Breaking - Kareem Hunt RELEASED and unclaimed (1 Viewer)

[Interseptopus]

You can be damn sure that if Hill had done that now and not several years ago, and there was a video of it, he'd be in the same boat Hunt is. The timing and the video are a tough combo to overcome right now.  Hill is "lucky" he did it before the national attention on those actions became so intense. Call it a double standard or whatever, but it's the truth. 

tyreek hill committed his crime the same year Ray Rice committed his...

 

[Ilov80s]

tyreek hill committed his crime the same year Ray Rice committed his...

No video and nobody had any clue who he was when it happened 

 

[Interseptopus]

No video and nobody had any clue who he was when it happened 

yes but to say "todays NFL is different" is complete BS. todays NFL only cares if there is a video and if the player is employed by the nfl at the time of the incident 

 

[Steelers4Life]

tyreek hill committed his crime the same year Ray Rice committed his...

Tyreek Hill wasn't in the NFL when he did it and there was no video. Ray Rice looked washed up the year before, so taking on that kind of an issue for a guy who wasn't even a sure thing to help wasn't a risk worth taking.

Not that it should matter, but it does. Things are different in 2018 than they were in 2014, too.

 

[Hilts]

Ok, but how about the other incidents ?

Are they gonna look to the entire Kareem Hunt life to find some more dirt ?

Why are they targeting him every day since friday ?

Oh, you're serious with this. Ok. Well TMZ broke the story because they got access to tapes of a well known public figure doing something awful. This is pretty much their entire business model. Usually the famous person isn't a professional athlete and the awful thing isn't beating a woman, but this is what they do. 

Once said popular person's incident blows up, more incidents get reported by witnesses who had otherwise kept quiet. TMZ gives those attention if they're semi credible, because they've already captured our attention and it's easier to keep that going over getting us to tune in for some other TMZ story. 

In short, TMZ didn't care if this was Hunt or literally any other starting rb. They just follow the money. This was all Kareem.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Reuben Foster, arrested for the 2nd time for domestic violence on Nov 25th 2018... cut from his team and lasted all of 4 days before being scooped up by another.

Yes, times are a changin'

Yes, they are. The video matters.

Ask yourself why a young superstar RB on a rookie contract didn't get claimed on waivers. Surely Hunt on a 3rd round rookie contract would be worth a waiver claim from SOMEONE, right? He would've been a few years ago. Today, he's not.

 

[Dizzy]

Yes, they are. The video matters.

Ask yourself why a young superstar RB on a rookie contract didn't get claimed on waivers. Surely Hunt on a 3rd round rookie contract would be worth a waiver claim from SOMEONE, right? He would've been a few years ago. Today, he's not.

ONLY a video matters. Women can get the dog #### beat out of them behind closed doors, but as long as the cameras aren't rolling it's forgive and forget.

Are you sure this is the argument that you want to stick by.

Things may be "different" in 2018, but better? No.

 

[Hilts]

ONLY a video matters. Women can get the dog #### beat out of them behind closed doors, but as long as the cameras aren't rolling it's forgive and forget.

Are you sure this is the argument that you want to stick by.

Things may be "different" in 2018, but better? No.

The NFL now only allows their players to beat women in the privacy of their homes. 

That's not much better, but a small step is still a step. 

 

[Steelers4Life]

ONLY a video matters. Women can get the dog #### beat out of them behind closed doors, but as long as the cameras aren't rolling it's forgive and forget.

Are you sure this is the argument that you want to stick by.

Things may be "different" in 2018, but better? No.

I never said it's right or wrong and I'm not arguing anything. I don't think there's ever a reason for any man to hit any woman, ever, and I think anyone who does should be punished as severely as the law allows.

A video definitely matters. At that point, it moves from being an allegation or a rumor to something far more real. If you hear about something happening or you read about it, it's awful... but if you actually see it happen, it's a completely different reaction. At that point, it's no longer a he said/she said situation and people are free to judge intent and behaviors with tangible evidence.

