Brees (1 Viewer)

[Harry Beanbag]

I just do not understand why SD will not resign him

they've got a lot invested in a former #1 pick, Phil Rivers..but SD is crazy to let brees walk,his departure will haunt them for a long time!

they've got alot of faith in an unproven never-has-been in Rivers, so we'll see what happens..it could blow up on them..

Much like Cincy had that same amount of faith when giving Carson Palmer the starting job over the proven Jon Kitna. Judging by last season, that didn't seem to backfire on them too badly. I think the offer AJ made was fair. The NFL is a business and his sholder is a concern. Brees wants guaranteed money and AJ wants to take a "wait and see" approach. Both businessmen trying to get the most for their best interests. If Brees's shoulder is as good as he says it is, then he should have no problems with an incentive laiden contract that gives him a lot of bonus money should he take 75% of the snaps. AJ is trying to cover his backside and Brees is trying to get paid up front hoping that his past performances will help other overlook his glaring injury. Time will tell but I doubt the Chargers wil be kicking themselves for letting Brees go if in fact he does exit.

Kind of reminds me of people in 2001 when SD traded out of the No. 1 draft slot and traded it to Atlanta. Falcons took Mike Vick and the Chargers took LT2 with the fifth overall pick. No too bad a decision in my opinion.

 

[Rozelle]

I think McCown lands in Detroit.

To my mind, it doesn't matter where he lands. He's a marginal talent.

He has shown he can win.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Didn't Rich Gannon come back from the same type of injury and have an MVP season?

No. Gannon came back and played just a few games before getting hurt again (different injury) and retiring.

He tore his labrum the first around 1994.

Do you have a link for that? I searched around Google and the only thing I found supporting it was a reader comment at Football Outsiders. Other than that, the only torn labrum info on Gannon concerns his 2003 injury. For example:"Gannon was almost 38 when he tore his labrum; he also had endured previous shoulder injuries, including a torn rotator cuff and a separation." -- SD Union-Trib article.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/6829852

The operation took place in Minnesota and was performed by the same doctor who did his shoulder surgery after his 1993 season with Washington. Gannon missed the 1994 season and then was released by the Redskins.

Thanks. That doesn't mention a labrum though (other than the 2003 injury).

 

[DrJ]

I just do not understand why SD will not resign him

they've got a lot invested in a former #1 pick, Phil Rivers..but SD is crazy to let brees walk,his departure will haunt them for a long time!

they've got alot of faith in an unproven never-has-been in Rivers, so we'll see what happens..it could blow up on them..

Much like Cincy had that same amount of faith when giving Carson Palmer the starting job over the proven Jon Kitna. Judging by last season, that didn't seem to backfire on them too badly. I think the offer AJ made was fair. The NFL is a business and his sholder is a concern. Brees wants guaranteed money and AJ wants to take a "wait and see" approach. Both businessmen trying to get the most for their best interests. If Brees's shoulder is as good as he says it is, then he should have no problems with an incentive laiden contract that gives him a lot of bonus money should he take 75% of the snaps. AJ is trying to cover his backside and Brees is trying to get paid up front hoping that his past performances will help other overlook his glaring injury. Time will tell but I doubt the Chargers wil be kicking themselves for letting Brees go if in fact he does exit.

Kind of reminds me of people in 2001 when SD traded out of the No. 1 draft slot and traded it to Atlanta. Falcons took Mike Vick and the Chargers took LT2 with the fifth overall pick. No too bad a decision in my opinion.

The Bengals didn't just let Kitna walk and go with Palmer and a bunch of garbage behind him.

 

[saintfool]

I think McCown lands in Detroit.

To my mind, it doesn't matter where he lands. He's a marginal talent.

He has shown he can win.

so has Orton but most folks would not go out of their way to sign or draft him.

 

[-OZ-]

I think McCown lands in Detroit.

To my mind, it doesn't matter where he lands. He's a marginal talent.

He has shown he can win.

so has Orton but most folks would go out of their way to sign or draft him.

Funny that you mentioned Orton, as I'm wondering if Chicago is remotely possible for Brees.

 

[cstu]

I just do not understand why SD will not resign him

they've got a lot invested in a former #1 pick, Phil Rivers..but SD is crazy to let brees walk,his departure will haunt them for a long time!

they've got alot of faith in an unproven never-has-been in Rivers, so we'll see what happens..it could blow up on them..

