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'McJose said:
'biggamer3 said:
'McJose said:
'jamny said:
Why was the baby crying in that scene? There must be a reason for it. Possibly the baby is a mole and was crying to alert Tyrus about their escape.
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The baby crying was foreshadowing the poisoning of Brock...a child in pain. Sky telling the DEA agent how to put in the car-seat was obviously and allusion to her realizing that she may have to find another man to take care of her in the future once Walt is gone. The cigarette she bums, however, was just a smoke.
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Lol Also when Walt Jr says he wants pancakes that is fore shadowing to him working at an Ihop once Walt is dead
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Walt Jr working at IHOP would be rather ironic.
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It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a crutch
 
'TexanFan02 said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Daywalker said:
'Homer J Simpson said:
'Tiger Fan said:
I really wish Gilligan hadn't alluded to the fact that Walt would do something horrible...even though we don't know what that is yet, I wish I didn't know that yet.
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:goodposting: It's the underpinning of every discussion in this thread...really annoying.
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Definetly a misstep.
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It's probably just something innocent like accidentally killing Flynn in a chainsaw mishap.
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You wish. Daaaadddarrrrrggggghhhhh!
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:lmao: :lmao:
 
'Brock Middlebrook said:
'prefontaine said:
Does no one else think that Walt did actually poison the kid? Even Sepenwall points out that there is a large missing section to what happened with Walt and he's supposed to do something to make us hate him. Kinda running out of time on that if it's true. He's totally desperate knowing he's going to die and maybe his family too if he doesn't do something. But he has no shot himself. He needs Jesse. It crossed my mind during the Jesse/Walt scene that this was Walt's plan because how on earth would Fring know about the ricin? I guess I may be reading too much into it though
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I think Walt may very well have poisoned the kid in order to manipulate Jesse into helping him get to Gus.I wonder if, when Gus stopped, he realized the same thing.
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Never thought of that angle. I really hope Gus and his spidey sense has an explanation I can halfway buy. I knew the show couldn't keep topping itself each new week like it has done for the last couple of months. So I will give last night's episode a mulligan. It was earned. Hope the finale has at least one nice payoff. I can't see any of the major players leaving us until next season. You know Walt,Jes, and Gus will be back. Gus is too good to be taken out. Giancarlo Esposito will win a supporting actor award for this season.
 
From a technical standpoint, Walt is the protagonist of the show and everything he has done has been seen by the audience.

If it is discovered that Walt poisoned the boy (off-screen, so to speak) it would go against how his narrative has been shown over all the previous episodes.

 
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
From a technical standpoint, Walt is the protagonist of the show and everything he has done has been seen by the audience.If it is discovered that Walt poisoned the boy (off-screen, so to speak) it would go against how his narrative has been shown over all the previous episodes.
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Agree. Classic screen-play writing rules always apply. There is no secret Walt dealings.
 
'None_More_Black said:
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
From a technical standpoint, Walt is the protagonist of the show and everything he has done has been seen by the audience.If it is discovered that Walt poisoned the boy (off-screen, so to speak) it would go against how his narrative has been shown over all the previous episodes.
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Agree. Classic screen-play writing rules always apply. There is no secret Walt dealings.
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Fair point. I could envision the opening of next week being a scene where you see what happened unfolding. See a close-up of the cig being stolen, can't tell who it is, then before the intro see Walt's face. It just doesn't seem plausible to me that Gus is behind the poisoning. That more than anything is why I think Walt is behind it.
 
So what if, and this is a crazy theory so hear me out, there's no hidden mystery behind the whole poisoning? It's already been spelled out for us in the narrative (Walt helping Jesse figure it out, we knew Gus was going to give a "response," etc.) Is there a reason this particular plot point has to be treated (by us) differently than every other?

If that's the case and next week everything moves along under the assumptions that have already been made clear (but we never see a flashback to Gus or Tyrus poisoning the kid,) is this going to turn into a Sopranos/Members Only jacket thing that will be debated forever?

