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[Sarnoff]

I dont think Mike needs to partner with them based on his age and his cash. (assuming he empties all of the drops)

The drops could have just been a setup for Jesse. For all we know Gus told Mike to plant all of them the day before to set up the "hero moment".

 

[pantherclub]

Well we really don't know ####. I'll miss him if he goes, what a great supporting character

one of the best.He and saul both. Although the junkyard dude is closing in fast as well

 

[pantherclub]

I dont think Mike needs to partner with them based on his age and his cash. (assuming he empties all of the drops)

The drops could have just been a setup for Jesse. For all we know Gus told Mike to plant all of them the day before to set up the "hero moment".

I hear you and you make sense......but you would think that they would have at least been alluded to by at least Jesse.

 

[Sarnoff]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

 

[pantherclub]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

 

[Sarnoff]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

the whole point of the show is to see the guy go from being a high school teacher to a drug kingpin.he's going to want to take over Gus's role eventually.the car wash is way beneath him now.

 

[pollardsvision]

No idea what'll happen, but how is it even possible that Mike doesn't have a nice retirement saved up?

We know he was making less than Walt, but probably still quite a bit of money. Likely, he's either been working with Gus for a very long time or he's got a decent police pension.

He drives a mid 80's Buick or Olds. It appears his entire wardrobe consists of one outfit bought over a decade ago. He doesn't appear to have a gambling/drug/hooker problem.

I'm guessing he takes good care of his son or daughter and granddaughter. Maybe he's got an alimony payment, that I'm sure is based on a fraction of his real income.

Obviously, I don't want him to go away, but it does seem odd that he doesn't pop a cap in Walt's Breathright bandage and call it a day.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

Seriously? This is the show.

 

[Don Quixote]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

plus greed?

 

[Zow]

Finally all caught up now after a frantic week of watching episode 4. Still really surprised at the almost full circle development of Walt's character - almost to the point where I was in denial when shown the Lilly of the Valley (or whatever that plant is called) at the end of 4.13.

One thing stuck out though - in the flashback scene with head cartel guy (from Scarface) and the chicken brothers the boss mentions Gus's past in Chile and insinuates it is why he can't kill him. Was his Chilean past ever revealed? Sounded to me like he had connected parents or something.

 

[Sarnoff]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?

OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

Seriously? This is the show.

I still see Walt coming up with ways to justify what he does within some kind of moral framework. "I do X to save my family" kind of reasons, not "I'll do X because F you, I'm the boss, that's why." I get that that's where he's moving toward, and there have been more and more hints of him getting closer ("I won", and the magnet works "because I said so", and his decision not to move back in) but I'm still not 100% convinced that at the current moment in time Walt is fully ready to commit to being a kingpin just to do it, minus some additional force pushing him in that direction.

Edit: said additional force need not be anything serious or even true, just enough to allow him to justify it to himself.

 

[FatMax]

Finally all caught up now after a frantic week of watching episode 4. Still really surprised at the almost full circle development of Walt's character - almost to the point where I was in denial when shown the Lilly of the Valley (or whatever that plant is called) at the end of 4.13.

One thing stuck out though - in the flashback scene with head cartel guy (from Scarface) and the chicken brothers the boss mentions Gus's past in Chile and insinuates it is why he can't kill him. Was his Chilean past ever revealed? Sounded to me like he had connected parents or something.

IIRC, he didn't insinuate that he couldn't kill him, just that he wouldn't. He stated that he knew how Gus was, but not the other hermano. That's why Gus was saved.

 

[FatMax]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?

OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

Seriously? This is the show.

I still see Walt coming up with ways to justify what he does within some kind of moral framework. "I do X to save my family" kind of reasons, not "I'll do X because F you, I'm the boss, that's why." I get that that's where he's moving toward, and there have been more and more hints of him getting closer ("I won", and the magnet works "because I said so", and his decision not to move back in) but I'm still not 100% convinced that at the current moment in time Walt is fully ready to commit to being a kingpin just to do it, minus some additional force pushing him in that direction.

Additional force = cancer returning. Book it.

