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Broncos Hire John Fox (1 Viewer)

Just to be clear, we're talking about the same John Fox that once punted on 4th and 7 while trailing by four with 2:37 left in the game and 1 timeout, correct?

:lmao: , that guy.

 
end of an era.

I will be surprised if any of Manning/Fox/JDR are back next year. too many missed opps over the past 3 years.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
When Manning is scoring at will it's cause he's awesome. When he loses it must be the coach...

The coach had nothing to do with how awful Manning was tonight.
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Ghost Rider said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
The coach had nothing to do with how awful Manning was tonight.
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I agree, but Fox's flaws as a head coach have been on display for years. From his gutlessness at the end of regulation in the Baltimore playoff game two years ago, to not having the team ready to play in last year's Super Bowl, Fox's coaching is maddening. I always liked him when he was in Carolina, but as a Broncos fan, I want him gone. Immediately.
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I'm not a Broncos fan and want him gone. Please give somebody new a chance. He's simply not a good coach unless he has a vastly superior team than his opponent and even then he may find a way to lose.

 
I could have saved you three years and untold millions in free agent signings Mr. Elway.

 
SSOG said:
'The Comedian said:
'SSOG said:
I'm absolutely thrilled to have John Fox as our head coach. He's a fantastic coach, and the job he's done on this team in two years is remarkable. It's easy to play armchair coach, but none of his decisions were indefensible, or clearly wrong. On the whole, he certainly played a very conservative game, but what do you expect? The reality is that he is who he is, and who he is got Denver from 4-12 to 13-3. You want an aggressive coach? We had one before- he's how we wound up at 4-12. We had one before that, too- his tenure came to an end because of blown leads and historic collapses. Sure, I wish I could transfuse some of Shanahan's chutzpah into Fox's otherwise unflappable calm, but I can't do that- you have to take the whole package or leave it, and I take it. No questions whatsoever. You want to start pointing fingers for today's game, start with Von Miller, Elvis Dumervil, or Derrick Wolfe. Maybe JDR. Where was that league-leading pass rush today? The best defense against the deep ball is to not give the opposing QB all day to throw the deep ball. Even a modicum of pressure, and Denver wins it going away, and nobody's here questioning his decision to try a 52 yard field goal instead of a 7 yard 4th down conversion.
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Uhhh not trying to win the game in this situation is indefensible. A lot is being made of the kneeling, which I agree was pretty bad, but I thought the far worse mistake was the previous possession. The Broncos get the ball with like 3:30 left after BAL failes to convert the 4th, and they made pretty much no attempt to close the game down. Run, run, run, right up the middle, mostly. They got a first down from two runs, which is great. Then run on 1st and 2nd down, fine. Then it was what, 3rd and 6 or 7, with like 1:20 left, BAl with zero time outs, and they have a choice - risk the 40 seconds to win the game. Put the ball in Peyton Manning's hands, and let him throw a pass to win the game. Literally, game is OVER if one of the best of all time can complete a pass for a first down. Instead, yep, dive up the middle. Ravens get the ball with like 1:20 left, and they leave 40 seconds on the clock after scoring the tying TD, lol.Sorry, but there was plenty that was indefensible. Fox cost them this game. I thought Manning was great, personally. The lack of a pass rush was also bad, but at some point you need to adjust, bring an extra rusher. I think DN rushed 4 the whole game, despite it not generating any rush, and Flacco having plenty of time to chuck these 60 yard bombs. Badly, badly coached game.
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Yes, there were other decisions that would have improved his team's chances of winning. Fox came up in a different era, an era where coaching rules were passed down from the heavens and considered inviolable. Taking a knee at the end of each half results in a lower chance for your team to win... but the world he grew up in said that's what you do, and he's far too old to let things like statistical analysis change his mind now. That's going to be a weakness of his for the rest of his career. That's also maybe 5% of the coaching job. A guy can be terrible there, and still be a phenomenal coach. It's the most visible 5%, so most fans want to can the guys who are terrible at that 5% and great at the other 95% in favor of a guy who is mediocre at the 95% but great at the 5%. And even then, most fans are too focused on outcomes, so they crucify even the guys who get the 5% right (witness Belichick when he went for it on 4th vs. Indy two years ago). I question how much of the calling runs falls on Fox and how much falls on Manning. The 3rd and 5 run was ludicrous, but iirc, Manning audibled into that one- hard to pin it on Fox. The constant runs at the end of the game were maddening, but Manning could have audibled out at any time, and those runs DID leave Baltimore 70 yards from the end zone with 40 seconds and no timeouts, a situation where they have less than 5% chance of winning. And, again, all of this is such a small percentage of a head coach's job. Bill Cowher was a guy who always had people calling for his head because he was too conservative and stuck in his ways. Tony Dungy got fired because Tampa was convinced he was too conservative to ever win the SB. Would I prefer John Harbaugh or Bill Belichick to Fox? Yeah, but those guys aren't available. I'd prefer Fox to any other realistically available coaching candidate out there, with the exception of Chip Kelly or Bill Cowher. Otherwise, I'd rather stick with Fox, who is a pretty darn good coach, and someone Denver can easily win with.
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:lmao: :lmao:

