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Why?This is far from over.For a brief moment I bought the TO spin. Now, not so much.
Why?This is far from over.For a brief moment I bought the TO spin. Now, not so much.
This is pretty much the way I see it. This "who do you believe, the cops or TO" angle doesn't work. The cops showed up, saw a guy who was loopy on pills and a woman who was panicking. They asked him some standard questions, and got one-word answers that they recorded in the report. They rushed him to hospital for treatment.Guys... the police report may be entirely accurate. The vast bulk of it is simply relaying what the PR girl told them. It would be like if the cops broke up a domestic dispute and you only looked at one sides statement. That doesnt mean the cops are drawing those conclusions. The only thing the cops observed was asking TO in the hospital if he was trying to harm himself. No-one is disputing TO was disoriented, so it is plausible he misunderstood the question or was confused. The cops did not SEE Owens take any pills. They didnt see him having a medical emergency- the police report indicated it was the PR girls request that he be moved to the ER. If he unresponsive they wouldnt have asked. This has nothing to do with who to believe. The two stories are not mutually exclusive.
I haven't heard anybody say they were entitled to his medical records, and I don't think anyone is entitled to them.What was leaked out and probably shouldn't have been was the police report, though I don't know the privacy laws on police reports. Without that police report going public, the story probably would have died down by now.What do you guys think? Am I wrong in my thoughts about this? Are we entitled to his medical records?
Because he spent more effort denying rumors than saying exactly what happened.Because the story about taking a bunch of supplements (along with the painkillers) seems completely phony as a cause of this. Because he has a history of bending stories to make himself look good, or less bad.Those would be 3 reasons I can think of.Why?This is far from over.For a brief moment I bought the TO spin. Now, not so much.
I don't think anyone will care about this in a month (unless he has more substance-abuse or suicide/depression problems causing more news stories).I think a major investigation is necessary (possibly Congress's involvement if necessary). Pull the 911 tapes, get the doctor records, interview the cops/med staff/EMT's/PR person all on the record to make sure we get to the bottom of this. This is critically important info that I think many people are taking waaaay to lightly....
1. if what actually happened is that simple, and the number of BS reports and theories are that many, which would demand more attention. he was answering their questions, not asking them.2. not to me3. this is a bit vague, but doesn't every celebrity do this? What changed in the last 24 hours?Because he spent more effort denying rumors than saying exactly what happened.Because the story about taking a bunch of supplements (along with the painkillers) seems completely phony as a cause of this. Because he has a history of bending stories to make himself look good, or less bad.Those would be 3 reasons I can think of.Why?This is far from over.For a brief moment I bought the TO spin. Now, not so much.
I'm suprised people care about it this morning....I don't think anyone will care about this in a month (unless he has more substance-abuse or suicide/depression problems causing more news stories).I think a major investigation is necessary (possibly Congress's involvement if necessary). Pull the 911 tapes, get the doctor records, interview the cops/med staff/EMT's/PR person all on the record to make sure we get to the bottom of this. This is critically important info that I think many people are taking waaaay to lightly....
Exactly.Have any of you ever seen what cops do at a medical scene?Guys... the police report may be entirely accurate. The vast bulk of it is simply relaying what the PR girl told them. It would be like if the cops broke up a domestic dispute and you only looked at one sides statement. That doesnt mean the cops are drawing those conclusions. The only thing the cops observed was asking TO in the hospital if he was trying to harm himself. No-one is disputing TO was disoriented, so it is plausible he misunderstood the question or was confused. The cops did not SEE Owens take any pills. They didnt see him having a medical emergency- the police report indicated it was the PR girls request that he be moved to the ER. If he unresponsive they wouldnt have asked. This has nothing to do with who to believe. The two stories are not mutually exclusive.
At the end of the day it doesnt really matter who you believe. The scientific evidence is that TO doesnt appear to be a man who took 35 vicodin. The hospital didnt treat him that way either.
