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Some of the biggest traps most fall victim to in Redraft (1 Viewer)

I'll have to re-read it because it's been awhile. I think what it means is that if you took all the finishes of the QB1 over the ten years that they would be higher than the QB2 which would be higher than the QB3, etc. Over any specific year it will fluctuate.
If this is the case then ADP is irrelevant to those tables because they are based on after the fact numbers.

That was my point from the beginning. ADP would matter more if people drafted perfectly but that doesn't happen.
ADP 1- 4, 8, 1, 4, 10 = 5.4
ADP 2 - 1, 15, 4, 3, 9 = 6.4
ADP 3 - 7, 20, 1, 8, 3 = 7.8

3 ADP positions and their actual finishing position over 5 years. In any given year the end result looks random, over time it reflects the ADP. The early the masses draft a player the more likely the outcome will be better. If you draft to maximize ADP value, over time your results will be better than the average.

Going back to an actual example from today. 72 teams in this league so there are 6 copies of every player. One guy took Breece at 1.1. The other two copies available today went at #3 and #6. The guy who took Breece at 1 spotted the guy at 6 302 draft points. How much value is that? 1.1 and 4.7 = 1.6 and 2.12. He has basically spotted anyone getting Hall at 1.6 or later a 2.12 for a 4.7. So now not only does his flag plant on Hall have to be right, he has to find an early 3rd round talent with his 4.12 pick just to be on par.

I think you're completely wrong to look at it this way. I think you're overstating the difference if you picked Breece Hall at 1.01 when his ADP was 1.06. If it's redraft, you both got Hall with your 1st round pick so there's no "draft value" gained or lost. You're not "spotting" the guy who took Hall at 1.6 ANY draft value. Plus I've not yet been in a redraft league where you can trade picks, so "trade down and accumulate draft capital" is moot.

If you're in a different league structure that does allow trading picks, then you both have to (A) find a trade partner and (B) actually get Hall with the pick you traded down into - you aren't guaranteed to get Hall in the trade down scenario. If you don't, then you're comparing "value of Hall at 1.01" vs. "value of whoever you got (who wasn't Hall) at the tradedown spot + who you get with the extra draft picks for making the trade."
 
I'll have to re-read it because it's been awhile. I think what it means is that if you took all the finishes of the QB1 over the ten years that they would be higher than the QB2 which would be higher than the QB3, etc. Over any specific year it will fluctuate.
If this is the case then ADP is irrelevant to those tables because they are based on after the fact numbers.

That was my point from the beginning. ADP would matter more if people drafted perfectly but that doesn't happen.
ADP 1- 4, 8, 1, 4, 10 = 5.4
ADP 2 - 1, 15, 4, 3, 9 = 6.4
ADP 3 - 7, 20, 1, 8, 3 = 7.8

3 ADP positions and their actual finishing position over 5 years. In any given year the end result looks random, over time it reflects the ADP. The early the masses draft a player the more likely the outcome will be better. If you draft to maximize ADP value, over time your results will be better than the average.

Going back to an actual example from today. 72 teams in this league so there are 6 copies of every player. One guy took Breece at 1.1. The other two copies available today went at #3 and #6. The guy who took Breece at 1 spotted the guy at 6 302 draft points. How much value is that? 1.1 and 4.7 = 1.6 and 2.12. He has basically spotted anyone getting Hall at 1.6 or later a 2.12 for a 4.7. So now not only does his flag plant on Hall have to be right, he has to find an early 3rd round talent with his 4.12 pick just to be on par.

I think you're completely wrong to look at it this way. I think you're overstating the difference if you picked Breece Hall at 1.01 when his ADP was 1.06. If it's redraft, you both got Hall with your 1st round pick so there's no "draft value" gained or lost. You're not "spotting" the guy who took Hall at 1.6 ANY draft value. Plus I've not yet been in a redraft league where you can trade picks, so "trade down and accumulate draft capital" is moot.

