I don't feel bad for Jesse at. He ####ed up a lot of things throughout the series....even with Jane.Seeing the end of Season 2 again makes you feel a lot less bad for Jesse given his current predicament as we head towards the finale. Recapping just the final three of Season 2 alone:
-Showed up high and late to the meeting with Gus, causing Gus to skip even meeting Jesse and Walt.
-After Walt salvaged the deal, Jesse was so zonked out on heroin that he almost caused them to miss out on the 1.2 million dollar deal.
-He allowed Jane to blackmail Walt for the money, by allowing her to threaten him with being outed to the cops and the media.
Well done, Jesse. Always the screw-up.
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Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
"One Minute" starts at 4:18 am EST.
Rohn Jambo
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Hank's breasts are busting out of all of his shirts.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The thing about Jesse is that he was always somebody's instrument. Walt used him, then he and Gus wrestled over Jesse without him realizing it, then he ended up as Walt's again, and now he's a slave to Todd.Ghost Rider said:Seeing the end of Season 2 again makes you feel a lot less bad for Jesse given his current predicament as we head towards the finale. Recapping just the final three of Season 2 alone:
-Showed up high and late to the meeting with Gus, causing Gus to skip even meeting Jesse and Walt.
-After Walt salvaged the deal, Jesse was so zonked out on heroin that he almost caused them to miss out on the 1.2 million dollar deal.
-He allowed Jane to blackmail Walt for the money, by allowing her to threaten him with being outed to the cops and the media.
Well done, Jesse. Always the screw-up.
If I was writing this show, I would have Todd finally master the Heisenberg cook and have him unceremoniously execute Jesse in the finale. It would be a fitting end for the character if Jesse finally outlived his usefulness to somebody. Granted, that's a bleak as hell ending to his story, but it fits.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't really think there are all that many plot lines left. A bunch of characters could be wrapped up in a few minutes. For example, Skyler could conceivably go to prison and pawn Holly and Walt Jr. off on Marie in a one-minute scene. Lydia could ride off into the sunset with virtually no time off the clock. Or she could die in the first 10 minutes of the finale with Jack and Todd and his crew. Jesse's storyline doesn't have to take long to resolve. Hell, I don't even feel remotely confident in predicting who the finale is going to be about besides Walt. I could see any of the other characters taking up most of the finale with the others being handled quickly.Otis said:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Hank was a good guy. :(
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Holly looks like a lawn gnome
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Who the hell spends $400k renovating a $450k property?
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
Pizza toss on the roof was so great
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Pizza fling was done in 1 take
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
850k was the asking price.Who the hell spends $400k renovating a $450k property?
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Did we ever see Walt's mom? And I can't remember if he had any siblings
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Are you paying attention Homer?850k was the asking price.Who the hell spends $400k renovating a $450k property?
bentley
Footballguy
I think the story of Walt's dad dying is the only thing we know about his childhood.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
bentley
Footballguy
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
I woke up this morning, tuned into AMC and there was a 30 minute paid commercial
So this pitch show isn't as bad, not impressed w/ the two firms' services either, seem like snake oil salesmen.
Doctor Detroit
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So I would argue that the moment Walter White became Heisenberg, is when he got out of his car and walked up to the buliding to see Tuco. Not when he killed Crazy 8, not when he blew up Tuco, but when he got out of his car and walked up to the building. That's the moment he didn't give a #### anymore. 
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Man, the end of Caballo Sin Nombre is so awesome. The sequence with Walt trying to break into his own house and Mike planting the bug is incredible, and of course there is the near-hit on Walt by the cousins.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Not when he defended Jr for putting on his big boy pants? I think it was a gradual transformation.http://vodzilla.co/blog/features/breaking-bad-the-12-step-programme/So I would argue that the moment Walter White became Heisenberg, is when he got out of his car and walked up to the buliding to see Tuco. Not when he killed Crazy 8, not when he blew up Tuco, but when he got out of his car and walked up to the building. That's the moment he didn't give a #### anymore.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Yeah, that might have been the minute he developed the attitude. Kind of an appetizer before the main course IMO.Not when he defended Jr for putting on his big boy pants? I think it was a gradual transformation.http://vodzilla.co/blog/features/breaking-bad-the-12-step-programme/So I would argue that the moment Walter White became Heisenberg, is when he got out of his car and walked up to the buliding to see Tuco. Not when he killed Crazy 8, not when he blew up Tuco, but when he got out of his car and walked up to the building. That's the moment he didn't give a #### anymore.