I think we can be sure it's happened far more than we'll ever know about. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

if 4 x accused rapist Ben Roethlisberger can be rostered, and even a likely HOF candidate, then Kareem Hunt can find a place in the NFL after this

Agreed. This is a country where Mike Tyson can rape a girl, threaten to eat people's children, and still be perceived as a loveable though quirky character.  Time passes, passions cool.  Now if he makes another public mistake that riles passions at a fundamental level and which goes against the standing mores of the day, then he may be cast aside. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Yes, I mean literally today. Mixon was drafted in early 2017 and Hill in early 2016, and what they did didn't happen while in the NFL. Ben's incident happened before either of them. But the national outlook on this stuff really started changing a lot in late 2017 and yes, that matters. It doesn't mean it's any more wrong now than it was today - there is NEVER an excuse for that type of behavior towards a woman. But it does mean that it's scrutinized more, and when there's a video of it, it adds a level of reality to it that a rumor or an accusation doesn't. No matter what you had heard about the Ray Rice incident, it became a lot more "real" when you saw the video of him knocking his fiancé out and carrying her out of the elevator, and that imagine is always associated with him. It'll be that way with Hunt, too. We'll never know if the Chiefs would've handled it differently if he had come clean about what really happened right away. 

Peterson's issue was completely different and I hesitate making any comparisons to it. It's reprehensible to me, but I also understand that it's a method of disciplining children that's a cultural thing in some areas of the country too. Beating on women isn't an accepted behavior anywhere by anyone, and there's really no parallels to be drawn between them.

There are substantially different norms in other cultures.  It would be a better world if your statement was correct, but I lament that it is not so, not nearly so.  Of late though Honor Killings are coming into increasing disapproval in many areas where they have been traditionally accepted, but certainly not all. 

 

[Steelers4Life]

if 4 x accused rapist Ben Roethlisberger can be rostered, and even a likely HOF candidate, then Kareem Hunt can find a place in the NFL after this

Not that this is a Roethlisberger thread, but there have been 2 accusations, not 4. He settled a case from 2008 and charges from a separate incident in 2010 were dropped.

Ben's behavior when he was younger was common knowledge in Pittsburgh, so the stories don't surprise me.  I've heard others.  However, if either incident had been caught on tape, I'm pretty sure things would've turned out pretty differently for him.

It's hilarious to me that people who own Hunt in fantasy football are so busy convincing themselves that he'll be back out there in no time. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I never said it's right or wrong and I'm not arguing anything. I don't think there's ever a reason for any man to hit any woman, ever, and I think anyone who does should be punished as severely as the law allows.

A video definitely matters. At that point, it moves from being an allegation or a rumor to something far more real. If you hear about something happening or you read about it, it's awful... but if you actually see it happen, it's a completely different reaction. At that point, it's no longer a he said/she said situation and people are free to judge intent and behaviors with tangible evidence.

I think we can be sure it's happened far more than we'll ever know about. 

It would be a better world if more folks held your beliefs.  Still, I can posit some scenarios, albeit unlikely or unusual, where I would not be an absolutist on this subject, as are, apparently, you. 

Take a married fellow with ALS or Guillan-Barre syndrome.  He is wasting and losing much of his physical capabilities. Say he married a woman more or less his stature, but maybe a bit larger, say he is 5'8 and 145lbs and she 5'9.5 and 140 lbs.  Say also they met at a martial arts dojo and were both, before his illness, quite proficient, but she more so.  Imagine that she is sexually frustrated due to his disfunction related to his illness, they are having financial issues due to his illness, and she is exhausted as she is caring for the children, and now him as if he is a child.  Say her coping mechanisms were never honed to these challenges and that in her frustration she lashes out at him, not always, but from time to time.  Is he unjustified in striking her to defend himself?

There are women who have learned the same dysfunctional behavior as abusive men.  these women are abusers of their spouses and sometimes children.  It is less common than the dynamic flowing the other way, much less, but it is not unheard of, not by any means.  Some of these abusers even use weapons and endanger other's lives.  Are their partners not justified in striking that woman in self defense?  Certainly there are better ways of handling things if one has time to prepare, but these things sometimes pop off fast and leave one little time to think rationally.

I am simply not an absolutist.  Others are and I respect that.  I also suspect many who are nominally of my persuasion of being so for dark reasons and so I am uncomfortable making an argument that truly can become the devil's advocacy not only on an intellectual level, but on a dangerous experiential level.  I would not want my highly conditional relativism to be used to justify their barbarism.  Anyhow, you seem a damn fine fellow.  One I would want raising the boys who date my daughters.  Kudos to you. 

 

[JuniorNB]

ONLY a video matters. Women can get the dog #### beat out of them behind closed doors, but as long as the cameras aren't rolling it's forgive and forget.