Much like Cincy had that same amount of faith when giving Carson Palmer the starting job over the proven Jon Kitna. Judging by last season, that didn't seem to backfire on them too badly. I think the offer AJ made was fair. The NFL is a business and his sholder is a concern. Brees wants guaranteed money and AJ wants to take a "wait and see" approach. Both businessmen trying to get the most for their best interests. If Brees's shoulder is as good as he says it is, then he should have no problems with an incentive laiden contract that gives him a lot of bonus money should he take 75% of the snaps. AJ is trying to cover his backside and Brees is trying to get paid up front hoping that his past performances will help other overlook his glaring injury. Time will tell but I doubt the Chargers wil be kicking themselves for letting Brees go if in fact he does exit.

Kind of reminds me of people in 2001 when SD traded out of the No. 1 draft slot and traded it to Atlanta. Falcons took Mike Vick and the Chargers took LT2 with the fifth overall pick. No too bad a decision in my opinion.

The Bengals didn't just let Kitna walk and go with Palmer and a bunch of garbage behind him.

Are you saying the 2004 Bengals had more talent on offense than the 2006 Chargers are going to have?

 

[saintfool]

Funny that you mentioned Orton, as I'm wondering if Chicago is remotely possible for Brees.

If they had a lick of sense, they would at least consider it. He'd be a great fit in that offense, now that you mention it.

 

[Big Score]

I just do not understand why SD will not resign him

they've got a lot invested in a former #1 pick, Phil Rivers..but SD is crazy to let brees walk,his departure will haunt them for a long time!

they've got alot of faith in an unproven never-has-been in Rivers, so we'll see what happens..it could blow up on them..

Much like Cincy had that same amount of faith when giving Carson Palmer the starting job over the proven Jon Kitna. Judging by last season, that didn't seem to backfire on them too badly. I think the offer AJ made was fair. The NFL is a business and his sholder is a concern. Brees wants guaranteed money and AJ wants to take a "wait and see" approach. Both businessmen trying to get the most for their best interests. If Brees's shoulder is as good as he says it is, then he should have no problems with an incentive laiden contract that gives him a lot of bonus money should he take 75% of the snaps. AJ is trying to cover his backside and Brees is trying to get paid up front hoping that his past performances will help other overlook his glaring injury. Time will tell but I doubt the Chargers wil be kicking themselves for letting Brees go if in fact he does exit.

Kind of reminds me of people in 2001 when SD traded out of the No. 1 draft slot and traded it to Atlanta. Falcons took Mike Vick and the Chargers took LT2 with the fifth overall pick. No too bad a decision in my opinion.

The Bengals didn't just let Kitna walk and go with Palmer and a bunch of garbage behind him.

Are you saying the 2004 Bengals had more talent on offense than the 2006 Chargers are going to have?

He's saying that when the Bengals turned the starting QB job over to Palmer, they still kept a proven veteran QB on the roster just in case Palmer blew up in their face.The Chargers would not be doing that. They've got who behind Rivers? It's A J Feely isn't it?

 

[Kit Fisto]

I think McCown lands in Detroit.

To my mind, it doesn't matter where he lands. He's a marginal talent.

He has shown he can win.

He has? I must have missed the Cardinals winning more than 6 games anytime in the past few years...McCown is a stopgap, nothing more.

 

[jonessed]

I just do not understand why SD will not resign him

they've got a lot invested in a former #1 pick, Phil Rivers..but SD is crazy to let brees walk,his departure will haunt them for a long time!

they've got alot of faith in an unproven never-has-been in Rivers, so we'll see what happens..it could blow up on them..

Much like Cincy had that same amount of faith when giving Carson Palmer the starting job over the proven Jon Kitna. Judging by last season, that didn't seem to backfire on them too badly. I think the offer AJ made was fair. The NFL is a business and his sholder is a concern. Brees wants guaranteed money and AJ wants to take a "wait and see" approach. Both businessmen trying to get the most for their best interests. If Brees's shoulder is as good as he says it is, then he should have no problems with an incentive laiden contract that gives him a lot of bonus money should he take 75% of the snaps. AJ is trying to cover his backside and Brees is trying to get paid up front hoping that his past performances will help other overlook his glaring injury. Time will tell but I doubt the Chargers wil be kicking themselves for letting Brees go if in fact he does exit.