 
BassNBrew said:
Jason Wood said:
Lot of disgruntled Panthers fans in here, not that I blame you. Truth is, Fox hasn't shown himself to be an awesome coach, but I think he's shown himself to be a good coach. There's aren't many great coaches in the league. I also think a head coach is only as good as his assistants and his personnel department. Will Elway be good? Who knows, but he's a major factor in whether Fox has success. And who will be coordinating? Early word is that Jim Mora is a top choice for DC and they'll keep McCoy at OC.
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Disgruntled would be booing Santa or vandalizing cars. Pointing out attrocious coaches challenges or pathetic clock management would be called being objective.
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:lmao:

This thread is golden, btw. Too many posts to bump, but BassNBrew in particular, nails it all along. While SSOG goes to the mat and beyond for Grandpa.

 
Chicago fans are mostly excited about "landing" John Fox. John Fox to go along with Jay Cutler. Think about that a minute. Grampa and spoiled brat go fishing together. Actually, I can't wait to see it. It's like cars going down a hill that are about to hit black ice...everyone but the passengers know what's coming.

 
I guess I'm in the minority amongst Bear fans who are not into this hire. I mean on one hand his hiring does give instant credibility. And I do think he will make them tougher, mentally and especially physically. They got extremely soft under Trestman.

But on the other hand, he's getting old and has had health problems. He is downgrading in talent so much, especially at the most important positions. The Bears have nothing at QB, and their only pass rusher had a bad late season injury. So I'm thinking Fox gives us 3 years, and just have to hope he hands the team off to the next coach in better shape than he got it. HOW EXCITING

I want no part of Gase and Allen. Neither did anything impressive coordinating under him. Allen was one year I think and the D was meh. And Gase was basically riding Mannings coattails.

 
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Put me down for the Bears being better over the next three years than they were for the last three, and the Broncos being worse.

 
Catbird said:
Put me down for the Bears being better over the next three years than they were for the last three, and the Broncos being worse.
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:lol:

Considering Peyton Manning will be 39, meaning even if he does come back for one more year, it's hard to say how great he will still be, that's quite a limb you are going out on there.

 
fortes value is catching the ball. does fox utilize rbs in that fashion? i highly doubt he uses forte as much as previous oc martz and trestman. forte is gonna fall to like 50 catches and drastically reduce his value.

 
does Fox have say

cvnpoka said:
fortes value is catching the ball. does fox utilize rbs in that fashion? i highly doubt he uses forte as much as previous oc martz and trestman. forte is gonna fall to like 50 catches and drastically reduce his value.
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probably depends more on the OC.

not sure Fox has much to do with gameplanning other than clapping, making sure to punt in favorable field position regardless of game situation, kneeling if there is less than 2 minutes on the clock, and kicking FG from inside the 1.