bentley
Footballguy
If we're playing this game, then I'm going with when he blows up the KEN WINS car at the gas station for no real reason.Yeah, that might have been the minute he developed the attitude. Kind of an appetizer before the main course IMO.Not when he defended Jr for putting on his big boy pants? I think it was a gradual transformation.http://vodzilla.co/blog/features/breaking-bad-the-12-step-programme/So I would argue that the moment Walter White became Heisenberg, is when he got out of his car and walked up to the buliding to see Tuco. Not when he killed Crazy 8, not when he blew up Tuco, but when he got out of his car and walked up to the building. That's the moment he didn't give a #### anymore.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I think Walt became Heisenburg the moment he gave Jesse the money for the RV. "I am awake." 
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Raider Nation
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Love this chit with the cousins.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
What threat was at the gas station? Vanity plate guy? Walking up into a drug compound is quite different, I might even be capable of the gas station incident. Just sayin'.If we're playing this game, then I'm going with when he blows up the KEN WINS car at the gas station for no real reason.Yeah, that might have been the minute he developed the attitude. Kind of an appetizer before the main course IMO.Not when he defended Jr for putting on his big boy pants? I think it was a gradual transformation.http://vodzilla.co/blog/features/breaking-bad-the-12-step-programme/So I would argue that the moment Walter White became Heisenberg, is when he got out of his car and walked up to the buliding to see Tuco. Not when he killed Crazy 8, not when he blew up Tuco, but when he got out of his car and walked up to the building. That's the moment he didn't give a #### anymore.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
"I f****d Ted"
Great every time
Great every time
cstu
Footballguy
Exactly what caused Jesse to flip out like he did - guilt over the kid who Todd shot at the train? After that he wanted out with his $5M but Walt wouldn't give it to him. When Walt finally gives him the money he goes crazy.Slapdash said:I don't feel bad for Jesse at. He ####ed up a lot of things throughout the series....even with Jane.Ghost Rider said:Seeing the end of Season 2 again makes you feel a lot less bad for Jesse given his current predicament as we head towards the finale. Recapping just the final three of Season 2 alone:
-Showed up high and late to the meeting with Gus, causing Gus to skip even meeting Jesse and Walt.
-After Walt salvaged the deal, Jesse was so zonked out on heroin that he almost caused them to miss out on the 1.2 million dollar deal.
-He allowed Jane to blackmail Walt for the money, by allowing her to threaten him with being outed to the cops and the media.
Well done, Jesse. Always the screw-up.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
I'm really pulling for Jesse. I hope he makes it out alive. :(
Socrates11
Footballguy
Jaysus
Good times!
bostonfred
Footballguy
2) My thoughts on the final episode:
Walt needs to die. This show wouldn't have a satisfying end with him living happily ever after, and going to prison isn't final enough.
There needs to be some attempt at redemption. He's broken bad, so he may not actually get the redemption he wants. But he needs to try, just like he did when he called his wife on a recorded line, or tried to send money to Walter Jr. He wants revenge, sure, but killing the Nazis isn't a satisfying end to the story. He needs to believe he's helping his family.
There also needs to be a sense that his death was justice. If he loaded the guns into his trunk, but died of complications from his cancer before he could use them, it would be a pretty upsetting end to the story. He may have control over how he dies - like everyone seems to be suggesting with taking the ricin - but it has to feel like he had no other choice than to die.
There are two open ends - the weaponry he buys and the ricin. It seems all but impossible for the show to end without a grand fight with the Nazis, and they need to die. I mean, if they survived, it wouldn't complete Walt's arc as a bad guy, and it would feel like a loose end. There's no closure to their arc that ends with them alive. It seems like it needs to be violent and quick, and it almost certainly involves Walt trying to kill them with a machine gun. That could be a red herring, like the burnt pink teddy bear in the swimming pool, but with one episode left, it seems like a foregone conclusion that this fight is going to happen.
Lydia also needs something bad to happen to her, and we need to close the loop on these European buyers. Maybe they kill her, or maybe the Nazis kill her, or maybe Walt kills her with the ricin. But unlike some of the other characters who need to actually die to have their story end, the most satisfying answer for her may be to end up in cuffs. My guess, though, is that she lives, and ends up being the ultimate mistake, after Mike had her dead to rights and Jesse and Walt called him off. Four things that may pop up = her squeamishness about seeing violence despite wanting everyone killed, her kid, her love of chamomile tea that seems so ripe for a ricin'ing, and this strange arc with Todd being sweet on her also seems to need resolution.
