Sebowski
Footballguy
I agree with this and thought the season would start with him trying to make it staright and then getting sucked back in. Then I saw a "meaningless preview" and that poster and knew it wasn't going to be the case.
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Breaking Bad on AMC (6 Viewers)
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Sarnoff
Footballguy
Heck, I think Walt never psychologically dealt with his suicide attempt. Perhaps he's thinking that since he pulled the trigger but lived, anything that happens after that is "playing with house money"... like he's thinking 'if I had it my way, I'd be a dead body in my underpants in the desert, so anything after that moment is gravy.'
corpcow
Footballguy
While I am an avid Google Voice user myself for many years, yes, this is possible. It also probably defeats the point of a burner, since it would be semi-traceable.
bonesman
Footballguy
This week was the first week he's had a goatee right? Only bad guys wear goatees. He's definitely a baddie.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
You pointed out earlier Jesse/Flynn being Heisenberg/Walt's son. It seems perfectly reasonable to look at Walt's development as alternating between each persona. A duel between good and evil. Walt has morals, ethic boundaries, and wants to do the 'right' thing. Heisenberg is ruthless, manipulative, cunning, and wants to be the swinging **** everyone envies. In season 1 he was mostly Walt but Heisenberg would pop out when necessary. As the series has progressed, he's been Walt less and less while Heisenberg has become the dominant personality.Walt wanted to leave. He tried fleeing the city but couldn't because there wasn't enough cash. When that happened Walt 'died'. The laughter was the dying breath of Walt as Heisenberg took over for good. He doesn't go through the pretense of wanting out because he doesn't want out. Walt would try bowing out for his family. But Walt no longer exists. It's now Heisenberg. And Heisenberg has no interest/need to lie to himself. He is exactly the villain he wants to be. And he's totally okay with it.
How would it be semi-tracable?A person can sign up for a Google account completely anonymously using a fake name, etc. Do it from a Starbucks and the IP address won't identify you.
identikit
Footballguy
Or just have a bunch of burners available.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I know I'm in the minority on this, but I think Jesse's loyalty should be wavering a great deal at this point (even if he never finds out about the big betrayals).It was, what, a week ago, that Jesse beat Walt to a pulp and was about to kill Walt because he immediately knew it was Walt that poisoned the kid (he was manipulated, but his instinct was not to trust Walt).Walt's treatment of Jesse all though Season 4 was simply nuts. He belittled him and badgered him all season long. I think it's clear that a part of Jesse sees that Mike is right about Walt. I can't believe that he isn't getting close to the point of realizing that Walt will never respect him or give him his due. It isn't really about the betrayals. It's about Walt being an egomaniacal ##### that absolutely sucks to work with, serves no purpose anymore, and is a huge liability. I also have a feeling that Jesse didn't buy the Roomba bit.
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Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
It's not you unless indentikit is an alias of yours:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=454875&view=findpost&p=14565481He replies to a post with spoiler and just plainly comments on what was in the spoiler tag.
...and people may argue that wasn't a huge OMG SPOILER. But its the tip of the iceberg and something I would have preferred not to know that
the wife of the DEA agent is on to Skyler/Walt about where the money came from to pay for Hank's hospital bills, quite possibly because Hank wants to know how they got paid.
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It's a silly request. You may as well ask the networks not to air those. They give away nothing hence they can't be spoilers.'wildbill said:
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corpcow
Footballguy
He was replying to a post of mine, which is what I said was a quote from Mike that I thought was in the episode. Not the other thing you're talking about.'Jojo the circus boy said:It's not you unless indentikit is an alias of yours:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=454875&view=findpost&p=14565481He replies to a post with spoiler and just plainly comments on what was in the spoiler tag.
the wife of the DEA agent is on to Skyler/Walt about where the money came from to pay for Hank's hospital bills, quite possibly because Hank wants to know how they got paid.
I did not watch the trailer for next week because I do not want to know what happens in next week's episode. Moreover, I'm sure it goes without saying that I am definitely not going to watch next week's episode. That would defeat the whole purpose of avoiding the trailer!
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Sebowski
Footballguy
Sure they do.
They show them in a new lab. We had no idea that was going to happen so fast. They show Marie demanding to know "the truth". It showed Mike confronting Walt.
I also don't watch previews for movies if I know I am going to see it. What's the point? Everything is better when it comes at you organically. Hitchcock refused to have previews or story lines released for Physcho because he wanted the audience along for the entire ride. Its much more fun that way.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I like the part in the preview where Jr ate breakfast.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Crap.....sorryIt was Cheerios with a small glass of OJ and some berries arranged in a smiley face.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
A couple of random thoughts since last night:
- Would Hank (or his superiors) really have been able to compel the authorities in the Cayman Islands to give up Fring's banking information? That's kind of why people hide their money in the Cayman Islands, no? Because it's safe and confidential?
- I know it's rewriting the show, and maybe I'm being naive, but when Hank dropped the bomb on Mike about Gus having $2M in his account in Mike's granddaughter's name, all he had to do was say "Wow, what a nice surprise. Gus really must have been fond of her. I had no idea."
Mike did in fact say he didn't know anything about it, but Hank could tell that the intel rocked him a bit.
- Would Hank (or his superiors) really have been able to compel the authorities in the Cayman Islands to give up Fring's banking information? That's kind of why people hide their money in the Cayman Islands, no? Because it's safe and confidential?
- I know it's rewriting the show, and maybe I'm being naive, but when Hank dropped the bomb on Mike about Gus having $2M in his account in Mike's granddaughter's name, all he had to do was say "Wow, what a nice surprise. Gus really must have been fond of her. I had no idea."
Mike did in fact say he didn't know anything about it, but Hank could tell that the intel rocked him a bit.
identikit
Footballguy
I thought the same exact thing.