 
Buffaloes said:
does Fox have say

cvnpoka said:
fortes value is catching the ball. does fox utilize rbs in that fashion? i highly doubt he uses forte as much as previous oc martz and trestman. forte is gonna fall to like 50 catches and drastically reduce his value.
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probably depends more on the OC.

not sure Fox has much to do with gameplanning other than clapping, making sure to punt in favorable field position regardless of game situation, kneeling if there is less than 2 minutes on the clock, and kicking FG from inside the 1.
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all of this, plus Fox is a defensive coach. He's conservative by nature, but he is capable of playing to the strength of his team. He's a pragmatic guy - he will cater to the strength of his team.

After all, was head coach for the team that set NFL records for passing yards and passing TD's in a season.

 
RBM said:
I guess I'm in the minority amongst Bear fans who are not into this hire. I mean on one hand his hiring does give instant credibility. And I do think he will make them tougher, mentally and especially physically. They got extremely soft under Trestman.

But on the other hand, he's getting old and has had health problems. He is downgrading in talent so much, especially at the most important positions. The Bears have nothing at QB, and their only pass rusher had a bad late season injury. So I'm thinking Fox gives us 3 years, and just have to hope he hands the team off to the next coach in better shape than he got it. HOW EXCITING

I want no part of Gase and Allen. Neither did anything impressive coordinating under him. Allen was one year I think and the D was meh. And Gase was basically riding Mannings coattails.
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BRO!!!
 
flapgreen said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
This guy sucks, the whole world knows it, whoa to the next team who hires him
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Going pretty well so far. Thanks, Elway!
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LOL, Bears fans are a funny group. Two weeks ago you guys were talking about having no talent and angling for the number one pick. A win against a horrible SD team and an admittedly strong performance against the Rams and now you guys are talking about the playoffs. I really isn't going that well. And it wasn't that bad before that.

 
RBM said:
I guess I'm in the minority amongst Bear fans who are not into this hire. I mean on one hand his hiring does give instant credibility. And I do think he will make them tougher, mentally and especially physically. They got extremely soft under Trestman.

But on the other hand, he's getting old and has had health problems. He is downgrading in talent so much, especially at the most important positions. The Bears have nothing at QB, and their only pass rusher had a bad late season injury. So I'm thinking Fox gives us 3 years, and just have to hope he hands the team off to the next coach in better shape than he got it. HOW EXCITING

I want no part of Gase and Allen. Neither did anything impressive coordinating under him. Allen was one year I think and the D was meh. And Gase was basically riding Mannings coattails.
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Didn't like it then but it's been even worse than I had expected. 

 
BassNBrew said:
LOL, Bears fans are a funny group. Two weeks ago you guys were talking about having no talent and angling for the number one pick. A win against a horrible SD team and an admittedly strong performance against the Rams and now you guys are talking about the playoffs. I really isn't going that well. And it wasn't that bad before that.
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Egg on my face

 
What have I missed?  Fox played Trubisky in a meaningless preseason game, but I fail to see why that is so bad?

 
BassNBrew said:
Jason Wood said:
Jason Wood said:
Lot of disgruntled Panthers fans in here, not that I blame you. Truth is, Fox hasn't shown himself to be an awesome coach, but I think he's shown himself to be a good coach. There's aren't many great coaches in the league. I also think a head coach is only as good as his assistants and his personnel department. Will Elway be good? Who knows, but he's a major factor in whether Fox has success. And who will be coordinating? Early word is that Jim Mora is a top choice for DC and they'll keep McCoy at OC.
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Disgruntled would be booing Santa or vandalizing cars. Pointing out attrocious coaches challenges or pathetic clock management would be called being objective.
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Add Broncos and Bears fans to the disgruntled list.

 
A man of integrity here, folks. 

John Fox on questions about his job security: “Frankly, I don’t give a rip.”

 
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