Brees record get an *? (1 Viewer)

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I know I know classy guy, and everyone says I drink Hatorade, I live here, and I love the Redskins.

The reason I'm not impressed.

Brees played in 11 dome games this year. Yes 11

Rodgers played in 4

And Brady? ZERO!!!!!!! ZERO!!!!! Dome games and he will most likely beat Marino's record as well. Its much easier to throw in a dome, then it is to throw in the northeast.

Brees has 622 Att. The Saints have rushed the ball 396 times

Brady 576 Att. The Pats 409 rushes

Rodgers 502 Att. Green Bay 371 rushes Now I think if you let Rodgers throw the ball 120 more times, the record is shattered by him.

Am I off my rocker? Yes, I still think Marino's is better then oll 3 of them. He did it when you could play defense, rape, mug, wr's.

 

[shadyridr]

Brees did it in 15 games

 

[TankRizzo]

That's how the cards fall, you can argue these points, but he has the numbers and that's it.

If you ask me, any passing record 2004 and later should have an asterisk. We wouldn't be seeing these numbers if it weren't for the rule changes.

I mean, come on....Culpepper threw for 4717 and 39 TDs that year. What more evidence do you need for an asterisk than that?

 

[gianmarco]

That's how the cards fall, you can argue these points, but he has the numbers and that's it.If you ask me, any passing record 2004 and later should have an asterisk. We wouldn't be seeing these numbers if it weren't for the rule changes.I mean, come on....Culpepper threw for 4717 and 39 TDs that year. What more evidence do you need for an asterisk than that?

Marino should get an asterisk too, then. Before 1979, most teams averaged 140-150 yds/game passing. By 1984, the league is averaging over 200 yds/game, the year Marino did it.ASTERISK THAT RECORD TOO!!!

 

[apalmer]

That's how the cards fall, you can argue these points, but he has the numbers and that's it.If you ask me, any passing record 2004 and later should have an asterisk. We wouldn't be seeing these numbers if it weren't for the rule changes.I mean, come on....Culpepper threw for 4717 and 39 TDs that year. What more evidence do you need for an asterisk than that?

Personally, I think any record after 1960 needs an asterisk--it was a lot tougher when there were no domes and only 12 games in a season.

 

[shader]

I'm so sick of this crap. It's a yardage record. Brees got it. He's likely to put another 300 yards on top of it. He did it in 15 games.

 

[BobbyLayne]

That's how the cards fall, you can argue these points, but he has the numbers and that's it.

If you ask me, any passing record 2004 and later should have an asterisk. We wouldn't be seeing these numbers if it weren't for the rule changes.

I mean, come on....Culpepper threw for 4717 and 39 TDs that year. What more evidence do you need for an asterisk than that?

Personally, I think any record after 1960 needs an asterisk--it was a lot tougher when there were no domes and only 12 games in a season.

Plus these modern guys have had to play against full-time year-round athletes instead of guys who spent six months as bankers and insurance salesmen.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Any record set when players were not wearing leather headgear with no facemask should have an asterice.

 

[Doug B]

I still think Marino's is better then oll 3 of them. He did it when you could play defense, rape, mug, wr's.

No, he didn't. Seen this posted in another thread, and It's not true. Marino was a senior at Central Catholic HS when the NFL instituted the "illegal contact after five yards" penalty.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

As far as rules changes, MNF had a stat up that showed average passing yards per game in 1984 and 2011 and Brees' amd Marino's avergae passing yards per game and Brees' numbers held up well.

 

[AmosMoses]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

 

[Warhogs]

I should not even reply because this is not threadworthy but he has the record and suggesting it would get an asterisk is just plain silly. Every year the NFL makes rule changes that may favor one statistic or another so the baseline for each year is a little different. It is the record.

 

[sho nuff]

An asterisk because other guys did not play in domes or throw as many passes?

Meh...no thanks.

 

[Doug B]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

I was correcting a fundamental misconception that I've already seen in two threads Someone can meaningfully argue that Marino's 1984 season was better, but not on the grounds that the Miami WRs were facing pre-1978 NFL defensive rules.

 

[AmosMoses]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

I was correcting a fundamental misconception that I've already seen in two threads Someone can meaningfully argue that Marino's 1984 season was better, but not on the grounds that the Miami WRs were facing pre-1978 NFL defensive rules.

The "What did I do" BS makes it even worse.

 

[sports_fan]

This is dumb. Asterisks are reserved for cheaters. Brees didn't cheat.

 

[Insein]

Any record after the birth of Christ should have an asterisk. Those are all Jesus' records anyway. Unless Tebow breaks them.

 

[biju]

Just curious: did Moss get this same treatment when he broke Rice's TD record?

I'm not sure why people hate seeing old records broken so much, but so what? The game changes and evolves; the players have better equipment, are faster, and bigger/stronger than they were even a decade ago so what did you expect to have happen?