Are you sure this is the argument that you want to stick by.

Things may be "different" in 2018, but better? No.

It still matters when there's no video. People get arrested for assault every single day in this country. And domestic battery. And there's no video. Video simply put typos on it. Of course it's worse when people actually see the beatings and the misbehavior.  Hunt"s problem is, he can't lie about it. Are we going to sell it with their own eyes. And despite his apologists pulling out all the stops and trying to blame the girl, Hunt and his team really smart enough not to try that crap. And now there are reports of a second and maybe even third situation where Hunt was involved. This could be the tip of the iceberg for a man who needs a lot of help. Hopefully a few impressionable young men are seeing this go down and it will prompt them to make the right decision during a tense moment in their future.

 

[JuniorNB]

The NFL now only allows their players to beat women in the privacy of their homes. 

That's not much better, but a small step is still a step. 

There was no.video of rueben foster beating up his girlfriend. And 31 of the 32 teams cared enough not to sign a talented athlete. the league is getting there. There are still a few scumbag owners that only think about winning and couldn't care less about character. When that number becomes 32, the moral transformation will have taken place. 

 

[Interseptopus]

It's hilarious to me that people who own Hunt in fantasy football are so busy convincing themselves that he'll be back out there in no time. 

I own zero stock in Kareem Hunt

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

It still matters when there's no video. People get arrested for assault every single day in this country. And domestic battery. And there's no video. Video simply put typos on it. Of course it's worse when people actually see the beatings and the misbehavior.  Hunt"s problem is, he can't lie about it. Are we going to sell it with their own eyes. And despite his apologists pulling out all the stops and trying to blame the girl, Hunt and his team really smart enough not to try that crap. And now there are reports of a second and maybe even third situation where Hunt was involved. This could be the tip of the iceberg for a man who needs a lot of help. Hopefully a few impressionable young men are seeing this go down and it will prompt them to make the right decision during a tense moment in their future.

Agreed, and well said. 

 

[Foosball God]

The Bell camp is licking their chops. Can you imagine Bell, Kelce and Hill? Mahomes?

I don't see KC signing Bell, frankly I don't see Bell signing anytime soon.  He has an inflated perception of his worth and I don't think many if any teams are going to be willing to pay it.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Ok, but how about the other incidents ?

Are they gonna look to the entire Kareem Hunt life to find some more dirt ?

Why are they targeting him every day since friday ?

clicks

 

[smbkrypt24]

I watched the TMZ video and think he assaulted the lady.  I don't care about all the downplay of the incident or that the lady should not have been there.  He was responsible for his actions and chose to assault the lady instead of walk away.

I watched his interview video and saw a remorseful man.  I would have liked for him to personally apologize to the victim, but I was reading comments by the lady who conducted the interview and her reflection of the interview said she thought he was nervous.  I thought he was remorseful and I think he deserves a second chance maybe next year or the year after.  

 

[FreeBaGeL]

There was no.video of rueben foster beating up his girlfriend. And 31 of the 32 teams cared enough not to sign a talented athlete. 

How do you know this? There were 16 teams behind Washington in the waiver order. We don't know if any of those teams tried to claim him. 

 

[Slider]

I don't see KC signing Bell, frankly I don't see Bell signing anytime soon.  He has an inflated perception of his worth and I don't think many if any teams are going to be willing to pay it.

Bell will quickly find out his worth and teams will line up to sign him. He'll sign rather fast.

 

[Foosball God]

Bell will quickly find out his worth and teams will line up to sign him. He'll sign rather fast.

  We'll see I guess.  But this isn't the Bell thread so I won't debate here.

 

[General Malaise]

This:

I am NOT defending Hunt's actions but how does conjecture help clarify the issue?

Who cares?  It's a magic football message board, not the NY Times.  We're perfectly within our rights to opine about players here, especially players who were on video beating a 19 year old girl.  You want clarity, go read investigative journalism. 

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Hopefully the Bears make a run at this guy, once we know what the suspension is going to be.  Hunt / Tarik combo would be lethal.  

 

[Gopher State]

So three counts of bad behavior this smells of a very long suspension, 2020.

 

[General Malaise]

Maybe he can go play in the Alliance of American Football thing with Trevor Knight and Christian Hackenberg.

