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'Major said:
'Josie Maran said:
'Carver said:
:hot: "Like'aaa D'had. If' aaa yourgonna buy me auff... like'aaa REALLY buy me auff."
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Your hatred of Flynn is the best part of this thread. :lmao:
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:yes: When I saw Flynn roll up in that Mustang it made me laugh not only b/c it was funny but b/c I thought about Carver and Raider Nation getting all :angry: b/c their villain with MS got a cool present.
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The gangster rap was enough to make ask jerry for a refund. :angry:
 
You guys think we'll see Uncle Tio again? I'm thinking he's due to make an appearance. He knows too much about The Chicken Man and Walt.

 
'Major said:
'Josie Maran said:
'Carver said:
:hot: "Like'aaa D'had. If' aaa yourgonna buy me auff... like'aaa REALLY buy me auff."
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Your hatred of Flynn is the best part of this thread. :lmao:
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:yes: When I saw Flynn roll up in that Mustang it made me laugh not only b/c it was funny but b/c I thought about Carver and Raider Nation getting all :angry: b/c their villain with MS got a cool present.
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Don't lump me in with that meanie Carver, yo. I am sorry the young man has MS and I have never made fun of the way he talks.I just think he's a terrible, unnecessary character.
 
'Raider Nation said:
'Major said:
'Josie Maran said:
'Carver said:
:hot: "Like'aaa D'had. If' aaa yourgonna buy me auff... like'aaa REALLY buy me auff."
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Your hatred of Flynn is the best part of this thread. :lmao:
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:yes: When I saw Flynn roll up in that Mustang it made me laugh not only b/c it was funny but b/c I thought about Carver and Raider Nation getting all :angry: b/c their villain with MS got a cool present.
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Don't lump me in with that meanie Carver, yo. I am sorry the young man has MS and I have never made fun of the way he talks.I just think he's a terrible, unnecessary character.
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He's like Dr. Melfi. Necessary for the first season but nothing more than a crutch (no pun intended) after that.
 
'Thunderlips said:
'Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
I got one for you.How did the truck get pulled over in the beginning of last episode (and the one before that also)?Not like the truck driver would just stop on a deserted highway for no reason.Also do you think the truck driver knows about the drugs? And if not how does he not know that he has two heavy armed men riding in the back?
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How do you hijack a car in the middle of the desert?....they're probably standing out in the middle of the road with assault rifles.To me, Mike being in the back of the first one signifies that this has been going on for a little while. I don't think Gus would have his cleaner riding in the back of a truck as if it were a routine part of his job. I think the driver knew/knows. Wasn't there a conversation between the driver and robber in the first one that tipped the robber off that Mike was in the back?
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If I am a truck driver and I come across three guys with assault rifles in the desert - the last thing I am going to do is STOP - In fact I would go faster.
 
'Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
'Thunderlips said:
'Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
I got one for you.How did the truck get pulled over in the beginning of last episode (and the one before that also)?Not like the truck driver would just stop on a deserted highway for no reason.Also do you think the truck driver knows about the drugs? And if not how does he not know that he has two heavy armed men riding in the back?
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How do you hijack a car in the middle of the desert?....they're probably standing out in the middle of the road with assault rifles.To me, Mike being in the back of the first one signifies that this has been going on for a little while. I don't think Gus would have his cleaner riding in the back of a truck as if it were a routine part of his job. I think the driver knew/knows. Wasn't there a conversation between the driver and robber in the first one that tipped the robber off that Mike was in the back?
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If I am a truck driver and I come across three guys with assault rifles in the desert - the last thing I am going to do is STOP - In fact I would go faster.
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I guess the whole idea is that the robbers just want your stuff...they don't want to kill you. I'm trying to remember the two incidents....and from the first one, it didn't sounds like the drive was going to get killed until the robber knew someone was in the back.
 
I like Mike's little smirk after Jesse worked his way into the tweaker house. I think he's starting to like the kid, in spite of himself.