Kind of reminds me of people in 2001 when SD traded out of the No. 1 draft slot and traded it to Atlanta. Falcons took Mike Vick and the Chargers took LT2 with the fifth overall pick. No too bad a decision in my opinion.

The Bengals didn't just let Kitna walk and go with Palmer and a bunch of garbage behind him.

Are you saying the 2004 Bengals had more talent on offense than the 2006 Chargers are going to have?

He's saying that when the Bengals turned the starting QB job over to Palmer, they still kept a proven veteran QB on the roster just in case Palmer blew up in their face.The Chargers would not be doing that. They've got who behind Rivers? It's A J Feely isn't it?

I would love to have someone like Kitna to backup Rivers, but that's because Kitna doesn't command nearly the salary. Justifying a $10MM/year Brees as just an insurance policy would be difficult. That is assuming SD does something else with the cash.

 

[5Rings]

Funny that you mentioned Orton, as I'm wondering if Chicago is remotely possible for Brees.

If they had a lick of sense, they would at least consider it. He'd be a great fit in that offense, now that you mention it.

On his Sirius show on Friday (?), Pat Kirwan talked about the Bears and Brees. He said Chicago has no interest because the GM (can't recall name), who is his good buddy, wants to make sure Grossman is the man and there is no competition. He also said from Brees POV, the situation would be the same in CHI as SD--a chance to compete for the job with a highly drafted QB.

I don't agree, but thats what Kirwan said.

 

[Big Score]

I just do not understand why SD will not resign him

they've got a lot invested in a former #1 pick, Phil Rivers..but SD is crazy to let brees walk,his departure will haunt them for a long time!

they've got alot of faith in an unproven never-has-been in Rivers, so we'll see what happens..it could blow up on them..

Much like Cincy had that same amount of faith when giving Carson Palmer the starting job over the proven Jon Kitna. Judging by last season, that didn't seem to backfire on them too badly. I think the offer AJ made was fair. The NFL is a business and his sholder is a concern. Brees wants guaranteed money and AJ wants to take a "wait and see" approach. Both businessmen trying to get the most for their best interests. If Brees's shoulder is as good as he says it is, then he should have no problems with an incentive laiden contract that gives him a lot of bonus money should he take 75% of the snaps. AJ is trying to cover his backside and Brees is trying to get paid up front hoping that his past performances will help other overlook his glaring injury. Time will tell but I doubt the Chargers wil be kicking themselves for letting Brees go if in fact he does exit.

Kind of reminds me of people in 2001 when SD traded out of the No. 1 draft slot and traded it to Atlanta. Falcons took Mike Vick and the Chargers took LT2 with the fifth overall pick. No too bad a decision in my opinion.

The Bengals didn't just let Kitna walk and go with Palmer and a bunch of garbage behind him.

Are you saying the 2004 Bengals had more talent on offense than the 2006 Chargers are going to have?

He's saying that when the Bengals turned the starting QB job over to Palmer, they still kept a proven veteran QB on the roster just in case Palmer blew up in their face.The Chargers would not be doing that. They've got who behind Rivers? It's A J Feely isn't it?

I would love to have someone like Kitna to backup Rivers, but that's because Kitna doesn't command nearly the salary. Justifying a $10MM/year Brees as just an insurance policy would be difficult. That is assuming SD does something else with the cash.

I'd agree with you that $10 mil per year for Brees as a back up is too much, but remember, $10 mil is what he's asking for, not necessarily what he's going to get.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'd agree with you that $10 mil per year for Brees as a back up is too much, but remember, $10 mil is what he's asking for, not necessarily what he's going to get.

The Chargers offered $8.3 million a year for six years and he turned it down.

 

[wannabee]

I'd agree with you that $10 mil per year for Brees as a back up is too much, but remember, $10 mil is what he's asking for, not necessarily what he's going to get.

The Chargers offered $8.3 million a year for six years and he turned it down.

did he turn down the amount per year or the amount of guaranteed money?

 

[LHUCKS]

I'd agree with you that $10 mil per year for Brees as a back up is too much, but remember, $10 mil is what he's asking for, not necessarily what he's going to get.

The Chargers offered $8.3 million a year for six years and he turned it down.

did he turn down the amount per year or the amount of guaranteed money?

guaranteed money, which was only 2 mil I believe....The Saints offered around 7/8...he wants 10.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'd agree with you that $10 mil per year for Brees as a back up is too much, but remember, $10 mil is what he's asking for, not necessarily what he's going to get.