 

[Slider]

Hunt will play next year. He'll go to a couple classes, feed the poor and get 6 or 8 games off. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter

NFL is considering three separate off-field incidents as it works toward a final decision on discipline for former Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt, sources close to the situation tell @DanGrazianoESPN.

All 3 incidents to factor into suspension for ex-Chiefs RB Kareem Hunt

The NFL is considering three separate off-field incidents as it works toward a final decision on discipline for former Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt, sources close to the situation told ESPN, and the result is likely to be a multigame suspension that stretches into next season.

...The two other incidents involving Hunt are a restaurant altercation from June about which the league already questioned him and a violent incident at a nightclub in January about which the NFL didn't know until recently. 

...multiple incidents are likely to constitute the types of aggravating factors that can lead the league to impose a suspension longer than the six-game baseline specified in the personal conduct policy for incidents involving violent behavior.

KAREEM HUNT WAS ACCUSED OF NIGHTCLUB ATTACK ... In January

... a police report filed by a man who claims he was brutally attacked by Kareem Hunt in a Kansas City nightclub back in January ...

...he was treated at the North Kansas City Hospital emergency room for a broken rib, broken nose and multiple bruises and contusions. 

Cops note in the report the accuser had cuts on his mouth at the time he filed his report. 

The man told cops he did not want to file the report but his family members convinced him it was the right thing to do. 

...no charges were ever filed in the case. 

KAREEM HUNT VIDEO RESTRAINED AND YELLING During Nightclub Incident

...In the video, you can clearly see Hunt being held back by a security guard -- while other patrons try to calm him down. We're told Hunt was eventually escorted out of the club. 

... the very next month Hunt got into a violent altercation with a woman at a hotel in Ohio -- and despite being restrained in that incident, he broke free and brutalized the woman. 

Hunt allegedly got into a 3rd altercation at a resort in Ohio in June. 

He has a problem.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter

NFL is considering three separate off-field incidents as it works toward a final decision on discipline for former Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt, sources close to the situation tell @DanGrazianoESPN.

All 3 incidents to factor into suspension for ex-Chiefs RB Kareem Hunt

KAREEM HUNT WAS ACCUSED OF NIGHTCLUB ATTACK ... In January

KAREEM HUNT VIDEO RESTRAINED AND YELLING During Nightclub Incident

He has a problem.

But he’s super sorry and claims that’s “not who he is” now that he’s been caught on video. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

But he’s super sorry and claims that’s “not who he is” now that he’s been caught on video. 

And what did he say in that apology?  Something like 'it doesn't matter what I done because it wasn't right'?  Or something to that effect.

Yeah it does matter what he did.  It is the only thing that matters not how he feels about what he did.  Doesn't matter?  Come on.

 

[menobrown]

If I did not know better I'd think this guy spent his off season just steady rolling around Ohio whipping on people. 3 cases reported, maybe some that were not.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

And what did he say in that apology?  Something like 'it doesn't matter what I done because it wasn't right'?  Or something to that effect.

Yeah it does matter what he did.  It is the only thing that matters not how he feels about what he did.  Doesn't matter?  Come on.

Agreed. Hopefully you could tell my post was tongue-in-cheek. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Agreed. Hopefully you could tell my post was tongue-in-cheek. 

Very clear.

 

[zoonation]

Toast for 2019.  Likely for good.  He has serious anger management issues and he is a liar.  Also, his apology came across like the joke it was.  

 

[JuniorNB]

How do you know this? There were 16 teams behind Washington in the waiver order. We don't know if any of those teams tried to claim him. 

Washington was the only team that filed a claim. 

 

[Casting Couch]

Toast for 2019.  Likely for good.  He has serious anger management issues and he is a liar.  Also, his apology came across like the joke it was.  

I have to agree with this. Hunt will dominate the CFL.

 

[DropKick]

What would you like to see happen to the 19 year old girl?

Put her out of work for a year.  Then send her to counseling.  Clearly she has anger issues.

 

[Shawnky]

Put her out of work for a year.  Then send her to counseling.  Clearly she has anger issues.

Clearly you just have issues.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Who cares?  It's a magic football message board, not the NY Times.  We're perfectly within our rights to opine about players here, especially players who were on video beating a 19 year old girl.  You want clarity, go read investigative journalism. 

Oh you do you. for explaining you are opining and not actionable info.

 

[DJackson10]

Toast for 2019.  Likely for good.  He has serious anger management issues and he is a liar.  Also, his apology came across like the joke it was.  