 
Walt had to know that getting the women to clean up his lab wouldn't be good for their careers/health. It just shows how far he'll go to prove he's in charge.

It was pretty obvious that Walt was going to say "as is" to the car wash guy but I loved what he did with the dollar. "Can you be tough Walt?" I just don't understand how they're going to incorporate running the car wash into the show. Skylar runs it? I guess if they stick with a tight timeline, they may not have to address it.

I don't know if we'll ever find out who the mole is that is tipping off the cartel. The only one that we, the viewers, would know would be Tyrus. It could be anyone though since the product leaves the lab in trays.

People actually read Sepenwall? I tried once with Mad Men and just now with Breaking Bad. All he does is recap the show you just watched. I don't see the point. Who has the time? /rant

Just a great show. Probably best of all time once it's all done.

 
'jamny said:
People actually read Sepenwall? I tried once with Mad Men and just now with Breaking Bad. All he does is recap the show you just watched. I don't see the point. Who has the time? /rant
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:hot: Those sound like fighting words. Around these boards, he's a demagogue of sorts. Don't sweat the technique.
 
'Major said:
'jamny said:
People actually read Sepenwall? I tried once with Mad Men and just now with Breaking Bad. All he does is recap the show you just watched. I don't see the point. Who has the time? /rant
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:hot: Those sound like fighting words. Around these boards, he's a demagogue of sorts. Don't sweat the technique.
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Not that I necessarily agree with the sentiment. But I think the word you were looking for is "demigod."
 
'Christo said:
'Major said:
'jamny said:
People actually read Sepenwall? I tried once with Mad Men and just now with Breaking Bad. All he does is recap the show you just watched. I don't see the point. Who has the time? /rant
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:hot: Those sound like fighting words. Around these boards, he's a demagogue of sorts. Don't sweat the technique.
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Not that I necessarily agree with the sentiment. But I think the word you were looking for is "demigod."
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Now you're just pouring salt in the womb.
 
'jamny said:
Walt had to know that getting the women to clean up his lab wouldn't be good for their careers/health. It just shows how far he'll go to prove he's in charge. It was pretty obvious that Walt was going to say "as is" to the car wash guy but I loved what he did with the dollar. "Can you be tough Walt?" I just don't understand how they're going to incorporate running the car wash into the show. Skylar runs it? I guess if they stick with a tight timeline, they may not have to address it.I don't know if we'll ever find out who the mole is that is tipping off the cartel. The only one that we, the viewers, would know would be Tyrus. It could be anyone though since the product leaves the lab in trays.People actually read Sepenwall? I tried once with Mad Men and just now with Breaking Bad. All he does is recap the show you just watched. I don't see the point. Who has the time? /rantJust a great show. Probably best of all time once it's all done.
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Bagdan really brought it this week.His speech about questioning Walt's toughness, but not Skyler's...awesome. Some insight into Walt's character...that he was kind of a slacker at the car wash...
 
'jamny said:
Walt had to know that getting the women to clean up his lab wouldn't be good for their careers/health. It just shows how far he'll go to prove he's in charge.

It was pretty obvious that Walt was going to say "as is" to the car wash guy but I loved what he did with the dollar. "Can you be tough Walt?" I just don't understand how they're going to incorporate running the car wash into the show. Skylar runs it? I guess if they stick with a tight timeline, they may not have to address it.

I don't know if we'll ever find out who the mole is that is tipping off the cartel. The only one that we, the viewers, would know would be Tyrus. It could be anyone though since the product leaves the lab in trays.

People actually read Sepenwall? I tried once with Mad Men and just now with Breaking Bad. All he does is recap the show you just watched. I don't see the point. Who has the time? /rant

Just a great show. Probably best of all time once it's all done.
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I don't think it mattes. I think the writer was using Bagdan to show us how Walt can't do what Gus does (even though it kind of seems that Walt thinks he can).
 
