Broncos' Plummer cited in road-rage incident (1 Viewer)

[Maurile Tremblay]

Broncos' Plummer cited in alleged road-rage incident

Associated Press

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Denver Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer has been issued a summons for an alleged road-rage incident in April, Englewood police said Tuesday.

Investigator John Hoehler said Plummer was issued the misdemeanor summons Friday, after being contacted at his home in Cherry Hills Village.

The summons stems from a minor crash on April 20 in this suburb south of Denver.

A message left for Plummer through the Broncos was not immediately returned Tuesday night.

A man told authorities he was involved in a road-rage incident with the driver of a Honda. When the two cars stopped at a red light, the Honda's driver got out and kicked the front of the man's vehicle.

The driver then got back into his vehicle, put it in reverse and hit the front of the man's car, Hoehler said. A witness copied the license plate number of the gray :Honda:, which was listed to Plummer.

When contacted by police, Plummer said he was involved in a rear-end crash, not road rage.

"He went out and looked and didn't see any damage so he didn't report it," Hoehler said.

After he left the scene he told investigators he changed his mind and called 911 to report the accident and said he was told it would be taken care of.

Hoehler said there was a delay in issuing the summons because the officer in charge of the case was busy and didn't get a chance to pursue the case until recently.

No specific court date for Plummer has been given.

 

[Wadsworth]

This just in...

"The witness, who only identified himself as "Jay", said whoever the driver of the Honda was looked to be under the influence of drugs and had a much weaker arm than himself."

 

[videoguy505]

Plummer drives a Honda? Next thing you know Axl Rose will lose a fight to a fashion designer.

 

[BRONG]

He drives a HONDA?!

 

[Ozymandias]

That's all we need. Now Shanny will start playing games about QBBC.

 

[P Boy]

Confirmed by sports radio shows this AM in DEN.

Per eye witness accounts & statements made by the other guy involved, apparently In April the guy was tailgating Plummer and starting making obscene gestures - BTW, he did not know it was Plummer until well after the incident was over. He knew Plummer by sight, but Plummer is apprently clean shaven so the guy didn't recognize him - and yelling at Plummer. Plummer apparently stopped his gray Honda Accord, got out, and kicked the front of the other guy's car, then got back into his Honda & backed into the guy, trying to push him backward for a short time. Then he & the guy took off with no on-site report. Witnesses who were not involved directly turned in the incident. Plummer is charged with damaging property.

Plummer's only public statement regarding this is that he doesn't recall the incident as happening as described above.

At least those are the reports on several stations this AM.

 

[helix]

Maybe he found out the Shanny was looking to get Cutler. Nothing like getting notice that you will be replaced/fired to set someone off.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Somehow I think that Brian Griese's dog was responsible.

 

[Bad_Mo]

He drives a HONDA?!

I wonder if he was pointing to his shirt too???HAR HAR HAR

This confirms my thinking of Plummer as being not so bright. Why would you get out of your car and kick the other guy's car? The other guy could have driven over him, shot him or rolled down his window and forced him to listen to John Denver's greatest hits. :X

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Just came off the AP wire..........per our blogger

May 24, 2006, 15:04

Broncos :: QB

QB Plummer Denies Charges

Arnie Stapleton, The Associated Press, via the Denver Post - [Full Article]

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer insists he's not a hothead and denies backing into another motorist's vehicle in am April road rage incident. Plummer said today the other driver bumped his tailgate at a red light in south suburban Denver after zipping through traffic on April 20.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3860134

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just came off the AP wire..........per our blogger

May 24, 2006, 15:04

Broncos :: QB

QB Plummer Denies Charges

Arnie Stapleton, The Associated Press, via the Denver Post - [Full Article]

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer insists he's not a hothead and denies backing into another motorist's vehicle in am April road rage incident. Plummer said today the other driver bumped his tailgate at a red light in south suburban Denver after zipping through traffic on April 20.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3860134

Good work Kevin J

 

[JAA]

Plummer drives a Honda?

 

[thesurfshop19]

$200-300 damage to Plummer's car, $25 to the other guy's, and Plummer is summoned for damaging someone else's property. Not bad! (Yes, I know, legally if Plummer really did this, blah blah blah ....)

