Broncos Blueprint - get Royal the most receptions (1 Viewer)

[Cecil Lammey]

From the Audible's Twitter feed:

http://twitter.com/TheAudible/statuses/19853599950

Mike Klis told me this morning on @877theticket the #Broncos blue print is for Eddie Royal to get the most receptions this year

what does the SP think? I've often said Jabar Gaffney is the only Broncos receiver I want on my fantasy team (as a WR3/4) but this comment certainly caught my attention.

 

[Jayrod]

I thought Decker was supposed to be his replacement so Eddie could focus on returns.

It does make sense as he has shown the most promise.

 

[Rovers]

Sewing pigs ears on a prize heffer, or maybe the other way around.

Royal might be worth a very late flyer, but other than IDP, for me any Bronc is near undraftable. With this info however, if Royal is hanging around late, might be worth a shot as a 4th WR.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Assume Royal can haul in 75 balls, what does that mean in yds and Tds?

 

[_lurker_]

From the Audible's Twitter feed:

http://twitter.com/TheAudible/statuses/19853599950

Mike Klis told me this morning on @877theticket the #Broncos blue print is for Eddie Royal to get the most receptions this year

what does the SP think? I've often said Jabar Gaffney is the only Broncos receiver I want on my fantasy team (as a WR3/4) but this comment certainly caught my attention.

Klis also said that he thinks the Broncos will spread the ball around more than ever. I thought his prediction of 50 catches and 1700 total yards for Moreno was a little more shocking than his opinion on Royal.What's your opinion on the DEN offensive scheme. To me, it seems like a zone offense -- less about crisp route running and more about reading the DEF and adjusting. If you agree, then please educate the afternoon guys as they were saying how Demaryius Thomas is a long way from being relevant due to needing to learn routes, but it seems like routes are downplayed?

I like Shapiro and the other two are okay, but it'd be nice to have a little more insight and depth from the local radio people... so get to it.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

 

[_lurker_]

I thought Decker was supposed to be his replacement so Eddie could focus on returns. It does make sense as he has shown the most promise.

Cecil will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the rookie CB Parrish Cox was supposed to help a lot in returns?

 

[Buffaloes]

We'll see. Last year it was Lindsay Jones who issued a "fantasy alert" that Royal was going to be a stud in McDaniels' offense. I think it's too early to tell and while the Broncos would probably like to get Royal a lot of passes from the slot, it probably depends on how well he picks up the offense and his rapport with Kyle Orton who seemed to prefer larger targets last year. Royal and Orton never really seemed to get on the same page last year.

 

[Jason Wood]

I guess I would ask, what happened to Royal last year? I need to see TANGIBLE production from Royal during the preseason before I'll give him any credit. But obviously the Broncos need weapons, so if he's running with the 1s, looking good in practice, and making plays in the preseason, I'll certainly reconsider him accordingly.

 

[hook014]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

He's short, not a particularly good route runner, and his hands are suspect. Oh yeah, he's also got Kyle Orton as a QB. No thanks but I'll pass.

And that is when his numbers really tanked

 

[purestrength]

Orton may not be Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but he helped Brandon Marshall produce several studly FF games and even a couple for Jabar Gaffney (although nobody in his his/her right mind was starting him when they occurred).

So whoever Orton decides to lock in on is worth knowing, regardless of whether you think Orton is a good QB or not. Kinda like mediocre Jake Delhomme a few years back when he would focus on either Steve Smith or Muhsin Muhammad (when Smith was injured).

Back to the present, this Royal news caught me by surprise. Now I'm wondering if I've wasted my Gaffney picks in 2010 redraft leagues.

 

[hook014]

Orton may not be Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but he helped Brandon Marshall produce several studly FF games and even a couple for Jabar Gaffney (although nobody in his his/her right mind was starting him when they occurred).

So whoever Orton decides to lock in on is worth knowing, regardless of whether you think Orton is a good QB or not. Kinda like mediocre Jake Delhomme a few years back when he would focus on either Steve Smith or Muhsin Muhammad (when Smith was injured).

Back to the present, this Royal news caught me by surprise. Now I'm wondering if I've wasted my Gaffney picks in 2010 redraft leagues.

The three bolded areas are not exactly convincing. Just don't wanna see guys drafting Royal with some great expectation only to realize they've got noodle arm on the other end. Don't pay much and you could get some value. I say rd 11 or later.

