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At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.

 
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At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.
...or just for Elliot and he has something else for Gretchen

 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
No, they don't.
"you will never see hank again"...."he is dead because he crossed me..." Maybe not an exact admission, but to act like they don't have him on anything is silly. Two DEA agents went to the desert. One called his wife to say he arrested Walt. The two agents have gone missing as has Jesse Pinkman (their informant).
After he arrested me I warned him that I have as much on him as he has on me. I even made a tape outlining how Hank was the one behind the operation. I said I'd burn him if he took me in. We had $80MM. Some of which was buried in his back yard. There's a picture proving this. He's a greedy *******. He killed his partner then took the money. He's gone. You're never going to see them again. The ******* crossed me. He's dead to me.

Until those bodies are found, that is not a confession.

 
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At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.
...or just for Elliot and he has something else for Gretchen
You know what's terrible/funny? If the gun ends up being for him to stand in front of Grey Matter and shoot it all to hell I won't be the least bit surprised.

 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.
...or just for Elliot and he has something else for Gretchen
You know what's terrible/funny? If the gun ends up being for him to stand in front of Grey Matter and shoot it all to hell I won't be the least bit surprised.
This actually makes some sense, given that Grey Matter is within ABQ city limits.

 
so i bought and watched season one on my flight this morning. now i wish i watched this show and have to figire out how to catch up without spending a fortune
ummm netflix
ummmm old seasons free on netflix?
Netflix is a monthly service. Unlimited streaming and/or DVDs mailed to you for a flat fee. Breaking bad seasons 1-5a are available via steaming.
We don't all have meth kingpin money in here. For some of us, $7.99 is a fortune.

 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
No, they don't.
"you will never see hank again"...."he is dead because he crossed me..." Maybe not an exact admission, but to act like they don't have him on anything is silly. Two DEA agents went to the desert. One called his wife to say he arrested Walt. The two agents have gone missing as has Jesse Pinkman (their informant).
Marie testimony about the contents on that call are inadmissible hearsay. You can certainly make inferences based upon his call to Skylar, but a recording of that call should be inadmissible in AZ and Skylar cannot testify to the contents of the call. Leaving the rules of evidence aside, the call he made to Skylar was obviously carefully crafted and at no point did anything he say amount to a confession.

ETA - And drug addict informants are hardly the most reliable of people. Jesse going missing would hardly be odd.

 
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so i bought and watched season one on my flight this morning. now i wish i watched this show and have to figire out how to catch up without spending a fortune
ummm netflix
ummmm old seasons free on netflix?
Netflix is a monthly service. Unlimited streaming and/or DVDs mailed to you for a flat fee. Breaking bad seasons 1-5a are available via steaming.
beats buyig it from google, and amazon prime doesnt have it "free" i just assumed that amc locked it down
 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.
...or just for Elliot and he has something else for Gretchen
You know what's terrible/funny? If the gun ends up being for him to stand in front of Grey Matter and shoot it all to hell I won't be the least bit surprised.
This actually makes some sense, given that Grey Matter is within ABQ city limits.
Doesn't really matter. The guy he knows that sells machine guns is there as is his ricin. His car is probably able to transport him out of ABQ if need be.

 
I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.

 
I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.
With how fast hank, Gomez and Jesse get to the site, any recording of that call was in the car or on their person. That confession is gone.

 
I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.
And because it takes place in New Mexico.

 
I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.
With how fast hank, Gomez and Jesse get to the site, any recording of that call was in the car or on their person. That confession is gone.
Yeah, I understand that. It's just not going to come up though. We've lost the character who is concerned with how to make a case against Walt. He's dead. But I still think a lot of the legal analysis I see in this thread is weird. There are plenty of things to tie Walt to various criminal acts, including the fact that the equipment from his first cook was traced back to his lab at the school.

 
I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.
And because it takes place in New Mexico.
My bad. Also a one party consent state.

 
Heh, was just in a managers meeting and my boss Mike, jokingly said he wanted to go to Belize.

Everybody looked at me when I let out a giggle

 
I think the flashforward is from the last episode... Wasn't that the case with last time they did this at the start of a season?
If you count last year's 8 episodes as the last season, then no. This season's first episode teaser was a continuation of last year's first episode teaser but we haven't caught up to that timeline yet.
 
Just watched watched last night's episode for a second time. I really need to not be drunk when I'm watching it the first time -- I can't believe how much I missed.

 
I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.
With how fast hank, Gomez and Jesse get to the site, any recording of that call was in the car or on their person. That confession is gone.
Yeah, I understand that. It's just not going to come up though. We've lost the character who is concerned with how to make a case against Walt. He's dead. But I still think a lot of the legal analysis I see in this thread is weird. There are plenty of things to tie Walt to various criminal acts, including the fact that the equipment from his first cook was traced back to his lab at the school.
An earlier post by Maurile seemed to indicate that NM was a two party state. I didn't bother to look it up myself.

