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Breaston TD (1 Viewer)

Seeing the majority says to add the points do we or is to SOL as it is playoffs?

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pagermill

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Hey All,

I did a search and couldn't find an existing topic but here is an all too familiar situation:

I'm commish and already out of it.

1 semi has a team up by ~5 with Vikes to go vs Bears.

Team with lead had Breaston but didnt get points for fumble recovery.

I didn't know there was an option for 'offensive fumble recovery TD' on cbs options.

No description for this situation in the rules.

We do have the following blanket rule for bad situations:

XII DECISION MAKING

Any problems with the existing rules or ideas for new additional rules can be brought up at any time. Depending on the nature of rule, it may not become valid till the next season. All changes are doable only with majority rule. That is eight (8) owners must agree.

But the issue is....is it fair to vote on something like this at this point of the season and enforce it or do we say to the owner of Breaston he's SOL because the rules weren't set up correctly?

Since I didnt have access to the site during the day, I put up a poll just in case it would be required...right now 7 people say to allow the points and 1 says not to.

Any opinions appreciated...and i put up a vote to see.

Thanks!!!

 
I would not change the rule now. Let it stand and address it in the off season. Why should one guy win and not the other? Whether the option should be clicked is a different story, but you wouldnt want to penalize the guy who won under the rules that were in place for the entire season.The wording of your XII Decision Making should go from this:

Any problems with the existing rules or ideas for new additional rules can be brought up at any time. Depending on the nature of rule, it may not become valid till the next season. All changes are doable only with majority rule. That is eight (8) owners must agree.
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to this:
Any problems with the existing rules or ideas for new additional rules can be brought up at any time. However, all new rules will not become valid nor voted upon until after the championship game. All changes are doable only with majority rule. That is eight (8) owners must agree.
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Good points.

And you are right with the after championship line. Not saying it would happen or is happening but there is always alliances in voting, etc. I wouldn't say collusion but people do stick together.

 
There was a situation like this a couple years ago. If I recall correctly, it will end up in many leagues being scored as a defensive touchdown and not an individual TD for Breaston.

 
If it was the good old days of hand calculations...I would have included it.

Same if he had returned a punt or kickoff for a TD.

 
Abraham said:
There was a situation like this a couple years ago. If I recall correctly, it will end up in many leagues being scored as a defensive touchdown and not an individual TD for Breaston.
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I think that you are referring to a double fumble situation (where the ball goes from Team A to Team B and then back to Team A again). But in Breaston's case, Team B (the defense) never had possession of the ball.
 
pagermill said:
If it was the good old days of hand calculations...I would have included it.
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Then I would give Breaston the points. I wouldn't even consider it a "rule change", since you would have automatically given Breaston the points if not for the vagaries of Sportsline.
 
Does the Arizona D/ST get 6 points for this play? If yes, I lose...if no, I win. I didn't see the play happen.

 
Just looked it up and the Arz D/ST didnt get a TD credit.

When posting the Q to the league, we did note that Car never had control so it wasnt a Off became the D, etc.

 
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Ugh...fantasybowl.com changed it to a D/ST touchdown. Any other sites make a ruling yet? If it stands, that's a helluva way for my season to end.

ETA - MFL does not have it as a D/ST touchdown. Antsports does give them a D/ST touchdown. Can anyone tell me how CBS, Yahoo, ESPN, etc. scored it? This is driving me nuts.

 
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Clorox said:
Ugh...fantasybowl.com changed it to a D/ST touchdown. Any other sites make a ruling yet? If it stands, that's a helluva way for my season to end.

ETA - MFL does not have it as a D/ST touchdown. Antsports does give them a D/ST touchdown.
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All that tells you is that fantasybowl and Antsports suck.I mean, think about it -- an offensive player could fumble to himself and that's considered a defensive touchdown??? :thumbdown:

 
With our scoring system in CBS sportsline, they are not giving the 6 points to Breaston.

We have 6 points for receiving tds and 6 points for rushing tds. This was neither. I wouldn't give this to special teams or defense either.

 
this happened to me a few yrs ago on a rasheid davis td. ya i started him. anyway, i emailed the commish and he gave me the 6. it was a cbs league. we've always played with a spirit of the rules type thing in that if a dude gets a td, he gets fantasy points. obv some leagues are more stringent or explicit.

 
do you have a set of rules that supercedes with website administration task?

would breaston get the pts if he'd returned a punt for a td?