 

[destro]

Royal - 60 rec

Gaffney - 50 rec

Thomas - 40 rec

Moreno - 35 rec

Decker - 30 rec

Graham - 25 rec

Stokley - 15 rec

Lloyd - 10 rec

...Plus a few more receptions to random scrubs. In this entirely plausible scenario, Royal has the most catches, and I still don't want him unless he is bordering on free. Given that fact that he appeared to be intentionally phased out of the offense last season, the fact that Gaffney was more productive last season, along with the two drafted WRs who are bound to see some real playing time and Orton (or worse, Tebow) still at QB ...I don't see how any WR stars in this offense. I'll pass.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I guess I would ask, what happened to Royal last year? I need to see TANGIBLE production from Royal during the preseason before I'll give him any credit. But obviously the Broncos need weapons, so if he's running with the 1s, looking good in practice, and making plays in the preseason, I'll certainly reconsider him accordingly.

I don't even know if i can pull the trigger off tangible production in the preseason because last year I saw him producing in the preseason. I thought this guy was good for a very good season and was definately my mid round bust of the year in multiple leagues. To draft him right back the following year.......man. I guess if the price was right and not a midround pick like last year but what prompted me to post was that I saw him doing pretty well in preseason games last year and somehow during the season, he just disappeared, it was weird. I guess the absence of Marshall and around a 100 receptions has to be soaked up by someone.

 

[Banger]

this is interesting. Royal had a great rookie year, had a meteoric rise in value only to fall on his face last year. Now many owners have been burned alla Lee Evans a few years back and wouldn't think of drafting this bum. He was not even on my radar but now will be. He could be a decent low risk, decent upside pick. Even though they may move to more of a running offense, they are still going to pass the ball for probably 3000 yards and 18 tds and they have a journeyman in Gaffney, a couple of rookies and Royal so someone is going to have to make some grabs. Snag him late and if he doesn't do anything in the 1st 3 weeks you drop him for the new flavor of the day on the waiver wire.

 

[FavreCo]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

He's short, not a particularly good route runner, and his hands are suspect. Oh yeah, he's also got Kyle Orton as a QB. No thanks but I'll pass.

This is the biggest reason that isn't going to happen. Case in point, Denver vs Washington last year. Marshall at 6-4 hauls in a 75 yard TD and 40+ yard TD. Soon after that Royal is the one running wide open behind the DB's. Orton overthrows 5'-10" Royal. Marshall would have been able to haul the pass in.

 

[Banger]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

He's short, not a particularly good route runner, and his hands are suspect. Oh yeah, he's also got Kyle Orton as a QB. No thanks but I'll pass.

This is the biggest reason that isn't going to happen. Case in point, Denver vs Washington last year. Marshall at 6-4 hauls in a 75 yard TD and 40+ yard TD. Soon after that Royal is the one running wide open behind the DB's. Orton overthrows 5'-10" Royal. Marshall would have been able to haul the pass in.

but Marshall isn't there anymore and those passes will have to go to someone.

 

[gandalas]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

He's short, not a particularly good route runner, and his hands are suspect. Oh yeah, he's also got Kyle Orton as a QB. No thanks but I'll pass.

This is the biggest reason that isn't going to happen. Case in point, Denver vs Washington last year. Marshall at 6-4 hauls in a 75 yard TD and 40+ yard TD. Soon after that Royal is the one running wide open behind the DB's. Orton overthrows 5'-10" Royal. Marshall would have been able to haul the pass in.

but Marshall isn't there anymore and those passes will have to go to someone.

I think his point was that Orton was throwing high balls, and the shorter Royal was not able to haul them in? Whether this is a common occurrence or not, I do not know...

 

[fightingillini]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

He's short, not a particularly good route runner, and his hands are suspect. Oh yeah, he's also got Kyle Orton as a QB. No thanks but I'll pass.

And that is when his numbers really tanked

Doesn't help when Orton threw practically every pass to Marshall......alright I am exaggerating, but Orton threw about 30% of the time to Marshall. Then the backs (in total), Royal and Gaffney all got smilar target numbers.....around 75. I can definitely see DEN running the ball more. But their D isn't that great. So I see DEN throwing it 500-525 times. So someone has to step up and get some of Marshall's 150 or so targets. Now I am not a huge fan of Royal, but I don't see an issue with taking a late round flyer on him.