 

[Doug B]

The "What did I do" BS makes it even worse.

Amos, I respectfully disagree on this point. If you think my tone was toolish, I can understand. Otherwise, no offense to Cooley was intended -- he was just the unlucky guy who happened to post for a second time that Marino's WRs got mugged down the field in 1984.

 

[dwyadog]

Just curious: did Moss get this same treatment when he broke Rice's TD record?I'm not sure why people hate seeing old records broken so much, but so what? The game changes and evolves; the players have better equipment, are faster, and bigger/stronger than they were even a decade ago so what did you expect to have happen?

Yes Moss did get the same treatment from a lot of folks. Pretty much the second post in any moss thread late in the season brought up rice and the strike-shortened season. Just how it goes it seems. It's great for Brees, will make for some compelling games next week if brady lights it up and brees doesn't but its all in good fun. This isn't baseball, numbers don't mean a whole lot as the complexion of the game is constantly changing. Enjoy it for what it is and be ready for all records to be broken eventually, either through superior talent, situation or more chances.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This is dumb. Asterisks are reserved for cheaters. Brees didn't cheat.

Roger Maris says hi.

 

[NeverEnough]

I think Marino doing it in 1984 is far superior to Brees doing it in 2011, but there is no need for an asterisk.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

What the hell are you talking about?For every reason anybody can come up with an asterisk, there's an argument in Brees' favor. - Brees did it in 15 games instead of 16. - Defenses now are far more sophisticated with nickel and dime packages, situational pass rushers, exotic schemes, etc. - Brees' yardage per game is significantly more over the league average than Marino's was.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

I was correcting a fundamental misconception that I've already seen in two threads Someone can meaningfully argue that Marino's 1984 season was better, but not on the grounds that the Miami WRs were facing pre-1978 NFL defensive rules.

The "What did I do" BS makes it even worse.

Amos - quit while you are behind...

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

NFL teams averaged 7.1 yards per attempt in 1984.NFL teams are averaging 7.2 yards per attempt in 2011.

 

[AmosMoses]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

I was correcting a fundamental misconception that I've already seen in two threads Someone can meaningfully argue that Marino's 1984 season was better, but not on the grounds that the Miami WRs were facing pre-1978 NFL defensive rules.

The "What did I do" BS makes it even worse.

Amos - quit while you are behind...

That would make more sense if you understood what you were reading.

 

[Abrantes]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, AmosMoses.

 

[AmosMoses]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

What the hell are you talking about?For every reason anybody can come up with an asterisk, there's an argument in Brees' favor. - Brees did it in 15 games instead of 16. - Defenses now are far more sophisticated with nickel and dime packages, situational pass rushers, exotic schemes, etc. - Brees' yardage per game is significantly more over the league average than Marino's was.

I agree with you

 

[12punch]

They should award the record to mccoy having to play through the adversity of cleveland

 

[LC512]

Any record set when players wore helmets needs an asterisk

 

[cheese]

The dome arguement is silly IMO, but I wish they had just let him break it in week 17 once they got into obvious clock killing time. He would have anyway and it still would be at home. Running shotgun passes every single down while up 22 with 2 minutes left is just weak. Its not quite on the level of Strahan, but just once I'd like to see a big record broken in the normal course of a game by a guy making a play that mattered. If he needed to run up his stats at the end of week 17 then I would've understood a little more. It was tacky and unnecessary in this case though.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Marino set the record in multiple categories the year he shattered everything so it will always hold up better than Brees having just the yards, Manning and Brady notching the TD record by "1" each year they did it...Marino was way more impactful but I don't want to rain down on Brees supporters, makes Marino fans sound bitter and I'm not, just is what it is.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Marino set the record in multiple categories the year he shattered everything

Brees is also on pace to break records for total completions and completion percentage. Unless he goes something like 10-for-200 against the Panthers both of those are well in hand.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Marino set the record in multiple categories the year he shattered everything

Brees is also on pace to break records for total completions and completion percentage. Unless he goes something like 10-for-200 against the Panthers both of those are well in hand.

But Marino threw 48 TDs in 1983...previous high was 36, Dan Fouts had thrown for quite a few yards a couple times before Marino but he was the first to shatter the 5,000 barrier and it took almost 25 years before anyone would come close to that number again. I don't think anyone will ever break the TD and Pass Yds mark simultaneously again. Marino did not throw in a short dink and dunk type system either, most of his passes were down the field. His WR1 and WR2 combined for 140/2700/26 TD...that's an incredible amount of yards for the starting 2 WRs on only 140 receptions, not to mention they were both pipsqueaks at about 5 foot 9 each. Marques Colston has 70/993/6...that's his WR1 and i know he missed a little time. I appreciate you chiming in with some more records but if you lived thru the Marino era and by that I mean you were at least 10 years old and already a big fan and can remember the era, it was a monumental feat what Marino did.