This past episode was just so amazing in every respect. The POV camera on the end of the shovel. The methhead inside the house. The way they cut away just after Gus asked Mike how the Jesse is doing. The atmosphere of the car wash. Even the discussion between Walt and Walt Jr. Too many to mention.

And "I am the one who knocks" is one of the greatest lines in TV history.

 
'Thunderlips said:
'jamny said:
Walt had to know that getting the women to clean up his lab wouldn't be good for their careers/health. It just shows how far he'll go to prove he's in charge.

It was pretty obvious that Walt was going to say "as is" to the car wash guy but I loved what he did with the dollar. "Can you be tough Walt?" I just don't understand how they're going to incorporate running the car wash into the show. Skylar runs it? I guess if they stick with a tight timeline, they may not have to address it.

I don't know if we'll ever find out who the mole is that is tipping off the cartel. The only one that we, the viewers, would know would be Tyrus. It could be anyone though since the product leaves the lab in trays.

People actually read Sepenwall? I tried once with Mad Men and just now with Breaking Bad. All he does is recap the show you just watched. I don't see the point. Who has the time? /rant

Just a great show. Probably best of all time once it's all done.
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I don't think it mattes. I think the writer was using Bagdan to show us how Walt can't do what Gus does (even though it kind of seems that Walt thinks he can).
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That's what I'm thinking. If next season continues right where this one ends off, it may never make it to a Grand Re-Opening.
 
'Dope said:
Gus = PollosWalt = Car WashJust a thought about the meaning of the car wash.
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:goodposting: I was thinking the same thing after Walt bought the can of coke and the camera briefly panned around showing how huge that place is. I'll be surprised if Walt wanting his own meth lab in the car wash doesn't come up at some point. I've even thought Walt might somehow come in contact with Mexican cartel in hopes of them killing Gus so he can be the king
 
'Walton Goggins said:
'Dope said:
Gus = PollosWalt = Car WashJust a thought about the meaning of the car wash.
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:goodposting: I was thinking the same thing after Walt bought the can of coke and the camera briefly panned around showing how huge that place is. I'll be surprised if Walt wanting his own meth lab in the car wash doesn't come up at some point. I've even thought Walt might somehow come in contact with Mexican cartel in hopes of them killing Gus so he can be the king
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If Gus dies who takes over his legal businesses? A Chicken Brother?
 
'Sam Quentin said:
'Walton Goggins said:
'Dope said:
Gus = PollosWalt = Car WashJust a thought about the meaning of the car wash.
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:goodposting: I was thinking the same thing after Walt bought the can of coke and the camera briefly panned around showing how huge that place is. I'll be surprised if Walt wanting his own meth lab in the car wash doesn't come up at some point. I've even thought Walt might somehow come in contact with Mexican cartel in hopes of them killing Gus so he can be the king
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If Gus dies who takes over his legal businesses? A Chicken Brother?
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Does it matter? :confused:
 
'Sam Quentin said:
'Walton Goggins said:
'Dope said:
Gus = PollosWalt = Car WashJust a thought about the meaning of the car wash.
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:goodposting: I was thinking the same thing after Walt bought the can of coke and the camera briefly panned around showing how huge that place is. I'll be surprised if Walt wanting his own meth lab in the car wash doesn't come up at some point. I've even thought Walt might somehow come in contact with Mexican cartel in hopes of them killing Gus so he can be the king
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If Gus dies who takes over his legal businesses? A Chicken Brother?
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IIRC, there was/is supposed to be a Gus-centric story sometime this year. Gilligan had mentioned that when he referenced the Chicken Brothers franchise.
 
LOS ANGELES - Michael Showers, the "Treme" actor who was found dead in the Mississippi River on Wednesday, died of drowning, the Orleans Parish coroner's office announced on Friday, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

The coroner's office said that an autopsy found no signs of trauma to the actor, who was 45.
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PICHe was 45? He looked 55. I had no idea who this guy was because I never saw Treme, but the article also said he "starred" in Breaking Bad. A quick IMDB search reveals that he played a union rep in one episode. Anyone remember his appearance???

