Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Even if it was a suicide attempt, suicide isn't a criminal offence is it?
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Breaking News - Terrell Owens Rushed to local hospital (2 Viewers)
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Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
JaxBill
Footballguy
That's my question as well.
In California at least anyone who makes a true suicide attempt would be placed on a 72 hour hold against their will. They certainly wouldn't be out of the hospital in 12 hours. My guess is this is some orderly who works at the hospital who wanted to be a big man and jumped toa conclusion and then called someone at a radio station/newspaper.
Significant Shrinkage
Footballguy
I really think you're reaching here. He's still TO and still a huge distraction. Even if he gets some assistance w/ his depression/low self esteem, I think with his age, history, and the risk of a "relapse" for lack of a better word, I'm not sure many would be knocking at the doorproninja said:
CBS 8 just said he was still at Baylor Medical Center.
Random
Footballguy
Yea, we heard.
stp-d
Footballguy
Don't kid yourself, some of us don't care about anonymity. We're not cruel people, you just don't understand the true hatred that exists between the Eagles & Cowboys. In all honesty, most Eagles fans I know are more generous, caring people than you would find at most churches. Eagles fans don't hate based on age, race, creed, color like many folks out there do, we only hate the Cowboys & Cowboy fans. I have plenty of empathy for mentally unstable people, and I choose not to profit on those who are mentally unstable. Can the NFL say the same thing?Doesn't really shock me.People, when allowed to be anonymous, are pretty inhumane. We've seen a lot of it on here today.Notice how none of the "established" posters are reacting with vicious comments. People will do a lot of idiotic things when they can't be traced.Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio just stated that 70% of the responses he is getting on this from listeners is it is another TO stunt.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Ed Werder is saying that 49ers officials and Eagles officials approached him in the past asking him to get tested for mental disorders due to his unpredictable mood swings and behavior. Werder says that he was offended by the comments.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Ed Werder confirming that the 49ers and Eagles organizations approached TO about seeking help for his mental stability and he turned down their request and only pissed him off even more. Good for those teams.
yeah it is in most states.
M
mojorizin
Guest
I dont think we can bash the NFL for this. I'm certain they'd rather have 1400+ players that were all great people, but the bottom line is that many athletes are simply far from that and it wont change. They have to put butts in seats and unless its gross misconduct there isnt much they can do. If we only allowed intelligent, likeable, well-adjusted people in professional sports the NBA wouldnt even exist. They can't hurt teams and the league and fans by denying a man the right to ply his trade without just cause, they cant fight lawsuit after lawsuit because of it either. We want to see the most exciting product they can provide, and most of those players arent straight A students with great families and nurturing backgrounds. Would WE play fantasy football or spend Sunday and monday glued to TV, radio and computer screen if we had to thrill to the exploits of William Chadsworth III who plays football when not caring for cancer patients? I doubt it.
To this point T.O. has been a problem child because of his attitude. He's never been violent, never done drugs that we know of, doesnt have an alcohol problem, and gives you 100% when he's out on the field. He's made some poor judgement calls with coaches teammates, media, agents and so forth. I dont think he's ever comprehended that there was even another way. To find that he has other mental problems just makes it more clear.
To this point T.O. has been a problem child because of his attitude. He's never been violent, never done drugs that we know of, doesnt have an alcohol problem, and gives you 100% when he's out on the field. He's made some poor judgement calls with coaches teammates, media, agents and so forth. I dont think he's ever comprehended that there was even another way. To find that he has other mental problems just makes it more clear.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Yeah, it is.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Actually, it's not TO being TO, it's us being us.Society makes freaks. Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor and TO are just a few examples.
my man otis
Footballguy
any lawyers in the house?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why is that? If I tried to kill myself, would that mean I'd never go back to work?