I'm taking everything at it's face. I took the Gus thing at the end as Gus thinking about how Jesse said the kid was poisoned. That tipped Gus off. Ricin is undetectable, so the doctor's couldn't have figured it out (that quick, at least.) Jesse knowing it was poison means Jesse figured out the poison he was hiding was gone and figuring out it was Gus' response. But Jesse not accusing Gus outright and being pissed at him, was a tip off to Gus that Jesse was hiding something. He just put two and two together as he walked to the car. Then was just simply pondering the situation and what might be the next steps (for him and as well as anticipating Walt and Jesse's next move.) Then he was returning to the hospoital to confront Jesse, maybe?

Maybe the whole "coincedence" of Gus not going to the car was just meant for dramatic effect, not to show Gus as omniscient.

:shrug:

 
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'The Noid said:
So what if, and this is a crazy theory so hear me out, there's no hidden mystery behind the whole poisoning? It's already been spelled out for us in the narrative (Walt helping Jesse figure it out, we knew Gus was going to give a "response," etc.) Is there a reason this particular plot point has to be treated (by us) differently than every other?If that's the case and next week everything moves along under the assumptions that have already been made clear (but we never see a flashback to Gus or Tyrus poisoning the kid,) is this going to turn into a Sopranos/Members Only jacket thing that will be debated forever? I'm taking everything at it's face. I took the Gus thing at the end as Gus thinking about how Jesse said the kid was poisoned. That tipped Gus off. Ricin is undetectable, so the doctor's couldn't have figured it out (that quick, at least.) Jesse knowing it was poison means Jesse figured out the poison he was hiding was gone and figuring out it was Gus' response. But Jesse not accusing Gus outright and being pissed at him, was a tip off to Gus that Jesse was hiding something. He just put two and two together as he walked to the car. Then was just simply pondering the situation and what might be the next steps (for him and as well as anticipating Walt and Jesse's next move.) Then he was returning to the hospoital to confront Jesse, maybe?Maybe the whole "coincedence" of Gus not going to the car was just meant for dramatic effect, not to show Gus as omniscient. :shrug:
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Reasonable explanation.
 
'The Noid said:
So what if, and this is a crazy theory so hear me out, there's no hidden mystery behind the whole poisoning? It's already been spelled out for us in the narrative (Walt helping Jesse figure it out, we knew Gus was going to give a "response," etc.) Is there a reason this particular plot point has to be treated (by us) differently than every other?If that's the case and next week everything moves along under the assumptions that have already been made clear (but we never see a flashback to Gus or Tyrus poisoning the kid,) is this going to turn into a Sopranos/Members Only jacket thing that will be debated forever? I'm taking everything at it's face. I took the Gus thing at the end as Gus thinking about how Jesse said the kid was poisoned. That tipped Gus off. Ricin is undetectable, so the doctor's couldn't have figured it out (that quick, at least.) Jesse knowing it was poison means Jesse figured out the poison he was hiding was gone and figuring out it was Gus' response. But Jesse not accusing Gus outright and being pissed at him, was a tip off to Gus that Jesse was hiding something. He just put two and two together as he walked to the car. Then was just simply pondering the situation and what might be the next steps (for him and as well as anticipating Walt and Jesse's next move.) Then he was returning to the hospoital to confront Jesse, maybe?Maybe the whole "coincedence" of Gus not going to the car was just meant for dramatic effect, not to show Gus as omniscient. :shrug:
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The way he looked at his car led me to be to believe he realized he may be walking into a trap. I am just going to take things at face value and enjoy the ride.
 
Instead of guessing, you guys should listen to Gilligan's podcast and he with Aaron a their editor talk about this last episode and who did what.