If you're in a different league structure that does allow trading picks, then you both have to (A) find a trade partner and (B) actually get Hall with the pick you traded down into - you aren't guaranteed to get Hall in the trade down scenario. If you don't, then you're comparing "value of Hall at 1.01" vs. "value of whoever you got (who wasn't Hall) at the tradedown spot + who you get with the extra draft picks for making the trade."

Most of my small leagues allow trading draft picks. But let’s focus on the large leagues where there are hundreds of Breece owners. Every one of those owners getting Hall at 1.6 have access to better talent at 2.7 than the Hall owner with a 2.12 pick. Now you not only have to be right on Hall to beat the non Hall owners, you have to do better at your 2.12 than all the guys at 2.7. Studies say your odds are slim.

Note that in the types of contests above this more so applies to middle rounds when in theory you should have multiple options to chose from. The most successful owners will have several plant your flag guys and be able to pivot to the ones that are price appropriately
 
I'll have to re-read it because it's been awhile. I think what it means is that if you took all the finishes of the QB1 over the ten years that they would be higher than the QB2 which would be higher than the QB3, etc. Over any specific year it will fluctuate.
If this is the case then ADP is irrelevant to those tables because they are based on after the fact numbers.

That was my point from the beginning. ADP would matter more if people drafted perfectly but that doesn't happen.
ADP 1- 4, 8, 1, 4, 10 = 5.4
ADP 2 - 1, 15, 4, 3, 9 = 6.4
ADP 3 - 7, 20, 1, 8, 3 = 7.8

3 ADP positions and their actual finishing position over 5 years. In any given year the end result looks random, over time it reflects the ADP. The early the masses draft a player the more likely the outcome will be better. If you draft to maximize ADP value, over time your results will be better than the average.

Going back to an actual example from today. 72 teams in this league so there are 6 copies of every player. One guy took Breece at 1.1. The other two copies available today went at #3 and #6. The guy who took Breece at 1 spotted the guy at 6 302 draft points. How much value is that? 1.1 and 4.7 = 1.6 and 2.12. He has basically spotted anyone getting Hall at 1.6 or later a 2.12 for a 4.7. So now not only does his flag plant on Hall have to be right, he has to find an early 3rd round talent with his 4.12 pick just to be on par.

I think you're completely wrong to look at it this way. I think you're overstating the difference if you picked Breece Hall at 1.01 when his ADP was 1.06. If it's redraft, you both got Hall with your 1st round pick so there's no "draft value" gained or lost. You're not "spotting" the guy who took Hall at 1.6 ANY draft value. Plus I've not yet been in a redraft league where you can trade picks, so "trade down and accumulate draft capital" is moot.

If you're in a different league structure that does allow trading picks, then you both have to (A) find a trade partner and (B) actually get Hall with the pick you traded down into - you aren't guaranteed to get Hall in the trade down scenario. If you don't, then you're comparing "value of Hall at 1.01" vs. "value of whoever you got (who wasn't Hall) at the tradedown spot + who you get with the extra draft picks for making the trade."

Most of my small leagues allow trading draft picks. But let’s focus on the large leagues where there are hundreds of Breece owners. Every one of those owners getting Hall at 1.6 have access to better talent at 2.7 than the Hall owner with a 2.12 pick. Now you not only have to be right on Hall to beat the non Hall owners, you have to do better at your 2.12 than all the guys at 2.7. Studies say your odds are slim.

Note that in the types of contests above this more so applies to middle rounds when in theory you should have multiple options to chose from. The most successful owners will have several plant your flag guys and be able to pivot to the ones that are price appropriately

Let's presume you get randomly assigned your draft slot or otherwise can't trade it. If you think Hall is the #1 best pick in fantasy football, why would you not pick him with the 1.01 draft slot?

