Brees breaks Marino's single season passing record (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

 

[Sea Duck]

Wish he could threw a few more of them to Sproles and a few less to Colston.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

 

[gianmarco]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. It also is probably due to the overall quality of QBs in the league being better.Passing #'s year by year

ETA--Let's not forget that Peyton Manning, arguably the best QB to ever play, has played in the same timeframe as Brees. He hasn't come within 350 yards of the record in 13 years. Not many QBs have been even remotely close. One guy was 16 yards away. It happens to be the same guy that's about to break (shatter) it. Maybe Brees just is that good.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record.To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt.

Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game.

The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace.

Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game, which is almost 400 more yards on the season.

It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. It also is probably due to the overall quality of QBs in the league being better.Passing #'s year by year

ETA--Let's not forget that Peyton Manning, arguably the best QB to ever play, has played in the same timeframe as Brees. He hasn't come within 350 yards of the record in 13 years. Not many QBs have been even remotely close. One guy was 16 yards away. It happens to be the same guy that's about to break (shatter) it. Maybe Brees just is that good.

Regarding Peyton, that's largely a function of passing attempts. There's only been one year of his entire career where he came remotely close to the amount of passing attempts Brees will have.534, 571, 547, 591, 566, 491, 453, 557, 515, 555, 571, 679

Those are Manning's attempts by year. Brees is going to end up in the 650 range. Granted, Manning's YPA is only higher than Brees' current YPA of 8.2 twice, but that really has nothing to do with Marino/Brees. I'm not knocking Brees - he's playing great. But Marino's 1984 season was on a different level.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Starting this thread mid-September would have been a whole lot cooler...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record.To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt.

Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game.

The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace.

Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game, which is almost 400 more yards on the season.

It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

 

[dgreen]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. It also is probably due to the overall quality of QBs in the league being better.

The league is different. There's much more of an emphasis on pass coverage penalties. Every little bit of contact is called and keeps drives alive. The automatic first down is huge. Not to mention all the rules involving defenseless receivers that are now called and much more is called in regards to contact with the QB. QBs and receivers are much more free to play catch now than they ever have been. I don't see how that can be denied.

ETA--Let's not forget that Peyton Manning, arguably the best QB to ever play, has played in the same timeframe as Brees. He hasn't come within 350 yards of the record in 13 years. Not many QBs have been even remotely close. One guy was 16 yards away. It happens to be the same guy that's about to break (shatter) it. Maybe Brees just is that good.

Nobody is saying anything negative about Brees. He's clearly one of the best QBs of his generation and is headed for the HOF.

 

[robertd52]

I love how they talk about Brees being a great competitor when he tried to deliver the hit on that 3rd down play he had to run on. That was a "crap if I don't get the record this drive I may not get it tonight" play, NOT a we need this first down to win this game play!

 

[gianmarco]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record.To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt.

Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game.

The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace.

Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game, which is almost 400 more yards on the season.

It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

In 2006, the average team threw for less than 205 yards per game. Did it all of a sudden become a passing league in the last 5 years? Were you saying the same thing when Marino broke the record in 1984? In 1978, just 6 years earlier, the league was only averaging 158.8 yds/game. If you look at the 70's, there was a FAR greater jump in passing yds/game then compared to what's going on now compared to Marino's time. So, keeping that in mind, does it diminish what Marino did since it became much more of a passing league when he broke the record in 1984 compared to previous years? Do you realize that the game continues to evolve but that that doesn't diminish the accomplishment?

The bottom line is that there was a SIGNIFICANT change in passing numbers starting ~1979. Before that, teams were averaging 140-160 yds/game. Over the course of 2-3 years, those numbers jumped by 40-50 yds/game and remained at ~200 yds/game. If you're going to say that Brees's accomplishment is cheapened because of the increase in passing numbers over the last few years, then you need to say the same thing about Marino due to when he broke the record.

 

[Herm23]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record.To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt.

Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game.

The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace.

Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game, which is almost 400 more yards on the season.

It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

In 2006, the average team threw for less than 205 yards per game. Did it all of a sudden become a passing league in the last 5 years? Were you saying the same thing when Marino broke the record in 1984? In 1978, just 6 years earlier, the league was only averaging 158.8 yds/game. If you look at the 70's, there was a FAR greater jump in passing yds/game then compared to what's going on now compared to Marino's time. So, keeping that in mind, does it diminish what Marino did since it became much more of a passing league when he broke the record in 1984 compared to previous years? Do you realize that the game continues to evolve but that that doesn't diminish the accomplishment?

