I need peoples help to do the research on this but I will gaurantee you that Griese puts up career best numbers against the Lions this week. There are countless examples of this happening. Matt Leinart had his coming out party last year against Detroit. Joey Harrington had his best game ever against Detroit on Thanksgiving last year. Mcnabb last week was at least a top five career performance. Farve, Rodney Pete. This could actually be its own thread. Players best performances and what team was it against??? Answer: Detroit Lions more often than not. Sad but true. Griese is a must start at fantasy this week unless you have Brady, Palmer, or Manning.
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Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
Agreed, nice post. Is there a touch of wishful thinking involved, though?
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Footballguy
In Grossman's 1 season as a starter, he completed 54.6% of his passes for 3193 yards, with 23 TDs and 20 INTs. That's roughly 14.8 fantasy points per game.
Griese's average fantasy total for his career: 15.2 fantasy points per game.
In other words, Griese in an average year is better than Grossman at his best.
Griese's average fantasy total for his career: 15.2 fantasy points per game.
In other words, Griese in an average year is better than Grossman at his best.
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Footballguy
He probably did.
are you insinuating that lovie asked grossman to trip over his own feet, panic at the sight of an offensive lineman, and repeatedly throw up wobbly 25 yard ducks under duress? grossman has thrown his share of short dump-offs and quick-outs, but most seem to get deflected or are just not on target for some reason. your guess is as good as mine as to why this is.griese is being brought in to bring some stability to the position. i agree that he's being brought in to 'keep the chains moving', not turn over the ball, and let the defense (or what's left of it) win games. he's not a fantasy qb by any stretch of the imagination, but his presence and ability to operate under pressure (like any average qb should), should immediately bump up the value of cedric benson. also, as noted above, griese has outperformed grossman in his limited looks here in chicago, but has never been utilized. i'll go out on a limb and say that brian griese could have led the 2006 bears team to the superbowl last year... and perhaps won it. all he had to do was 'not lose' the game. i guess in the same vein, warren moon could have come out of retirement and led last year's bears team to the superbowl. go figure. i hope they go with griese and stick with him.
Department 400
Footballguy
It's like people don't believe that a coach would pick the wrong guy. There have been numerous examples of this over the years. The one which springs to mind is when Jimmy Johnson took over the Miami Dolphins. Johnson KNEW he had an aging QB in Dan Marino, who was hobbling from the achilles injury. However, instead of making positive moves, or pursuing solid free agent QB's, he was locked into Marino because of Marino's legacy. I firmly believe, had Johnson not been handcuffed with an aging Marino, he would have done much better as a Dolphin.
Seems to me there is more going on here than just what we see. Grossman has been horrible, and that should not come as a news flash. When they ran that MNF stat about actually earning a "0" rating as a starting QB, and having three more games with a rating under "40" -- just awful. Perhaps Lovie swore to him he would remain the starting QB and refused to go back on his word. Perhaps Grossman has compromising tapes of Lovie committing some heinous act. Or maybe Lovie Smith let his pride rule the roost. Whatever the case, joe-public doesn't have all the information at hand. Because if the situation was this clear, this straightforward, Grossman would have hit the bench a while ago and we'd have seen Griese in some capacity besides just pre-season. By the way, if Griese was THIS bad, why didn't the Bears pursue one of the many free agent QB's in the off-season?
Bottom line: On that team, with better than average weapons, Griese may do some short term damage. His career completion percentage is 63% and he's no stranger to the NFL scheme. And if the city, and better yet, the team get behind him, we could see this Bear team actually make a legit run. Time will tell, but I agree with most, the Grossman experiment is over (for now). Let's see what Griese can do. As for me? Bulger is dinged up, his RB is torn, and his line is suspect. I may actually take a long shot start with Griese at the helm.
Seems to me there is more going on here than just what we see. Grossman has been horrible, and that should not come as a news flash. When they ran that MNF stat about actually earning a "0" rating as a starting QB, and having three more games with a rating under "40" -- just awful. Perhaps Lovie swore to him he would remain the starting QB and refused to go back on his word. Perhaps Grossman has compromising tapes of Lovie committing some heinous act. Or maybe Lovie Smith let his pride rule the roost. Whatever the case, joe-public doesn't have all the information at hand. Because if the situation was this clear, this straightforward, Grossman would have hit the bench a while ago and we'd have seen Griese in some capacity besides just pre-season. By the way, if Griese was THIS bad, why didn't the Bears pursue one of the many free agent QB's in the off-season?