However, my point stands that they have little admissible evidence of anything. Skylar can walk them through the money laundering, but she'd have a hell of a time getting anything on the record about Walt's complicity between spousal and attorney privilege. Plus, the money is gone and the gambling cover story could easily be extended to include whatever money Skylar filtered through the carwash. The call to her is threatening, but hardly an admission. The call to Jesse is surely destroyed. And you've potentially got the conflicting taped confessions of Jesse and Walt. Jesse's has potentially vanished, and even if it hasn't I don't see how it's admissible without Jesse's testimony. Maybe Hank kept Walt's confession, maybe he destroyed. I doubt that Walt kept a copy with Skylar. There is some circumstantial evidence, but its hardly a solid case.

 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.
...or just for Elliot and he has something else for Gretchen
You know what's terrible/funny? If the gun ends up being for him to stand in front of Grey Matter and shoot it all to hell I won't be the least bit surprised.
This actually makes some sense, given that Grey Matter is within ABQ city limits.
Doesn't really matter. The guy he knows that sells machine guns is there as is his ricin. His car is probably able to transport him out of ABQ if need be.
The guy who sells him the gun wants assurances that it won't cross borders, and Walt tells him it won't even leave town. He doesn't have any incentive to fib that detail.

We still don't know why he bailed on Gretchen yet, do we?

 
I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.
With how fast hank, Gomez and Jesse get to the site, any recording of that call was in the car or on their person. That confession is gone.
Yeah, I understand that. It's just not going to come up though. We've lost the character who is concerned with how to make a case against Walt. He's dead. But I still think a lot of the legal analysis I see in this thread is weird. There are plenty of things to tie Walt to various criminal acts, including the fact that the equipment from his first cook was traced back to his lab at the school.
An earlier post by Maurile seemed to indicate that NM was a two party state. I didn't bother to look it up myself.

However, my point stands that they have little admissible evidence of anything. Skylar can walk them through the money laundering, but she'd have a hell of a time getting anything on the record about Walt's complicity between spousal and attorney privilege. Plus, the money is gone and the gambling cover story could easily be extended to include whatever money Skylar filtered through the carwash. The call to her is threatening, but hardly an admission. The call to Jesse is surely destroyed. And you've potentially got the conflicting taped confessions of Jesse and Walt. Jesse's has potentially vanished, and even if it hasn't I don't see how it's admissible without Jesse's testimony. Maybe Hank kept Walt's confession, maybe he destroyed. I doubt that Walt kept a copy with Skylar. There is some circumstantial evidence, but its hardly a solid case.
Why are you guys talking about this like there's going to be a court case? All I care about is the final two episodes and how the Heisenberg name gets out there.There's not going to be a trial, dorks.

 
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I don't understand this continued assertion that Walt's calls to some other number would be inadmissible. Arizona is a one-party consent state and in each instance the police are recording from a device with the owner's consent (Jesse and Skyler). To the extent that Walt's conversation with Skyler might be subject to the marital privilege (and only his communications with her are, not basic facts like the financial data that shows money laundering at the car wash), that's another issue.

Not that it will matter anyway.
With how fast hank, Gomez and Jesse get to the site, any recording of that call was in the car or on their person. That confession is gone.
Yeah, I understand that. It's just not going to come up though. We've lost the character who is concerned with how to make a case against Walt. He's dead. But I still think a lot of the legal analysis I see in this thread is weird. There are plenty of things to tie Walt to various criminal acts, including the fact that the equipment from his first cook was traced back to his lab at the school.
An earlier post by Maurile seemed to indicate that NM was a two party state. I didn't bother to look it up myself.

However, my point stands that they have little admissible evidence of anything. Skylar can walk them through the money laundering, but she'd have a hell of a time getting anything on the record about Walt's complicity between spousal and attorney privilege. Plus, the money is gone and the gambling cover story could easily be extended to include whatever money Skylar filtered through the carwash. The call to her is threatening, but hardly an admission. The call to Jesse is surely destroyed. And you've potentially got the conflicting taped confessions of Jesse and Walt. Jesse's has potentially vanished, and even if it hasn't I don't see how it's admissible without Jesse's testimony. Maybe Hank kept Walt's confession, maybe he destroyed. I doubt that Walt kept a copy with Skylar. There is some circumstantial evidence, but its hardly a solid case.
Why are you guys talking about this like there's going to be a court case? All I care about is the final two episodes and how the Heisenberg name gets out there.There's not going to be a trial, dorks.
Cause I'm a dork and a lawyer. Plus I find this more interesting than wild speculation.

 
Abraham said:
Now that the cops are involved and all the cards are on the table it would be realistic to imagine that the DEA will go after Lydia and the nazis.
They don't know of the existence of Lydia and the Nazi's. All they have is Walt's call to Jesse confessing to older stuff and his call to Skyler where he said the he, Walt, killed Hank.
 
