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Breaking News - Terrell Owens Rushed to local hospital (1 Viewer)

For example, let's assume the initial reports of attempting to harm himself were true, but he turned up at the hospital, had his stomach pumped and is otherwise out of physical danger, and is now denying that he was attempting to hurt himself - perhaps by saying that he didn't know what he was saying. Moreover, his agent or attorney is also there and threatening to sue if he's not released because of the negative effect that this would have on his reputation and public image.

What do you think the hospital realistically will do given that situation? Go to court and seek injunctive relief that enables them to keep him involuntarily in their care for 72 (or whatever number of) hours for observation, or release him to the care of someone in his entourage who is insisting no doubt that they'll monitor him?
again, they didn't even keep him 24 hours, let alone 72and i think they would have no problem defending a decision to keep him a little while to make sure he's not a danger rather than risk releasing someone who's unstable, regardless of his celebrity status. they're going to take the word of someone they think attempted suicide less than 12 hours ago? doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:
You're not getting it. If he doesn't want to be there they can't keep him unless they seek a court order to do so.
you're telling me that someone comes into the hospital that the cops say has attempted suicide. there's evidence of it (pills in his system). two hours later he says it was a mistake, the hospital is not allowed to keep him there for his own safety?
First of all, it wasn't two hours later it was overnight. Secondly, the answer to your question otherwise is "yes" unless the hospital staff is observing on its own that he's engaging in behavior suggesting that he might harm himself. You're arguing this as if every attempted suicide results in involuntary commitment - it doesn't. Think how hard it is in terms of the hoops that law enforcement has to jump through to get a criminal suspect into custody, and then think how hard it must be for a health care facility to take custody of a non-criminal.

In some respects it's harder than it should be but I can guarantee you that Baylor wanted no part of the TO media fest, felt comfortable enough that - whatever had occurred before - they had no reason on their own to believe he was a harm to himself and they no doubt released him to the custody of someone who was vouching for him and their willingness to monitor him.

The hospital is in between a rock and a hard place in these situations for the reasons we've been discussing, and the celebrity status of TO as a patient only makes this more volatile for them.

 
Attempt #3 - No, nobody cares what a group of Cowboys fans with the same or less information then the rest of the world has thinks about this subject. If you have MORE information then has been posted on this thread so far that would support your position then please enlighten us. If not, then you and all the other Cowboy fan poll participants are speculating just like the rest of us.Is that clear enough for you?
Please stop acting as though you speak for everyone. It's not your business to tell others they can't post things like what he posted. He did or said nothing out of line, even if you personally don't think it's worth anything. I'm really sick of people feeling they have the right to rip others whenever they feel like it. It didn't used to be allowed, but now it's become the norm.
I've been mentioned as one of the better Cowboys posters. I was just trying to share what Cowboy fans thought. :shrug:
 
For example, let's assume the initial reports of attempting to harm himself were true, but he turned up at the hospital, had his stomach pumped and is otherwise out of physical danger, and is now denying that he was attempting to hurt himself - perhaps by saying that he didn't know what he was saying. Moreover, his agent or attorney is also there and threatening to sue if he's not released because of the negative effect that this would have on his reputation and public image.

What do you think the hospital realistically will do given that situation? Go to court and seek injunctive relief that enables them to keep him involuntarily in their care for 72 (or whatever number of) hours for observation, or release him to the care of someone in his entourage who is insisting no doubt that they'll monitor him?
again, they didn't even keep him 24 hours, let alone 72and i think they would have no problem defending a decision to keep him a little while to make sure he's not a danger rather than risk releasing someone who's unstable, regardless of his celebrity status. they're going to take the word of someone they think attempted suicide less than 12 hours ago? doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:
You're not getting it. If he doesn't want to be there they can't keep him unless they seek a court order to do so.
you're telling me that someone comes into the hospital that the cops say has attempted suicide. there's evidence of it (pills in his system). two hours later he says it was a mistake, the hospital is not allowed to keep him there for his own safety?
First of all, it wasn't two hours later it was overnight. Secondly, the answer to your question otherwise is "yes" unless the hospital staff is observing on its own that he's engaging in behavior suggesting that he might harm himself.
and what i'm saying is that position is much more easy to defend even though it's a potential civil rights violation vs. releasing someone who isn't stable, having him walk outside the lobby and assault someone. obviously that's extreme, but weighing liability here, having a doctor fudge his medical opinion for 24 hours to make sure there's no danger seems like a no brainer
 
14 minutes until TO speaks...Sportscenter has had it on for a while now. Hoping I catch some sort of news before I leave.