The Chargers offered $8.3 million a year for six years and he turned it down.

did he turn down the amount per year or the amount of guaranteed money?

He turned down $50 million over six years with $2 million guaranteed. I believe he was fine with the total amount but wanted at least $8.1 million of it to be guaranteed.

 

[BoltBacker]

•- Expects any contract would include a club option for year 2.

•- Charger offer is guarantee is $2M… Other teams offer is 4-5 times that…

Nevermind, if either NO/MIA are willing to give Brees $8mil-$10mil guaranteed for 1 year then SD has not interest at all.I'm just shocked that either would be willing to go that high for a season where he may not be 100%. More power to him if he can get that deal.

 

[Big Score]

I'd agree with you that $10 mil per year for Brees as a back up is too much, but remember, $10 mil is what he's asking for, not necessarily what he's going to get.

The Chargers offered $8.3 million a year for six years and he turned it down.

did he turn down the amount per year or the amount of guaranteed money?

He turned down $50 million over six years with $2 million guaranteed. I believe he was fine with the total amount but wanted at least $8.1 million of it to be guaranteed.

Yeah the reason Brees turned it down, is because of the low guaranteed money. As we all know by now, the bottom line in NFL contracts, is the guaranteed money. Of course LHUCKS says he also turned down $7 to $8 mil in guaranteed money from the Saints.

That's a head scratcher.

I can only surmise that he's either over pricing himself, or he got wind that the Saints plan on drafting a QB high and he didn't want to be in the same situation that he's just gone through.

 

[Gatorman]

he got wind that the Saints plan on drafting a QB high and he didn't want to be in the same situation that he's just gone through.

DING!They would not guarantee that they don't take a QB. Miami may not give them that guarantee either if Cutler falls to 16.

 

[saintfool]

I can only surmise that he's either over pricing himself, or he got wind that the Saints plan on drafting a QB high and he didn't want to be in the same situation that he's just gone through.

i don't see how the saints could expect to spend that chunk of change on him and leinart. they have cap room but they're not swimming it. i think he's overpricing himself at this stage. Culpepper's sudden availability really messed with the market.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

*** RUMOR *** RUMOR *** RUMOR ***

Word is making its way around a few message boards (e.g., FinHeaven) that Brees has signed with Miami for six years, $55-$58 million. This is not yet confirmed by any major news organization that I'm aware of.

 

[LHUCKS]

*** RUMOR *** RUMOR *** RUMOR ***

Word is making its way around a few message boards (e.g., FinHeaven) that Brees has signed with Miami for six years, $55-$58 million. This is not yet confirmed by any major news organization that I'm aware of.

To be expected.

 

[Winston Smith]

*** RUMOR *** RUMOR *** RUMOR ***

Word is making its way around a few message boards (e.g., FinHeaven) that Brees has signed with Miami for six years, $55-$58 million. This is not yet confirmed by any major news organization that I'm aware of.

:saintsfan:

 

[LHUCKS]

*** RUMOR *** RUMOR *** RUMOR ***

Word is making its way around a few message boards (e.g., FinHeaven) that Brees has signed with Miami for six years, $55-$58 million. This is not yet confirmed by any major news organization that I'm aware of.

:saintsfan:

Never had a chance.

 

[cstu]

Any mention of a bonus? Can't be over $10M.

 

[BoltBacker]

Any mention of a bonus? Can't be over $10M.

My guess is no higher than $8mil, more likely lower.

 

[Rozelle]

I think McCown lands in Detroit.

To my mind, it doesn't matter where he lands. He's a marginal talent.

He has shown he can win.

He has? I must have missed the Cardinals winning more than 6 games anytime in the past few years...McCown is a stopgap, nothing more.

Arizona was 5-11 last year. Mc Cown was 3-3 as a starter, (Warner 2-8). McCown has never had a running game or much of an o-line to work with. He will suprprise some people. Detroit is a nice fir for him. We'll see

 

[valhallan]

*** RUMOR *** RUMOR *** RUMOR ***

Word is making its way around a few message boards (e.g., FinHeaven) that Brees has signed with Miami for six years, $55-$58 million. This is not yet confirmed by any major news organization that I'm aware of.

:saintsfan:

Never had a chance.