Bottom line: On that team, with better than average weapons, Griese may do some short term damage. His career completion percentage is 63% and he's no stranger to the NFL scheme. And if the city, and better yet, the team get behind him, we could see this Bear team actually make a legit run. Time will tell, but I agree with most, the Grossman experiment is over (for now). Let's see what Griese can do. As for me? Bulger is dinged up, his RB is torn, and his line is suspect. I may actually take a long shot start with Griese at the helm.
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Footballguy
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Footballguy
That "aging" Dan Marino was 34 years old and had just thrown 24 TDs (in only 14 games) and had been named to the Pro Bowl. Marino's average season under Johnson was better than any Dolphins QB since Marino retired.
kensat30
Footballguy
Rex threw to Berrian for the same reason that Griese will, the guy gets open.
Southside Stosh
Footballguy
Ron Turner likes to get pass happy; Griese is somewhat accurate and likes to spread the ball around = good fit.
The 2000 Ravens won with Dilfer; Da Bears can win with Griese.
The 2000 Ravens won with Dilfer; Da Bears can win with Griese.
Some folks are really getting carried away with Griese here....
If he is as good as some of you are hyping him up to be, wouldn't it make sense that he'd be Elways's succesor instead of being a journetman who landed in Chicago?
Is he better than Grossman? For NFL purposes, yes. Fantasy? won't be much difference.
In standard leagues, he'll be giving his owners about 10 to 12 points per week... on a good day. His arm is weak so it will be short passes. Not long bombs to Berrian. Come on folks, stop cranking the hype machine and asdvertise Griese as a better solution than the likes of Cutler.
If he is as good as some of you are hyping him up to be, wouldn't it make sense that he'd be Elways's succesor instead of being a journetman who landed in Chicago?
Is he better than Grossman? For NFL purposes, yes. Fantasy? won't be much difference.
In standard leagues, he'll be giving his owners about 10 to 12 points per week... on a good day. His arm is weak so it will be short passes. Not long bombs to Berrian. Come on folks, stop cranking the hype machine and asdvertise Griese as a better solution than the likes of Cutler.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I don't think you should be comparing us with those Ravens. Our defense w/o Harris, Briggs, Vasher isn't the best in the division, let alone the NFL.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Career QB rating of 84.5, 104-80 TD-to-INT ratio, 204.5 yards per game average, 63.0% completion percentageWhat exactly is so bad about him? Heres a few QBs simlilar to him for a comparisonDude lay down the pipe. If Griese was all that he would of been the starter. Griese will fold just like he alway does. Griese is not even the QB that Grossman is. I have seen him ruin the Denver Bronocs he will do the same to the Bears.But on this Board the grass is always greener. Just to bad you will be dissapointed.If Griese was as advertised, maybe he wouldn't have been cut from Denver, Miami, and TB.
rew Brees: 80.0 QB rating, 107-71 TD/INT, 223.6 yards per game.Steve McNair: 83.2 QB rating, 173-116 TD/INT, 194.9 yards per gamePhil Simms: 78.5 QB rating, 199-157 TD/INT, 204.0 yards per gameTroy Aikman: 81.6 QB rating, 165-141 TD/INT, 199.6 yards per gameMatt Hasselbeck: 85.5 QB rating, 119-74 TD/INT, 156.7 yards per game(note: Matt's ypg is unfairly brought down due to a lot of spot duty though)
Department 400
Footballguy
Jimmy Johnson took over the Dolphins in 1996 and relinquished his reign in 1999. During that time Marino (evidently) did not prosper, save one year. Come with facts, not conjecture.1996: 17 TD/9 INT, 2795 YDS1997: 16 TD/11 INT, 3780 YDS1998: 23 TD/15 INT, 3497 YDS1999: 12 TD/ 17 INT, 2448 YDSHowever, this is off-topic. As mentioned previously, there is something else going on here and Griese is worth a flyer if you have room. Unless you're giving up someone with dramatic upside, why not? No one is saying he's the next Kurt Warner, just potential UNANTICIPATED upside.
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az_prof
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Not necessarily. Some QBs don't fully mature for a while (Rich Gannon, eg) and sometimes it is just a matter of finding the right system (Kitna).I do agree that expectations are over the top for Griese. My concern about him is injury as he is always gets hurt.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
is Griese > Harrington for the rest of the season?
Broncoholic
Footballguy
I've got Vince (Bye) with Grossman as my backup.
As sad as it makes me I just picked up Griese.
As sad as it makes me I just picked up Griese.