From a fantasy standpoint...sell now or buy? Some teams may be worried about the news so is now a good time to try and buy TO low? Sorry if this should be in another thread or whatnot.

 
Attempt #3 - No, nobody cares what a group of Cowboys fans with the same or less information then the rest of the world has thinks about this subject. If you have MORE information then has been posted on this thread so far that would support your position then please enlighten us. If not, then you and all the other Cowboy fan poll participants are speculating just like the rest of us.Is that clear enough for you?
Please stop acting as though you speak for everyone. It's not your business to tell others they can't post things like what he posted. He did or said nothing out of line, even if you personally don't think it's worth anything. I'm really sick of people feeling they have the right to rip others whenever they feel like it. It didn't used to be allowed, but now it's become the norm.
I've been mentioned as one of the better Cowboys posters. I was just trying to share what Cowboy fans thought. :shrug:
You *are* one of the better Cowboys posters. They're my favorite team, too. I thought your sharing of the poll was helpful (thanks!) and don't get why the self-appointed Board Police had an issue with it.
 
If someone turns up in my emergency room as a suspected suicide attempt and I clear him medically, I am medically and legally bound to have him evaluated by a psychiatrist. There are no ifs ands or buts here. If the psychiatrist has any inkling that he may be a danger to himself or others, he is medically and legally bound to place the patient under involuntary hold.
How is this enforced, in practice, with a recalcitrant patient? What would keep the patient from hopping out of bed and walking out of the door? Would an attempted-suicide have a police detail just outside their room?
 
For example, let's assume the initial reports of attempting to harm himself were true, but he turned up at the hospital, had his stomach pumped and is otherwise out of physical danger, and is now denying that he was attempting to hurt himself - perhaps by saying that he didn't know what he was saying. Moreover, his agent or attorney is also there and threatening to sue if he's not released because of the negative effect that this would have on his reputation and public image. What do you think the hospital realistically will do given that situation? Go to court and seek injunctive relief that enables them to keep him involuntarily in their care for 72 (or whatever number of) hours for observation, or release him to the care of someone in his entourage who is insisting no doubt that they'll monitor him?
again, they didn't even keep him 24 hours, let alone 72and i think they would have no problem defending a decision to keep him a little while to make sure he's not a danger rather than risk releasing someone who's unstable, regardless of his celebrity status. they're going to take the word of someone they think attempted suicide less than 12 hours ago? doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:
This I can answer for fact. If someone turns up in my emergency room as a suspected suicide attempt and I clear him medically, I am medically and legally bound to have him evaluated by a psychiatrist. There are no ifs ands or buts here. If the psychiatrist has any inkling that he may be a danger to himself or others, he is medically and legally bound to place the patient under involuntary hold. If the patients lawyer wants to get him released he must go to court to do that. The lawyer can't keep the psychiatrist or other authorized medical personal from instituting the hold, he must go to court.
Thanks for the insight WD,When you say have him evaluated by a psychiatrist, do you mean right then? In other words, he stays there at the hospital until he is evaluated?J
At least in California, where I practice, yes he MUST stay until the psychiatrist evaluates him. I can hold him against his will. California law is very clear on this. This is what I said page 13 or 14 of this thread, there is no credible evidence that he attempted suicide, because the facts as we know them just don't read like a suicide attempt.Think of it the other way, I let him go. He takes an overdose and dies - my insurance company will be settling with the family very quickly and even worse suppose he takes an OD and gets in a car and kills someone else. MD up the creek, possibly even losing his license.
 