 

[P Boy]

Just came off the AP wire..........per our blogger

May 24, 2006, 15:04

Broncos :: QB

QB Plummer Denies Charges

Arnie Stapleton, The Associated Press, via the Denver Post - [Full Article]

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer insists he's not a hothead and denies backing into another motorist's vehicle in am April road rage incident. Plummer said today the other driver bumped his tailgate at a red light in south suburban Denver after zipping through traffic on April 20.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3860134

Actually, I heard Plummer's entire interview regarding this. Plummer's recollection of events:He (Plummer) was talking on a cell phone & not paying as close attention to the road as he should have. He accidently cut off the other guy, to whom he immediatly waved as an acknowledgement of what he did and as an apology. The other guy started yelling and gesturing at Plummer, and came up & bumped Plummer's car. Both got out, saw there was little to no damage to both cars, and eventually went on their own ways.

I also heard an interview of the other guy, and he asserts that he wishes the situation would be removed from being under the microscope, and that there was really very little that occurred & he wants it all to just get dropped - it's over & done with.

FYI. Sounds like much ado about a very minor & negligible incident.

 

[Buttmonkey]

Plummer picked up a brick, scrambled to his right and let it fly towards the guy's car. He overthrew his target - go figure Luckily for the guy it wasn't Manning or Brady throwing them.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Just came off the AP wire..........per our blogger

May 24, 2006, 15:04

Broncos :: QB

QB Plummer Denies Charges

Arnie Stapleton, The Associated Press, via the Denver Post - [Full Article]

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer insists he's not a hothead and denies backing into another motorist's vehicle in am April road rage incident. Plummer said today the other driver bumped his tailgate at a red light in south suburban Denver after zipping through traffic on April 20.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3860134

Actually, I heard Plummer's entire interview regarding this. Plummer's recollection of events:He (Plummer) was talking on a cell phone & not paying as close attention to the road as he should have. He accidently cut off the other guy, to whom he immediatly waved as an acknowledgement of what he did and as an apology. The other guy started yelling and gesturing at Plummer, and came up & bumped Plummer's car. Both got out, saw there was little to no damage to both cars, and eventually went on their own ways.

I also heard an interview of the other guy, and he asserts that he wishes the situation would be removed from being under the microscope, and that there was really very little that occurred & he wants it all to just get dropped - it's over & done with.

FYI. Sounds like much ado about a very minor & negligible incident.

I heard the other guys interview as well and found him level headed and credible. The other motorist is also supported by an independant witness, a female who saw the incident and circled back to give her name to the victim and the cops. Her version is that Plummer instigated the incident through very poor driving. When the other driver honked at Plummer, Plummer got out while the other driver didn't. Plummer them kicked the other guys trucks grill, got back in his Honda Element, backed into the other guy and then tried to force him backward. After the fact Plummer has told varying version of the incident to 911 and to interviewing officers. He adjusted it again for the press conference. He is adjusting his truths as new evidence presents itself. Not good for his rep and a real embarassment for the Broncos. This story may yet have legs.

 

[Rich Eisen's Bro]

Honda Element

 

[thesurfshop19]

Not good for his rep and a real embarassment for the Broncos. This story may yet have legs.

I realize that bad news is bad news, but is a local driving incident over $25 in damage to guy #2's car (roughly 10% of the damage Plummer allegedly caused to his own car) really worth all this attention? Embarrassment?

 

[P Boy]

Just came off the AP wire..........per our blogger

May 24, 2006, 15:04

Broncos :: QB

QB Plummer Denies Charges

Arnie Stapleton, The Associated Press, via the Denver Post - [Full Article]

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer insists he's not a hothead and denies backing into another motorist's vehicle in am April road rage incident. Plummer said today the other driver bumped his tailgate at a red light in south suburban Denver after zipping through traffic on April 20.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3860134

Actually, I heard Plummer's entire interview regarding this. Plummer's recollection of events:He (Plummer) was talking on a cell phone & not paying as close attention to the road as he should have. He accidently cut off the other guy, to whom he immediatly waved as an acknowledgement of what he did and as an apology. The other guy started yelling and gesturing at Plummer, and came up & bumped Plummer's car. Both got out, saw there was little to no damage to both cars, and eventually went on their own ways.

I also heard an interview of the other guy, and he asserts that he wishes the situation would be removed from being under the microscope, and that there was really very little that occurred & he wants it all to just get dropped - it's over & done with.

FYI. Sounds like much ado about a very minor & negligible incident.