Did you hear Bob Ley yesterday? He kept on and on about how he wanted to talk to the responding Officers and Fire Paramedics to get their perspective. His tone was more demanding than wishing.No way in hell that's gonna happen. No way it should, either. I'll bet his tone would change dramatically if it was him or someone he knew.This may have been asked but what happened to HIPPA? Why doesn't TO have the same legal rights and expectation to privacy regarding his medical records/condition as others?
The reason I ask is that this is the law. In order to have his records made avaible or to even speak on it he has to sign a HIPPA waiver to allow them to do so. And I can assure you he didn't sign anything that allows unautorized persons to see or speak about his medical records/condition ouside of those responsible for is medical attention. And the press isn't one of them.
Now before you reply that he's a public figure, high profile athlete and we have a right to everything, I respectfully disagree. You see high profile college athletes protected by their privacy rights regardless of the media's insistence on wanting more than they are entitled to. The line has been crossed on this IMHO.
At this point it's not about TO anymore. It's about speculation and stretching some opinions into contorted conclusions. After reading numerous articles and listening to all the talking heads of the sports world, it sounds like they feel they are entitled to the truth and/or facts of what happened. Entitled? Are you kidding me? No one is entitled to anyone's medical records especially when he's admitted to the hospital or potentially being treated for a physicalogical condition if that's what it is. This is one the last right's of privacy we truely have and it seems that many have taken liberties on speculating and suggesting as fact what they think is going on rather than allowing him his right to privacy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no TO apologist but this borders on unreasonble journalistic integrity. Why do they suggest they are entitled to know the truth?
I guess I just don't get it or understand how they became in charge of what they say and do when one's privacy is at issue. It seems they have no respect for anyone when it comes to making a story.
What do you guys think? Am I wrong in my thoughts about this? Are we entitled to his medical records?
This is key. We are in the business of getting in the door, finding out basically what's wrong, stabilizing the patient, and getting them to the hospital asap if need be. We are not in the business of finding out everything that happened to the patient that day or what their motivations are. If they are trying to hurt themselves, or if there's been an attempted suicide, we will attempt to ascertain that info, but it's a quick, concise interview process with a patient who's often unreliable due to their condition, and possible witnesses who may or may not know what they are talking about and who also may or may not be reliable.This is pretty much the way I see it. This "who do you believe, the cops or TO" angle doesn't work. The cops showed up, saw a guy who was loopy on pills and a woman who was panicking. They asked him some standard questions, and got one-word answers that they recorded in the report. They rushed him to hospital for treatment.Guys... the police report may be entirely accurate. The vast bulk of it is simply relaying what the PR girl told them. It would be like if the cops broke up a domestic dispute and you only looked at one sides statement. That doesnt mean the cops are drawing those conclusions. The only thing the cops observed was asking TO in the hospital if he was trying to harm himself. No-one is disputing TO was disoriented, so it is plausible he misunderstood the question or was confused. The cops did not SEE Owens take any pills. They didnt see him having a medical emergency- the police report indicated it was the PR girls request that he be moved to the ER. If he unresponsive they wouldnt have asked. This has nothing to do with who to believe. The two stories are not mutually exclusive.
Notice that there's nothing in the above paragraph that contradicts either TO or the police report.
If there's something that happened in the last day or 2 that suddenly made him more believable, I guess I'm just not seeing it. Exactly what "supplements" that he was taking would react with pain medicine to make someone so messed up that emergency help has to be called?1. if what actually happened is that simple, and the number of BS reports and theories are that many, which would demand more attention. he was answering their questions, not asking them.2. not to meBecause he spent more effort denying rumors than saying exactly what happened.Because the story about taking a bunch of supplements (along with the painkillers) seems completely phony as a cause of this.Why?This is far from over.
For a brief moment I bought the TO spin. Now, not so much.
Because he has a history of bending stories to make himself look good, or less bad.
Those would be 3 reasons I can think of.