Attempt #3 - No, nobody cares what a group of Cowboys fans with the same or less information then the rest of the world has thinks about this subject. If you have MORE information then has been posted on this thread so far that would support your position then please enlighten us. If not, then you and all the other Cowboy fan poll participants are speculating just like the rest of us.Is that clear enough for you?
Please stop acting as though you speak for everyone. It's not your business to tell others they can't post things like what he posted. He did or said nothing out of line, even if you personally don't think it's worth anything. I'm really sick of people feeling they have the right to rip others whenever they feel like it. It didn't used to be allowed, but now it's become the norm.
I've been mentioned as one of the better Cowboys posters. I was just trying to share what Cowboy fans thought. :shrug:
Will vouch for Bankerguy being a great source of news and opinion on the Dallas Cowboys also add Ridgelake to that list
 
If someone turns up in my emergency room as a suspected suicide attempt and I clear him medically, I am medically and legally bound to have him evaluated by a psychiatrist. There are no ifs ands or buts here. If the psychiatrist has any inkling that he may be a danger to himself or others, he is medically and legally bound to place the patient under involuntary hold.
How is this enforced, in practice, with a recalcitrant patient? What would keep the patient from hopping out of bed and walking out of the door? Would an attempted-suicide have a police detail just outside their room?
Our hospital has private security. they would be posted outside his room. He can be tied to a bed with restraints. Occiaisonally if it a risk of harm to others handcuffs and police.
 
If someone turns up in my emergency room as a suspected suicide attempt and I clear him medically, I am medically and legally bound to have him evaluated by a psychiatrist. There are no ifs ands or buts here. If the psychiatrist has any inkling that he may be a danger to himself or others, he is medically and legally bound to place the patient under involuntary hold.
How is this enforced, in practice, with a recalcitrant patient? What would keep the patient from hopping out of bed and walking out of the door? Would an attempted-suicide have a police detail just outside their room?
Security guards, restraints, and if necessary, the police.
 
I worked for a Community Mental Center for a couple of years and we provided service to the County ER. When needed, I would go to the ER to evaluate a potential psych patient. Granted, I am not a Doctor. I have a bachelors. Regardless, the patient had to wait until I arrived. I had to arrive within an hour. I would evaluate the situation, mostly by talking to the patient, gathering history, etc. If any family members were available, I would talk to them as well. After gathering as much information as I could, I would consult with the psychiatrist on call as well as the ER Doc. A decision would be made. If a 72 Emergency Detention was called for, I would call the Judge on call. Explain everything and get the judges permission to do the E.D. The form gets filled out, the ER doc signs, and the next day, I would go to the Courts to get the Judges Sig. (considering this was done after hours). To be honest, it did not take much to get somebody committed for 72 hours. On the other hand, depending on the history of the patient, the patient could do some extreme stuff and still get sent home. I saw somebody once who had cut all over herself, had blood all over her pants and clothes, and we sent her home. Why? Because that we her history. She was an attention seeker. A cutter. Whatever you want to call it. Regardless, she was not a threat to kill herself. It is just too hard to say what really happened and why. And we will never know. Privacy and confidentiality. I am sure the Doc provided an analysis and offered some psych diagnosis. And there are indeed certain diagnoses where given TO's story, he could have indeed injested all those pills, made some threat, but still get sent home if he were in the care of others willing to assume responsibility.

 
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For example, let's assume the initial reports of attempting to harm himself were true, but he turned up at the hospital, had his stomach pumped and is otherwise out of physical danger, and is now denying that he was attempting to hurt himself - perhaps by saying that he didn't know what he was saying. Moreover, his agent or attorney is also there and threatening to sue if he's not released because of the negative effect that this would have on his reputation and public image.