And Herd is a feaking idiot, homer too.Herd also added that the majority of his listerners are usually right.Herd did indicate he doesn't agree in this case with the majority of listeners.(I'm just reporting on what Herd stated)Doesn't really shock me.People, when allowed to be anonymous, are pretty inhumane. We've seen a lot of it on here today.Notice how none of the "established" posters are reacting with vicious comments. People will do a lot of idiotic things when they can't be traced.Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio just stated that 70% of the responses he is getting on this from listeners is it is another TO stunt.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm shocked.
I'm somewhat speechless however I read that he was doing this while his friend was in the room where he was at...if your going to kill yourself I would think there are easier ways.
I remember TO doing an interview when he wss still with the 49ers...it was a MNF game where he was talking to Jim Grey. He was very frank about how he didn't even like football all that much. Maybe that was a sign that he feels trapped in football. Even though he's physically gifted and great as a WR...maybe he truly doesn't like playing the sports and he thought this was a way out.
We don't have all the facts yet and I want to learn more b4 making a true opinion.
I'm somewhat speechless however I read that he was doing this while his friend was in the room where he was at...if your going to kill yourself I would think there are easier ways.
I remember TO doing an interview when he wss still with the 49ers...it was a MNF game where he was talking to Jim Grey. He was very frank about how he didn't even like football all that much. Maybe that was a sign that he feels trapped in football. Even though he's physically gifted and great as a WR...maybe he truly doesn't like playing the sports and he thought this was a way out.
We don't have all the facts yet and I want to learn more b4 making a true opinion.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Interesting. So you can be charged with attempting suicide, but what happens if you succeed? What's the point, they can't charge you post-mortem. Serious question.
Ed Werder reported on Cold Pizza not 35 minutes ago (by phone) that both the 49ers and Eagles had asked TO get himself checked out because he seemed mentally unstable at times.
No link, sorry. TV.
No link, sorry. TV.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Only in the eyes of God.Edited to say, I guess some states do, but that's ridiculous.
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Ah, so you're a nice guy, except when it comes to something as meaningless as a football rivalry?Fantastic.Don't kid yourself, some of us don't care about anonymity. We're not cruel people, you just don't understand the true hatred that exists between the Eagles & Cowboys.Doesn't really shock me.People, when allowed to be anonymous, are pretty inhumane. We've seen a lot of it on here today.Notice how none of the "established" posters are reacting with vicious comments. People will do a lot of idiotic things when they can't be traced.Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio just stated that 70% of the responses he is getting on this from listeners is it is another TO stunt.
In California, suicide is a crime, I've even heard of prosecutions for the attempt here. Most importantly people who "help" someone attempt suicide are certainly investigated. I still think this is a nonstory. If he is still in the hospital then everything I said above would be taken with a caveat.
dgreen
Footballguy
I'm guessing T.O.'s employer invests a little more in him than your employer does in you.I'm not saying his career in the NFL would be over, just saying I think his career is much, much different than yours.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
You are another sad example why so many people kill themselves instead of seeking help. We are a social people. If you isolate yourself and try to bury your problems instead of seeking help, you are acting contrary to your humanic wiring. It doesn't matter how things SHOULD be. It matters how things are. If someone is mentally ill, it helps to seek medical attention. I was on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics for 7 years. I recently went off of them. They helped me get to a place where I could learn to help myself. However, without them, I would most likely be a dead body rotting in the ground. It's never cool to tell someone to just deal with it. That's one of the reasons we have mental illness in the first place.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
rolyaTy said:
Those have been my thoughts since before this happened.Anyway, I am just hoping this is bogus. If not, hopefully TO will get some help. :(
tomarken
Footballguy
Yeah, Ed Werder is one crazy mofo.
shamrock84
Footballguy
I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure it is illegal to kill yourself.