3. this is a bit vague, but doesn't every celebrity do this? What changed in the last 24 hours?
nothing, but i was commenting on your bolded comment above.If there's something that happened in the last day or 2 that suddenly made him more believable, I guess I'm just not seeing it.1. if what actually happened is that simple, and the number of BS reports and theories are that many, which would demand more attention. he was answering their questions, not asking them.2. not to meBecause he spent more effort denying rumors than saying exactly what happened.Because the story about taking a bunch of supplements (along with the painkillers) seems completely phony as a cause of this.Why?This is far from over.
For a brief moment I bought the TO spin. Now, not so much.
Because he has a history of bending stories to make himself look good, or less bad.
Those would be 3 reasons I can think of.
3. this is a bit vague, but doesn't every celebrity do this? What changed in the last 24 hours?
My guess, and it's only a guess, is that he was down about his son and/or his fiance, down about his hand which hurt, took a bunch of pain pills to get away from it for awhile (the pain and being down), and got a good bit more messed up than he thought he would.
I think this is very, very likely the case. Anybody else out there straddled that line between medicinal and recreational when they had a prescription? I know, its a rare and despicable thing. I will raise my hand and sadly admit that when i got my wisdom teeth pulled, i finished my bottle of painkillers (not in one sitting!) even though i didnt need them all. Did it occur to any of the conspiracy theorists that not admitting to that could be the rationale for TO not going into detail about exactly how many pills ended up where and when? And the whole suppliments fiasco as well? Again, what is more likely: Owens doesnt feel like admitting that he popped a few extra pills (could violate the leagues substance policy even though they are his script?) OR that he downed the whole bottle but since he is a cyborg there were no signs of it 12 hours later?linkUpdate on T.O.
Matt reports from Valley Ranch that there are eight TV cameras and two still photographers on hand ... and the fact that T.O. caught every pass (while showing no discomfort) during the time reporters can watch practice.
More to come.
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T.O. is practicing
This just in from Matt at Valley Ranch ... Terrell Owens is practicing.
More to come.
OK, thanks, I understand now. That was someone else's comment. I never did lapse into believing Owens yesterday, was just trying to list a few reasons I don't tend to believe him. I could've been more clear.nothing, but i was commenting on your bolded comment above.
I don't know what he was thinking but I know it's his business to take care of. And while he has 25 million reasons not to it only takes 1 reason to do it. I will say this, he sure didn't look like someone who had taken 25 Vics. I doubt he would be able to do what he was doing yesterday and look that good.From my perspective, I can understand the alergic reaction theory. I recently went to the hospital for a reaction (they thought I was having a heart attack) due to new meds I was put on. I was incoherent for a few hours and seemed as though I couldn't comprehend much for a while. As soon as it cleared (a few hours) I was like new again. So that stands to reason moreso than an overdose does.At this point, I don't think TO really would try to kill himself, heck..he's got 25 million reasons not to! It looks like he had a bad day, tried to medicate himself to forget about it, took too much medicine, then this cluster **** happened. It appears that after several hours of "how can we make this go away?", TO, his publicist, the Cowboy organization, uber agent Drew, et al came up with a drug interaction. As a pharmacist (not the idiot with the previous comment), I find it odd that TO didn't enlighten us about the supplements causing this reaction. It would be nice to warn other athletes not to make the same mistake. My guess, is that he took a few too many to kill the pain, escape from reality, whatever, and his publicist had to make the call. Being from the Philadelphia area, this is looking like typical TO. He has got to be in the limelight, one way or another....It just looks like he took it to another level this time. Dallas, get used to this, it will only go downhill from here. Did he try to kill himself?...I don't think so. Is he an extremely unbalanced person who needs to have his ego stroked and who is a trainwreck waiting to happen, absolutely!
Thanks for boosting that from Simmons' chat yesterday.Chad Johnson's next TD Celebration:Take some pills then fall down on the ground passed out.