What do you think the hospital realistically will do given that situation? Go to court and seek injunctive relief that enables them to keep him involuntarily in their care for 72 (or whatever number of) hours for observation, or release him to the care of someone in his entourage who is insisting no doubt that they'll monitor him?
again, they didn't even keep him 24 hours, let alone 72and i think they would have no problem defending a decision to keep him a little while to make sure he's not a danger rather than risk releasing someone who's unstable, regardless of his celebrity status. they're going to take the word of someone they think attempted suicide less than 12 hours ago? doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:
You're not getting it. If he doesn't want to be there they can't keep him unless they seek a court order to do so.
I can somewhat vouch for what Redman is saying. Unfortunately, experience has taught me that in MD, a person cannot be held against their will in a hospital unless 2 doctors confirm, indpendently, that they are a danger to themselves and others. There is actually a hearing in the hospital if the patient, or someone on their behalf, contests this finding. Being a "danger to themselves or others" is also evaluated frequently. Sometimes as often as asking the patient hourly "do you still feel like harming yourself?" If the answer is negative, the burden is then on the doctor to provide other valid reasons for determining the patient is dangerous to self or others.

 
If someone turns up in my emergency room as a suspected suicide attempt and I clear him medically, I am medically and legally bound to have him evaluated by a psychiatrist. There are no ifs ands or buts here. If the psychiatrist has any inkling that he may be a danger to himself or others, he is medically and legally bound to place the patient under involuntary hold.
How is this enforced, in practice, with a recalcitrant patient? What would keep the patient from hopping out of bed and walking out of the door? Would an attempted-suicide have a police detail just outside their room?
In my state, when there is an attempt to harm oneself, law enforcement is immediately involved and would be involved until a judge ruled whether they should be held for the 72 hour period or not. So yes, in Iowa, law enforcement officials would remain in the hospital until a ruling is made. I've done it many, many times.
 
More facts.....RECAP: Dallas Police Briefing... ::EDITED:: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Police PCHow this information got out, we don't know.The official statement is that we WILL NOT have any further investigation on this matter. Anything more you need to know, will have to be obtained from Mr. Owens or the medical staff.We are not confirming or denying anything.I will not speculate on what happened.If you want the 911 tape you will have to make the request to the Fire Department. They are the keeper of the tapes.We are not persuing this as a criminal offense.I will not comment on the validity of the document (police report) you have.That's all.
Translation: our inexperienced responding officer misinterpreted the situation, filed a report that needlessly contained severe inaccuracies instead of just stating the KNOWN facts as such reports are supposed to do (that's why they have detectives who follow up), touched off a media firestorm, has enormous legal implications, and now we are backing away as fast as our legs will carry us.
The report I read only contains statement given to the responding officers by the reporting party (unclear if the RP is the woman or the EMT). One area is unclear regarding whether the statements were made by the reporting party or the complainant (TO). Regardless, they are a record of what was said to the responding officer. There is no interpretation of the facts listed in the narrative. They reported what they were told at the scene. No more, no less. The police position is likely stating the obvious, that this is not a police matter so don't ask us about any of this mess because we just came to the scene like we were asked to do and wrote some stuff down like we are required to do...nothing more, nothing less. Translation: Regardless of what happened, this is a medical issue and not a police issue, ask the medical folks.
Its the way it should be. PD was first reponder, will have to make an entry regarding their response, and if determined it is not a police matter, they may not even file a more formal report. I see it all the time. I try to track down a report and discover that the only record in existence is the response report. If there are no criminal charges to be filed, there is no reason for further.
agreed Mojo. That was my point, that this was only the observations and reports made to the 1st responder and that the whole police screwed up and are backing away line of reasoning is baseless...of course I went away for 30 minutes and am now 4 pages behind, so things may have changed. ;)
 
For example, let's assume the initial reports of attempting to harm himself were true, but he turned up at the hospital, had his stomach pumped and is otherwise out of physical danger, and is now denying that he was attempting to hurt himself - perhaps by saying that he didn't know what he was saying. Moreover, his agent or attorney is also there and threatening to sue if he's not released because of the negative effect that this would have on his reputation and public image.