Boulder Toads
Footballguy
My exact situation ... was only planning on starting Grossman this week cuz of the matchup, so rolling the dice with Griese. Hoping for 200/1/1 with upside of 250/2/2 if things turn into a shootout of some sort.The WW was preeety thin at QB, so I'm happy to at least have my bye-week filler QB to be playing against the Lions ...
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Love Griese in this situation....
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
Hi Colin,Please elaborate. I have to make a decision between Griese and Harrington for the remainder of the season to back up Palmer (have Grossman now as my #2).
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
u should post this in the five or six griese thread on the first page. some of this bashing and can't throw the deep ball nonsense is getting to be annoying, i think people must have read the same article somewhere on another sports service and decided that's what he'll be branded as. rod smith >> ed mccafferey while griese was in denver, last i checked rod smith was the deep ball guy and big ed was the slant and go hit somebody in the middle guy. griese is no world beater by any means, but i don't see how anyone can argue that this isn't an upgrade for that team. i guess we'll find out on Sunday.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Just updating the list:
Jim Harbaugh
Peter Tom Willis
Will Furrer
Erik Kramer
Steve Walsh
Dave Kreig
Rick Mirer
Steve Stenstrom
Moses Moreno
Shane Matthews
Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Henry Burris
Kordell Stewart
Jonathan Quinn
Craig Krenzel
Chad Hutchinson
Kyle Orton
Rex Grossman
and the latest (since Favre's first start in '92),
Brian Griese
Jim Harbaugh
Peter Tom Willis
Will Furrer
Erik Kramer
Steve Walsh
Dave Kreig
Rick Mirer
Steve Stenstrom
Moses Moreno
Shane Matthews
Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Henry Burris
Kordell Stewart
Jonathan Quinn
Craig Krenzel
Chad Hutchinson
Kyle Orton
Rex Grossman
and the latest (since Favre's first start in '92),
Brian Griese
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Are these all starters, or just QBs on the active roster?
You are talking about the same team that traded Jones and kept Benson.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think the coaches knew what they had in Griese and he's no better than Rex. I think it is the right move now because the team is playing like they don't believe in him anymore.
Sometimes change can be a good thing and maybe a fresh attitude and face in the huddle will help. As far as overall ability, I just don't think it's any better which is why the coaches waited as long as they could before they had to pull the plug on this.
Sometimes change can be a good thing and maybe a fresh attitude and face in the huddle will help. As far as overall ability, I just don't think it's any better which is why the coaches waited as long as they could before they had to pull the plug on this.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Another horrible thing.I like the way John Madden said it at the beginning of the season.When you trade away a player like Thomas Jones that can't be a good thing.Pretty much
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Warner, Gannon, Brunell, Brad Johnson, Garcia (to name a few)....they were all good, but didn't play from day one.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
QB's who have started for the Bears since Favre's first start in 1992
top dog
Footballguy
It's probably not realistic to expect Griese to take off with the Bears QB job and put up Warner-esque type numbers the rest of the year. That being said, those of us with marginal QBBC starters (especially if you ended up with Losman ) have to consider rolling the dice on him.
) have to consider rolling the dice on him.
circelli17
Footballguy
Please keep in mind that the Bears offensive coordinator, Ron Turner (brother of Norv), had success with a similar QB to Brian Griese (see Erik Kramers stats in the mid 90s) his first time around with the Bears. Griese is a much better fit for what Turner likes to do than the erratic Grossman and once he shakes the rust off I think he could be fairly decent (say 16 TDs and 10-12 Ints... if he can be anywhere near his career QB rating of 84.5 the Bears would be ecstatic
BTW whoever said that the Moose should see better number hit the nail on the head. He and the TEs should get the biggest bump at the expense of Berrian.
BTW whoever said that the Moose should see better number hit the nail on the head. He and the TEs should get the biggest bump at the expense of Berrian.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Why? :(
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I find it interesting that Lovie picks the Detriot game to make the switch. Obviously the Lions are a cherry match up for any QB so perhaps Lovie choosing this game is an indication that he wants to give Greise every chance to suceed longterm. Afterall, even Grossman could have had a big day against the Lions. Lovie easily could have let Rex start one more and maybe build some confidence. But he instead makes the switch giving Greise the sweet match up for his first game. It sounds like Lovie is done with Rex.
circelli17
Footballguy
Because he's a west coast system QB that would rather dump the ball down than wait for a pattern deep to open up... this does not bode well for a "go deep" WR like BerrianWhy?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Do the bears run a west coast offense?Because he's a west coast system QB that would rather dump the ball down than wait for a pattern deep to open up... this does not bode well for a "go deep" WR like BerrianWhy?