 

[Apple Jack]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

Seriously? This is the show.

To date. I'm with Sarnoff. Obviously, it's unlikely that they write the rest of the show with Walt just running a legit business, but I think that he'll at least give that a shot until something comes up. That character, while he has plenty of blind spots, isn't an idiot and a seemingly free and clear way out with a legit business to support him family...it would be a logical decision. Much more so than going back to cooking just because he's wicked awesome crazy ego guy. He's had his fun, he "won", and so he at least needs to try to live normally given the window of opportunity in front of him as he sees it with the evidence destroyed. From a writing standpoint, that makes more sense. That's not to say that other factors, including eventual boredom, won't conspire to alter than plan.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

If Ted hasn't paid the IRS yet, shouldn't they still be able to get that money back from him somehow?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If Ted hasn't paid the IRS yet, shouldn't they still be able to get that money back from him somehow?

One of Saul's guys said the check had been mailed.

 

[Zow]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?

OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

Seriously? This is the show.

I still see Walt coming up with ways to justify what he does within some kind of moral framework. "I do X to save my family" kind of reasons, not "I'll do X because F you, I'm the boss, that's why." I get that that's where he's moving toward, and there have been more and more hints of him getting closer ("I won", and the magnet works "because I said so", and his decision not to move back in) but I'm still not 100% convinced that at the current moment in time Walt is fully ready to commit to being a kingpin just to do it, minus some additional force pushing him in that direction.

Additional force = cancer returning. Book it.

Yep. And at that point he'll have nothing to lose. His recent actions have made it pretty clear he loves the ego stroke of being a mastermind, may as well go down in a blaze of glory while making as much coin as possible. That, or Walt Jr. gets seriously hurt and it pushes Walt over the ledge.

What I'm curious about/to see is whether he'll have some deathbed repetence or Gilligan will have him die alone with nothing.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

If Ted hasn't paid the IRS yet, shouldn't they still be able to get that money back from him somehow?

One of Saul's guys said the check had been mailed.

oh yeah.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Finally all caught up now after a frantic week of watching episode 4. Still really surprised at the almost full circle development of Walt's character - almost to the point where I was in denial when shown the Lilly of the Valley (or whatever that plant is called) at the end of 4.13.

One thing stuck out though - in the flashback scene with head cartel guy (from Scarface) and the chicken brothers the boss mentions Gus's past in Chile and insinuates it is why he can't kill him. Was his Chilean past ever revealed? Sounded to me like he had connected parents or something.

IIRC, he didn't insinuate that he couldn't kill him, just that he wouldn't. He stated that he knew how Gus was, but not the other hermano. That's why Gus was saved.

The other hermano was killed in Mexico I believe, it was Gus' gay lover cook

 

[Jed]

Without a new super-lab they won't be able to cook at the level they'll need to, and that's not something that is easily rebuilt. Remember how much trouble they had getting the tools and chemicals they needed in season 1-2? How are they going to go about it now?

How about a lab under the car wash? If a laundromat needs heavy duty chemicals, maybe a car wash does too? Crazy thought. They are going to have to cook again, and I don't see cocky Walt going back to cooking in an RV in the middle of the desert.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Walt cant go back now. He is too invested in himself. There are things from his past that he regrets that cancer made him realize. Once he started down the path, he wasnt going back. He has something to prove.

 

[FatMax]

Without a new super-lab they won't be able to cook at the level they'll need to, and that's not something that is easily rebuilt. Remember how much trouble they had getting the tools and chemicals they needed in season 1-2? How are they going to go about it now?

How about a lab under the car wash? If a laundromat needs heavy duty chemicals, maybe a car wash does too? Crazy thought. They are going to have to cook again, and I don't see cocky Walt going back to cooking in an RV in the middle of the desert.

My prediction: Walt get's the Madrigal Electric (or whatever the German company name is that owns Los Pollos Hermanos) to sponsor him and build a new lab.

 

[Jed]

I felt that Walt's dialogue felt overly dramatic and forced. I know he's the big boss now and all, but just hope the writters don't overdo it for the rest of the season.