The entire premise of this thought experiment is "I think Hall is the best possible pick in the draft." If I have the 1.01 draft pick, why would I not pick him at 1.01 just because his ADP is 1.06? If instead I pick someone else other than Hall whose ADP is higher, then I'm getting lower expected points from that player.

"I think the player whose ADP is 1.06 will score 50 more fantasy points in 2024 than the player whose ADP is 1.01, so I should pick the 1.01 ADP player and score 50 less points this season so my opponents don't gain "draft value"?

I don't know about you but I don't get extra points in my league for "I drafted this player for less than his expected ADP cost." I get points for the actual yards gained, touchdowns scored, and other stuff. There's no scoring category for "this guy had a 3rd round ADP, but I drafted him in the 7th round" that gives me fantasy points.
 
I think a trap a lot of people fall into is not understanding what Average means when considering Average Draft Position. Knowing the range is probably more important than knowing the Average.
.....or worrying about either. I don't think that is as important as some want to think it is.
Totally depends on what type of league you are playing in.
How does what kind of league you're in matter if you choose not to pay attention to ADP?
If it's part of a larger contest like the FBG league, if you take Marvin Harrison in the mid first (because you project him at WR2 overall) rather than mid second, you basically traded your first round pick for a second round pick to every other Harrison owner. Trading your first round pick for a second isn't a winning strategy.

If you are in a league of skilled owners, even if you're 3% better at talent evaluation then the rest, if you're giving up that advantage burning up draft capital.

If you are in a league with your kids and their girlfriends, then you can afford to plant your flags whenever you want because your talent evaluation skills will overcome burning up draft capital and ADP won't mean much anyway.
I don't give a hill of beans about ADP. I choose players because of my knowledge of them and how I perceive them mentally. If that is ranking mentally, so be it.
People are entitled to play however they want. You might enjoy shooting 2pt jumpers or be the best 2pt shooter in the hood, but you are leaving points on the table by not stepping back to the 3pt range.
You funny guy.
 
Every one of those owners getting Hall at 1.6 have access to better talent at 2.7 than the Hall owner with a 2.12 pick.

This isn't true in reality. Those other Hall owners are in a completely different draft and likely have a completely different talent pool to choose from because the drafts are different and that pool may or may not be "better". Plus nobody knows who is better at that point so it's a random assessment.

I would also say that the talent difference between 2.07 and 2.12 is negligible and part of a range that is likely equivalent. While theoretically there could be an incremental improvement the reality of it is there isn't any difference in the grand scheme of things.
 
Every one of those owners getting Hall at 1.6 have access to better talent at 2.7 than the Hall owner with a 2.12 pick.

This isn't true in reality. Those other Hall owners are in a completely different draft and likely have a completely different talent pool to choose from because the drafts are different and that pool may or may not be "better". Plus nobody knows who is better at that point so it's a random assessment.

I would also say that the talent difference between 2.07 and 2.12 is negligible and part of a range that is likely equivalent. While theoretically there could be an incremental improvement the reality of it is there isn't any difference in the grand scheme of things.
I was in a draft where someone took Hall at #1. kind of surprised a few people but any top 5 pick should go #1 at least sometimes. and most people consider him to be top 5
 
Every one of those owners getting Hall at 1.6 have access to better talent at 2.7 than the Hall owner with a 2.12 pick.

This isn't true in reality. Those other Hall owners are in a completely different draft and likely have a completely different talent pool to choose from because the drafts are different and that pool may or may not be "better". Plus nobody knows who is better at that point so it's a random assessment.

I would also say that the talent difference between 2.07 and 2.12 is negligible and part of a range that is likely equivalent. While theoretically there could be an incremental improvement the reality of it is there isn't any difference in the grand scheme of things.
Totally disagree. Don't have the time to flesh it out.
 
I'll have to re-read it because it's been awhile. I think what it means is that if you took all the finishes of the QB1 over the ten years that they would be higher than the QB2 which would be higher than the QB3, etc. Over any specific year it will fluctuate.
If this is the case then ADP is irrelevant to those tables because they are based on after the fact numbers.