Abraham said:
Now that the cops are involved and all the cards are on the table it would be realistic to imagine that the DEA will go after Lydia and the nazis.
They don't know of the existence of Lydia and the Nazi's. All they have is Walt's call to Jesse confessing to older stuff and his call to Skyler where he said the he, Walt, killed Hank.
It's more of a Ray Lewis situation

 
Abraham said:
Now that the cops are involved and all the cards are on the table it would be realistic to imagine that the DEA will go after Lydia and the nazis.
They don't know of the existence of Lydia and the Nazi's. All they have is Walt's call to Jesse confessing to older stuff and his call to Skyler where he said the he, Walt, killed Hank.
Once again, for the record, they do not have Walt's confession to Jesse, as Hank went in without the DEA's knowledge, and all Walt says in the call to Skyler is that they will never see Hank again. They don't have his confessing to the murder, either.

 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
No, they don't.
"you will never see hank again"...."he is dead because he crossed me..." Maybe not an exact admission, but to act like they don't have him on anything is silly. Two DEA agents went to the desert. One called his wife to say he arrested Walt. The two agents have gone missing as has Jesse Pinkman (their informant).
Wouldn't that be evidence that, at a minimum, someone else was involved given that he is obviously no longer arrested?

There is no confession there. Just a carefully worded statement that Hank is dead.

 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.
...or just for Elliot and he has something else for Gretchen
You know what's terrible/funny? If the gun ends up being for him to stand in front of Grey Matter and shoot it all to hell I won't be the least bit surprised.
This actually makes some sense, given that Grey Matter is within ABQ city limits.
Doesn't really matter. The guy he knows that sells machine guns is there as is his ricin. His car is probably able to transport him out of ABQ if need be.
The guy who sells him the gun wants assurances that it won't cross borders, and Walt tells him it won't even leave town. He doesn't have any incentive to fib that detail.

We still don't know why he bailed on Gretchen yet, do we?
Sure he does. If he's going to cross borders is he going to tell the truth and jeopardize the sale? He probably isn't, but why wouldn't he if he needed to?I doubt Gray Matter comes up again. It served its purpose as a motive for his empire building mania. It wasn't clearly laid out, but so much that happens isn't clearly laid out for us on this show as it usually is. There was a love triangle and Walt lost. As a result he watched a mountain of money pile up that he could've been a part of and it's eaten at his ego for years.

 
I think the real big mystery or twist left is not the M60 or the ricin, but how Walt is able to get the $10-11 million back to his family. I bet Gilligan has some clever solution for that up his sleeve.
Walt starts a website about Walt Jr.'s cerebral palsy and has Saul arrange anonymous contributions through it.

 
The only way Walt would ever find out that Jesse was being held captive is if Jesse somehow manages to escape. Even if he heard that the blue was back on the market, he could only safely assume that they tortured Jesse into teaching Todd how to do it.
Or he could reasonably assume that Todd already knows how to make it blue himself.

 
Even if she gets an immunity deal, she can't testify about anything her husband told her without his consent. And in most states she couldn't testify about anything Walt did absent the assault charge. Maybe some of the conspiracy to launder money, though you run into issues with attorney privilege (Saul) there.
Huh?
Skyler can testify against Walt on the charge that Walt hit Skyler. She can't testify against Walt on charges that Walt did stuff to people who aren't Skyler.

 
Even if she gets an immunity deal, she can't testify about anything her husband told her without his consent. And in most states she couldn't testify about anything Walt did absent the assault charge. Maybe some of the conspiracy to launder money, though you run into issues with attorney privilege (Saul) there.
Huh?
Skyler can testify against Walt on the charge that Walt hit Skyler. She can't testify against Walt on charges that Walt did stuff to people who aren't Skyler.
Why not?

 
Why do you guys think Walt cares more about blue meth than getting back the 60-70M they stole from him? That makes zero sense. He'd rather burn that money than have it stolen from him.

Maybe if he can take out their crappy meth lab in the process, fine, but he's not going back for that.

 
Leaving the rules of evidence aside, the call he made to Skylar was obviously carefully crafted and at no point did anything he say amount to a confession.
Yes, that's part of what the initial flashback was for. Before Walt calls Skyler to lie about having to stay late at the car wash, he carefully composes and rehearses what he's going to say.

We can be confident that he was equally fastidious about his call to Skyler toward the end of the episode.

 
Leaving the rules of evidence aside, the call he made to Skylar was obviously carefully crafted and at no point did anything he say amount to a confession.
Yes, that's part of what the initial flashback was for. Before Walt calls Skyler to lie about having to stay late at the car wash, he carefully composes and rehearses what he's going to say.

We can be confident that he was equally fastidious about his call to Skyler toward the end of the episode.
Good point.

 
Even if she gets an immunity deal, she can't testify about anything her husband told her without his consent. And in most states she couldn't testify about anything Walt did absent the assault charge. Maybe some of the conspiracy to launder money, though you run into issues with attorney privilege (Saul) there.
Huh?
Skyler can testify against Walt on the charge that Walt hit Skyler. She can't testify against Walt on charges that Walt did stuff to people who aren't Skyler.
Why not?
According to Wikipedia, my gold standard for legal information, "Two further scenarios apply to defeat the attachment of the spousal communications privilege: if the confidential communication was made in order to plan or commit crime or fraud..."

 

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