A Mike based spin-off where he goes around fixing problems would be really fun.

I actually think that is the point. He is trying to act like a kingpin. This while he still can't even enjoy a celebration glass of booze before panicking about the flowers. He isn't in control yet but wants so badly to be. So he oversells it.

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him. (I think we will see some Mike flashbacks this year, we don't know much about his background and he's obviously a fan favorite)By the way, the MIL spoiler a couple pages back is dead on IMO. We still don't know who alerted Hank and that would make perfect sense.

 

[pollardsvision]

You think they stop cooking meth now, and don't even try to fill the void they created?

OK Not like I know how that #### works, I just figured that's what the show is about

Even though Walt is close to "broke", I think we'll need to see some sufficient motivation come in that convinces him to keep cooking now that he can presumably 'get out' and just live off of car wash income. Skyler said they were close to turning a profit there without the laundering.

ego brah, ego

Yes, there's that, but I don't know if I would buy that ego, alone, would have the Walt character return to cooking & becoming the void-filling drug lord. I think the writers will have to come up with something more than that to sell it.

Seriously? This is the show.

To date. I'm with Sarnoff. Obviously, it's unlikely that they write the rest of the show with Walt just running a legit business, but I think that he'll at least give that a shot until something comes up. That character, while he has plenty of blind spots, isn't an idiot and a seemingly free and clear way out with a legit business to support him family...it would be a logical decision. Much more so than going back to cooking just because he's wicked awesome crazy ego guy. He's had his fun, he "won", and so he at least needs to try to live normally given the window of opportunity in front of him as he sees it with the evidence destroyed. From a writing standpoint, that makes more sense. That's not to say that other factors, including eventual boredom, won't conspire to alter than plan.

We've been through this. It was a season and a half ago.When Walt had enough money, no cancer, and his wife still didn't know. Gus didn't have to try very hard to get Walt back in the game.

Walt is well past the point of needing, or even pretending to have, a nice ethical, excusable reason to be a criminal.

It makes good sense to get out now, but he won't. And there won't be any hemming and hawing this time.

 

[Zow]

Finally all caught up now after a frantic week of watching episode 4. Still really surprised at the almost full circle development of Walt's character - almost to the point where I was in denial when shown the Lilly of the Valley (or whatever that plant is called) at the end of 4.13.

One thing stuck out though - in the flashback scene with head cartel guy (from Scarface) and the chicken brothers the boss mentions Gus's past in Chile and insinuates it is why he can't kill him. Was his Chilean past ever revealed? Sounded to me like he had connected parents or something.

IIRC, he didn't insinuate that he couldn't kill him, just that he wouldn't. He stated that he knew how Gus was, but not the other hermano. That's why Gus was saved.

The other hermano was killed in Mexico I believe, it was Gus' gay lover cook

Right, in the pool, with Gus right there. But the boss guy said something to Gus about his past from Chile and that he "knew who he was" and I took that Gus's past is what essentially saved him from being killed too. I have been wondering when they'll reveal what his Chilean past was exactly but now that he is dead it seems kinda moot......unless Gus's relatives from Chile come to get revenge on Walt.

 

[Wingnut]

This is the first show I've ever watched that I dont watch next weeks previews for. I dont wanna know anything beforehand.

 

[Raider Nation]

Finally all caught up now after a frantic week of watching episode 4. Still really surprised at the almost full circle development of Walt's character - almost to the point where I was in denial when shown the Lilly of the Valley (or whatever that plant is called) at the end of 4.13.

One thing stuck out though - in the flashback scene with head cartel guy (from Scarface) and the chicken brothers the boss mentions Gus's past in Chile and insinuates it is why he can't kill him. Was his Chilean past ever revealed? Sounded to me like he had connected parents or something.

IIRC, he didn't insinuate that he couldn't kill him, just that he wouldn't. He stated that he knew how Gus was, but not the other hermano. That's why Gus was saved.