 
'Charlie Frown said:
'The Noid said:
So what if, and this is a crazy theory so hear me out, there's no hidden mystery behind the whole poisoning? It's already been spelled out for us in the narrative (Walt helping Jesse figure it out, we knew Gus was going to give a "response," etc.) Is there a reason this particular plot point has to be treated (by us) differently than every other?If that's the case and next week everything moves along under the assumptions that have already been made clear (but we never see a flashback to Gus or Tyrus poisoning the kid,) is this going to turn into a Sopranos/Members Only jacket thing that will be debated forever? I'm taking everything at it's face. I took the Gus thing at the end as Gus thinking about how Jesse said the kid was poisoned. That tipped Gus off. Ricin is undetectable, so the doctor's couldn't have figured it out (that quick, at least.) Jesse knowing it was poison means Jesse figured out the poison he was hiding was gone and figuring out it was Gus' response. But Jesse not accusing Gus outright and being pissed at him, was a tip off to Gus that Jesse was hiding something. He just put two and two together as he walked to the car. Then was just simply pondering the situation and what might be the next steps (for him and as well as anticipating Walt and Jesse's next move.) Then he was returning to the hospoital to confront Jesse, maybe?Maybe the whole "coincedence" of Gus not going to the car was just meant for dramatic effect, not to show Gus as omniscient. :shrug:
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The way he looked at his car led me to be to believe he realized he may be walking into a trap. I am just going to take things at face value and enjoy the ride.
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It was what Jesse told him that got him thinking. Listen to the podcast and Gilligan addresses this scene.
 
IMO, The discussion in this thread >> this last episode

The last several were so good, this one just didn't have quite the WOW factor for me, but still good viewing.

One question in my mind after reading through you guys' comments. If Walt was responsible for the poisoning, then what is Gus' "response" that we've been waiting for? Has it not happened yet?

 
Something I was thinking about last night has me now thinking that maybe it wasnt Walt who poisoned the kid.

When would he have had time?

Between going to Jesse's house and getting his family under DEA protection, how on earth would he have had time to track down two people that he has never met before (only glanced at once) AND pull off somehow poisoning the kid?

The time frame in the show was ( I think ) one day.

 
'Apple Juice said:
'Maik Jeaunz said:
I still don't buy that Gus knew about the ricin. I think either Walt poisoned the kid, or it was an accident from the kid stealing the smoke.if I'm being naive, so be it.
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Nah, I don't think Gus knew about it either. Walt decided his only hope of survival was to manipulate Jesse, and the audience along with him. When Walt was sitting outside with the gun spinning it, and it finally spun away from him, that signified that it was time to do something about his situation. So he covers all the windows and holes up in the house waiting to die? No, I think he got the kid sick and hoped and prayed it'd be enough to lure Jesse out to his house so he could get inside his head. Also, at the hospital, after Jesse tells his girl that it was Ricin, from that point on you never hear from the girl or the doctor again. Some have mentioned that the reaction to Ricin being in the kid's system would raise some red flags and it's lazy writing for how things played off. It wouldn't be if there isn't Ricin in the kid's system at all, and it's something else that isn't fatal. I'm not certain about what is wrong with the kid. It could be Ricin I suppose. But whatever it is, I almost positive Walt was the one responsible.
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I think this is the most plausible solution.
 
Gus is a smart, long time, meticulous drug dealer.....who folds his clothes and puts towels down before he pukes....Is it outside the realm of possibility that maybe he just has a "sixth sense" in regards to danger?

 
Another thing is if Walt did poison the kid I'd imagine he would be a little bit more on guard with Jesse when he came over. Got to be in your head you might be found out. Instead he just leaves the gun there for Jesse to take. Hard to believe Walt would take such a risk and just leave the gun in Jesse's hand to decide his fate. Walt did not see it coming.

 
"Face Off" is the title of the finale. Very interesting and thanks for posting the 1 minute clip Raiders :thumbup:

LOL at the tote bag sticking to elevator door

 
'Daywalker said:
Another thing is if Walt did poison the kid I'd imagine he would be a little bit more on guard with Jesse when he came over. Got to be in your head you might be found out. Instead he just leaves the gun there for Jesse to take. Hard to believe Walt would take such a risk and just leave the gun in Jesse's hand to decide his fate. Walt did not see it coming.
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Perhaps he meant to leave the gun for Jesse to pick it up. That way he could go into the "Gus is sooooo much smarter than all of us speech". I think that's the first time Walt has praised anyone but himself as being smarter than him. Seems like leaving the gun on the cushion was part of the plan. He needs to get Jesse back on his side and so far his plan worked. Will be interesting if Jesse is told that the boy was not poisoned by Ricin.
 