Yeah Lisa Salters said last night she felt before the interview off camera he seemed more genuine and wanted to get more out of him like what really happened and set him off. And he did admit that he was not truthful with the Chiefs about what happened. Definitely no hard feelings of them releasing him. Honestly if I'm his agent and PR people I'd have already started damaging control and had him better prepared for that interview or waiting. 

 

[DJackson10]

The real question here is why he's been targeted by TMZ all of a sudden ?

Why are they diggin' up all the dirt on him ?

Who's behind all of this ?

My comment from the start not popular was the girl he hit got the tape and was mad nothing was ever done about it. Another is someone he knows who felt he did them wrong or whatever. Either way we have to remember TMZ isn't journalistic integrity and morals. There's been a few times where they've posted video which doesn't show the whole story and someone's career is almost ruined thanks to them but they don't care as long as they get those clicks. I follow wrestling and one of the rumor and news sites is run by former TMZ Producer Ryan Satin. Total SJW who uses these social justice issues to try to get to women. I forget what he tweeted or what the actual news story/rumor was about but a few people including myself basically called him out as he accessed someone of doing the same thing his former employer and he still did constantly. It had something to do with integrity and then he tried to pull the victim card online. A few months ago I made a comment on the site as WWE was doing a show in Saudi Arabia and Hulk Hogan was being reinstated making his first WWE appearance since he video of his racist rant came out2 yrs priors. I made a tongue in cheek joke how Hogan needed to behave himself and should say this or that about the Saudis. 3 Weeks later I'm in Facebook jail suspended for 3 days because Satin and others reported my comment. How do I know it was him? A few people who also made similar comments also got the axe and what did we all have in common? We all called Satin out for his accusations just a few months prior. 

Point is the people at TMZ are no better then the people they always call scumbags. it's 3rd rate bloggers with the exception they get paid. I'm honestly surprised some one hasn't sued them for slander for all the times they've been wrong. I know people will say well if guys stopped acting like Idiots TMZ wouldn't report it. Yeah but TMZ will also make a story out of nothing as well. 

 

[DJackson10]

yes but to say "todays NFL is different" is complete BS. todays NFL only cares if there is a video and if the player is employed by the nfl at the time of the incident 

Agreed. I made this tweet to Mike Freeman today: The nfl will never be taken seriously until they take these social issues seriously. Goddell made the league take Vick back, KC has Hill still, Mixon was a 2nd RD pick and higest selling Cincy Jersey, Josh Brown only got 2 game Suspension. 1 F Up ur done NFL is a privilege not a right.

Basically until the league gets its head out of it's ### on these things an stops employing guys like this Ie: drafting signing as UDFA. claiming after being released, etc the NFL will look like hypocrites. Just because you play a kids game well doesn't mean you are entitled to play in the league. It's a privilege and if you mess that up well thats on you but the NFL cares only about it's bottom line. Why should a guy who beats up a women in College especially months before the draft still get to play in the league? If I was coming out of college and got arrested theres numerous employers who wouldn't sign me just for that. I work in retail for ACME and we have vendors who need to follow rules. Some of our vendor companies won't take someone who has a prior DUI ad if you Get a DUI on the clock or not it's automatic termination no questions asked. Nothing has changed since Ray Rice other then a few BS CYA's just like all these safety rules for Head injury prevention that are BS. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Agreed. I made this tweet to Mike Freeman today: The nfl will never be taken seriously until they take these social issues seriously. Goddell made the league take Vick back, KC has Hill still, Mixon was a 2nd RD pick and higest selling Cincy Jersey, Josh Brown only got 2 game Suspension. 1 F Up ur done NFL is a privilege not a right.

Basically until the league gets its head out of it's ### on these things an stops employing guys like this Ie: drafting signing as UDFA. claiming after being released, etc the NFL will look like hypocrites. Just because you play a kids game well doesn't mean you are entitled to play in the league. It's a privilege and if you mess that up well thats on you but the NFL cares only about it's bottom line. Why should a guy who beats up a women in College especially months before the draft still get to play in the league? If I was coming out of college and got arrested theres numerous employers who wouldn't sign me just for that. I work in retail for ACME and we have vendors who need to follow rules. Some of our vendor companies won't take someone who has a prior DUI ad if you Get a DUI on the clock or not it's automatic termination no questions asked. Nothing has changed since Ray Rice other then a few BS CYA's just like all these safety rules for Head injury prevention that are BS. 