The bottom line is that there was a SIGNIFICANT change in passing numbers starting ~1979. Before that, teams were averaging 140-160 yds/game. Over the course of 2-3 years, those numbers jumped by 40-50 yds/game and remained at ~200 yds/game. If you're going to say that Brees's accomplishment is cheapened because of the increase in passing numbers over the last few years, then you need to say the same thing about Marino due to when he broke the record.

Yes, yes it did. Are you new to watching this game of football or have you just not been paying very close attention?Edited to add that I don't think this in any way diminishes the accomplishment, means Brees doesn't deserve it, or in any way adds an asterisk or any "yeah, but" qualifications to it. I'm simply commenting on the fact that it is silly to think that the NFL hasn't morphed into a very pass friendly league in the last half decade and it only continues to trend further that way. Every rule to limit contact, eliminate harsh blows, the helmet to helmet penalties, the defenseless receiver penalty, all the rule changes to free up receivers not only at the line of scrimmage but all over the field, and all the rules that make quarterbacks nearly impossible to touch without getting flagged has set the stage for an influx of passing yardage and increased offensive statistics. That's just the way it is and I'm confused how someone could possibly see it otherwise. It's been flagrantly happening for several years and it is no secret the NFL believes their ratings are only improved with the improved offensive success of their league.

 

[mr roboto]

TD to Sproles. Record.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Brees does USO tours and goes to the war zone to be with the troops.

Good for him, I hope he keeps breaking records.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

TD

Great way to break the record

 

[dgreen]

These moments are fun to watch.

 

[gianmarco]

These moments are fun to watch.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record.To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt.

Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game.

The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace.

Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game, which is almost 400 more yards on the season.

It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

In 2006, the average team threw for less than 205 yards per game. Did it all of a sudden become a passing league in the last 5 years? Were you saying the same thing when Marino broke the record in 1984? In 1978, just 6 years earlier, the league was only averaging 158.8 yds/game. If you look at the 70's, there was a FAR greater jump in passing yds/game then compared to what's going on now compared to Marino's time. So, keeping that in mind, does it diminish what Marino did since it became much more of a passing league when he broke the record in 1984 compared to previous years? Do you realize that the game continues to evolve but that that doesn't diminish the accomplishment?

The bottom line is that there was a SIGNIFICANT change in passing numbers starting ~1979. Before that, teams were averaging 140-160 yds/game. Over the course of 2-3 years, those numbers jumped by 40-50 yds/game and remained at ~200 yds/game. If you're going to say that Brees's accomplishment is cheapened because of the increase in passing numbers over the last few years, then you need to say the same thing about Marino due to when he broke the record.

Through all the years and all the changes, Marino's record stood for 27 years. It didn't all of a sudden become a passing league, but yes, we've seen a dramatic change recently, which is why we're about to see a dozen 4,000 yard passing teams this year.

Was it easier for Marino compared to teams in the late 70's? Sure. But like I said, it was a record that stood for 27 years and took an extraordinary effort to break. It's a great accomplishment, but I wonder what Marino would've done with these rules and another 50 passing attempts. As it is, I'm far more impressed by Marino's 1984 season.

 

[dgreen]

The bottom line is that there was a SIGNIFICANT change in passing numbers starting ~1979. Before that, teams were averaging 140-160 yds/game. Over the course of 2-3 years, those numbers jumped by 40-50 yds/game and remained at ~200 yds/game. If you're going to say that Brees's accomplishment is cheapened because of the increase in passing numbers over the last few years, then you need to say the same thing about Marino due to when he broke the record.

Come on, nobody is bashing Brees. We all recognize his greatness. Clearly there were HUGE rule changes in '77 and '78. It changed the game. And, recently, new rules and greater emphasis on existing rules has changed the game even more. You're right, it's possible Marino's accomplishment isn't as impressive as someone else's prior to 1978. Someone is free to make that case and those in Marino's corner shouldn't take that as cheapening Marino.

 

[flapgreen]

Very impressive but it's difficult to compare the two. It couldn't happen to a more classy player than Brees, though.

 

[Kleck]

Brees is good man. Very happy for him.

 

[Gadabout]

Marino still had a quick release.

That can never be taken away from him.

 

[gianmarco]

Through all the years and all the changes, Marino's record stood for 27 years.