TO returns to practice....culdeus said:Thanks for boosting that from Simmons' chat yesterday.toxicbees said:Chad Johnson's next TD Celebration:
Take some pills then fall down on the ground passed out.
No.Doesn't anyone else find it interesting that his missing pain pills were just "in a drawer" somewhere?
I dont have any idea how much she is in his bedroom. Why do you think you do?His publicist is around him enough to probably know that he sometimes puts his pills loose in a drawer sometimes, wouldn't she?
Maybe, people do weird things all the time. My GF mixes her migraine medication in her advil bottle, which i've nearly discovered the hard way more than once. Its not your medicine cabinet, how do you know whats going on? Or care.Would someone who is taking so many different kinds of pills that it would take too long to list them...some 6 per day, some 2 per day, etc....would that person just take some of the pills out of the bottle and dump them into a drawer?
No.Doesn't anyone find it curious that TO glossed over all his actions after taking the pills by saying he doesn't remember, yet about the third thing he said in his presser was "the reports that my stomach was pumped are wrong".
Because having your stomach pumped is a very memorable experience. For one thing his throat would be sore as hell if he had it done. For another the hospital would tell him at some point, one would think.How would he be so clear about that and not clear about anything else?
Yes, but your judgement is clearlry not sound on this issue.Making that statement so strongly so early about his stomach not being pumped leads me to believe that it was a "talking point" which was generated by his advisers as they met to figure out how to make this whole thing go away
All it would take is one phone call from a nurse, fellow patient, or anyone in the ER reporting TO with a tube down his throat and that lie gets blown up.Thus the cover story about no stomach pumping.
But every grownup on the planet who doesnt happen to have this ridiculous media microscope over their head have what anybody else would call that - a bad day. Its not like a meteor wiped out his home town. Whats next? His cat was sick so obviously he was depressed and hence suicidal? Didnt get to see his kid? Only happens to millions of people everyday that dont jump off bridges- and few of them are famous millionaires.A depressed person with a history of mental illness/instability is a prime candidate to do something stupid like this.
You sure proved that much.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
So it is your belief that he downed 35 vicadin and walked out of the hospital hours later, played football and gave an interview less than a day later? Great! Thanks for sharing.Mine is that he tried to kill himself and is now once again spouting mountains of lies to spin the media.
Exactly... people are acting like the initial "possible suicide attempt" conclusion was the result of some sort of formal police investigation. It was a reasonable assumption by the first responders that wound up being wrong. Where's the big mystery?the hairy scotsman said:This is key. We are in the business of getting in the door, finding out basically what's wrong, stabilizing the patient, and getting them to the hospital asap if need be. We are not in the business of finding out everything that happened to the patient that day or what their motivations are. If they are trying to hurt themselves, or if there's been an attempted suicide, we will attempt to ascertain that info, but it's a quick, concise interview process with a patient who's often unreliable due to their condition, and possible witnesses who may or may not know what they are talking about and who also may or may not be reliable.
That certainly helps her story... or at least, it doesn't torpedo it like it could have.The source told WFAA-TV that on the 911 recording, about one minute long, Etheredge called for an ambulance and asked dispatchers what to do. She did not mention the word "suicide" during the call, the source said.
It does if vomiting was induced, as it reportedly was. If the pills don't get into your system, and by all accounts he received very fast treatment from someone who was in the same room with him and reportedly tried to pry pills out of his mouth and then called 911 immediately, then you will feel no ill effects the next day.Despite the moronic rantings of people like mbuener (who might as well have been in TO's adviser meeting yesterday morning), the idea that someone who has taken tremendous amounts of many different types of pills for years would just dump some out of the labeled bottle into a drawer is farfetched at best.I actually believe TO has lost some of his craving to be in the spotlight.
The problem now though, is the media feels they have to put him in the spotlight everytime he farts. If you listen to the questions that they ask him and Parcells, they are very leading questions. They're trying to make a story out of anything. QB controversies, coach controversies, etc. TO has done a great job so far of fending off those questions.