The other hermano was killed in Mexico I believe, it was Gus' gay lover cook

Right, in the pool, with Gus right there. But the boss guy said something to Gus about his past from Chile and that he "knew who he was" and I took that Gus's past is what essentially saved him from being killed too. I have been wondering when they'll reveal what his Chilean past was exactly

There is evidence of Gus having been a player either with the Chilean government, or cartel, or both.

Gus left Chile in 1986, the same year in which the Manuel Rodríguez Patriotic Front attempted to assassinate Pinochet. Although there are no existing Chilean records of Gus, there are two instances which demonstrate his likely involvement in the Pinochet government: Hector Salamanca refers to Gus as "Grand Generalissimo" in the flashback and Don Eladio tells Gus that he is "not in Chile anymore" but spares his life because he knows who Gus really is.

 

[wildbill]

Another thing that sux is I am used to watching 3-4 episodes a clip since I got started later with this show. Watching 1 episode at a time also not the most fun way to watch the show. Might have to wait until they get to the final 8 or something.

I like having a week in between episodes to digest what just happened.

 

[wildbill]

Do not discuss anything in this thread that has been revealed by a "spoiler".

I'd even go so far as to say start up a BREAKING BAD SPOILER thread to discuss all this stuff if you want - when people use spoiler tags in thread you get people respond with spoiler tags and you always get that knucklehead that doesn't know how to use spoiler tags and just starts discussing the information openly. I know I'm not alone here in that there are at least a few people in this thread that enjoy watching the show week-to-week without any insider information and try to avoid any and all spoiler information even if it means not watching anything on AMC until after BB is shown ending that week.

 

[wildbill]

My theory about Mike shooting Jesse while they were down in Mexico has been completely disproven. If he was unwilling to shoot him out in the desert, along with Walt, he was never going to do it.

I'm not sure why Ted is so afraid. Skyler sent goons over to his house, but they're not the ones who put him in the hospital. Does he not remember that he tripped and fell?

In that flash-forward opening, didn't Walt look like that guy from Jesse's party last season? I think at the time people were wondering if it was actually Cranston.

Edit: found a photo

 

[Wingnut]

Another thing that sux is I am used to watching 3-4 episodes a clip since I got started later with this show. Watching 1 episode at a time also not the most fun way to watch the show. Might have to wait until they get to the final 8 or something.

I like having a week in between episodes to digest what just happened.

I watched seasons one through four in a couple weeks so I could watch season five live, but I think it would have been much better having to wait a week in between. Watching many at a time takes away the whole anticipation/speculation/digestion thing. I did what I had to do but I really wish I had been watching from the get go.

 

[identikit]

Cranston wasn't the first choice to play Walt:

John Cusack, Matthew Broderick

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him.

Not sure how you call Walt a coward. He walked right into Tuco's den. He put his life on the line to save Jesse's. He just got done raiding a police station. He's not the badass he's pretending to be, but he's not a coward either.

 

[Raider Nation]

Cranston wasn't the first choice to play Walt:

John Cusack, Matthew Broderick

Weird. Strange timing. I was just wondering to myself yesterday if the execs had someone else in mind to play Walt or Hank. I could see a big name reading the script and saying ...."Really? A chemistry teacher starts cooking meth? "

BTW, I could definitely see Cusack pulling off the role. Ferris? Not so much.

 

[Christo]

Cranston wasn't the first choice to play Walt:

John Cusack, Matthew Broderick

Weird. Strange timing. I was just wondering to myself yesterday if the execs had someone else in mind to play Walt or Hank. I could see a big name reading the script and saying ...."Really? A chemistry teacher starts cooking meth? "

BTW, I could definitely see Cusack pulling off the role. Ferris? Not so much.

I bet they both could have pulled it off. But even if they did, it wouldn't have been quite as good as having someone not as well known. It's just a little more special having a great character become an actor's defining role.

 

[Jed]

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him.

Not sure how you call Walt a coward. He walked right into Tuco's den. He put his life on the line to save Jesse's. He just got done raiding a police station. He's not the badass he's pretending to be, but he's not a coward either.