I'm not taking away from Brees and his accomplishments but the stats speak for themselves.

 

[guderian]

Brees should get a reverse-asterisk since he's 4" shorter than Marino. That extra height was a huge advantage for Marino.

 

[urbanhack]

I'm so sick of this crap. It's a yardage record. Brees got it. He's likely to put another 300 yards on top of it. He did it in 15 games.

and to the haters.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm so sick of this crap. It's a yardage record. Brees got it. He's likely to put another 300 yards on top of it. He did it in 15 games.

and to the haters.

Didn't we pass a rule that the next person who uses the unholy point to the shirt sign was going to be permanently stripped of their man card in here? Thought I got a memo on that from Hoart.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It would be nice to see Saints fans not doing what you are doing, Doug B.

I was correcting a fundamental misconception that I've already seen in two threads Someone can meaningfully argue that Marino's 1984 season was better, but not on the grounds that the Miami WRs were facing pre-1978 NFL defensive rules.

The "What did I do" BS makes it even worse.

Amos - quit while you are behind...

That would make more sense if you understood what you were reading.

I'm pretty sure nobody here understands what your problem is with what Doug posted.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Those teams that won Super Bowls in domed stadiums should get an * as well.

-QG

 

[AngryPatriot]

ChrisCooleyFan*

In all seriousness, it is a good point. Brees has an advantage but it's still valid. btw- Brady is the best that is, was, and ever will be!!!!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Those teams that won Super Bowls in domed stadiums should get an * as well.-QG

Instead of an * those should get a ^

 

[King of the Wolfies]

this is gotta be one of the dumbest threads of 2011.

 

[B-Deep]

Brees should get a reverse-asterisk since he's 4" shorter than Marino. That extra height was a huge advantage for Marino.

plus marino had those isotoner gloves

 

[nysportsfan]

Marino set the record in multiple categories the year he shattered everything

Brees is also on pace to break records for total completions and completion percentage. Unless he goes something like 10-for-200 against the Panthers both of those are well in hand.

But Marino threw 48 TDs in 1983...previous high was 36, Dan Fouts had thrown for quite a few yards a couple times before Marino but he was the first to shatter the 5,000 barrier and it took almost 25 years before anyone would come close to that number again. I don't think anyone will ever break the TD and Pass Yds mark simultaneously again. Marino did not throw in a short dink and dunk type system either, most of his passes were down the field. His WR1 and WR2 combined for 140/2700/26 TD...that's an incredible amount of yards for the starting 2 WRs on only 140 receptions, not to mention they were both pipsqueaks at about 5 foot 9 each. Marques Colston has 70/993/6...that's his WR1 and i know he missed a little time. I appreciate you chiming in with some more records but if you lived thru the Marino era and by that I mean you were at least 10 years old and already a big fan and can remember the era, it was a monumental feat what Marino did.

I'm not taking away from Brees and his accomplishments but the stats speak for themselves.

Sounds to me a bit like sour grapes.

 

[ldizzle]

This is dumbest thing ive read in a while

 

[AmosMoses]

Those teams that won Super Bowls in domed stadiums should get an * as well.-QG

Instead of an * those should get a ^

† for all players born after 1960

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Marino set the record in multiple categories the year he shattered everything

Brees is also on pace to break records for total completions and completion percentage. Unless he goes something like 10-for-200 against the Panthers both of those are well in hand.

But Marino threw 48 TDs in 1983...previous high was 36, Dan Fouts had thrown for quite a few yards a couple times before Marino but he was the first to shatter the 5,000 barrier and it took almost 25 years before anyone would come close to that number again. I don't think anyone will ever break the TD and Pass Yds mark simultaneously again. Marino did not throw in a short dink and dunk type system either, most of his passes were down the field. His WR1 and WR2 combined for 140/2700/26 TD...that's an incredible amount of yards for the starting 2 WRs on only 140 receptions, not to mention they were both pipsqueaks at about 5 foot 9 each. Marques Colston has 70/993/6...that's his WR1 and i know he missed a little time. I appreciate you chiming in with some more records but if you lived thru the Marino era and by that I mean you were at least 10 years old and already a big fan and can remember the era, it was a monumental feat what Marino did.

I'm not taking away from Brees and his accomplishments but the stats speak for themselves.

Sounds to me a bit like sour grapes.

Sorry you feel that way but feelings and facts are different. Some of our younger readers might not know that much about Marino or the era he ushered in and changed the game for future QBs like Drew Brees. As I have posted in a couple threads now, Congrads to Brees and his fans, another feather in the cap of a future HoF inductee. If that's sour grapes to you then you're just fishing.

 

[dickey moe]

this is gotta be one of the dumbest threads of 2011.

Thanks, Shakespeare.

 

[Wrigley]

Playing in a dome is just like cheating......it's almost not football.

*

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Every record set after they replaced rocks with air-filled balls or even skulls should have an *