 
'Raider Nation said:
LOS ANGELES - Michael Showers, the "Treme" actor who was found dead in the Mississippi River on Wednesday, died of drowning, the Orleans Parish coroner's office announced on Friday, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

The coroner's office said that an autopsy found no signs of trauma to the actor, who was 45.
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PICHe was 45? He looked 55. I had no idea who this guy was because I never saw Treme, but the article also said he "starred" in Breaking Bad. A quick IMDB search reveals that he played a union rep in one episode. Anyone remember his appearance???
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Had to be the guy on Hank's side of the table after the Jessie beating.
 
Great episode!!!

A lot happened. This episode was good enough that I am willing to overlook Hank's miraculous recovery. Guy goes from bed ridden to back at work in two weeks? That is bad even by tv standards. Like I said the episode was so good i can look over that. Almost to much good stuff. It just kept getting better. I forgot all about Walt blowing up the car about 20 mins in.

These are the episodes which make wish I had just waited until the show was over so I could just pop another dvd in, instead of waiting a week to find out what happens.

 
I can't remember another show that was as consistently great from week to week. I'm loving this season.

Someone mentioned that they thought Gus might have a mole in the DEA. When Gomez and Merkert glanced at each other I wasn't sure if they were telling each other that Hank was crazy, or if they were telling each other that they were going to have to take Hank down.

 
'wildbill said:
I can't remember another show that was as consistently great from week to week. I'm loving this season.Someone mentioned that they thought Gus might have a mole in the DEA. When Gomez and Merkert glanced at each other I wasn't sure if they were telling each other that Hank was crazy, or if they were telling each other that they were going to have to take Hank down.
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Yep, another stellar episode although I thought Hank's detective work was far more miraculous than his recovery......as for the DEA mole, I posted something (last season?) about my suspicions regarding Merkert. We shall see.
 
I feel like, on a weekly basis, I have to share my amazement at how improved Aaron Paul is as an actor. If you go back to the early pages of this thread, most of us were making fun of how bad he was. He must have sold his soul to the devil.

 
Sepinwall:

"Only maybe you got it for the wrong guy." -Mike

"Problem Dog" is the midway point of season 4, and an episode that finds various characters caught halfway between one world and another. Time and again, they're asked to choose whether they're in or they're out. Some choose right away, some choose and then change their mind later, and some act like there's no choice at all.

The man most obviously caught in the middle is Jesse. On one side is Walt: his teacher, his mentor, the man who has repeatedly saved his life, but made that life immeasurably worse.(*) On the other side are Mike and Gus: two men he barely knows, who only a month ago wanted him dead, who lied to his face and had Andrea's brother killed, but who have also showered him with praise and responsibility in recent days in a way that Walt so rarely has, and in a way that only seems like a scam up to a certain point. (Even a man as competent and confident as Mike wouldn't hand a loaded gun to a man he doesn't trust on some level in that setting.)

(*) And those are only the ways he knows of. If Jesse knew about Jane, there would be no choice at all for him.

At first, Jesse chooses Walt, who finally figures out a more effective (if blatant and patronizing) way to talk to his partner. He comes up with a clever way to hide the ricin, and is handed as perfect an opportunity as he is likely to ever have to kill the Chicken Man (two if you count the later moment where Gus has his back turned while Jesse is holding the pistol, but that would have been suicide), and he not only doesn't do it(**), but lies to Walt about the whole thing, and it's still unclear which side he's on, or if even he knows.

(**) Not that I expected him to. Not only is there too much to play out between Walt and Gus, and Hank and Gus, for him to get killed so soon, but I'm conditioned by now to the idea that a Walter White murder plot will never, ever go as planned. It's just not how things work for him.