 

[bmj87]

IIRC, the issue last year for Royal wasn't his height or his hands or Kyle Orton. He had trouble picking up the playbook with the read-and-react option routes. He wasn't even on the field enough to make an impact in most games last season.

That will be the most important factor for his fantasy success this season. If another offseason and preseason of learning the intricacies of the playbook helps him (and it should), then I could see him being the #1.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

The coaching staff has to take much of the blame for his dropoff. Last preseason they were having him learn all of the wideout positions, which many saw as a great sign that they would utilize him. I don't buy the theory that he struggled to learn the routes, by all accounts he is extremely bright. I like him in redraft, because the 2 rookies (Thomas & Decker) will struggle to learn the complex offense, plus they're both missing valuable time due to early injuries. But I'm not loving Royal in dynasty leagues, because by 2011 Thomas & Decker will be up to speed and Josh will feature them since he drafted them. It's wishful thinking, but if Shanahan could work a trade for him then his dynasty value would explode.

 

[rascal]

From what I've heard in Denver circles is that he doesn't have the knowledge to read the defenses and run the complicated schemes.

In McDaniel's system the WRs run read routes and adjust based on the coverage, and way to often last year he would do the wrong thing.

 

[TwinTurbo]

From what I've heard in Denver circles is that he doesn't have the knowledge to read the defenses and run the complicated schemes.In McDaniel's system the WRs run read routes and adjust based on the coverage, and way to often last year he would do the wrong thing.

Or maybe McDaniel's system doesn't work as advertised. It's probably a bit of both. More complicated scheme? What makes McDaniel's schemes more complicated than Shanahan's? All we know is that the Broncos three best players under Shanahan weren't good enough for McDaniels and somehow it's all their fault and not his.

 

[CA_7]

Klis also said that he thinks the Broncos will spread the ball around more than ever. I thought his prediction of 50 catches and 1700 total yards for Moreno was a little more shocking than his opinion on Royal.

1200 not 1700 http://twitter.com/TheAudible/status/19742796459

 

[_lurker_]

The 1200 is just rushing yards. Klis said 1700 *total*

Klis also said that he thinks the Broncos will spread the ball around more than ever. I thought his prediction of 50 catches and 1700 total yards for Moreno was a little more shocking than his opinion on Royal.

1200 not 1700 http://twitter.com/TheAudible/status/19742796459

 

[Tibereas]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

He's short, not a particularly good route runner, and his hands are suspect. Oh yeah, he's also got Kyle Orton as a QB. No thanks but I'll pass.

Not buying this argument. The guy was good(91-980-5) his rookie year and had a sophomore slump with a new QB and Coach. As for his height 5-10 182 vs Steve Smith Carolina 5-9 185? Speed, route running and hands? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u81gINGflM .

I think way to many people gave up on him way to early. Just got him in the 14th rd of my start up dynasty league and I jumped the gun. I will buy the crappy QB part but for how long??? Somebody has to pick up Marshall's slack and Fast Eddie has a good chance in his 3rd year. I think there is great value in him especially in Dynasty.

 

[Mr.Underhill]

Mike Klis told me this morning on @877theticket the #Broncos blue print is for Eddie Royal to get the most receptions this year

I guess I would ask, what happened to Royal last year? I need to see TANGIBLE production from Royal during the preseason before I'll give him any credit.

I'm with Wood.If getting Royal the ball is the answer in 2010, why wasn't it the answer in 2009? What revelation did McDaniels and Co. have this pre-season that they lacked all of last season when Royal was invisible?If Royal was the key and it was just that his route reading that was suspect in 2009, why didn't they simplify it to get "the key" more involved? It's not like they didn't realize they were struggling in the last half of the season.I'm just not buying it. Not only does it run completely contrary to what we saw of Royal last year, it smacks a little of that stat about wins and getting the RB 20+ carries a game. There isn't necessarily a direct causation. It sounds a little too specific (WHY must Royal get the most receptions?) yet arbitrary for me to put much stock into.

 

[baconisgood]

If getting Royal the ball is the answer in 2010, why wasn't it the answer in 2009? What revelation did McDaniels and Co. have this pre-season that they lacked all of last season when Royal was invisible?

The simple fact is that many young NFL players have trouble with schemes. If Royal had 500 yards as a rookie and then had last season no one would mind chalking it up to the fact that he was a 2nd year player being introduced to a new QB, Coach, Scheme and 2 new WR positions .

