Breastfeeding (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Holy #### MOP

Didn't take my meds today. Had a lot of thread topics but typically when I am in this state..."less is more" so maybe I better not. I just turned breast feeding into the country is going down the tubes.

 

[Uwe Blab]

By the way if you ever want to make your wife insanely angry do what I did. She had a whole freezer tray of breast milk (about 3 months worth) stored up that she could use to give someone when she had to miss a feeding/go out/whatever. I took it out to get something and forgot to put it back in the freezer. 4 hours later we found it completely thawed out sitting on the counter. "Whoops"

She had murder in her eyes that day....

 

[Otis]

If I was you, responding this statement, I would say something along the lines of "well, these women shouldn't be having children in the first place"

You're wrong to make this choice for other people. You and your wife are doing what's right for your family in accord to your own values, but you can't hold other people's decisions about this matter against them.

Sure I can

Yeah, but it makes you sound like an idiot. If you're okay with that, carry on.

You HAVE seen the list of baby names he came up with, right?

Pretty solid posting here.

 

[koby925]

To each his own. As with everything with raising children, you don't have to agree with what the parents choose, but you should respect it and shut your trap. That goes for grandparents, siblings, friends and caregivers. Hospitals/nurses/doctors that push either a pro or anti breastfeeding agenda against the wishes of the parents are the biggest dooshes of all.

 

[Otis]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Interesting opinion, man. Why on earth should you care what anybody else does with their kid when it doesn't affect you?

I know you're new with this- congrats again on Jr- but don't be that guy.

Sounds like it's too late.

 

[General Malaise]

my kids were bottle fed. I felt pretty good about it and them. Until today. Moops makes me feel like a bad dad.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

The trick is to toughen up the nipples well before the baby shows up.

 

[Joseph]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Be sure to pass judgment asap!My wife didn't breast feed. She just never liked the thought of it, and I saw lots of moms go through it and hate it -- it was uncomfortable (sometimes painful), they couldn't monitor what the baby was getting, and sometimes had a very difficult time latching on. The couple that shared a hospital room with us when our daughter was born tried breast feeding. There was TONS of fighting, crying, and everything else from the other side of the curtain.We decided not to. My wife wasn't breast feed. I wasn't either. We both turned out pretty well, we think. I'm not sure how much of the studies etc. I buy into, but I'm happy to side with modern science and engineered formulas. Our daughter has been doing great. She's beautiful, putting on weight and growing fast, is HAPPY, sleeping well, and is a joy. As for this geeky bonding nonsense, my wife and daughter love each other immensely and have bonded plenty.The dooshbag new-age types who give you the stink eye when you say you aren't breast feeding? We learned very quickly not the mind them. Some people gave us grief about it at the hospital -- including the "breast feeding consultant" lady -- but our doctor said it is a personal choice and not to mind what others think.It's funny, but the same high anxiety, over anxious, uber A-type parents who freak out about every little thing, take a million classes and courses, and worry about organic this, organic that, are the same ones who end up having babies who end up totally freaking odd. We're cool just having a normal kid and not sweating any of the small stuff.As an aside, I could make a comment about parents who spend months reading books and debating and agonizing over choosing a name. We picked ours nearly on a whim. We came across one that we liked, thought sounded nice, and felt right. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter -- they will make their own identity, and won't be governed by the name. The Beatles didn't become a success because they had an awesome superstar name. They made the name what it is. But as with the name stuff, parents these days will freak out about every little study and every little thing and try their damnedest to dissect parenthood into a science it was never meant to be.End rant.

I'm glad its working out for you, and I know a lot of people who think that way. For me, I tend to read up on a lot of things to do with raising a kid because I know I handle situations better when I have more of an idea what I'm dealing with. At the end of the day I don't always do what those parenting type books recommend, but having read about it makes me more comfortable when I have to deal with stuff.I kinda resent the idea that the way I choose to handle parenting means my kid is going to be a weirdo, but there's no one "right" way to raise a kid and I'm glad the way you're going about it seems to be working for you.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