He only did those things to protect his own interests - at that point he felt he had nothing to lose. And I hope you are not intimating he cares about Jesse? He'd off Jesse in a heartbeat if he thinks that's what he should do (and he still might). I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I can't stand Walt. I think this show has revealed that deep down Jesse is the one that has a shred of human decency.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Do not discuss anything in this thread that has been revealed by a "spoiler".

I'd even go so far as to say start up a BREAKING BAD SPOILER thread to discuss all this stuff if you want - when people use spoiler tags in thread you get people respond with spoiler tags and you always get that knucklehead that doesn't know how to use spoiler tags and just starts discussing the information openly. I know I'm not alone here in that there are at least a few people in this thread that enjoy watching the show week-to-week without any insider information and try to avoid any and all spoiler information even if it means not watching anything on AMC until after BB is shown ending that week.

This is true but I opted not to show up in this thread until page whatever...I don't think it is the duty of the FFA to keep things secret on shows that have already aired...if you don't want spoilers don't show up in the thread. I do understand how Jojo feels but I knew better than to come in here and ask folks not to reveal spoilers.

 

[badmojo1006]

Cranston wasn't the first choice to play Walt:

John Cusack, Matthew Broderick

Weird. Strange timing. I was just wondering to myself yesterday if the execs had someone else in mind to play Walt or Hank. I could see a big name reading the script and saying ...."Really? A chemistry teacher starts cooking meth? "

BTW, I could definitely see Cusack pulling off the role. Ferris? Not so much.

Cusack, of course he would have been great. Broderick, I think we would have surprised us. Maybe not as good as Cranston turned out, but I think he has it in him to pull off Heisenberg.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I also am in the camp that Walter is a 1st class ###. Was I the only person who was almost rooting for Gus? I was torn who to root for in that mess. Gus had a successful Meth business for 10-20 years until Walter became the full time cook. Walt basically is responsible for everyone who died on the commercial airliner, he kills whenever it is convenient, uses Jesse and he lies lies lies. That whole story he concocted about Gus towards the end was to simple gain the trust of Jesse back.

Mike sees Walt for what he is, surprised he didn't just put a bullet in him and then deal with Jesse after. Someone mentioned a show with Mike as the min character, agreed.

And I'm sure everyone remembers Mike getting punched by Axel Foley and wearing the buffet after in BHC. Great character actor.

 

[Barry]

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him.

Not sure how you call Walt a coward. He walked right into Tuco's den. He put his life on the line to save Jesse's. He just got done raiding a police station. He's not the badass he's pretending to be, but he's not a coward either.

He only did those things to protect his own interests - at that point he felt he had nothing to lose. And I hope you are not intimating he cares about Jesse? He'd off Jesse in a heartbeat if he thinks that's what he should do (and he still might). I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I can't stand Walt. I think this show has revealed that deep down Jesse is the one that has a shred of human decency.

I don't like Walt anymore either. Never liked Jesse, the sisters from hell, or Walt jr. I hated Hank early on. I found his cool guy "heybuddy" personality annoying. Saul, Gus, Tuco, Hector and the brothers were awesome characters.

 

[Raider Nation]

I really hope we don't look back at THE MAGNET as this show's Jump The Shark moment.

It was fun, but utterly ridiculous.

 

[wildbill]

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him.

Not sure how you call Walt a coward. He walked right into Tuco's den. He put his life on the line to save Jesse's. He just got done raiding a police station. He's not the badass he's pretending to be, but he's not a coward either.

He only did those things to protect his own interests - at that point he felt he had nothing to lose. And I hope you are not intimating he cares about Jesse? He'd off Jesse in a heartbeat if he thinks that's what he should do (and he still might).

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I can't stand Walt. I think this show has revealed that deep down Jesse is the one that has a shred of human decency.

Walt has risked his life to save Jesse's at least three times. When they were kidnapped by Tuco, Walt told him they were a team and that he couldn't cook without Jesse. When Jesse was about to get killed by the two dealers, it was Walt who drove in and saved him. When they were in the lab after they killed Gale, Walt told Gus, "you kill Jesse, you don't have me."That doesn't mean Walt won't kill him at some point, but up until now he's done a lot to prove that he cares about Jesse.