TO hurt his hand, took some pills, had a bad reaction, and the story blew up. No way he tried to kill himself if he was back out on the field yesterday and today. That doesn't happen when you take 35 pain pills.
Is it moronic to ask for a link for this? Considering i've never heard it before? Reported by whom?It does if vomiting was induced, as it reportedly was
I defy anyone that watched this gum chewing nitwit giving a press conference to agree she seemed professional in any sense of the term, much less capable of choosing her words carefully. Talk about spinning! Now its the Brialliance of Ethridges PR skills you are hiding behind? Please.Anybody who has watched a news show in the last 10 years would know that their 911 call would be probably released to the public eventually, especially someone who is a professional publicist. There is no doubt she was choosing her words carefully, evidenced by the fact that she didn't give his name.
Probably because they went to help a selfish ##### who just wanted some attention and now they are basically being called liars because he's too embarrassed to admit that he made a complete fool of himself.what do the police want an apology for?
Hey, a woman of her statue obviously chooses her words carefully.I defy anyone that watched this gum chewing nitwit giving a press conference to agree she seemed professional in any sense of the term, much less capable of choosing her words carefully. Talk about spinning! Now its the Brialliance of Ethridges PR skills you are hiding behind? Please.
Probably because they went to help a selfish ##### who just wanted some attention and now they are basically being called liars because he's too embarrassed to admit that he made a complete fool of himself.what do the police want an apology for?

no, reallynon-idiotic answers encouragedProbably because they went to help a selfish ##### who just wanted some attention and now they are basically being called liars because he's too embarrassed to admit that he made a complete fool of himself.what do the police want an apology for?![]()
The Dallas Police Association is demanding an apology for Etheridge's comments disputing the police report. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=2606150Is it moronic to ask for a link for this? Considering i've never heard it before? Reported by whom?It does if vomiting was induced, as it reportedly wasI defy anyone that watched this gum chewing nitwit giving a press conference to agree she seemed professional in any sense of the term, much less capable of choosing her words carefully. Talk about spinning! Now its the Brialliance of Ethridges PR skills you are hiding behind? Please.Anybody who has watched a news show in the last 10 years would know that their 911 call would be probably released to the public eventually, especially someone who is a professional publicist. There is no doubt she was choosing her words carefully, evidenced by the fact that she didn't give his name.
He said the bottle was empty because the rest were in the drawer...Not that he dumped them in his drawer. Did you ever see one of these?Someone who has taken tremendous amounts of many different types of pills for years would use one.It does if vomiting was induced, as it reportedly was. If the pills don't get into your system, and by all accounts he received very fast treatment from someone who was in the same room with him and reportedly tried to pry pills out of his mouth and then called 911 immediately, then you will feel no ill effects the next day.Despite the moronic rantings of people like mbuener (who might as well have been in TO's adviser meeting yesterday morning), the idea that someone who has taken tremendous amounts of many different types of pills for years would just dump some out of the labeled bottle into a drawer is farfetched at best.I actually believe TO has lost some of his craving to be in the spotlight.
The problem now though, is the media feels they have to put him in the spotlight everytime he farts. If you listen to the questions that they ask him and Parcells, they are very leading questions. They're trying to make a story out of anything. QB controversies, coach controversies, etc. TO has done a great job so far of fending off those questions.
TO hurt his hand, took some pills, had a bad reaction, and the story blew up. No way he tried to kill himself if he was back out on the field yesterday and today. That doesn't happen when you take 35 pain pills.
Anybody who has watched a news show in the last 10 years would know that their 911 call would be probably released to the public eventually, especially someone who is a professional publicist. There is no doubt she was choosing her words carefully, evidenced by the fact that she didn't give his name.