My first entry into this thread was just a haha type but I do want to focus on this because it branches off into so many other parts of life and society. We just came from an era of time where most people knew that if it was painful or it hurt or it was hard, typically you knew that was probably the right ting to do. It's the old saying that anything worth doing is worth doing right. I know we are just talking about baby milk here but this mindset of people who at the very first sign that something might be difficult or tedious or uncomfortable we have as a society told pople that it is all OK. Meaning it's OK to not engage in what is best for yourself and perhaps those dependent on you because it might be difficult. Unfortunately we have a lot of people in his country that didn't read their history books very well and have no concept of time or place Without going into a really long post I will simply say we hae grown very soft as a nation and I fully expect the system in place to continue to crumble from the inside out. We simply cannot leave things alone that work perfectly fine to begin with. We perverse ourselves and allow ourselves the freedom to be absolutely awful. Unfortunately the down side to freedom is that a lot of people and I do mean a lot of people simply cannot handle it.

thank you timschoclates

 

[Otis]

My wife and I always feel bad for the parents that have to do all this pumping and planning and struggling worrying about feeding their babies. We have a supply of formula in the house, spares in the trunk, bottles everywhere, and we go where we want, when we want. Our days don't have to be mapped out in advance.

By the same token, unlike these geeky new age parenting nerds, we didn't keep her sequestered from the world for three months. A week after she was born we walked her over to our favorite brunch spot in Brooklyn. We take her all over the place. She's well adjusted to people and noise and we think living life will make her a happier and more social baby.

Oh and my wife doesn't have to awkwardly whip her boobs out at family parties.

 

[Otis]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Be sure to pass judgment asap!My wife didn't breast feed. She just never liked the thought of it, and I saw lots of moms go through it and hate it -- it was uncomfortable (sometimes painful), they couldn't monitor what the baby was getting, and sometimes had a very difficult time latching on. The couple that shared a hospital room with us when our daughter was born tried breast feeding. There was TONS of fighting, crying, and everything else from the other side of the curtain.We decided not to. My wife wasn't breast feed. I wasn't either. We both turned out pretty well, we think. I'm not sure how much of the studies etc. I buy into, but I'm happy to side with modern science and engineered formulas. Our daughter has been doing great. She's beautiful, putting on weight and growing fast, is HAPPY, sleeping well, and is a joy. As for this geeky bonding nonsense, my wife and daughter love each other immensely and have bonded plenty.The dooshbag new-age types who give you the stink eye when you say you aren't breast feeding? We learned very quickly not the mind them. Some people gave us grief about it at the hospital -- including the "breast feeding consultant" lady -- but our doctor said it is a personal choice and not to mind what others think.It's funny, but the same high anxiety, over anxious, uber A-type parents who freak out about every little thing, take a million classes and courses, and worry about organic this, organic that, are the same ones who end up having babies who end up totally freaking odd. We're cool just having a normal kid and not sweating any of the small stuff.As an aside, I could make a comment about parents who spend months reading books and debating and agonizing over choosing a name. We picked ours nearly on a whim. We came across one that we liked, thought sounded nice, and felt right. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter -- they will make their own identity, and won't be governed by the name. The Beatles didn't become a success because they had an awesome superstar name. They made the name what it is. But as with the name stuff, parents these days will freak out about every little study and every little thing and try their damnedest to dissect parenthood into a science it was never meant to be.End rant.

I'm glad its working out for you, and I know a lot of people who think that way. For me, I tend to read up on a lot of things to do with raising a kid because I know I handle situations better when I have more of an idea what I'm dealing with. At the end of the day I don't always do what those parenting type books recommend, but having read about it makes me more comfortable when I have to deal with stuff.I kinda resent the idea that the way I choose to handle parenting means my kid is going to be a weirdo, but there's no one "right" way to raise a kid and I'm glad the way you're going about it seems to be working for you.

I'm fine with that, my posting is more a response to moops than meant to address your situation. Frankly I think a lot of neurotic uber A-type parents pass some unpleasant traits to their kids by surrounding them in a high stress/high anxiety environment all the time. Everyone just needs to chill the #### out.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Be sure to pass judgment asap!My wife didn't breast feed. She just never liked the thought of it, and I saw lots of moms go through it and hate it -- it was uncomfortable (sometimes painful), they couldn't monitor what the baby was getting, and sometimes had a very difficult time latching on. The couple that shared a hospital room with us when our daughter was born tried breast feeding. There was TONS of fighting, crying, and everything else from the other side of the curtain.

That is some self righteus BS right there.

We decided not to. My wife wasn't breast feed. I wasn't either(Explains why you love skeletons). We both turned out pretty well(matter of opinion), we think. I'm not sure how much of the studies etc. I buy into(code for I know nothing about the science or reasoning why), but I'm happy to side with modern science and engineered formulas.