I don't think a person''s ability to make a living should be removed permanently because of a mistake (not counting criminal law).  Serve his punishment yes, but serve it for life, no.

 

[Tool]

Hunt has some serious issues that need to be addressed but I do believe he should get another chance. I’m not opposed to a lengthy suspension But don’t believe he should be banned for life.

 

[davearm]

Agreed. I made this tweet to Mike Freeman today: The nfl will never be taken seriously until they take these social issues seriously. Goddell made the league take Vick back, KC has Hill still, Mixon was a 2nd RD pick and higest selling Cincy Jersey, Josh Brown only got 2 game Suspension. 1 F Up ur done NFL is a privilege not a right.

Basically until the league gets its head out of it's ### on these things an stops employing guys like this Ie: drafting signing as UDFA. claiming after being released, etc the NFL will look like hypocrites. Just because you play a kids game well doesn't mean you are entitled to play in the league. It's a privilege and if you mess that up well thats on you but the NFL cares only about it's bottom line. Why should a guy who beats up a women in College especially months before the draft still get to play in the league? If I was coming out of college and got arrested theres numerous employers who wouldn't sign me just for that. I work in retail for ACME and we have vendors who need to follow rules. Some of our vendor companies won't take someone who has a prior DUI ad if you Get a DUI on the clock or not it's automatic termination no questions asked. Nothing has changed since Ray Rice other then a few BS CYA's just like all these safety rules for Head injury prevention that are BS. 

What I'm about to say doesn't apply to the Hunt case specifically, and I get that.

With that out of the way, IMHO the folks that adopt this moral high ground, one-strike-and-you're-out-forever position toward domestic violence really haven't thought through the unintended consequences.

First, the stiffer you make the penalties around DV, the more you disincentivize the victim to report the abuse.  If your pro athlete husband/BF loses all of the fame, fortune and lifestyle that comes with that career, then guess what, you lose all of those things too.  Going from $1M/yr pro career to a $40K/yr construction job blows back on more people than just the player.  Throw kids into the mix, and you can imagine how strong the victim's motive to keep things quiet would be.  And we see it all the time -- the DV victim calls the cops in the heat of the moment when she feels in imminent physical danger, but once things calm down, she does not want to press charges or cooperate with investigators.  It's easy to see why.

Now let's look at the player.  If you take away his career, he's going to feel like he's lost everything.  Including his support network.  On top of that, he's now bitter and resentful toward the victim, and at least in part blames her.  What reason would he have at that point to improve his behavior and change his life?  The exact opposite is what we would expect -- things to get worse in that abusive relationship.  Take away the carrot (NFL fame and fortune) that might motivate him to straighten up and fly straight, along with the resources and support to effect that change, plus add further stress and animosity to the relationship, and of course the result will be bad.

There are other ripples but those are a few of the big ones.  It's not as cut and dried of a policy decision as some would make it. 

And maybe behind closed doors, the NFL doesn't really give a rip about the welfare of the players or their victim-partners, and is only looking out for its own bottom line.  I'm not naive about that.

 

[msommer]

What I'm about to say doesn't apply to the Hunt case specifically, and I get that.

With that out of the way, IMHO the folks that adopt this moral high ground, one-strike-and-you're-out-forever position toward domestic violence really haven't thought through the unintended consequences.

First, the stiffer you make the penalties around DV, the more you disincentivize the victim to report the abuse.  If your pro athlete husband/BF loses all of the fame, fortune and lifestyle that comes with that career, then guess what, you lose all of those things too.  Going from $1M/yr pro career to a $40K/yr construction job blows back on more people than just the player.  Throw kids into the mix, and you can imagine how strong the victim's motive to keep things quiet would be.  And we see it all the time -- the DV victim calls the cops in the heat of the moment when she feels in imminent physical danger, but once things calm down, she does not want to press charges or cooperate with investigators.  It's easy to see why.

Now let's look at the player.  If you take away his career, he's going to feel like he's lost everything.  Including his support network.  On top of that, he's now bitter and resentful toward the victim, and at least in part blames her.  What reason would he have at that point to improve his behavior and change his life?  The exact opposite is what we would expect -- things to get worse in that abusive relationship.  Take away the carrot (NFL fame and fortune) that might motivate him to straighten up and fly straight, along with the resources and support to effect that change, plus add further stress and animosity to the relationship, and of course the result will be bad.