That's not the only decision Jesse can't quite make. He opens the episode reliving Gale's murder via first-person shooter game, and he's still struggling with how he feels about it. Eventually, he goes back to his old 12-step group - and note that the counselor has to ask him whether he's coming in or not, and that Jesse lingers a bit before deciding - and tells a thinly-disguised version of the story (about the problem dog of the title), hoping for something. Is it counsel? Condemnation? Absolution? He doesn't really know, and eventually lashes out at everybody while hiding behind his "I'm the bad guy" facade, announcing to the room and the counselor why he started coming to the meeting. He doesn't feel any better, but he gets to make other people feel worse, and that's better than the absence of feeling that's so dominated him of late.

Skyler has another moment of doubt when she finally realizes the sheer amount of the money she's going to have to launder. Walt again offers her a chance to back out, and though on some level it's not a real offer - once they bought the car wash, Skyler became complicit in everything and can't really back out - she nonetheless can't bring herself to say anything in response, and simply resumes putting the stacks of cash into the safe.

Gus, meanwhile, thinks he's making an offer to the cartel's representative, but as far as the cartel is concerned, there's no negotiating on their end, but a simple binary question for Gus, to which we are not yet privy. Is it also an in-or-out issue, where he's essentially being told to join or die? Or are they interested in something other than money - like, perhaps, the services of a genius chemist, who once upon a time was headed south of the border under Tuco's watch - to complete Gus's severance package?

One person not fearing any kind of uncertainty about where he stands and what he should do? Well, that would be Hank Schrader, boys and girls.

First Hank goes to Gus's restaurant with Walter Jr. on what seems like an innocuous reconnaissance mission, but turns out to be something with a much more detailed plan. I was so busy being in awe at how smoothly Gus put the idea of a part-time job in Walter Jr.'s head - a job that would give him even more leverage over his most troublesome employee - that I didn't even realize Hank was setting things up to get Gus's fingerprints.

And then Hank returns to the DEA offices in style - having already graduated from the chair to the walker to a quad cane - with a masterful presentation about Gale, Gus, blue meth, air cleaners, vegan bread and all the rest. That little shrug at the end was perfect, because Hank knew he nailed it and didn't even need to gloat about it.

So far, this season has been shaping up as a simple war between Walt and Gus, with Jesse caught in the middle. But now the cartel is a significant player, and the DEA is about to be. In other words, life is about to get very, very messy on "Breaking Bad," and this is a show where the messier it is, the better.

Damn, that was good.

Some other thoughts:

• This episode was not only written by "Breaking Bad" vet Peter Gould, but it was his first directing job in 11 years, and second directing credit ever. He did a terrific job, especially in his work with Aaron Paul and Dean Norris. The one thing I wish that he had done differently as writer, director or whatever, was to not insert those brief shots of Gale into Jesse's video game shooting spree in the teaser. The scene was so clearly evocative of Gale's murder in the way Jesse was standing and holding the gun, and the look in his eyes (and even the way his aim seemed to adjust right at the end, the same way we all wondered if Jesse had wimped out on shooting Gale based on how Vince Gilligan shot the finale) that it wasn't needed.

• During the set visit I went to a few months ago, we had some downtime midway through the day, and the reporters were invited to watch a scene being filmed, something involving Hank visiting the DEA field office. A few other writers went downstairs to watch, but I declined, worried that I might get spoiled on something I wouldn't want to know going into the season. They came back an hour or so later, and one looked at me, shaking his head, and said, "You made the right call. It was Dean Norris doing a four-page monologue explaining everything that's happened so far this season." Having watched the scene in context, I'm even more glad I didn't go, even if I missed the chance to see Norris do it live. (At a dinner with the cast the night before, it was a running gag that Norris always gets stuck with the expository monologues, and according to the reporters who observed it, he nailed this one, doing the whole thing in one take at least a couple of times.

• On the podcast this week, Dan and I talked about Walter Jr.'s fairly marginal role on the show and concluded that it wasn't a case of the writers not knowing what to do with him, but of Walter Jr. having a very specific role (symbol of the family Walt claims he's trying to protect, and a pawn in the fight between Walt and Skyler) and the show wisely not trying to expand that role just for the sake of giving RJ Mitte (who's been quite good, don't get me wrong) to do. But now I wonder if they're going to go through with the idea of Jr. taking that chicken job, or if Hank and Walt simply wouldn't allow it. (Another show might try to do a story where Hank deliberately sends Jr. in undercover, but this doesn't seem at all like that kind of show.) Hmm...