That was my point from the beginning. ADP would matter more if people drafted perfectly but that doesn't happen.
ADP 1- 4, 8, 1, 4, 10 = 5.4
ADP 2 - 1, 15, 4, 3, 9 = 6.4
ADP 3 - 7, 20, 1, 8, 3 = 7.8

3 ADP positions and their actual finishing position over 5 years. In any given year the end result looks random, over time it reflects the ADP. The early the masses draft a player the more likely the outcome will be better. If you draft to maximize ADP value, over time your results will be better than the average.

Going back to an actual example from today. 72 teams in this league so there are 6 copies of every player. One guy took Breece at 1.1. The other two copies available today went at #3 and #6. The guy who took Breece at 1 spotted the guy at 6 302 draft points. How much value is that? 1.1 and 4.7 = 1.6 and 2.12. He has basically spotted anyone getting Hall at 1.6 or later a 2.12 for a 4.7. So now not only does his flag plant on Hall have to be right, he has to find an early 3rd round talent with his 4.12 pick just to be on par.

I think you're completely wrong to look at it this way. I think you're overstating the difference if you picked Breece Hall at 1.01 when his ADP was 1.06. If it's redraft, you both got Hall with your 1st round pick so there's no "draft value" gained or lost. You're not "spotting" the guy who took Hall at 1.6 ANY draft value. Plus I've not yet been in a redraft league where you can trade picks, so "trade down and accumulate draft capital" is moot.

If you're in a different league structure that does allow trading picks, then you both have to (A) find a trade partner and (B) actually get Hall with the pick you traded down into - you aren't guaranteed to get Hall in the trade down scenario. If you don't, then you're comparing "value of Hall at 1.01" vs. "value of whoever you got (who wasn't Hall) at the tradedown spot + who you get with the extra draft picks for making the trade."

Most of my small leagues allow trading draft picks. But let’s focus on the large leagues where there are hundreds of Breece owners. Every one of those owners getting Hall at 1.6 have access to better talent at 2.7 than the Hall owner with a 2.12 pick. Now you not only have to be right on Hall to beat the non Hall owners, you have to do better at your 2.12 than all the guys at 2.7. Studies say your odds are slim.

Note that in the types of contests above this more so applies to middle rounds when in theory you should have multiple options to chose from. The most successful owners will have several plant your flag guys and be able to pivot to the ones that are price appropriately

Let's presume you get randomly assigned your draft slot or otherwise can't trade it. If you think Hall is the #1 best pick in fantasy football, why would you not pick him with the 1.01 draft slot?

The entire premise of this thought experiment is "I think Hall is the best possible pick in the draft." If I have the 1.01 draft pick, why would I not pick him at 1.01 just because his ADP is 1.06? If instead I pick someone else other than Hall whose ADP is higher, then I'm getting lower expected points from that player.

"I think the player whose ADP is 1.06 will score 50 more fantasy points in 2024 than the player whose ADP is 1.01, so I should pick the 1.01 ADP player and score 50 less points this season so my opponents don't gain "draft value"?

I don't know about you but I don't get extra points in my league for "I drafted this player for less than his expected ADP cost." I get points for the actual yards gained, touchdowns scored, and other stuff. There's no scoring category for "this guy had a 3rd round ADP, but I drafted him in the 7th round" that gives me fantasy points.
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I'll have to re-read it because it's been awhile. I think what it means is that if you took all the finishes of the QB1 over the ten years that they would be higher than the QB2 which would be higher than the QB3, etc. Over any specific year it will fluctuate.
If this is the case then ADP is irrelevant to those tables because they are based on after the fact numbers.