This is exactly my point. Marino's record was outstanding. So outstanding that even all these new rule changes and offensive shifts weren't enough for some of the greatest QBs to break it (Peyton, Brady, Warner). If it was simply a matter of rule changes, the record would have fallen long ago. It's not an accident that Drew Brees has thrown for 5000 yds TWICE in his career. That's why Brees breaking the record should not be and is not diminished by the rule changes. Marino, along with Fouts, ushered in a new era in passing and set an unthinkable record at the time. Brees is taking it to a whole new level. He didn't just break it. He's likely about to shatter it by 250+ yds depending on how next week goes. It's part of the progression of the game. It's a shame that some are pointing to the increase in numbers lately as a reason to diminish what he did compared to Marino. I guess there were people back in 1984 who watched passing numbers jump up substantially who said the same thing about Marino and Fouts when they broke Namath's record set in 1967.

 

[Organized Chaos]

That was awesome. Gratz to Brees.

 

[gianmarco]

The bottom line is that there was a SIGNIFICANT change in passing numbers starting ~1979. Before that, teams were averaging 140-160 yds/game. Over the course of 2-3 years, those numbers jumped by 40-50 yds/game and remained at ~200 yds/game. If you're going to say that Brees's accomplishment is cheapened because of the increase in passing numbers over the last few years, then you need to say the same thing about Marino due to when he broke the record.

Come on, nobody is bashing Brees. We all recognize his greatness. Clearly there were HUGE rule changes in '77 and '78. It changed the game. And, recently, new rules and greater emphasis on existing rules has changed the game even more. You're right, it's possible Marino's accomplishment isn't as impressive as someone else's prior to 1978. Someone is free to make that case and those in Marino's corner shouldn't take that as cheapening Marino.

I know people aren't bashing Brees. It's just a shame that 3 posts into this, someone is already saying how it doesn't compare to Marino. There's no doubt that the league is more pass-oriented than year's past. But again, that's how records eventually fall. Marino was one of the guys that started it all. For the same reason, Gronkowski's record for TEs this year isn't any less amazing just because TEs are used more. It's part of an offensive philosophy change that he's helping to take place. Anyway, it is what it is. It was a great moment to watch and was happy to see it done by him, especially after getting so close 3 yrs ago.

 

[NeverEnough]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

 

[shader]

Funny thing is the Brady could get the record next week. Pats win and get the 1 seed. New Orleans likely has nothin to play for as the 49ers are very unlikely to lose to st Louis.

Brady is about 190 behind....

 

[dgreen]

The bottom line is that there was a SIGNIFICANT change in passing numbers starting ~1979. Before that, teams were averaging 140-160 yds/game. Over the course of 2-3 years, those numbers jumped by 40-50 yds/game and remained at ~200 yds/game. If you're going to say that Brees's accomplishment is cheapened because of the increase in passing numbers over the last few years, then you need to say the same thing about Marino due to when he broke the record.

Come on, nobody is bashing Brees. We all recognize his greatness. Clearly there were HUGE rule changes in '77 and '78. It changed the game. And, recently, new rules and greater emphasis on existing rules has changed the game even more. You're right, it's possible Marino's accomplishment isn't as impressive as someone else's prior to 1978. Someone is free to make that case and those in Marino's corner shouldn't take that as cheapening Marino.

I know people aren't bashing Brees. It's just a shame that 3 posts into this, someone is already saying how it doesn't compare to Marino. There's no doubt that the league is more pass-oriented than year's past. But again, that's how records eventually fall. Marino was one of the guys that started it all. For the same reason, Gronkowski's record for TEs this year isn't any less amazing just because TEs are used more. It's part of an offensive philosophy change that he's helping to take place. Anyway, it is what it is. It was a great moment to watch and was happy to see it done by him, especially after getting so close 3 yrs ago.

Yeah, it can be annoying that someone quickly mentions a counter argument, but just enjoy it for now. Comparing the two seasons could be some good offseason fun in the Shark Pool. Brees still has one more game to go to close out his argument in this debate.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Funny thing is the Brady could get the record next week. Pats win and get the 1 seed. New Orleans likely has nothin to play for as the 49ers are very unlikely to lose to st Louis.Brady is about 190 behind....