 

[gebz306]

He ruined me in 3 leagues last year. I refuse to waste the limited roster spots available for my leagues on this guy, Cutler is not throwing the ball and chatter of Royal not running clean routes makes him undraftable. I have plenty of other sleepers than the slot man on the Denver Bronco's lol

Cheerio from Jags camp!

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I love Royal in PPR leagues given how much his value has dropped. He's a guy I've tried to scoop up in every league I can with most owners bailing after last year's terrible season. The guy has talent and is young. Buy! Buy! Buy!

He's short, not a particularly good route runner, and his hands are suspect. Oh yeah, he's also got Kyle Orton as a QB. No thanks but I'll pass.

Royal is actually a very smart player and a good route runner. The problem was that the scheme last year was "read and react" based on what the defense showed - and that's not what Royal was used to at all. He runs pre-determined routes (as in he knows his route when they break the huddle). Asking him to read the defense and decide what route to run is a completely different animal.

 

[finito]

Could someone find Eddie Royal on this list for me? He's so far down the list, I think I need binoculars to see that far.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

Oh, there he is. DEAD LAST!

(translation: he is one of the worst WR in the NFL)

He didn't look like one of the worst WRs in the NFL his rookie year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Orton was just plain locked on Marshall last yr... it was gross watching a Denver game especially later in the yr.

During the Pre-season when Marshall was out Royal looked good.. but then faded away. I really don't know what to make of him... hes really cheap but Gaff seems to be cheaper. We won't know to much until the pre-season games but after this yrs draft Its hard to hold too much value to him. They Drafted Thomas and I was ok with that; but then they took Decker who seems to be kind of a Royal clone. I traded him away for Cooley recently because I needed a starting TE

 

[Tau837]

He wasn't even on the field enough to make an impact in most games last season.

2009 Denver WR play counts from ProFootballFocus:864 Marshall757 Gaffney583 Royal247 Stokley110 Lloyd 11 Willis

 

[Buffaloes]

but then they took Decker who seems to be kind of a Royal clone.

 

[Two Deep]

Wait till Knucklehead McDaniels decides too start his new favorite son Timmy. People think Eli Manning is inaccurate and throws a wounded duck, well those people ain't seen nothing yet. Royal will need to grow to about 6'6" and have a vertical of 44" and also be able to dig the ball out of the dirt like Derek Jeter. Make no mistake the Denver Bronco's are going to be offensive, just not in a good way.

 

[DawnBTVS]

but then they took Decker who seems to be kind of a Royal clone.

I'd equate Decker more to a Colts era Brandon Stokley myself. Good slot receiver who can get separation and took shots from defenders but hold onto the ball. Won't be asked to go for 100-1500 or anything but can be a solid contributor.Part of Royal's issues was that he was also constantly being moved around during the games so he was never consistently lined up on a side. Sometimes he'd be lined up outside then he'd be lined up inside in a 3 wide set to the right and so on. Being asked to "read and react" on top of knowing where to line up and know what the other receivers are doing has to be a lot to learn, especially coming from an offense that Shanahan ran.Royal was essentially coming in as a rookie for a second year in a row. I expect him to step it up a bit more this year, although I don't think he will get the most receptions on the team. It'd be ideal but the actuality depends on the decisions made by Kyle Orton (or Brady Quinn or Tim Tebow) in the pocket.

 

[BeTheMatch]

but then they took Decker who seems to be kind of a Royal clone.

 

[moleculo]

Wait till Knucklehead McDaniels decides too start his new favorite son Timmy. People think Eli Manning is inaccurate and throws a wounded duck, well those people ain't seen nothing yet. Royal will need to grow to about 6'6" and have a vertical of 44" and also be able to dig the ball out of the dirt like Derek Jeter. Make no mistake the Denver Bronco's are going to be offensive, just not in a good way.

that certainly explains Tebows very low int rate and high completion percentage in college.

 

[Routilla]

Another one catch game for Eddie Royal. Get used to it. That should be his new nickname-- Eddie One Catch!

I concur. I drafted Royal thinking he was a sleeper. If he does not impress in Weeks 1-2 I will have to consider cutting him.

 

[bostonfred]

Another one catch game for Eddie Royal. Get used to it. That should be his new nickname-- Eddie One Catch!

Favre only had one pass completion, too.