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Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I am too. Berrian is superior underneath and over the top. What's made Berrian a more complete WR is his progression underneath.Why?
Moose's issue is seperation.....it doesn't matter who is the QB.
Grossman isn't/wasn't the only problem on the Bears right now.
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saintsfan
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Let's be clear. The Bears got to the Super Bowl in spite of Grossman.The fact that he rode the defenses coatails to the Super Bowl doesn't make him an NFL QB.Well if you were I would be seeing you on Sundays and not posting on am football message board. Last I checked Grossman started in the Super Bowl how many other QB's have?He will be better then Lienart. The rest is a toss up. For this week he is a great start.....Im a better QB than Grossman.[/b}Dude lay down the pipe. If Griese was all that he would of been the starter. Griese will fold just like he alway does. Griese is not even the QB that Grossman is. I have seen him ruin the Denver Bronocs he will do the same to the Bears.But on this Board the grass is always greener. Just to bad you will be dissapointed.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
I had no idea that Will Furrer had started a game for the Bears, but it turns out that Ditka threw him out there for the final game of the 1992 season.
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
Start any QB playing Detroit.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Im shocked more people are not talking about playing him even if it is only for one week.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The shuffle at quarterback significantly impacts Benson, who will likely see more carries with Griese in the lineup. The third-year running back is getting nearly 20 carries per game (3.2 average), has scored once and fumbled twice. However, look for Benson to get a few more handoffs in Week Four. Griese could be a good pickup this week if you’re in need of a quarterback. As mentioned, the Lions' secondary is weak and the Bears' offense may be jolted by Griese’s presence. If Griese’s half the quarterback as Eagles QB Donovan McNabb was last week, he’ll throw a pair of TD passes.
As someone who started the season with Brees as QB1 and Grossman as QB2, I obtained Griese and Pennington via my league's waiver wire tonight, at a cost of dropping Randle-El and Adrian Peterson (CHI).
Now, the real quandry: do I start Griese against Detroit, or Pennington against the Bills?
Now, the real quandry: do I start Griese against Detroit, or Pennington against the Bills?
-Crippler-
Footballguy
Same situation here.I have my choice of Griese or Pennington on waivers.I'm 90% sure I'm going with Griese. I was 50/50 and the slight chance that Pennington gets taken out due to his ankle tipped my decision towards ol' Greasey
Reservoir Dog
Footballguy
Definitely Griese for this week, a slight edge to Pennington for the rest of the season.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
We just interviewed John Crist from Bear Report magazine and Bearreport.com
He had some strong takes on da Bears. I will post in the SP when I'm done editing in a bit!
He had some strong takes on da Bears. I will post in the SP when I'm done editing in a bit!
I think people are overrating Griese. Chicago has a backup Qb fetish. (see the Sugar Shane Matthews and Jim Miller debacle)Dude lay down the pipe. If Griese was all that he would of been the starter. Griese will fold just like he alway does. Griese is not even the QB that Grossman is. I have seen him ruin the Denver Bronocs he will do the same to the Bears.But on this Board the grass is always greener. Just to bad you will be dissapointed.If Griese was as advertised, maybe he wouldn't have been cut from Denver, Miami, and TB.
Those in glass houses....feel free to finish this statement.Let's be clear. The Bears got to the Super Bowl in spite of Grossman.The fact that he rode the defenses coatails to the Super Bowl doesn't make him an NFL QB.Well if you were I would be seeing you on Sundays and not posting on am football message board. Last I checked Grossman started in the Super Bowl how many other QB's have?He will be better then Lienart. The rest is a toss up. For this week he is a great start.....Im a better QB than Grossman.[/b}Dude lay down the pipe. If Griese was all that he would of been the starter. Griese will fold just like he alway does. Griese is not even the QB that Grossman is. I have seen him ruin the Denver Bronocs he will do the same to the Bears.But on this Board the grass is always greener. Just to bad you will be dissapointed.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Griese throws no more than 1 TD against Detroit. I just think he will be fools gold this week for people looking for a waiver wire gem. I think he may have some solid games later this year if he continues to start, but not this weekend. Believe it or not, but Detroit actually plays decent defense at home and Griese is prone to turnovers if you can bring the pressure. Griese is not going to put up McNabb numbers against the Lions. He may not even put up Grossman numbers.
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Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
My QB situation is so desperate that I'd be content with that.