'Sam Quentin said:
'Walton Goggins said:
"Face Off" is the title of the finale. Very interesting and thanks for posting the 1 minute clip Raiders :thumbup: LOL at the tote bag sticking to elevator door
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I wonder if they are foreshadowing something, like they do with Ted and the rug?
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Bomb blowing up or something that's done by Walt/Jesse which burns Gus's face?Simply a showdown between Gus and Walt?Both?
 
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'Daywalker said:
Another thing is if Walt did poison the kid I'd imagine he would be a little bit more on guard with Jesse when he came over. Got to be in your head you might be found out. Instead he just leaves the gun there for Jesse to take. Hard to believe Walt would take such a risk and just leave the gun in Jesse's hand to decide his fate. Walt did not see it coming.
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I'm still leaning towards Walt doing this, but i don't think that we can rule out a possible third player, like maybe Hector? I have no idea how he would accomplish it, but he certainly has incentive to get revenge on Jesse, Gus and Walt.
 
'Sam Quentin said:
'Daywalker said:
Another thing is if Walt did poison the kid I'd imagine he would be a little bit more on guard with Jesse when he came over. Got to be in your head you might be found out. Instead he just leaves the gun there for Jesse to take. Hard to believe Walt would take such a risk and just leave the gun in Jesse's hand to decide his fate. Walt did not see it coming.
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I'm still leaning towards Walt doing this, but i don't think that we can rule out a possible third player, like maybe Hector? I have no idea how he would accomplish it, but he certainly has incentive to get revenge on Jesse, Gus and Walt.
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Saul.1. He's familiar with the kid because of the checks.2. He bonded with the kid in that one scene at the house.3. if I recall, Saul is not his real name...it's mexican. Forget what episode that was in.4. In the episode where Walt and Jesse take Saul out into the desert he mentions something about being a friend of the cartel.
 
'Sam Quentin said:
'Daywalker said:
Another thing is if Walt did poison the kid I'd imagine he would be a little bit more on guard with Jesse when he came over. Got to be in your head you might be found out. Instead he just leaves the gun there for Jesse to take. Hard to believe Walt would take such a risk and just leave the gun in Jesse's hand to decide his fate. Walt did not see it coming.
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I'm still leaning towards Walt doing this, but i don't think that we can rule out a possible third player, like maybe Hector? I have no idea how he would accomplish it, but he certainly has incentive to get revenge on Jesse, Gus and Walt.
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Do you think we will find out on Sunday or do you think the writers leave it open ended?Also any theories about Mike? Does he return this week?
 
'Dope said:
'Sam Quentin said:
'Daywalker said:
Another thing is if Walt did poison the kid I'd imagine he would be a little bit more on guard with Jesse when he came over. Got to be in your head you might be found out. Instead he just leaves the gun there for Jesse to take. Hard to believe Walt would take such a risk and just leave the gun in Jesse's hand to decide his fate. Walt did not see it coming.
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I'm still leaning towards Walt doing this, but i don't think that we can rule out a possible third player, like maybe Hector? I have no idea how he would accomplish it, but he certainly has incentive to get revenge on Jesse, Gus and Walt.
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Saul.1. He's familiar with the kid because of the checks.2. He bonded with the kid in that one scene at the house.3. if I recall, Saul is not his real name...it's mexican. Forget what episode that was in.4. In the episode where Walt and Jesse take Saul out into the desert he mentions something about being a friend of the cartel.
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Interesting..
 
'jamny said:
'jdoggydogg said:
Fantastic season. One of the best in TV history, for sure :thumbup:
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:goodposting: Not only has the show passed The Wire, imo. This season has passed Season 4 of the Wire too as the best ever. I don't imagine the finale will spoil that feeling.
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I love The Wire, so it's hard to compare the two for me. I think when you're talking about the best series of all time (Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Deadwood, etc.), it's difficult to say which is better. Breaking Bad is incredibly intense - whereas The Wire was more methodical and worked in a nice, evenly-paced atmosphere.
 
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