What do you think the hospital realistically will do given that situation? Go to court and seek injunctive relief that enables them to keep him involuntarily in their care for 72 (or whatever number of) hours for observation, or release him to the care of someone in his entourage who is insisting no doubt that they'll monitor him?
again, they didn't even keep him 24 hours, let alone 72and i think they would have no problem defending a decision to keep him a little while to make sure he's not a danger rather than risk releasing someone who's unstable, regardless of his celebrity status. they're going to take the word of someone they think attempted suicide less than 12 hours ago? doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:
You're not getting it. If he doesn't want to be there they can't keep him unless they seek a court order to do so.
I can somewhat vouch for what Redman is saying. Unfortunately, experience has taught me that in MD, a person cannot be held against their will in a hospital unless 2 doctors confirm, indpendently, that they are a danger to themselves and others. There is actually a hearing in the hospital if the patient, or someone on their behalf, contests this finding. Being a "danger to themselves or others" is also evaluated frequently. Sometimes as often as asking the patient hourly "do you still feel like harming yourself?" If the answer is negative, the burden is then on the doctor to provide other valid reasons for determining the patient is dangerous to self or others.
interesting, good discussion btw. sounds like the fact that he was released so soon isn't necessarily indicative that it wasn't some type of a suicide attempt.
 
Does anyone know, or even heard, what the NFL's policy is in regard to an attempted suicide or a diagnosis of depression? It is my understanding there is a "mental health" section in the player's agreement. Aside from speculating on what the hospital may or may not do, is there any sense of what the Cowboys or the league may be entitled to do or made to do within the confines of the CBA?

 
Not sure if this has been posted but:

Terrell Owens will be listed as questionable on the injury report.

A Dallas executive detailed the news after reading aloud a team statement that is linked below. The fact Owens is questionable, and not out, speaks volumes about T.O.'s chances of returning to the Cowboys in relatively short fashion. Coach Bill Parcells wouldn't rule out Owens playing, but didn't give much information otherwise.

 
I just got T.O and Culpepper (dynasty league) for Santana Moss and Mike Turner. The guy didnt even think for 5 minutes......

Just to give you all what his value is right now at this second.
We have a thread in here for bashing reporters for ruining fantast football and then comments like this make fantast football look bad. This guy may have tried to end his life and wether we like him or not it is a life. So now you hvae people running and trying to benefit their fantast team off this bad situation. Happened the other day with Simms too. People like this should be ashamed and maybe we should be bashing them and not the media.
I'm pretty sure this is what Studs N' Duds always talks about playing with his friend moobers.
it's actually Kipper, and kipper has Terler on his team.
 
Well, if it was all misinterpreted and he didn't attempt suicide, I hate him even more. Today I started feeling sorry for him, and praying he would be ok. I just heard he is laughing it off, saying the suicide report is totally false.

What a jerk.

 
For example, let's assume the initial reports of attempting to harm himself were true, but he turned up at the hospital, had his stomach pumped and is otherwise out of physical danger, and is now denying that he was attempting to hurt himself - perhaps by saying that he didn't know what he was saying. Moreover, his agent or attorney is also there and threatening to sue if he's not released because of the negative effect that this would have on his reputation and public image.

What do you think the hospital realistically will do given that situation? Go to court and seek injunctive relief that enables them to keep him involuntarily in their care for 72 (or whatever number of) hours for observation, or release him to the care of someone in his entourage who is insisting no doubt that they'll monitor him?
again, they didn't even keep him 24 hours, let alone 72and i think they would have no problem defending a decision to keep him a little while to make sure he's not a danger rather than risk releasing someone who's unstable, regardless of his celebrity status. they're going to take the word of someone they think attempted suicide less than 12 hours ago? doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:
You're not getting it. If he doesn't want to be there they can't keep him unless they seek a court order to do so.
I can somewhat vouch for what Redman is saying. Unfortunately, experience has taught me that in MD, a person cannot be held against their will in a hospital unless 2 doctors confirm, indpendently, that they are a danger to themselves and others. There is actually a hearing in the hospital if the patient, or someone on their behalf, contests this finding. Being a "danger to themselves or others" is also evaluated frequently. Sometimes as often as asking the patient hourly "do you still feel like harming yourself?" If the answer is negative, the burden is then on the doctor to provide other valid reasons for determining the patient is dangerous to self or others.
interesting, good discussion btw. sounds like the fact that he was released so soon isn't necessarily indicative that it wasn't some type of a suicide attempt.
I would agree with this. There's just too much liability in letting him out if he made a serious attempt to hurt himself..
 