 
Count the TD for Breaston. It should not count for Arizona D/ST. It was an offensive fumble recovery.

Something similar happened years ago when the Bucs threw an INT to a Colts DB, who then fumbled, and Keenan McCardell scooped it an ran for a TD. That caused so much confusion on who should score what. For my league, I simplified the rules so that all TD's are awarded to the individual. So even if there is a new creative way for a player to score a TD, we're covered.

 
If Breaston scored a TD, and was in dude's starting lineup, dude needs to get points for Breaston's TD.

Do not let your software get in the way of common sense.

 
I'm always amazed at how many forseeable problems are NOT covered in league rules. Offensive fumble recoveries are forseeable problems.

It would count in most leagues.

 
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What I don't get is why is the NFL itself not ruling this as a Breaston TD from a stat perspective.
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NFL.com has not updated Breaston's stats yet, but I would imagine that eventually he'll be given credit in the "Touchdown - Fumble Recovery" category.The Gamebook lists Breaston's TD in the play-by-play, but it does not give him credit in the box score.

 
It's an offensive fumble recovery TD. CBS has that as a separate stat category, and it's off by default (so no one gets credit). We had a Super Bowl decided by this a couple years back (Kevin Curtis).

The Curtis owner was annoyed. We hadn't explicitly decided to exclude offensive fumble recovery TDs, but we did have a clause in our rules that our scoring system was set in our league site on CBS, and in case of any disputes we went with what CBS decided.

We added that stat category in as a TD for the next season.

 
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
With our scoring system in CBS sportsline, they are not giving the 6 points to Breaston.We have 6 points for receiving tds and 6 points for rushing tds. This was neither. I wouldn't give this to special teams or defense either.
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In CBS, the commish needs to allow for an offensive fumble recovery to count as a TD.To the OP if your league was not set up originally to allow it (my league is set up to allow it), I don't see why you should allow it now. The guy that loses because of it has no reason to complain. Your league is set up to allow 6 points for a TD reception or a TD run, of which this was neither.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
With our scoring system in CBS sportsline, they are not giving the 6 points to Breaston.We have 6 points for receiving tds and 6 points for rushing tds. This was neither. I wouldn't give this to special teams or defense either.
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In CBS, the commish needs to allow for an offensive fumble recovery to count as a TD.To the OP if your league was not set up originally to allow it (my league is set up to allow it), I don't see why you should allow it now. The guy that loses because of it has no reason to complain. Your league is set up to allow 6 points for a TD reception or a TD run, of which this was neither.
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but how is their league set up? Is CBS the rule-keeper/enforcer or the secretary?If they have league rules established and agreed upon then that should supercede the site. If they have scored it a certian way in the past, then precendent is set and without an agreed upon CHANGE in the rules, you would have to go with precedent as te establishment of law.
 
Scoring Plays

Panthers

1 10:22 J.Kasay 28 yd. Field Goal (6-57, 2:27) 0 3

Panthers

1 0:14 J.Kasay 29 yd. Field Goal (14-80, 6:42) 0 6

Panthers

2 8:42 J.King 16 yd. pass from J.Clausen (J.Kasay kick) (1-16, 0:07) 0 13

Cardinals

2 0:36 J.Feely 23 yd. Field Goal (12-46, 4:19) 3 13

Panthers

3 12:12 J.Kasay 24 yd. Field Goal (6-31, 2:48) 3 16

Panthers

3 0:27 J.Kasay 43 yd. Field Goal (10-21, 6:29) 3 19

Cardinals

4 5:41 S.Breaston fumble recovery in end zone (run failed) (7-74, 2:12) 9 19

Cardinals

4 0:54 J.Feely 30 yd. Field Goal (6-60, 0:55) 12

WHY is this even an issue? If your league site didn't score it correctly - FIX IT

 
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Captain Hook said:
WHY is this even an issue? If your league site didn't score it correctly - FIX IT
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It's an issue because some leagues are set up to ONLY count rushing, receiving, and passing TDs for offensive players. No other types of TDs are counted.Of course, these issues never existed in the pre-internet days. But now that the options exist, people forget to set them up and then all hell breaks loose when the TDs happen.

 
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