for proof that Hank and Gomez were cops, why didn't Hank pull a badge out and throw it? Seems like I've seen that happen on other shows. (Jack Bauer would always shout "Federal Agent!" and then toss a badge 30 feet- he had extra ones like candy.)

I'm guessing because Hank and Gomez knew that it didn't really matter to the two trucks of heavily armed Neo Nazis that showed up. Once the Nazis pulled guns on two cops, they're pretty much pot-committed.

The main driving force in the show now, and the guys who are currently holding most all of the cards, are the Neo-Nazis. There is a ton of money to be made, but they need Walt's help. There's also a ton of money underneath their feet, which is another bargaining chip that Walt has, although obviously that's a last resort. So I think we come back next episode with Walt essentially negotiating with the Nazis as to who is going to die, and who isn't. Hank and Gomez are feds, so they obviously can't live to tell the tale. Jesse? Who knows. But does Walt bargain for Jesse's freedom, using his knowledge or the money?

Given the ham-handed way they handle the shoot-out, awesome as it was shot (I think it could've been corrected by Hank and Gomie immediately taking cover), I think there is some bargaining (with everyone alive) that's going to take place. Somewhat of a cheap pop, but forgivable. Hank and Gomez dying will be non-negotiable, my guess is that Walt somehow bargains for Jesse's life.

Walt getting to NH via Saul's Magical Disappearing Service seems like it's inevitable, certainly to escape some sort of big ####### mess (minor spoiler:

Spoiler

Episode 7 is entitled "The Granite State

).

Great episode, again. Let's just hope Huell, Kuby and Saul are all left more or less in place for the spinoff.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Yogurt squeezers are awesome.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I've never fired a gun in my life, but if you have a rifle with a sight trained on someone, and you get to shoot first, HTF do you miss? Seems like Gomez at least should've been a red shirt.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

A picture of the Neo-Nazi's from their last film

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Walt doing his best Gus impersonation

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I've never fired a gun in my life, but if you have a rifle with a sight trained on someone, and you get to shoot first, HTF do you miss? Seems like Gomez at least should've been a red shirt.

I'm sure Todd cleaned up

Spoiler

It's hard to hit with only 76% accuracy

best joke in the episode: a bunch of nazis sitting around discussing how purity's not that important

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Huell's response to the picture of Jesse:

Spoiler

/;_;\

 

[Sarnoff]

(I think it could've been corrected by Hank and Gomie immediately taking cover)

They slowly walked behind the engine block, barely inching along while keeping their weapons on the Aryans. I was OK with how they reacted, seemed true to character. I don't think they would have immediately jumped in the air toward the vehicle as cover.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

(I think it could've been corrected by Hank and Gomie immediately taking cover)

They slowly walked behind the engine block, barely inching along while keeping their weapons on the Aryans. I was OK with how they reacted, seemed true to character. I don't think they would have immediately jumped in the air toward the vehicle as cover.

It did seem a little more realistic upon second viewing, although it did seem like Gomie's ### was hanging out a bit.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

"WALT!"

-Hank Schrader or Michael from Lost

 

[Beerguzzler]

Cliffhanger seemed cheap and unnecessary. They made it obvious from Hank's phone call with Marie that Hank and Gomez were going to die, and made it obvious that Jesse is getting away. So just show it. It's really no cliffhanger after you telegraph it. What would happen in the aftermath is cliffhanger enough. Should have had Hank get shot as he reached for his badge.

It's not unnecessary to me. I really have no idea whether or not Hank is dead. Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't. I can't wait to find out. Isn't that the definition of a good cliffhanger?

I mean how could he possibly survive that without ruining it? I already find it hard to believe he had survived as long as he did already. It's laughable that they weren't gunned down within 5 seconds with the close to 8-10 guns aimed at them.

I personally thought that scene could have been done much better. I expect they open the next show with Jesse wandering the desert and getting picked up by some random.

 

[Slapdash]

For me, Walt become the likable character and Jesse the unlikeable one. Rooting for Walt again.

Really hope Jesse dies soon