That was my point from the beginning. ADP would matter more if people drafted perfectly but that doesn't happen.
ADP 1- 4, 8, 1, 4, 10 = 5.4
ADP 2 - 1, 15, 4, 3, 9 = 6.4
ADP 3 - 7, 20, 1, 8, 3 = 7.8

3 ADP positions and their actual finishing position over 5 years. In any given year the end result looks random, over time it reflects the ADP. The early the masses draft a player the more likely the outcome will be better. If you draft to maximize ADP value, over time your results will be better than the average.

Going back to an actual example from today. 72 teams in this league so there are 6 copies of every player. One guy took Breece at 1.1. The other two copies available today went at #3 and #6. The guy who took Breece at 1 spotted the guy at 6 302 draft points. How much value is that? 1.1 and 4.7 = 1.6 and 2.12. He has basically spotted anyone getting Hall at 1.6 or later a 2.12 for a 4.7. So now not only does his flag plant on Hall have to be right, he has to find an early 3rd round talent with his 4.12 pick just to be on par.

I think you're completely wrong to look at it this way. I think you're overstating the difference if you picked Breece Hall at 1.01 when his ADP was 1.06. If it's redraft, you both got Hall with your 1st round pick so there's no "draft value" gained or lost. You're not "spotting" the guy who took Hall at 1.6 ANY draft value. Plus I've not yet been in a redraft league where you can trade picks, so "trade down and accumulate draft capital" is moot.

If you're in a different league structure that does allow trading picks, then you both have to (A) find a trade partner and (B) actually get Hall with the pick you traded down into - you aren't guaranteed to get Hall in the trade down scenario. If you don't, then you're comparing "value of Hall at 1.01" vs. "value of whoever you got (who wasn't Hall) at the tradedown spot + who you get with the extra draft picks for making the trade."

Most of my small leagues allow trading draft picks. But let’s focus on the large leagues where there are hundreds of Breece owners. Every one of those owners getting Hall at 1.6 have access to better talent at 2.7 than the Hall owner with a 2.12 pick. Now you not only have to be right on Hall to beat the non Hall owners, you have to do better at your 2.12 than all the guys at 2.7. Studies say your odds are slim.

Note that in the types of contests above this more so applies to middle rounds when in theory you should have multiple options to chose from. The most successful owners will have several plant your flag guys and be able to pivot to the ones that are price appropriately

Let's presume you get randomly assigned your draft slot or otherwise can't trade it. If you think Hall is the #1 best pick in fantasy football, why would you not pick him with the 1.01 draft slot?


The entire premise of this thought experiment is "I think Hall is the best possible pick in the draft." If I have the 1.01 draft pick, why would I not pick him at 1.01 just because his ADP is 1.06? If instead I pick someone else other than Hall whose ADP is higher, then I'm getting lower expected points from that player.

"I think the player whose ADP is 1.06 will score 50 more fantasy points in 2024 than the player whose ADP is 1.01, so I should pick the 1.01 ADP player and score 50 less points this season so my opponents don't gain "draft value"?

I don't know about you but I don't get extra points in my league for "I drafted this player for less than his expected ADP cost." I get points for the actual yards gained, touchdowns scored, and other stuff. There's no scoring category for "this guy had a 3rd round ADP, but I drafted him in the 7th round" that gives me fantasy points.
You are correct that you would take Hall. That said, history says that you thinking that in the first place is most likely wrong. You need to be very judicious with your flag plants. If you are good enough that your flag plants are correct a lot of the time, then you should quit your day job and play FF for a living.
 
I have another thread that correlates with this one and might help answer some questions


Cheers!
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I have another one for this topic:
Ya know how if you’re around a smell long enough, you can go “nose blind”? Where everyone else smells it, but you don’t because you’re around it a lot? I had friends who lived in Turlock, there were massive chicken farms.

In the heat of the summer, the town smelled something fierce. I went out to play poker with my friends and their friends and I asked, “how do you deal with this smell all summer” and they, to a man, said “after a while ya just don’t notice it any more.”