I doubt the Saints will assume a win over the Rams for SF given that they themselves fell to STL

 

[Gadabout]

 

[Steelers4Life]

The bottom line is that there was a SIGNIFICANT change in passing numbers starting ~1979. Before that, teams were averaging 140-160 yds/game. Over the course of 2-3 years, those numbers jumped by 40-50 yds/game and remained at ~200 yds/game. If you're going to say that Brees's accomplishment is cheapened because of the increase in passing numbers over the last few years, then you need to say the same thing about Marino due to when he broke the record.

Come on, nobody is bashing Brees. We all recognize his greatness. Clearly there were HUGE rule changes in '77 and '78. It changed the game. And, recently, new rules and greater emphasis on existing rules has changed the game even more. You're right, it's possible Marino's accomplishment isn't as impressive as someone else's prior to 1978. Someone is free to make that case and those in Marino's corner shouldn't take that as cheapening Marino.

I know people aren't bashing Brees. It's just a shame that 3 posts into this, someone is already saying how it doesn't compare to Marino. There's no doubt that the league is more pass-oriented than year's past. But again, that's how records eventually fall. Marino was one of the guys that started it all. For the same reason, Gronkowski's record for TEs this year isn't any less amazing just because TEs are used more. It's part of an offensive philosophy change that he's helping to take place. Anyway, it is what it is. It was a great moment to watch and was happy to see it done by him, especially after getting so close 3 yrs ago.

It's not JUST about the makeup of the league or the rules that benefit passers. It's about the fact that Brees is also on a nearly record-setting pace on passes per game, which is about 5 passes PER GAME more than Marino threw in 1984.

So, not only did Marino do it in a far more difficult era for quarterbacks, he did it by throwing far less often and averaging almost a yard more per pass atempt. Like I've said time and time again, it's a record and it's a helluva accomplishment for a classy guy. Brees is great, one of the best in a passing era.

 

[Pnishthm]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive. I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record. To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt. Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game. The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace. Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game,which is almost 400 more yards on the season. It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

So if Brees throws for 400 next week and breaks the record by 400 yards would it then be considered comparable?

 

[bentley]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

 

[shader]

Funny thing is the Brady could get the record next week. Pats win and get the 1 seed. New Orleans likely has nothin to play for as the 49ers are very unlikely to lose to st Louis.Brady is about 190 behind....

I doubt the Saints will assume a win over the Rams for SF given that they themselves fell to STL

Maybe not but if it's halftime and brews has 150 yards and the 49ers are up 20, I could see Brees getting benched. Don't need him hurt with a playoff game the next week. That would mean Brady would need about 340...Could be interesting

 

[Steelers4Life]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

 

[xpiredcoupon]

literally won my championship on that record breaking throw.

 

[General Tso]

Wow. Incredible night. He does it on a TD pass. On MNF at home. His post game speech, covered on Espn, says it all about this guy. He thanks everyone personally right down to the Equipment Manager.

He got no respect in San Diego, but he stayed classy. He suffered a devastating injury, but he recovered. And when New Orleans was almost wiped from the map, he stayed and helped them recover. What a great guy and a great player. He may not win the MVP this year, but I don't think there's ever been a player more important to his city and his team.

And great to see Marino get so much respect in all of this. Still feel bad this guy never won a Superbowl.

 

[Gadabout]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

They also didn't show that Marino was far less accurate than Brees was.

 

[bentley]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

Didn't realize we were talking about a record for attempts. Because I'm pretty sure that yards are all that matters when talking about a yardage record.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive. I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record. To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt. Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game. The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace. Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game,which is almost 400 more yards on the season. It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

So if Brees throws for 400 next week and breaks the record by 400 yards would it then be considered comparable?

He already has something like 50 more passing attempts than Marino had in 1984. So what's another 400 yards going to prove> Well, he'll have done it while averaging a yard less per attempt in a much easier era. So, you do the math!

 

[Stephen Hawking]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

haters.gonna.hate.

 

[gianmarco]

It's about the fact that Brees is also on a nearly record-setting pace on passes per game, which is about 5 passes PER GAME more than Marino threw in 1984.

So?Eric Dickerson holds the record for most rushing yards in a year with 2105 yards. But it took him 379 attempts to do it. So does that mean it's not that great since Barry Sanders was only 52 yards away but only needed 335 carries to get there and had a significantly higher yds/rushing attempt than Dickerson? The record isn't for highest passing yards/attempt. Same way Emmitt's record of total rushing yards isn't based on his yds/attempt. So sure, Marino was more efficient that year. Brees attempted a lot of passes. So?