Lifetime friend works for CNN (and more specifically, Nancy Grace (sorry)) and sent me an e-mail stating this:

"Well folks, here comes the spin-TO's publicist says the medication mixed with nutritional supplements, and him being very "tired" was the reason he said he was trying to hurt himself....."

I'm asking him for some sort of link or confirmation now since this thread demonstrated how important this verification is....

 
just heard he practiced today after leaving the hospital. I'm starting to think there is not story here. This is all being overblown...He practiced today? No way he tried to hurt himself then...This is the media turning nothing into something yet again..

 
Here's a snippet from Bledsoe:

Bledsoe said it's "obvious" that T.O. did not intend to hurt himself and that the two of them played catch less than twenty minutes ago. The Ticket ticker reports that T.O. is currently running sprints on the practice field. Clearly near death's door.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/

 
Well, if it was all misinterpreted and he didn't attempt suicide, I hate him even more. Today I started feeling sorry for him, and praying he would be ok. I just heard he is laughing it off, saying the suicide report is totally false.

What a jerk.
Sooo, if this was all one big rush to judgement by the police and media and TO didn't attempt suicide......HE'S a jerk?? :loco:

 
To those who think this is all a ploy for attention...

Yes, people do attempt suicide just to get attention. It would seem bizarre to most of us, but it does happen. But what you're missing is that for the most part those people do so because they believe it's the only way they can get that attention. It's an act of desperation.

Terrell Owens, whatever you think of him, is not some kid from a small-town with a bad family situation and no friends. This guy can get attention any time he wants it, and as we all know he's very good at getting it.

Think it through even further... why would he do this for attention now? He's ten days away from what would be the most-hyped game of his career. As soon as the games end on Sunday, the whole NFL was going to be all about TO for a solid week, starting with the Eagles on MNF. It was going to be around-the-clock Owens.

As much as a diva as he is, do you really think he would risk his life just to get some attention for an extra few days? That just doesn't make any sense.

 
It's clear that the laws concerning detention of suicides varies greatly from state to state. His quick release may not be particularly meaningful either way, as our experiences in other states won't apply.

...

Something else occured to me, though it is mere speculation: It may have been a bona fide suicide attempt, but Etheridge and Owens had the presence of mind to come up with a plausible cover story between the time T.O. spoke to the police and the time he spoke to the doctors.

 
Dont the words "act as if nothing happened" mean anything. He obviously did this, regrets it and is now going to try to sweep it under the rug.

 
Thanks god, apology to organization for the distraction.

Took pain pills, got treatment for his hand. He was groggy and took some extra pills. The other pills(from empty bottle) were in his drawer.

 
TO is saying no suicide attempt. Says he was just groggy and took pills with his supps. Accidently got mixed with supp pills and his attendant got confused...

 
Rumor that he got his stomach pumped denied.

Says he wasn't coherent when cops asked if he tried to harm himself. Didn't remember the cops or doctors.

 
Lifetime friend works for CNN (and more specifically, Nancy Grace (sorry)) and sent me an e-mail stating this:"Well folks, here comes the spin-TO's publicist says the medication mixed with nutritional supplements, and him being very "tired" was the reason he said he was trying to hurt himself....."I'm asking him for some sort of link or confirmation now since this thread demonstrated how important this verification is....
From friend:"Lemme see what i can find, that was from the local dallas affiliate's sports guy, who was on CNN a few mins ago.....He is holding a press conference now......."
 
Well, if it was all misinterpreted and he didn't attempt suicide, I hate him even more. Today I started feeling sorry for him, and praying he would be ok. I just heard he is laughing it off, saying the suicide report is totally false.

What a jerk.
Sooo, if this was all one big rush to judgement by the police and media and TO didn't attempt suicide......HE'S a jerk?? :loco:
Exactly, that made no sense.It's obvious the media is spinning this thing. ESPN started this trend IMO. Sportscenter is nothing more than the "60 Minutes" of the sports world now and I refuse to watch, it makes me sick. It's ridiculous.

 
Doesn't remember the training attendant leaving after 5 and doesnt know how long he was sleeping on the table.

Took extra pills with supplements, 2 to 3 extra.

Thinks he can play on Sunday.

 

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