This is also applicable to drafting. Whether it’s a mock draft or a real one, it’s human nature to look for your targets in certain ranges of the draft, but ignore others. Through mocking, or tiering players up, it’s a natural tendency to (for example) be in the 2nd round, and look for the players you expect to be there.

And that might cause you to miss a player that shouldn't be there.

Like the NFFC draft I did on Wednesday. One of the “lessons learned” for me from last year was from going back to the draft board and asking myself why I picked X player when Y player was still on the board? And time and again it was because I was looking for a player at a position I expected to be there instead of taking a tick to sort through the positions to see if there was someone unexpected.

It seems like a very obvious thing to do, and honestly I felt a little simple-minded to have overlooked it.

Back in the day I drafted with paper. I’d spend days creating my binder with color-coded tabs by position, and would cross off names each pick. Then at my turn I’d check every position page in my binder. So this isn’t a new practice for me, rather one that technology sort of defeated. Using software to draft, and software to track picks, it’s easier to forget this simple round by round exercise.

In this example I was fully planning on going WR1 ~> WR2, for weeks. I mocked that way heavily. And just before the draft I looked down at my notepad, where I’d written “check every position”.

After round 1 I did just that, and Gibbs was sitting there at 2.06, long past where he should have been.

I strikes me that the 5 teams picking before me in the 2nd may have had a preconceived target, and simply not looked at RB. It was 2 RB (Barkley/Henry) 2 WR and a TE.

So yeah - not sure what you’d call that. Confirmation bias? Probably that.

So my simple trick to winning your draft is be open minded and diligent. Check every position every round and be willing to change from your predetermined plan. Getting your targets is great. But getting your target who fell 1/2 a round late is even better.
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Insomniac, out.
 
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I have another one for this topic:
Ya know how if you’re around a smell long enough, you can go “nose blind”? Where everyone else smells it, but you don’t because you’re around it a lot? I had friends who lived in Turlock, there were massive chicken farms.

In the heat of the summer, the town smelled something fierce. I went out to play poker with my friends and their friends and I asked, “how do you deal with this smell all summer” and they, to a man, said “after a while ya just don’t notice it any more.”

This is also applicable to drafting. Whether it’s a mock draft or a real one, it’s human nature to look for your targets in certain ranges of the draft, but ignore others. Through mocking, or tiering players up, it’s a natural tendency to (for example) be in the 2nd round, and look for the players you expect to be there.

And that might cause you to miss a player that shouldn't be there.

Like the NFFC draft I did on Wednesday. One of the “lessons learned” for me from last year was from going back to the draft board and asking myself why I picked X player when Y player was still on the board? And time and again it was because I was looking for a player at a position I expected to be there instead of taking a tick to sort through the positions to see if there was someone unexpected.

It seems like a very obvious thing to do, and honestly I felt a little simple-minded to have overlooked it.

Back in the day I drafted with paper. I’d spend days creating my binder with color-coded tabs by position, and would cross off names each pick. Then at my turn I’d check every position page in my binder. So this isn’t a new practice for me, rather one that technology sort of defeated. Using software to draft, and software to track picks, it’s easier to forget this simple round by round exercise.

In this example I was fully planning on going WR1 ~> WR2, for weeks. I mocked that way heavily. And just before the draft I looked down at my notepad, where I’d written “check every position”.

After round 1 I did just that, and Gibbs was sitting there, long past where he should have been.

I strikes me that the 5 teams picking before me in the 2nd may have had a preconceived target, and simply not looked at RB. It was 4 WR and a TE.

So yeah - not sure what you’d call that. Confirmation bias? Probably that.

So my simple trick to winning your draft is be open minded and diligent. Check every position every round and be willing to change from your predetermined plan. Getting your targets is great. But getting your target who fell 1/2 a round late is even better.
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Insomniac, out.
I still use paper -- but I don't do NFFC or anything like that which has a site portal to draft/auction from. I have a redraft that's in person and an auction league where we bid in a Microsoft Teams chat window. And I look at my papers for every position as often as possible. I don't think that would work as well with a site portal.
 