We'll never know EXACTLY what happened, at least until TO goes on Barbara Walters and cries. Circumstantial evidence in this situation makes it look like a depressed person impulsively did something very stupid and needs to get help. He won't get help from this particular posse he has assembled, however. I will look forward to watching the train speed on down the tracks.![]()
thanks for that link1. so their asking for an apology from Etheridge, not TOThe Dallas Police Association is demanding an apology for Etheridge's comments disputing the police report. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=2606150Is it moronic to ask for a link for this? Considering i've never heard it before? Reported by whom?It does if vomiting was induced, as it reportedly wasI defy anyone that watched this gum chewing nitwit giving a press conference to agree she seemed professional in any sense of the term, much less capable of choosing her words carefully. Talk about spinning! Now its the Brialliance of Ethridges PR skills you are hiding behind? Please.Anybody who has watched a news show in the last 10 years would know that their 911 call would be probably released to the public eventually, especially someone who is a professional publicist. There is no doubt she was choosing her words carefully, evidenced by the fact that she didn't give his name.
"These officers, contrary to what Mr. T.O. Owens and his
publicist Miss Etheredge alluded to or insinuated or whatever,
those officers out there did the job they were supposed to do and
did a good job of it," said Senior Cpl. Glenn White, who leads the
largest police employee group in the Dallas department with more
than 3,500 active and retired members. "We police officers don't
go out to these calls and make stuff up."
Owens' publicist who made the 911 call, Kim Etheredge, said
Wednesday that entries in the police report were inaccurate. She
said she did not say he was depressed and "did not take anything
out of his mouth," as the report said.
So you think the police are asking for an apology because she called their first report inaccurate? Seriously?3. calling a report inaccurate is NOT the same as calling the originator of the report a liar, i'm not sure why that is so hard to realize. mistakes and misunderstandings happen.
Wasn't idiotic at all, it was spot on...no, reallynon-idiotic answers encouragedProbably because they went to help a selfish ##### who just wanted some attention and now they are basically being called liars because he's too embarrassed to admit that he made a complete fool of himself.what do the police want an apology for?![]()
link to TO calling the police liars?Wasn't idiotic at all, it was spot on...no, reallynon-idiotic answers encouragedProbably because they went to help a selfish ##### who just wanted some attention and now they are basically being called liars because he's too embarrassed to admit that he made a complete fool of himself.what do the police want an apology for?![]()
i have no idea why they're calling for an apology, that's why i asked the question. but an answer that's based on the fact that TO put his life in jeopardy in order to get the police to his house and draw attention to himself isn't really going to be taken seriouslySo you think the police are asking for an apology because she called their first report inaccurate? Seriously?3. calling a report inaccurate is NOT the same as calling the originator of the report a liar, i'm not sure why that is so hard to realize. mistakes and misunderstandings happen.
They didn't show up to "help" TO. They showed up because the state of Texas(along with most ,if not all,others) thinks they have a right to charge those who attempt suicide with a crime (basically the state claiming ownership of all who reside under their domain). Other than investigate a possible "crime", they didn't do a damn thing. EMT's were there to help. Cops weren't.Probably because they went to help a selfish ##### who just wanted some attention and now they are basically being called liars because he's too embarrassed to admit that he made a complete fool of himself.what do the police want an apology for?
If you re-read the part that you bolded, I said they were "basically" being called liars. And that would be because he doesn't want to admit to what he did. She is speaking on his behalf, pretty much from whatever angle he tells her to take.link to TO calling the police liars?Wasn't idiotic at all, it was spot on...no, reallynon-idiotic answers encouragedProbably because they went to help a selfish ##### who just wanted some attention and now they are basically being called liars because he's too embarrassed to admit that he made a complete fool of himself.what do the police want an apology for?![]()
So is it your opinion that the police are asking for an apology for no particular reason here? Is that your stance?i have no idea why they're calling for an apology, that's why i asked the question.
You are right. TO would never go to extreme measures to draw attention to himself.but an answer that's based on the fact that TO put his life in jeopardy in order to get the police to his house and draw attention to himself isn't really going to be taken seriously