Our daughter has been doing great. She's beautiful, putting on weight and growing fast, is HAPPY, sleeping well, and is a joy. As for this geeky bonding nonsense, my wife and daughter love each other immensely and have bonded plenty.

Honestly, I can't keep ripping up this post. You're a good dad, we get it, you don't want to feel bad about shaving 20 points off yur kids IQ, I get it.

The dooshbag new-age types who give you the stink eye when you say you aren't breast feeding? We learned very quickly not the mind them(You play by yor own rules). Some people gave us grief about it at the hospital -- including the "breast feeding consultant" lady -- but our doctor said it is a personal choice and not to mind what others think

(You really should hire a lifecoach or become one).

It's funny, but the same high anxiety, over anxious, uber A-type parents who freak out about every little thing, take a million classes and courses, and worry about organic this, organic that, are the same ones who end up having babies who end up totally freaking odd. We're cool just having a normal kid and not sweating any of the small stuff.

I wanted to give you credit here but again you seem to feel its OK to be part of the herd.

As an aside, I could make a comment about parents who spend months reading books and debating and agonizing over choosing a name. We picked ours nearly on a whim(How long was the courtship?). We came across one that we liked, thought sounded nice, and felt right.(What flight did you all met on?) At the end of the day, it doesn't matter -- they will make their own identity(based on what you do to them), and won't be governed by the name. The Beatles didn't become a success because they had an awesome superstar name. They made the name what it is. Did you just compare your daughter/son to te Beatles?

But as with the name stuff, parents these days will freak out about every little study and every little thing and try their damnedest to dissect parenthood into a science it was never meant to be.

End rant.

Be a good sport...I'm the worst dad of them all but your post was funny.

 

[Otis]

WAIT, YOU MEAN YOU GUYS DIDN'T TAKE A CLASS IN/BECOME CERTIFIED IN/RAISE YOUR KIDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCHERBER-FLOTZING METHOD???

HOLY CRAP. Your kids are all going to prizzon!1

 

[Raiderfan32904]

We just came from an era of time where most people knew that if it was painful or it hurt or it was hard, typically you knew that was probably the right ting to do. It's the old saying that anything worth doing is worth doing right. I know we are just talking about baby milk here but this mindset of people who at the very first sign that something might be difficult or tedious or uncomfortable we have as a society told pople that it is all OK. Meaning it's OK to not engage in what is best for yourself and perhaps those dependent on you because it might be difficult. Unfortunately we have a lot of people in his country that didn't read their history books very well and have no concept of time or place Without going into a really long post I will simply say we hae grown very soft as a nation and I fully expect the system in place to continue to crumble from the inside out. We simply cannot leave things alone that work perfectly fine to begin with. We perverse ourselves and allow ourselves the freedom to be absolutely awful. Unfortunately the down side to freedom is that a lot of people and I do mean a lot of people simply cannot handle it.

Wonderful post!

 

[General Malaise]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Be sure to pass judgment asap!My wife didn't breast feed. She just never liked the thought of it, and I saw lots of moms go through it and hate it -- it was uncomfortable (sometimes painful), they couldn't monitor what the baby was getting, and sometimes had a very difficult time latching on. The couple that shared a hospital room with us when our daughter was born tried breast feeding. There was TONS of fighting, crying, and everything else from the other side of the curtain.

We decided not to. My wife wasn't breast feed. I wasn't either. We both turned out pretty well, we think. I'm not sure how much of the studies etc. I buy into, but I'm happy to side with modern science and engineered formulas.

Our daughter has been doing great. She's beautiful, putting on weight and growing fast, is HAPPY, sleeping well, and is a joy. As for this geeky bonding nonsense, my wife and daughter love each other immensely and have bonded plenty.

The dooshbag new-age types who give you the stink eye when you say you aren't breast feeding? We learned very quickly not the mind them. Some people gave us grief about it at the hospital -- including the "breast feeding consultant" lady -- but our doctor said it is a personal choice and not to mind what others think.

It's funny, but the same high anxiety, over anxious, uber A-type parents who freak out about every little thing, take a million classes and courses, and worry about organic this, organic that, are the same ones who end up having babies who end up totally freaking odd. We're cool just having a normal kid and not sweating any of the small stuff.

As an aside, I could make a comment about parents who spend months reading books and debating and agonizing over choosing a name. We picked ours nearly on a whim. We came across one that we liked, thought sounded nice, and felt right. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter -- they will make their own identity, and won't be governed by the name. The Beatles didn't become a success because they had an awesome superstar name. They made the name what it is.