I heard the other guys interview as well and found him level headed and credible. The other motorist is also supported by an independant witness, a female who saw the incident and circled back to give her name to the victim and the cops. Her version is that Plummer instigated the incident through very poor driving. When the other driver honked at Plummer, Plummer got out while the other driver didn't. Plummer them kicked the other guys trucks grill, got back in his Honda Element, backed into the other guy and then tried to force him backward. After the fact Plummer has told varying version of the incident to 911 and to interviewing officers. He adjusted it again for the press conference. He is adjusting his truths as new evidence presents itself. Not good for his rep and a real embarassment for the Broncos. This story may yet have legs.

Yep - I saw that an independent witness has a story that lines up with the other guy. Plummer & his girlfriend have the same story. Both guys called 911 & gave their versions of the story, and the 911 calls are consistent with each guy's story right now, and both 911 calls were placed within 45 seconds of each other. I also saw that the extent of the damages was a broken license plate frame.

 

[T Man]

Just came off the AP wire..........per our blogger

May 24, 2006, 15:04

Broncos :: QB

QB Plummer Denies Charges

Arnie Stapleton, The Associated Press, via the Denver Post - [Full Article]

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer insists he's not a hothead and denies backing into another motorist's vehicle in am April road rage incident. Plummer said today the other driver bumped his tailgate at a red light in south suburban Denver after zipping through traffic on April 20.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3860134

Actually, I heard Plummer's entire interview regarding this. Plummer's recollection of events:He (Plummer) was talking on a cell phone & not paying as close attention to the road as he should have. He accidently cut off the other guy, to whom he immediatly waved as an acknowledgement of what he did and as an apology. The other guy started yelling and gesturing at Plummer, and came up & bumped Plummer's car. Both got out, saw there was little to no damage to both cars, and eventually went on their own ways.

I also heard an interview of the other guy, and he asserts that he wishes the situation would be removed from being under the microscope, and that there was really very little that occurred & he wants it all to just get dropped - it's over & done with.

FYI. Sounds like much ado about a very minor & negligible incident.

I heard the other guys interview as well and found him level headed and credible. The other motorist is also supported by an independant witness, a female who saw the incident and circled back to give her name to the victim and the cops. Her version is that Plummer instigated the incident through very poor driving. When the other driver honked at Plummer, Plummer got out while the other driver didn't. Plummer them kicked the other guys trucks grill, got back in his Honda Element, backed into the other guy and then tried to force him backward. After the fact Plummer has told varying version of the incident to 911 and to interviewing officers. He adjusted it again for the press conference. He is adjusting his truths as new evidence presents itself. Not good for his rep and a real embarassment for the Broncos. This story may yet have legs.

Yep - I saw that an independent witness has a story that lines up with the other guy. Plummer & his girlfriend have the same story. Both guys called 911 & gave their versions of the story, and the 911 calls are consistent with each guy's story right now, and both 911 calls were placed within 45 seconds of each other. I also saw that the extent of the damages was a broken license plate frame.

I would tend to lean toward the version given by the uninterested female. Interested parties sometimes tend to spin things their way. In this case, her story supports the other driver and not Plummer.With noone hurt, I expect this is much ado about nothing. 2 sets of Season tickets for the $45 license plate will make the guy clam up and the story goes away.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Not good for his rep and a real embarassment for the Broncos.  This story may yet have legs.

I realize that bad news is bad news, but is a local driving incident over $25 in damage to guy #2's car (roughly 10% of the damage Plummer allegedly caused to his own car) really worth all this attention? Embarrassment?

No, if it were a minor traffic accident, a fender bender so to speak, it would be worth no attention. In this case the allegation is that Plummer was road raging through traffic. When a driver he cut off laid on the horn Plummer got out of his vehicle, kicked the guys grill, got back in his vehicle, backed into the other vehicle and tried to push it backwards. He then left the scene. The other driver then pulled over to call the matter in. Upon seeing this Plummer called 911 to report, get this, nothing happened. Now I don't know about you, but when I have a commute were nothing happened I don't feel a need to call 911 to tell them that. One can draw two conclusions from this. Either Plummer is insane and likes to abuse the 911 system, or something happened and he is trying to get on record with a story that minimizes his involvement. The latter would suggest something did happen, he was at fault, and is trying to cover his ###.

The other driver pulls over and calls 911 to report the matter. His call does not complain of the damage, it only warns the police to look out for a road rager. That driver says he did not recognize the newly clean shaven and shorn Plummer (after the fact not even mentioned during the call) While he is waiting for the Police to arrive a third party, uninvolved in the dispute pulls around, stops, and gives her information to the victim and the Police. One might surmise that the incident was fairly remarkable or substantial if an uninvolved party feels the need to return to the scene and give her version of events. BTW her version backs up the victim's version.