There are other ripples but those are a few of the big ones.  It's not as cut and dried of a policy decision as some would make it. 

And maybe behind closed doors, the NFL doesn't really give a rip about the welfare of the players or their victim-partners, and is only looking out for its own bottom line.  I'm not naive about that.

Well, you know he could have chosen to not kicked the girl lying on the floor.

If he never plays again? I'm going to play a lament on the world's smallest violin

 

[Interseptopus]

I don't justify what he did. I think it's sensationalized in general (people are acting like he sent her to the ICU or that he threw her into a basket full of puppies and set the basket on fire), but at the end of the day he did exhibit violence toward her, which is unacceptable. To never play again... I couldn't care less. These guys play a child's game and make a sickening amount of money to do it; they are entertainers... over-paid entertainers. I won't watch a movie that doesn't entertain me, and I won't watch a football game that doesn't entertain me. I've had a much more pleasant experience watching games after disconnecting myself from caring so much about what the outcome of the game is. So I don't care if these guys play again or not. They have an opportunity to make a lot of money playing a game, and if they want to squander that, then that is their choice and I'd be right next to msommer, playing the world's second smallest violin

At the end of the day, the NFL has an image to uphold. I don't believe for a second that they have some high moral high ground they want to take with these cases. They don't want people to look at the NFL as a bunch of thugs beating women/children, doing drugs, and fighting dogs. As long as you aren't doing it while employed by the NFL, you're good. As long as you don't have a video that invokes outrage, you're good. That's ridiculous. But it's reality, and I think we all can agree on that. 

I agree, however, that one mistake shouldn't mean that someone's career is over. Serve your punishment and go from there. Hunt has more than just 1 mistake we are now learning, so maybe he needs some help with anger issues. Maybe he's a misguided young adult that really just needs direction in his life. Maybe this is his wake up call. If he takes that call to heart, does the NFL tell him, "sorry, too little too late?" Hunt should serve his punishment and then see what his options are (and for his sake I hope he has options... I'll repeat again, I own zero stock in Kareem Hunt)

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I don't justify what he did. I think it's sensationalized in general (people are acting like he sent her to the ICU or that he threw her into a basket full of puppies and set the basket on fire), but at the end of the day he did exhibit violence toward her, which is unacceptable. To never play again... I couldn't care less. These guys play a child's game and make a sickening amount of money to do it; they are entertainers... over-paid entertainers. I won't watch a movie that doesn't entertain me, and I won't watch a football game that doesn't entertain me. I've had a much more pleasant experience watching games after disconnecting myself from caring so much about what the outcome of the game is. So I don't care if these guys play again or not. They have an opportunity to make a lot of money playing a game, and if they want to squander that, then that is their choice and I'd be right next to msommer, playing the world's second smallest violin

At the end of the day, the NFL has an image to uphold. I don't believe for a second that they have some high moral high ground they want to take with these cases. They don't want people to look at the NFL as a bunch of thugs beating women/children, doing drugs, and fighting dogs. As long as you aren't doing it while employed by the NFL, you're good. As long as you don't have a video that evokes outrage, you're good. That's ridiculous. But it's reality, and I think we all can agree on that. 

I agree, however, that one mistake shouldn't mean that someone's career is over. Serve your punishment and go from there. Hunt has more than just 1 mistake we are now learning, so maybe he needs some help with anger issues. Maybe he's a misguided young adult that really just needs direction in his life. Maybe this is his wake up call. If he takes that call to heart, does the NFL tell him, "sorry, too little too late?" Hunt should serve his punishment and then see what his options are (and for his sake I hope he has options... I'll repeat again, I own zero stock in Kareem Hunt)

Kind of off topic but why do you feel they are over-paid?  Should the owners get all the money?  Without the players there is no product.  The owners are still doing quite well "over-paying" their talent.

 

[Interseptopus]

Kind of off topic but why do you feel they are over-paid?  Should the owners get all the money?  Without the players there is no product.  The owners are still doing quite well "over-paying" their talent.

I think that industry in general is far over-paid. It's entertainment, and it generates a lot of money, so it is what it is. But at the end of the day, they play a game. 

Bryce Harper rejected a 300 million dollar contract offer from the Nationals. I'm all about everyone maximizing their profit with their careers or businesses, but at what point is enough money enough? That's all.