But as with the name stuff, parents these days will freak out about every little study and every little thing and try their damnedest to dissect parenthood into a science it was never meant to be.

End rant.

I didn't know you had a kid, Otis. Congrats! Boy/girl? Name? I get grief over my kids' names and I don't give a tinker's damn over it at all.

Quality rant here. Especially the bolded part.

 

[Otis]

Wait, is MOP really lecturing me on parenting?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

My first entry into this thread was just a haha type but I do want to focus on this because it branches off into so many other parts of life and society. We just came from an era of time where most people knew that if it was painful or it hurt or it was hard, typically you knew that was probably the right ting to do. It's the old saying that anything worth doing is worth doing right. I know we are just talking about baby milk here but this mindset of people who at the very first sign that something might be difficult or tedious or uncomfortable we have as a society told pople that it is all OK. Meaning it's OK to not engage in what is best for yourself and perhaps those dependent on you because it might be difficult. Unfortunately we have a lot of people in his country that didn't read their history books very well and have no concept of time or place Without going into a really long post I will simply say we hae grown very soft as a nation and I fully expect the system in place to continue to crumble from the inside out. We simply cannot leave things alone that work perfectly fine to begin with. We perverse ourselves and allow ourselves the freedom to be absolutely awful. Unfortunately the down side to freedom is that a lot of people and I do mean a lot of people simply cannot handle it.

thank you timschoclates

I'll take that as a badge of honor anyday. How he ever was tossed in the same setence as Huckie is beyond my scope of reasoning.

 

[koby925]

By the same token, unlike these geeky new age parenting nerds, we didn't keep her sequestered from the world for three months. A week after she was born we walked her over to our favorite brunch spot in Brooklyn. We take her all over the place. She's well adjusted to people and noise and we think living life will make her a happier and more social baby.

New age parents also act like they are embarking on some extraodinary mission and praise or even martyr themselves for what they have to go through. we're not re-inventing the wheel here, folks. Re taking little ones all over - something not everyone knows is you don't have to buy plane tickets for kids under 2. Our little girl is 15 months and has been on 3 cross coastal plane trips already. Our lives didn't stop because we had a kid.

 

[Arizona Ron]

My wife never followed crazy parenting stuff until my daughter was ready for table food. She was slowly "introducing her" to each food until one day I took my daughter to a chinese buffet while my wife was shopping with her sisters. She ate everything in sight.

Later that day, my wife asked "what did she have for lunch, I need to write it down to track potential allergies".

She flipped out when I told her a little bit of everything at the buffet, no allergies at all to date

 

[Black Box]

My wife and I always feel bad for the parents that have to do all this pumping and planning and struggling worrying about feeding their babies. We have a supply of formula in the house, spares in the trunk, bottles everywhere, and we go where we want, when we want. Our days don't have to be mapped out in advance. By the same token, unlike these geeky new age parenting nerds, we didn't keep her sequestered from the world for three months. A week after she was born we walked her over to our favorite brunch spot in Brooklyn. We take her all over the place. She's well adjusted to people and noise and we think living life will make her a happier and more social baby. Oh and my wife doesn't have to awkwardly whip her boobs out at family parties.

You have to plan to nurse a baby while out? The milk's all right there, in a nice portable delivery system

 

[Joseph]

Also, whenever I talk to people about what I did with our kids to help them sleep at night, or potty train them, or feeding issues, or anything else that comes up, I don't do it to sound like a know it all or to disagree with the way anyone else is doing things, but to simply point out what worked for me. For some reason people who do things differently (this mostly happens in person with RL friends) seem to take it as a slam on their parenting abilities when I'm just offering a different way of trying things that worked for me. If you don't want to try that, fine, but don't get pissed at me for offering you a suggestion.

Sort of off topic, but the thread seems to be leaning that way.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We just came from an era of time where most people knew that if it was painful or it hurt or it was hard, typically you knew that was probably the right ting to do. It's the old saying that anything worth doing is worth doing right. I know we are just talking about baby milk here but this mindset of people who at the very first sign that something might be difficult or tedious or uncomfortable we have as a society told pople that it is all OK. Meaning it's OK to not engage in what is best for yourself and perhaps those dependent on you because it might be difficult. Unfortunately we have a lot of people in his country that didn't read their history books very well and have no concept of time or place Without going into a really long post I will simply say we hae grown very soft as a nation and I fully expect the system in place to continue to crumble from the inside out. We simply cannot leave things alone that work perfectly fine to begin with. We perverse ourselves and allow ourselves the freedom to be absolutely awful. Unfortunately the down side to freedom is that a lot of people and I do mean a lot of people simply cannot handle it.