We need closure on Walt's family. Marie sucks, and I don't care what happens to her. She's already played her part in screwing over Walt's family, and she got plenty of comeuppance after Hank called her and she rubbed the news in Skyler's face. If she isn't in the final episode, I would consider it a plus, but the most likely scenario to me is that we see her on the sidelines looking at the wreckage when this is all over. She seems like a likely candidate to parent Holly and Walter Jr if they are literally or figuratively orphaned.
Skyler's pretty screwed right now, but this show doesn't stop at pretty screwed. She could walk away unscathed, but that's not satisfying because she was complicit in the scheme and because Walt wants her to get away unscathed. Something bad needs to happen to her. She may be a sympathetic criminal but she's a criminal and she's something Walter White loves. She needs to be a victim and it needs to be grand. Skyler could die, or she could watch one or both of her kids die, but getting sent to prison wouldn't feel like closure and would be a pretty boring denouement.
Walter Jr. was one of the few innocent people in the show, and he doesn't deserve to die, but that doesn't mean he won't. He can't be made whole - he already refused the money, and it seems like a cop out if he ends up getting it once his father dies. There's very little you can do with his character that makes you feel good at the end. It's hard to imagine a scenario where he lives happily ever after. So I'm kind of leaning towards him either dying, or losing his innocence. I'm kind of thinking the latter - he gets involved in the bloodshed of the final episode when his family is threatened, or he somehow brings Walt down.
The same thing goes for Brock, or whatever his name is. The kid could survive all this, but he's a loose end, and it seems like they don't want any loose ends. What happens to him at the end? He could get killed, or he could get money and live happily ever after, or he could end up with Jesse Pinkman. I don't think he gets killed, but where he was just threatened by the nazis, he still plays a part of some kind.
Jesse had a deal with the feds. He might be able to walk away from this. They have a taped confession, and if it led to Walt's capture and conviction, then he could go free and live happily ever after with Brock. He's been beaten down so much, and tried to hard to stop the rollercoaster, that he may have earned his happy ending.
Here's my guess. Walt gets a message to Skyler that he is going to kill the nazis. He goes to their camp and a gunfight ensues. Walt is ill prepared for it, but to his surprise, he finds Jesse, who becomes his accomplice one last time. Together, they are losing to the Nazis, when the feds arrive and complicate the gunfight. Jesse has a chance to kill Walt, but turns him in instead. Todd escapes, and goes to talk to Lydia. Seeing that the Nazis are dead, Skyler tells the authorities about Lydia, which brings her down and shakes the European drug syndicate. Todd threatens to kill Holly, but against all odds, Walter Jr. kills Todd by running him over. Walt is taken into custody, but takes the ricin and dies before he goes to jail. Jesse is questioned about Walt's death after he had previously reported a ricin poisoning, but ultimately goes free for providing the evidence that got Walt convicted, and he lives happily ever after with Brock. The money is confiscated by the feds. Jesse's arc ends with redemption after starting bad, getting worse, and turning good. Skyler's arc ends with her life in shambles, and confusion about Walt's final act of selflessness. Walt's arc ends with him dying of his own actions instead of the cancer.
Walt needs to die. This show wouldn't have a satisfying end with him living happily ever after, and going to prison isn't final enough.
There needs to be some attempt at redemption. He's broken bad, so he may not actually get the redemption he wants. But he needs to try, just like he did when he called his wife on a recorded line, or tried to send money to Walter Jr. He wants revenge, sure, but killing the Nazis isn't a satisfying end to the story. He needs to believe he's helping his family.
There also needs to be a sense that his death was justice. If he loaded the guns into his trunk, but died of complications from his cancer before he could use them, it would be a pretty upsetting end to the story. He may have control over how he dies - like everyone seems to be suggesting with taking the ricin - but it has to feel like he had no other choice than to die.
There are two open ends - the weaponry he buys and the ricin. It seems all but impossible for the show to end without a grand fight with the Nazis, and they need to die. I mean, if they survived, it wouldn't complete Walt's arc as a bad guy, and it would feel like a loose end. There's no closure to their arc that ends with them alive. It seems like it needs to be violent and quick, and it almost certainly involves Walt trying to kill them with a machine gun. That could be a red herring, like the burnt pink teddy bear in the swimming pool, but with one episode left, it seems like a foregone conclusion that this fight is going to happen.