I still use paper -- but I don't do NFFC or anything like that which has a site portal to draft/auction from. I have a redraft that's in person and an auction league where we bid in a Microsoft Teams chat window. And I look at my papers for every position as often as possible. I don't think that would work as well with a site portal.
I draft my home league 7 days from today. People from 4 states & 11 counties coming to town.

Stickers on a board. Pony keg. Gonna be fun.

I’ll be using draft software. I retired the old pen & binder years ago. I’m never going back.
 
Drinking too much.
This one got me last year.

But to be fair (to be faaaaaaaaair) it was because The FBG draft Dominator didn’t correctly identify how my CBS league had edge DE vs LB. Spending a 7th on Micah Parsons makes a lot of sense when he’s a DE. When he’s a LB he’s a 15th round pick. Unfortunately I didn’t catch it until the sticker was on the board.

I’m very much hoping that’s fixed this year, but it does lead back to this topic:

If you play IDP, always check to see what position your host site has a player listed as. Don’t trust draft software unless you’re positive it’s accurate.
When MFL shuffled their DL/LB slots last year, I was suddenly the proud owner of 8 DL. :mellow: still took will anderson 😂
 
When MFL shuffled their DL/LB slots last year, I was suddenly the proud owner of 8 DL. :mellow: still took will anderson 😂
Yeah, I had 2 LB turn into DL in one 16-team league in that cluster. That sucked. Had to mad scramble to deal for LB or I wouldn’t have been able to field a lineup.
 
One more for this topic, and it’s one I learned 20 years ago, and still marvel that people don’t do in every level of draft from my home league to high stakes.

When you’re sitting at 2-3-4-5-6 position, or 7-8-9-10-11 position, and headed for the turn, look at the needs of the teams ahead of you.

Not in the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd round. Those are BPA, follow your plan, etc.

But as you get deeper into the draft - for example, if it’s not TE-P
if you’re planning on taking a good TE…
and you’re drafting in the 5th position
& teams 1, 2, & 4 all took elite TE early
and it’s coming back towards 1 in the 4th round (or 5th with 3RR)
And there are 3 TE you like left to choose from
do not, and I repeat, DO NOT, take a TE in that round, because 99% likely you’ll get (at least 1 of) your guy(s) on the way back.

Same applies to QB. If you take a QB late, or you’re looking at a 3rd tier QB, and you’re sitting at 7 position, and teams 8-10-12 all have their QB1, and there are 3 QB you have in the same tier, DO NOT take a QB on the way to the turn. Your guy will be there on the way back.


It is very rare that any team is going TE-TE in the early rounds outside of TE-P format, and equally rare in single QB leagues that any team is going to go QB-QB or take 2 in the 1st 5 rounds.

There are always exceptions, but as a general rule, all you’re doing by not paying attention to the turns is giving away value at WR & RB to the teams after and then before you, and hurting yourself in the process.

I do this exercise just about every round past the 3rd. It doesn’t take but a second. You won’t always be right. But it applies to WR & RB as well.

if you have 2 players you like, with roughly equal drop-off to the next tier use this as a tiebreaker. You’re sitting at the 11th position and team 12 started RB-RB, and your plan is to take a RB and a WR? Take the WR 1st. Or if team 12 started WR-WR and there’s a RB & 2 WR you like? Take the RB.

Again, it’s not foolproof. Sometimes a team will throw you a curveball.

But it does work often enough that it’s worth considering. Especially with the QB, and to slightly lesser extent TE, and especially in 1 QB & non-TE-P formats.

ETA: I watched a team in my last NFFC rotowire online championship fail at this 2x They were team 4. Once when picking a TE in the 5th (on the way back) when teams 1-3 all had TE, then again in the 7th taking a QB on the way back when teams 1-3 all had QB.