 

[Marvin]

I really hope we don't look back at THE MAGNET as this show's Jump The Shark moment.

It was fun, but utterly ridiculous.

Worse than the turtle head bomb?

 

[wildbill]

Do not discuss anything in this thread that has been revealed by a "spoiler".

I'd even go so far as to say start up a BREAKING BAD SPOILER thread to discuss all this stuff if you want - when people use spoiler tags in thread you get people respond with spoiler tags and you always get that knucklehead that doesn't know how to use spoiler tags and just starts discussing the information openly. I know I'm not alone here in that there are at least a few people in this thread that enjoy watching the show week-to-week without any insider information and try to avoid any and all spoiler information even if it means not watching anything on AMC until after BB is shown ending that week.

This is true but I opted not to show up in this thread until page whatever...I don't think it is the duty of the FFA to keep things secret on shows that have already aired...if you don't want spoilers don't show up in the thread. I do understand how Jojo feels but I knew better than to come in here and ask folks not to reveal spoilers.

We're talking about spoilers for shows that haven't aired yet.

 

[Raider Nation]

I really hope we don't look back at THE MAGNET as this show's Jump The Shark moment.

It was fun, but utterly ridiculous.

Worse than the turtle head bomb?

Ridiculous or not... that was AWESOME!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him.

Not sure how you call Walt a coward. He walked right into Tuco's den. He put his life on the line to save Jesse's. He just got done raiding a police station. He's not the badass he's pretending to be, but he's not a coward either.

He only did those things to protect his own interests - at that point he felt he had nothing to lose. And I hope you are not intimating he cares about Jesse? He'd off Jesse in a heartbeat if he thinks that's what he should do (and he still might). I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I can't stand Walt. I think this show has revealed that deep down Jesse is the one that has a shred of human decency.

How did running down those two dealers to save Jesse's life protect his own interest? It put him in a world of trouble with Gus when he could have just cut ties and let Jesse get killed.

 

[wildbill]

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him.

Not sure how you call Walt a coward. He walked right into Tuco's den. He put his life on the line to save Jesse's. He just got done raiding a police station. He's not the badass he's pretending to be, but he's not a coward either.

He only did those things to protect his own interests - at that point he felt he had nothing to lose. And I hope you are not intimating he cares about Jesse? He'd off Jesse in a heartbeat if he thinks that's what he should do (and he still might). I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I can't stand Walt. I think this show has revealed that deep down Jesse is the one that has a shred of human decency.

How did running down those two dealers to save Jesse's life protect his own interest? It put him in a world of trouble with Gus when he could have just cut ties and let Jesse get killed.

When Jesse was in the hospital and threatening to give Walt up if the cops ever caught him, Saul wanted to kill him then, but Walt wouldn't go for it.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think that's the point too. Trying to be a tough guy when he's deep down just a coward - and he knows it. Mike knows it too, he's not the least bit afraid of him.

Not sure how you call Walt a coward. He walked right into Tuco's den. He put his life on the line to save Jesse's. He just got done raiding a police station. He's not the badass he's pretending to be, but he's not a coward either.

He only did those things to protect his own interests - at that point he felt he had nothing to lose. And I hope you are not intimating he cares about Jesse? He'd off Jesse in a heartbeat if he thinks that's what he should do (and he still might). I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I can't stand Walt. I think this show has revealed that deep down Jesse is the one that has a shred of human decency.

How did running down those two dealers to save Jesse's life protect his own interest? It put him in a world of trouble with Gus when he could have just cut ties and let Jesse get killed.

When Jesse was in the hospital and threatening to give Walt up if the cops ever caught him, Saul wanted to kill him then, but Walt wouldn't go for it.

Exactly. He also told Gus that he wouldn't have him without Jesse shortly before Gus applies his box cutter to Victor's throat.

 

[Jed]

That doesn't mean Walt won't kill him at some point, but up until now he's done a lot to prove that he cares about Jesse.

This sentence is funny... kind of proves the point.