Wonderful post!

It's good to see that breasts can bring men together.

 

[Otis]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Be sure to pass judgment asap!My wife didn't breast feed. She just never liked the thought of it, and I saw lots of moms go through it and hate it -- it was uncomfortable (sometimes painful), they couldn't monitor what the baby was getting, and sometimes had a very difficult time latching on. The couple that shared a hospital room with us when our daughter was born tried breast feeding. There was TONS of fighting, crying, and everything else from the other side of the curtain.

We decided not to. My wife wasn't breast feed. I wasn't either. We both turned out pretty well, we think. I'm not sure how much of the studies etc. I buy into, but I'm happy to side with modern science and engineered formulas.

Our daughter has been doing great. She's beautiful, putting on weight and growing fast, is HAPPY, sleeping well, and is a joy. As for this geeky bonding nonsense, my wife and daughter love each other immensely and have bonded plenty.

The dooshbag new-age types who give you the stink eye when you say you aren't breast feeding? We learned very quickly not the mind them. Some people gave us grief about it at the hospital -- including the "breast feeding consultant" lady -- but our doctor said it is a personal choice and not to mind what others think.

It's funny, but the same high anxiety, over anxious, uber A-type parents who freak out about every little thing, take a million classes and courses, and worry about organic this, organic that, are the same ones who end up having babies who end up totally freaking odd. We're cool just having a normal kid and not sweating any of the small stuff.

As an aside, I could make a comment about parents who spend months reading books and debating and agonizing over choosing a name. We picked ours nearly on a whim. We came across one that we liked, thought sounded nice, and felt right. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter -- they will make their own identity, and won't be governed by the name. The Beatles didn't become a success because they had an awesome superstar name. They made the name what it is.

But as with the name stuff, parents these days will freak out about every little study and every little thing and try their damnedest to dissect parenthood into a science it was never meant to be.

End rant.

I didn't know you had a kid, Otis. Congrats! Boy/girl? Name? I get grief over my kids' names and I don't give a tinker's damn over it at all.

Quality rant here. Especially the bolded part.

Thanks GB Joined the ranks of dads just over two months ago, and already can't imagine life without her. Baby Madeleine. There's no super top secret meaning behind it; it wasn't reverse engineering for highest SAT score results based on available data; nor was there any official method/system/technique involved. We just thought it was pretty.

She's totally awesome. I'm already trying to slip another past the goalie; my wife is guarding cautiously.

 

[the moops]

Seems I hit a sore spot big O. Sorry bout that.

We are hardly type A parents. Whatever that means. Our kid is three days old and we, like you, have already taken him to our favorite spot in Minneapolis for lunch. And no, the wife didnt have to whip out her boob in public (not that there should be any issue with that though).

To us, breast feeding is part of parenting. There is a reason mothers produce milk after birth. Unlike you, I would rather side with nature than engineered formulas.

 

[the moops]

Wait, are you guys saying breast feeding is reserved for new age type parents? That sure is some backward ### reasoning there

 

[Otis]

My wife and I always feel bad for the parents that have to do all this pumping and planning and struggling worrying about feeding their babies. We have a supply of formula in the house, spares in the trunk, bottles everywhere, and we go where we want, when we want. Our days don't have to be mapped out in advance. By the same token, unlike these geeky new age parenting nerds, we didn't keep her sequestered from the world for three months. A week after she was born we walked her over to our favorite brunch spot in Brooklyn. We take her all over the place. She's well adjusted to people and noise and we think living life will make her a happier and more social baby. Oh and my wife doesn't have to awkwardly whip her boobs out at family parties.

You have to plan to nurse a baby while out? The milk's all right there, in a nice portable delivery system

Hey honey I have an idea -- let's drop the baby at my mom's and head over to the ____ to do ____.Oh wait. If we wanted to do that, we would have had to plan this three days ago with our pumping implementations. Foiled again!

 

[Arizona Ron]

Seems I hit a sore spot big O. Sorry bout that.We are hardly type A parents. Whatever that means. Our kid is three days old and we, like you, have already taken him to our favorite spot in Minneapolis for lunch. And no, the wife didnt have to whip out her boob in public (not that there should be any issue with that though).To us, breast feeding is part of parenting. There is a reason mothers produce milk after birth. Unlike you, I would rather side with nature than engineered formulas.