 

[Stephen Hawking]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

Didn't realize we were talking about a record for attempts. Because I'm pretty sure that yards are all that matters when talking about a yardage record.

good.posting.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

Didn't realize we were talking about a record for attempts. Because I'm pretty sure that yards are all that matters when talking about a yardage record.

No one is disputing the validity of the record. Yardage is yardage. It's like breaking Roger Maris' record in more games. It's still a record.The number of attempts and era factor into things if you want to analyze which season is more impressive.

 

[Steelers4Life]

It's about the fact that Brees is also on a nearly record-setting pace on passes per game, which is about 5 passes PER GAME more than Marino threw in 1984.

So?Eric Dickerson holds the record for most rushing yards in a year with 2105 yards. But it took him 379 attempts to do it. So does that mean it's not that great since Barry Sanders was only 52 yards away but only needed 335 carries to get there and had a significantly higher yds/rushing attempt than Dickerson? The record isn't for highest passing yards/attempt. Same way Emmitt's record of total rushing yards isn't based on his yds/attempt. So sure, Marino was more efficient that year. Brees attempted a lot of passes. So?

No, it means that Dickerson had a phenomenal year, but personally, I'm more impressed by a guy who came within 52 yards on almost 50 fewer carries.I've never said Brees doesn't deserve the record. I said I'm far more impressed with Marino's 1984 season than Brees' season this year, and that's certainly not a knock on Brees because Marino's 1984 season was probably the greatest ever.

 

[gianmarco]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

Didn't realize we were talking about a record for attempts. Because I'm pretty sure that yards are all that matters when talking about a yardage record.

No one is disputing the validity of the record. Yardage is yardage. It's like breaking Roger Maris' record in more games. It's still a record.The number of attempts and era factor into things if you want to analyze which season is more impressive.

We should probably start looking at things like strength of schedule, weather, draft position of WRs, etc. to get a really good analysis going here. I mean, we need to get to the bottom of this and figure out which is more impressive.

 

[bentley]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

Didn't realize we were talking about a record for attempts. Because I'm pretty sure that yards are all that matters when talking about a yardage record.

No one is disputing the validity of the record. Yardage is yardage. It's like breaking Roger Maris' record in more games. It's still a record.The number of attempts and era factor into things if you want to analyze which season is more impressive.

No it's not. Drew Brees threw for more yards in fewer games. And with a similar deviation above the norm relative to the previous record. Only a moron would argue otherwise.

 

[Pnishthm]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes. What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

Didn't realize we were talking about a record for attempts. Because I'm pretty sure that yards are all that matters when talking about a yardage record.

No one is disputing the validity of the record. Yardage is yardage. It's like breaking Roger Maris' record in more games. It's still a record. The number of attempts and era factor into things if you want to analyze which season is more impressive.

It's actually like breaking it with more at bats not games.

 

[Kilgore]

That last TD just won me my Super Bowl.

I want to have a uterus implanted so that I can have Brees' children.

A class guy, and my personal savior.

 

[Pnishthm]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive. I'm too lazy to look it up, but when Marino set the record, there were two other QBs who even had 4,000 yards. There are going to be a dozen of them or so this year.

The "times" aren't that much different. Not enough to make Marino "far, far more impressive". This year just seems to be an anomaly with lots of QBs throwing for big numbers. It doesn't mean something happened this year that made it easier for them. It's just a matter of a perfect storm that a lot of QBs are putting up career #'s. Passing #'s year by year

It's a passing league now. It wasn't when Marino set the record. To put this into perspective, Marino had 572 attempts in 1984 and averaged a whopping 9.0 yards per attempt. Brees had 583 passing attempts already before tonight, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt, and he's about 1 pass per game off the record for average passing attempts per game. The average team in 1984 threw for 205 yards per game, or a 3,280 yard pace. Today, the average team has thrown for 228 yards per game,which is almost 400 more yards on the season. It's a great accomplishment, but it's not comparable to what Marino did in 1984.

So if Brees throws for 400 next week and breaks the record by 400 yards would it then be considered comparable?

He already has something like 50 more passing attempts than Marino had in 1984. So what's another 400 yards going to prove> Well, he'll have done it while averaging a yard less per attempt in a much easier era. So, you do the math!

So why bother posting a stat saying how teams this year are averaging 400 more yards passing on the season? According to that stat that YOU bothered to look up and post, if Brees breaks the record by 400 yards then they must be equal. No?