You hate Santa Claus!Don't kid yourself, some of us don't care about anonymity. We're not cruel people, you just don't understand the true hatred that exists between the Eagles & Cowboys. In all honesty, most Eagles fans I know are more generous, caring people than you would find at most churches. Eagles fans don't hate based on age, race, creed, color like many folks out there do, we only hate the Cowboys & Cowboy fans. I have plenty of empathy for mentally unstable people, and I choose not to profit on those who are mentally unstable. Can the NFL say the same thing?Doesn't really shock me.People, when allowed to be anonymous, are pretty inhumane. We've seen a lot of it on here today.Notice how none of the "established" posters are reacting with vicious comments. People will do a lot of idiotic things when they can't be traced.Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio just stated that 70% of the responses he is getting on this from listeners is it is another TO stunt.
my man otis
Footballguy
and in texas?
Capella
Footballguy
Why is it ridiculous? This kind of thing saps city resources.
Do you ever contribute anything of consequence?
Flyin Pigs
Footballguy
Only speaking for GA...suicide is not a criminal act...no law against it. Only law that I can find re: suicide is for assisting in suicide.
culdeus
Footballguy
He wasn't playing this week anyway with the finger thing.
There is a national debate about assisted suicide for terminally ill patients. In all states besides Oregon you can go to jail for many many years for helping people commit suicide. And at least in California, attempted suicide can be considered a crime.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
So what does his career being different from mine have to do with the price of tea in china? By having so much invested in TO, you would think it would have the opposite affect, meaning they have a vested interest in seeing that TO is treated so he can come back to work.
TO is doing this for attention. If he really wanted to kill himself, there are much more efficient ways of doing so.
shamrock84
Footballguy
"Suicide is defined as taking one's own life. Suicide and attempted suicide no longer are crimes in Texas. However, it is a crime to intentionally aid or attempt to aid another person to commit suicide. If the assisted suicide is successful, or if it causes serious bodily injury, the crime is a state jail felony; otherwise it is a Class C misdemeanor."
Linky
Linky
BigRed
Footballguy
Gee I can't imagine why.Multiple bannings are probably in order as well but probably won't happen. Too bad. I'm as anti-Owens as anyone but death isn't funny, to include attempted suicide, but not surprising that a number of people on here would disagree. Anyway -
I also have to wonder if this was a "true" attempt at such or something where he swallowed just a few more pills than a normal dosage (ie not a serious threat to his life) as yet another (and the most bizarre obviously) attention-getter.
PS was watching ESPN a bit ago, nothing new yet....probably won't hear much of anything till late afternoon I'm betting. Found this posted awhile ago, probably nothing new here but FYI:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/27/...in2042282.shtml
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Trap Play
Footballguy
I think it is clear that TO need help, and I hope that he acknowledeges this and receives it. However, I can't say that the thought that this was all a stunt to get the media to lighten up on him didn't cross my mind. As MOP pointed out, why attempt suicide when someone is in the room with you? Surely, this is a cry for help, but I don't think TO truly wanted to kill himself either.
Flyin Pigs
Footballguy
Thank you Shamrock
rolyaTy
You're Heinous
Yeah, maybe he wasn't trying to kill himself at all, and this story is just another example of the TO amplification factor in the media. But if it's true, most suicide attempts are cry's for help. If you're serious about suicide, there's no "attempt" about it. Methinks there is more to the story.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
While this is bordering on an ethical debate, I can see why assisted suicide would be included in the criminal code.But, attempting to, or committing suicide, on your own is a different animal, IMO. It will be interesting to see if Texas has suicide, attempted or otherwise in their criminal code.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It's ridiculous, because it's kind of hard to charge someone with a crime if they are successful. It can motivate someone to be successful.
zoonation
Footballguy
I think the jobs are likely different. Imagine what TO is going to have to deal with now...he is already the media's favorite target, now they will come in for the kill.I just think that if he really tried to kill himself, which I don't believe just yet, it will be difficult for him to continue playing football under that TO-sized spotlight. But, maybe you're right (and I hope so for his sake)
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
For the first (and probably last) time in my life, BigRed gets a