You and Your wife are clearly better people than Otis and his wife.

 

[Otis]

Wait, are you guys saying breast feeding is reserved for new age type parents? That sure is some backward ### reasoning there

No, but obsessing about the details is.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wait, is MOP really lecturing me on parenting?

Go back and read it again, then tell us. I did leave a final sentence at the bottom, shoud give you some clue.

 

[the moops]

I'm already trying to slip another past the goalie; my wife is guarding cautiously.

She should guard cautiously. Getting pregnant two months after giving birth is a bad idea.

 

[Arizona Ron]

I'm already trying to slip another past the goalie; my wife is guarding cautiously.

She should guard cautiously. Getting pregnant two months after giving birth is a bad idea.

Is it worse than not breastfeeding?

 

[Joseph]

I'm already trying to slip another past the goalie; my wife is guarding cautiously.

She should guard cautiously. Getting pregnant two months after giving birth is a bad idea.

Is it worse than not breastfeeding?

No clue, but the thought of 2 kids under the age of 1 scares me more than a little.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Seems I hit a sore spot big O. Sorry bout that.We are hardly type A parents. Whatever that means. Our kid is three days old and we, like you, have already taken him to our favorite spot in Minneapolis for lunch. And no, the wife didnt have to whip out her boob in public (not that there should be any issue with that though).To us, breast feeding is part of parenting. There is a reason mothers produce milk after birth. Unlike you, I would rather side with nature than engineered formulas.

Congrats moops! Make sure to take at least 100 or so pics on the third day. I did and have some of the best baby photos from the third day. Don't know why that is. Just that 3rd day's the charm.

 

[Black Box]

My wife and I always feel bad for the parents that have to do all this pumping and planning and struggling worrying about feeding their babies. We have a supply of formula in the house, spares in the trunk, bottles everywhere, and we go where we want, when we want. Our days don't have to be mapped out in advance. By the same token, unlike these geeky new age parenting nerds, we didn't keep her sequestered from the world for three months. A week after she was born we walked her over to our favorite brunch spot in Brooklyn. We take her all over the place. She's well adjusted to people and noise and we think living life will make her a happier and more social baby. Oh and my wife doesn't have to awkwardly whip her boobs out at family parties.

You have to plan to nurse a baby while out? The milk's all right there, in a nice portable delivery system

Hey honey I have an idea -- let's drop the baby at my mom's and head over to the ____ to do ____.Oh wait. If we wanted to do that, we would have had to plan this three days ago with our pumping implementations. Foiled again!

Ah, you're talking about sans-baby. I was thinking going somewhere with the baby from your context (like taking her to your favorite lunch spot in Brooklyn). Don't really see a difference in that respect.

 

[General Malaise]

Wait, is MOP really lecturing me on parenting?

He also lectures on dieting, anger management, substance abuse and can be found doling out relationship advice, gives tips on religious indoctrination and recently has preached a need for America to become more centered politically.If Gary Larson, Archie Bunker and Mike Tice had a ******* baby, I am pretty sure the offspring would be MOP.

 

[Otis]

Seems I hit a sore spot big O. Sorry bout that.

I just think these people, and the views you express in here, are incredibly dooshy.

 

[Big_Russel]

I've had this discussion numerous times with my sis who is a clinician at the CDC. First of all, breastfeeding as opposed to formula has never actually been clinically proven to do anything, or lead to any better results. This is because conducting a true clinical trial on this subject would be inhumane, as you would have to take a group of mothers from similar socioeconomic backgrounds and tell half to breastfeed and half not to. You couldn't even test those who choose to breastfeed against those who choose not to because that decision is not completely isolated and therefore indicative of pre-existing differences between the two groups. Sooo there is actually no clinical proof at all that babies that are breast-fed turn out to have a higher percentage of any of the positive attributes you just listed SOLELY BECAUSE of BREASTFEEDING. Not to say that those stats aren't rooted in fact, just saying that the breastfeeding variable can not be isolated in trials as the cause for it.Now, there is a lot of medical evidence that the colostrum that mothers produce when the baby is an infant does play a vital role in helping the child boost their immune system and acquire many of the immunities of the mother. But I feel the majority of this debate tends to occur at least a week to two weeks after the infant is born, when the colostrum is no longer being produced in quantity. So unless you are talking about mothers that simply refuse to ever offer their breast to their child, rather than mothers who tire of the process after a couple of weeks in, I don't think the immunity argument is valid.As to the psychosocial effects you reference, there is no evidence anywhere (due to the above testing paradox) that says a breast-fed baby turns out more psychologically developed or emotionally-bonded than a non-breast fed baby. You may WANT to draw that conclusion from certain sets of data but you would just be inserting breast feeding as the key variable when it is much more often one variable in a large set of other variables, all of which could have conceivably played a role in the child's mental and emotional development.So I wouldn't just use some wiki page with stats as your source on this. Trust me, there have been warring believers on both sides of this debate for some time, and that precisely because the way of actually answering the question in a scientific way is too inhumane to attempt.It's a very emotional question for many so there is a lot of agenda behind it twisting what little facts actually exist into something that supports one side or the other.