Lydia also needs something bad to happen to her, and we need to close the loop on these European buyers. Maybe they kill her, or maybe the Nazis kill her, or maybe Walt kills her with the ricin. But unlike some of the other characters who need to actually die to have their story end, the most satisfying answer for her may be to end up in cuffs. My guess, though, is that she lives, and ends up being the ultimate mistake, after Mike had her dead to rights and Jesse and Walt called him off. Four things that may pop up = her squeamishness about seeing violence despite wanting everyone killed, her kid, her love of chamomile tea that seems so ripe for a ricin'ing, and this strange arc with Todd being sweet on her also seems to need resolution.
We need closure on Walt's family. Marie sucks, and I don't care what happens to her. She's already played her part in screwing over Walt's family, and she got plenty of comeuppance after Hank called her and she rubbed the news in Skyler's face. If she isn't in the final episode, I would consider it a plus, but the most likely scenario to me is that we see her on the sidelines looking at the wreckage when this is all over. She seems like a likely candidate to parent Holly and Walter Jr if they are literally or figuratively orphaned.
Skyler's pretty screwed right now, but this show doesn't stop at pretty screwed. She could walk away unscathed, but that's not satisfying because she was complicit in the scheme and because Walt wants her to get away unscathed. Something bad needs to happen to her. She may be a sympathetic criminal but she's a criminal and she's something Walter White loves. She needs to be a victim and it needs to be grand. Skyler could die, or she could watch one or both of her kids die, but getting sent to prison wouldn't feel like closure and would be a pretty boring denouement.
Walter Jr. was one of the few innocent people in the show, and he doesn't deserve to die, but that doesn't mean he won't. He can't be made whole - he already refused the money, and it seems like a cop out if he ends up getting it once his father dies. There's very little you can do with his character that makes you feel good at the end. It's hard to imagine a scenario where he lives happily ever after. So I'm kind of leaning towards him either dying, or losing his innocence. I'm kind of thinking the latter - he gets involved in the bloodshed of the final episode when his family is threatened, or he somehow brings Walt down.
The same thing goes for Brock, or whatever his name is. The kid could survive all this, but he's a loose end, and it seems like they don't want any loose ends. What happens to him at the end? He could get killed, or he could get money and live happily ever after, or he could end up with Jesse Pinkman. I don't think he gets killed, but where he was just threatened by the nazis, he still plays a part of some kind.
Jesse had a deal with the feds. He might be able to walk away from this. They have a taped confession, and if it led to Walt's capture and conviction, then he could go free and live happily ever after with Brock. He's been beaten down so much, and tried to hard to stop the rollercoaster, that he may have earned his happy ending.
Here's my guess. Walt gets a message to Skyler that he is going to kill the nazis. He goes to their camp and a gunfight ensues. Walt is ill prepared for it, but to his surprise, he finds Jesse, who becomes his accomplice one last time. Together, they are losing to the Nazis, when the feds arrive and complicate the gunfight. Jesse has a chance to kill Walt, but turns him in instead. Todd escapes, and goes to talk to Lydia. Seeing that the Nazis are dead, Skyler tells the authorities about Lydia, which brings her down and shakes the European drug syndicate. Todd threatens to kill Holly, but against all odds, Walter Jr. kills Todd by running him over. Walt is taken into custody, but takes the ricin and dies before he goes to jail. Jesse is questioned about Walt's death after he had previously reported a ricin poisoning, but ultimately goes free for providing the evidence that got Walt convicted, and he lives happily ever after with Brock. The money is confiscated by the feds. Jesse's arc ends with redemption after starting bad, getting worse, and turning good. Skyler's arc ends with her life in shambles, and confusion about Walt's final act of selflessness. Walt's arc ends with him dying of his own actions instead of the cancer.
Premier
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You guys and this Jesse/Brock thing is just mind numbingly stupid. He's not the kid's father. He's not related in any way. He's a known meth user/seller. He in a not so roundabout way is responsible for the mother's death. He's probably not going to live anyways, but there's a better chance of Hank coming back from the dead than there is of Jesse raising Brock, even if they both live to 90. Good lord.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Nothing NEEDS to happen.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Walt does NOT need to die dammit!
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Nazis NEED to die dammit!
bostonfred
Footballguy
It already did happen. He moved them to a new house and Saul's been giving them his money.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I just hope nothing is as cheesy as the predictions made with a straight face in here.
Not sure whether the cheese predictions or constant #####ing about said predictions is worse.