And then the feds would no longer be suspicious, and would let her keep the money?I don't see a practical difference between that and what he actually said.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No crystal, my comment had nothing to do with him being able to keep the money.I was merely speaking in terms of his denial being more plausible. Gus was known to be quite generous, after all.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Mike knows the rules of interrogation. Give nothing. No specific excuses. "I don't know what you're talking about" is more effective than something that could be disproved. Don't make up stories or spin yarns or create any kind of background if it can be at all avoided. Don't say anything until you're lawyered up, then let the lawyer deliver a bunch of hypothetical non-denial denials.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I accept your explanation. Now see my Cayman Islands query.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I have no idea. Is there some way for the DEA to track US deposits originating from a specific Cayman account, even if the Cayman banks don't cooperate?
badmojo1006
Footballguy
I think that once he is dead and a suspected criminal, some if not all of the protections fade away
corpcow
Footballguy
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
We have no authority there:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
corpcow
Footballguy
I was fond of this line: "So. After planting the cigarette in Jesse’s apartment, he and Walt musical montage search for it, finding it only after the roomba slowly moves past them." +1 to "musical montage" as an adverb.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It was like Studs wrote that whole thing. Does he do recaps every week?
There is no such thing as an absolute safe haven except maybe if you decide to move to North Korea. Just more hoops for the Feds to jump through.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So Christo, what would the DEA's first step be? Contact the C.I. self-governing body directly even though they're a British territory?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Gomez gives a look in the meeting with the DEA guy and hank.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I wonder if we will find out that Mike was abandoned as a child, or maybe there is something with the grand daughter.
Maybe the kid is the "abandoned" child of someone he killed. Someone in Philly?
Have we seen the kids parents?
Maybe the kid is the "abandoned" child of someone he killed. Someone in Philly?
Have we seen the kids parents?
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Yes, we have seen the mom.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So where can i get this franch sauce?
I was fond of this line: "So. After planting the cigarette in Jesse’s apartment, he and Walt musical montage search for it, finding it only after the roomba slowly moves past them." +1 to "musical montage" as an adverb.
great stuff
Socrates11
Footballguy
"We call it ...Franch."
Thunderlips
Footballguy
CHRIST!........Crap.....sorryIt was Cheerios with a small glass of OJ and some berries arranged in a smiley face.
Walt trying to hang onto something that's no longer there...Even Flynn realizes itCHRIST!........Crap.....sorryIt was Cheerios with a small glass of OJ and some berries arranged in a smiley face.
Zow
Footballguy
From a defense attorney's standpoint, I though Mike played it realistically well and accurately reflected his character as being smart and calm. I appreciated the writer's refrained from making this scene more interesting to stay consistent and realistic.![[icon]](/data/avatars/m/5/5167.jpg?1660313464){kind=avatar}
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Insoxicated
Wait. You're an attorney?!
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Insoxicated
Who else thought "Hrm...I gotta try that!"?"We call it ...Franch."
Charlie Frown
Footballguy
Flynn finally got his Raisin Bran Crunch Yo.That was just about a damn-near perfect episode.Mike prominently featured, phenomenal interrogation scene, no Marie and almost no Skyler and Flynn.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Seriously! Just give away the whole plot why don't you. Well, now that the cat's out of the bag in this thread, can we start discussing now what this all means? First off, obviously the smiley face means Skyler's mood has improved, but the childish Cheerios and small OJ mean she's definitely still babying Flynn. If she really looked at him as an independent young adult, it'd be bran and a tall glass of OJ. She obviously doesn't trust him with anything sharper than a spoon, either. Nothing you'd eat with a fork or knife. I think the obvious difference here between how Skyler sees Flynn and how Walt looks at him (buys him a Mustang, etc.) reveals the huge gulf still between them. It's obviously foreshadowing the eventual destruction of any hope of reconciliation and the end of the marriage. Is that why Walt leaves for New Hampshire? I have to think the choice of using berries symbolize a "yes" to that question. What does this breakfast mean for the future? I think it gives it all away, disagreements about child rearing make Skyler leave Walt. Without having to pretend to be a family man, Walt then goes full-Heisenberg. The orange juice is an obvious symbol of southern climates, will the Mexican cartels be coming back? Again, the answer here is "yes". Walt's attempt to go solo will obviously fail against that kind of firepower, no matter how strong he believes in Heisenberg, so he's got to go on the lam. Away from the world of bacon-less breakfast of Cheerios and berries and toward the world of real bacon and bathroom deals for automatic weapons. I think the defeat of the berries by the bacon means that Walt feels his very manhood is under fire and he won't stop until he gets his way, or die trying. But the berries are red, like blood, so I think this breakfast tells us that in the end, Walt doesn't make it out alive. Poor guy.CHRIST!........Crap.....sorryIt was Cheerios with a small glass of OJ and some berries arranged in a smiley face.
Well, no need to watch anymore. Thanks for ruining it, Duff.
In all seriousness
The uneaten breakfast
the unattended lasaga dinner
Walt trying to show affection for his catatonic wife
Walt is trying to hold on to something that isn't there anymore.
He can't be Heisenberg and keep the things that were Walt's.
The uneaten raisin bran, the smiley face - something you'd do for a small child, not for a near-adult. It's so symbolic of the fact that this idyllic home life is gone and in the past.
The uneaten breakfast
the unattended lasaga dinner
Walt trying to show affection for his catatonic wife
Walt is trying to hold on to something that isn't there anymore.
He can't be Heisenberg and keep the things that were Walt's.
The uneaten raisin bran, the smiley face - something you'd do for a small child, not for a near-adult. It's so symbolic of the fact that this idyllic home life is gone and in the past.