• This was another episode that wasn't really about Walt - except in the sense that every episode is about Walt and the circumstances he's created for those around him - yet it did give him that one great moment with the Dodge in the parking lot. (Accompanied by The Pretenders' kick-### "Boots of Chinese Plastic.") He's been so cooped up all season, kept in check by Gus and emasculated by Skyler, and for once he got to be unfettered and just do whatever he wanted. Of course, doing whatever he wanted ended stupid and destructively - because, again, Walter White plans almost never work out the way he intended. On the plus side, he got to blow up a car again for the first time in a while, and the big where he's sitting casually on the ground talking to the cab dispatcher while waiting for the thing to explode was priceless.

• Two episodes is too long to go without Saul Goodman. Was very nice to have him back tonight, even for just a scene.

• Even Marie's making fun of Bogdan's eyebrows now. Heh.

• I alluded to it before in talking about the direction, but holy cow is Aaron Paul great. Jesse's been in shut-down mode all season, and Paul's been really compelling doing that, but it was so welcome to see him let all his tangled emotions out in the scene with the 12-step group. Hell of an actor, and he had a good partner in Jere Burns as the counselor, who said so much with the quiet way he said "No" in response to Jesse asking if he was okay with all of this.

• Many of you have been speculating since "One Minute" that the head of the DEA field office might be in Gus's pocket. I guess we're about to find out, one way or the other.
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'Don Quixote said:
'Abraham said:
Great episode again. I think I missed something: what is the xartel's yes or Bo question?
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I think wanting permission to kill Walt. Gus denied that permission last season.
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I was thinking take Walt for cooking, rather than kill him. If Gus knows that he has a steady cook in Jesse, plus more loyalty in Jesse, why wouldn't Gus give up Walt? The cartel would probably eventually want more though.
 
'boofatty said:
'Don Quixote said:
'Abraham said:
Great episode again. I think I missed something: what is the xartel's yes or Bo question?
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I think wanting permission to kill Walt. Gus denied that permission last season.
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I was thinking take Walt for cooking, rather than kill him. If Gus knows that he has a steady cook in Jesse, plus more loyalty in Jesse, why wouldn't Gus give up Walt? The cartel would probably eventually want more though.
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The cartel wants to kill Walt because of Tuco. Last season, Gus told the cartel that Walt was too important to him, but would grant permission once Gus no longer needed Walt. That was supposed to be when Gale was able to do the cooking.I don't think Gus knows that about Jesse yet. Gus is definitely trying to turn (or test) Jesse to see if they can trust him though (that's why Mike said something to Jesse about possibly having loyalty to the wrong person last night).
 
At the end, did Hank say that was Gus's fingerprints or one of Gus's friends? I kept watching that scene and it seemed like it was mumbled. Thought first it was Gus's fingerprints (which doesn't seem crazy since he owns the place) then it sounded like Hank said Gus's friend. Which friend?

 
'Raider Nation said:
I feel like, on a weekly basis, I have to share my amazement at how improved Aaron Paul is as an actor. If you go back to the early pages of this thread, most of us were making fun of how bad he was. He must have sold his soul to the devil.
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I've never got the hate Jesse had especially at beginning of the show. He was supposed to play the not too bright, brash meth dealing kid. Expecting him to not act like a clown wouldn't be realistic.
 
'Walton Goggins said:
At the end, did Hank say that was Gus's fingerprints or one of Gus's friends? I kept watching that scene and it seemed like it was mumbled. Thought first it was Gus's fingerprints (which doesn't seem crazy since he owns the place) then it sounded like Hank said Gus's friend. Which friend?
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Gus' fingerprints were in Gale's apartment
 
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