He took a WR on the way back in the 6th and a RB on the way back in the 8th. Both turns saw runs at those positions, costing him tiers of drop-off. Real world example. I yelled at the screen both times. lol
 
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Rookies Rookies and more Rookies

-Look at ARich in '23 and JJ McCarthy already in 2024, maybe Richardson truly needed the rest of the season and JJ too but it seems like rookies and especially at QB, a hang nail and they are OUT that week, a little bruise or sore this n that, maybe a month or more. In fact let's err on the side of caution and just shut it down for the rest of the year.

I wold extend this out to Wide Receivers and Running Backs, look how cautious they were with Bijan last season.
I would be cautious about loading up on Rookies, especially if you play in Dynasty, you got more info on all the rookies than most of your Redraft GMs combined so CYE

Daniels and Williams are being taken as starter options in Redraft at QB11 and QB12 off the board.
Harrison in the early Mid 2nd Round
Not many rookie RBs being taken as anything more than RB3 this year.
I don't find a lot of Championship rosters loaded with Rookies most years in Redraft,
 
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Not many rookie RBs being taken as anything more than RB3 this year.
It's a very weak RB class. The best prospect is Brooks, who is hurt. We might see a different pattern in future years.
I do like Benson despite Conner having 1,200/9TD last year, he's 29 and been in the NFL a long time by RB standards
Conner gets between 180-200 carries yer season only played in 13 games '22 and '23
Benson is going to have some weeks where he gets the start, I like his upside and have been scooping him up as an RB4 type
If he does well when he gets some touches, that would lead to a few more.
His ability to pick up the blitz or pass block for Murray at QB will be essential to any snaps they give him.
 
I have another one for this topic:
Ya know how if you’re around a smell long enough, you can go “nose blind”? Where everyone else smells it, but you don’t because you’re around it a lot? I had friends who lived in Turlock, there were massive chicken farms.

In the heat of the summer, the town smelled something fierce. I went out to play poker with my friends and their friends and I asked, “how do you deal with this smell all summer” and they, to a man, said “after a while ya just don’t notice it any more.”

This is also applicable to drafting. Whether it’s a mock draft or a real one, it’s human nature to look for your targets in certain ranges of the draft, but ignore others. Through mocking, or tiering players up, it’s a natural tendency to (for example) be in the 2nd round, and look for the players you expect to be there.

And that might cause you to miss a player that shouldn't be there.

Like the NFFC draft I did on Wednesday. One of the “lessons learned” for me from last year was from going back to the draft board and asking myself why I picked X player when Y player was still on the board? And time and again it was because I was looking for a player at a position I expected to be there instead of taking a tick to sort through the positions to see if there was someone unexpected.

It seems like a very obvious thing to do, and honestly I felt a little simple-minded to have overlooked it.

Back in the day I drafted with paper. I’d spend days creating my binder with color-coded tabs by position, and would cross off names each pick. Then at my turn I’d check every position page in my binder. So this isn’t a new practice for me, rather one that technology sort of defeated. Using software to draft, and software to track picks, it’s easier to forget this simple round by round exercise.

In this example I was fully planning on going WR1 ~> WR2, for weeks. I mocked that way heavily. And just before the draft I looked down at my notepad, where I’d written “check every position”.

After round 1 I did just that, and Gibbs was sitting there at 2.06, long past where he should have been.

I strikes me that the 5 teams picking before me in the 2nd may have had a preconceived target, and simply not looked at RB. It was 2 RB (Barkley/Henry) 2 WR and a TE.

So yeah - not sure what you’d call that. Confirmation bias? Probably that.

So my simple trick to winning your draft is be open minded and diligent. Check every position every round and be willing to change from your predetermined plan. Getting your targets is great. But getting your target who fell 1/2 a round late is even better.
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Insomniac, out.
In my family league Olave dropped 2-3 rounds later than he should have. No one wanted a piece of the NO offense. My son "broke down" and drafted him.
 

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