Best post of the thread and it seems like nobody else even read it. lol

 

[Dragons]

We didn't have enough for me to help bottle feed most nights. My wife would pump 2 or 3 times while at work but we used most of that for daycare. My wife breast fed our daughter for a little over a year. Needless to say I got crap for not being able to help feed most nights. #2 is dues next month and my wife plans on doing the breastfeeding thing for at least a year. One thing to think about is if you can do it breastfeeding was a lot cheaper than having to go with formula.

Who gave you crap?

My wife for not getting up as often as she did to help feed, but whats a man going to do? I wasn't producing milk and I don't think she needed the extra hands.

I suppose it's part the post-pregnancy hormones, part sleep deprivation and part irritation that you're snoring away while she's awake, but wtf are you supposed to do? Hold her hand?

 

[the moops]

I'm already trying to slip another past the goalie; my wife is guarding cautiously.

She should guard cautiously. Getting pregnant two months after giving birth is a bad idea.

Is it worse than not breastfeeding?

Yes

 

[Otis]

I'm already trying to slip another past the goalie; my wife is guarding cautiously.

She should guard cautiously. Getting pregnant two months after giving birth is a bad idea.

Will you please stop being such a #######ed nerd about all this. You made a baby. Congratulations on doing what people all over the world have been doing for millenia.

 

[koby925]

Wait, are you guys saying breast feeding is reserved for new age type parents? That sure is some backward ### reasoning there

No I think it's the extremists either way. Such as: - If you don't read War and Peace or play Beethoven's 9th to the unborn baby, you are a bad parent and the kid will have no shot at getting into Harvard - If you don't bank chord blood you are a horrible parent who is cheap and won't protect your child - If you don't breastfeed, you lose the mother child bond, feed baby unnatural milk, etc. - If you do breastfeed your baby isn't getting enough milk, etc. - If your kid isn't sitting up by 6mos, crawling by 9mos, walking by 1 year they may be slow and/or autistic - We can't take Little Johnny out of the house until he's 3 months or ever take him to Texas Roadhouse because he may be subjected to peanut dust.

 

[Otis]

I've had this discussion numerous times with my sis who is a clinician at the CDC. First of all, breastfeeding as opposed to formula has never actually been clinically proven to do anything, or lead to any better results. This is because conducting a true clinical trial on this subject would be inhumane, as you would have to take a group of mothers from similar socioeconomic backgrounds and tell half to breastfeed and half not to. You couldn't even test those who choose to breastfeed against those who choose not to because that decision is not completely isolated and therefore indicative of pre-existing differences between the two groups. Sooo there is actually no clinical proof at all that babies that are breast-fed turn out to have a higher percentage of any of the positive attributes you just listed SOLELY BECAUSE of BREASTFEEDING. Not to say that those stats aren't rooted in fact, just saying that the breastfeeding variable can not be isolated in trials as the cause for it.Now, there is a lot of medical evidence that the colostrum that mothers produce when the baby is an infant does play a vital role in helping the child boost their immune system and acquire many of the immunities of the mother. But I feel the majority of this debate tends to occur at least a week to two weeks after the infant is born, when the colostrum is no longer being produced in quantity. So unless you are talking about mothers that simply refuse to ever offer their breast to their child, rather than mothers who tire of the process after a couple of weeks in, I don't think the immunity argument is valid.As to the psychosocial effects you reference, there is no evidence anywhere (due to the above testing paradox) that says a breast-fed baby turns out more psychologically developed or emotionally-bonded than a non-breast fed baby. You may WANT to draw that conclusion from certain sets of data but you would just be inserting breast feeding as the key variable when it is much more often one variable in a large set of other variables, all of which could have conceivably played a role in the child's mental and emotional development.So I wouldn't just use some wiki page with stats as your source on this. Trust me, there have been warring believers on both sides of this debate for some time, and that precisely because the way of actually answering the question in a scientific way is too inhumane to attempt.It's a very emotional question for many so there is a lot of agenda behind it twisting what little facts actually exist into something that supports one side or the other.

Best post of the thread and it seems like nobody else even read it. lol

Good bump -- I had missed it.

 

[Otis]

Whatever we do here gang, let's be sure and make parenting as tedious and overanalyzed a thing as we possibly can. We wouldn't want this to start seeming like fun or anything.

 

[trogg78]

By the way if you ever want to make your wife insanely angry do what I did. She had a whole freezer tray of breast milk (about 3 months worth) stored up that she could use to give someone when she had to miss a feeding/go out/whatever. I took it out to get something and forgot to put it back in the freezer. 4 hours later we found it completely thawed out sitting on the counter. "Whoops"She had murder in her eyes that day....

I made Mac n cheese with breast milk when we were out of cows milk. I tried to keep it to myself but was quickly busted when she remembered we were out of cows milk.

 

[iamsmilin]

Seems I hit a sore spot big O. Sorry bout that.

We are hardly type A parents. Whatever that means. Our kid is three days old and we, like you, have already taken him to our favorite spot in Minneapolis for lunch. And no, the wife didnt have to whip out her boob in public (not that there should be any issue with that though).

To us, breast feeding is part of parenting. There is a reason mothers produce milk after birth. Unlike you, I would rather side with nature than engineered formulas.

The thing is I don't think he is siding with one, he made a choice and your post is accusatory and makes him (in general)feel like they have to "justify" themselves.It's a choice based on a lot of factors. I don't think you get that it's insulting and hurtful to come in here and paint a broad brush that you "detest" how a person chooses to parent. It's great that at 3 days you have it all figured out.

I really hope that your wife doesn't have an issue keeping up her supply, because heaven forbid she has to go on formula and you are unsupportive.

For the record, I couldn't with the first and I could with the second.

 

[Otis]

Wait, is MOP really lecturing me on parenting?

He also lectures on dieting, anger management, substance abuse and can be found doling out relationship advice, gives tips on religious indoctrination and recently has preached a need for America to become more centered politically.If Gary Larson, Archie Bunker and Mike Tice had a ******* baby, I am pretty sure the offspring would be MOP.

 

[eoMMan]

Isn't formula crazy expensive? How much do new parents spend on it in a month?

 

[the moops]

I'm already trying to slip another past the goalie; my wife is guarding cautiously.

She should guard cautiously. Getting pregnant two months after giving birth is a bad idea.

Will you please stop being such a #######ed nerd about all this. You made a baby. Congratulations on doing what people all over the world have been doing for millenia.

Settle down O.There are some risks for baby and mother if a woman gets pregnant too soon after birth.

 

[Otis]

Seems I hit a sore spot big O. Sorry bout that.

We are hardly type A parents. Whatever that means. Our kid is three days old and we, like you, have already taken him to our favorite spot in Minneapolis for lunch. And no, the wife didnt have to whip out her boob in public (not that there should be any issue with that though).

To us, breast feeding is part of parenting. There is a reason mothers produce milk after birth. Unlike you, I would rather side with nature than engineered formulas.

The thing is I don't think he is siding with one, he made a choice and your post is accusatory and makes him (in general)feel like they have to "justify" themselves.It's a choice based on a lot of factors. I don't think you get that it's insulting and hurtful to come in here and paint a broad brush that you "detest" how a person chooses to parent. It's great that at 3 days you have it all figured out.

I really hope that your wife doesn't have an issue keeping up her supply, because heaven forbid she has to go on formula and you are unsupportive.

For the record, I couldn't with the first and I could with the second.

Let me be clear about something and say that I did not find moops "hurtful" in any way here. I know his type already, and if the real life versions don't bother me, the internet one surely won't. But I did become briefly ferociously defensive of my wife the couple times people at the hospital gave her the stink eye as she was about to go into labor and/or had just gotten out of labor and this issue came up.

 

[the moops]

I really hope that your wife doesn't have an issue keeping up her supply, because heaven forbid she has to go on formula and you are unsupportive.

Perhaps you should read my posts again.