Upon initial contact with Plummer his story is that he never got out of his vehicle. (That story is interesting because on his 911 call he said there was no damage. If that were the case how would he know if he never got out of the vehicle.) He then changes his story, never a good thing in dealing with police or prosecutors as it indicates clearly that he initially lied. His second story is that both he and the other driver got out, surveyed the lack of damage and went amicably on their way. (This raises the question of why then did he call 911.) His passenger, thus far only identified as a female states that Plummer got out but the other guy did not. In other words she does not corroborate Plummer's changing story. This means we have Plummer road raging, placing a false call to 911, and making a false report to police. Not earth shaking crimes, but certainly stupid misdemeanors.

Next we have Plummer using the Bully Pulpit of the Brioncos press room to come out and state that nothing happened. A return to the original story and indirectly using his association with the team and his access to the media to call the other driver, the independant witness, and even his female passenger all liars.

Ultimately this story will have little to do with football or fantasy football. Plummer is an extreme jack ### and that fact is well documented. This will likely not cost him his job. The Broncos are not going to sever ties with him over this when his successor is not yet trained. It may however hasten his future departure in a year or two. This man has flipped off the fans, stated in his press conference he is not concerned with being a role model, implied that nobody will be concerned about his actions as long as he wins games (not a smart stance as the city still remembers that Elway was a role model). He has called up members of the press to drunkenly berate them at night with profanity, and now he is calling members of the community liars rather than owning up to his own mistakes.

Like it or not Plummer is the face of the franchise. The franchise lives and dies on good will of the fans. No doubt hardcore fans will forgive this, hell we forgive rape, domestic abuse, gun play, drunk driving, why not this. But to casual fans this will be an issue. Issues like this create heat for ownership, and as Plummer ages, as his replacement is in the organization and doing well and saying all the right things, Plumer's job security wanes.

Ultimately do I care, no. I am used to players being idiots. I do, however, expect the story to have legs for a few days in Denver, and I do expect it will help Bowlen cut ties with Plummer when the time comes.

 

[P Boy]

Ultimately this story will have little to do with football or fantasy football. Plummer is an extreme jack ### and that fact is well documented.

So you're the one he flipped off at the game a couple opf years ago, huh?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Ultimately this story will have little to do with football or fantasy football.  Plummer is an extreme jack ### and that fact is well documented.

So you're the one he flipped off at the game a couple opf years ago, huh?

I think my Bring Back Brian sign pissed him off.

 

[roadkill1292]

Do you know who I am?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Police Report

 

[thesurfshop19]

Like it or not Plummer is the face of the franchise. The franchise lives and dies on good will of the fans. No doubt hardcore fans will forgive this, hell we forgive rape, domestic abuse, gun play, drunk driving, why not this. But to casual fans this will be an issue. Issues like this create heat for ownership, and as Plummer ages, as his replacement is in the organization and doing well and saying all the right things, Plumer's job security wanes.

Ultimately do I care, no. I am used to players being idiots. I do, however, expect the story to have legs for a few days in Denver, and I do expect it will help Bowlen cut ties with Plummer when the time comes.

I completely agree here. I guess my point is, did we learn anything new here?We already know that Plummer doesn't always make good decisions. It's happened on the field and off the field (i.e. flipping off fans). All this does is add to the list.

At the end of the day, I see Plummer exactly the same as I did before -- a guy who cares a heck of a lot, plays hard, is a great team player ... but doesn't have the mindset or the talent to be a truly dominant franchise QB.

He's on his way out in the next 3 years anyway, so he has to see the oncoming season as an on-the-field audition for his next team. All he's done here is reinforce what people already know about him, not change anything. That's why I was wondering why it's such a shock or a big deal, that's all.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Rocky Mountain News Story

We still have conflicting stories," Englewood police investigator John Hoehler said. "But we have an independent witness who reported that she saw the thing, and she's telling the same story the victim told us."

The witness, Marjorie Casse, told CBS 4 News that she was on her way to work when she saw the incident unfold and felt compelled to stop.

She backed Stone's version of events and said she was "shocked, appalled, scared" by what she saw. Casse said she wrote down the license plate number as the Honda drove away, but never guessed that the Broncos quarterback was behind the wheel.

Casse, a nurse, told News 4, "I just moved here a year ago, and I really didn't know who he was."

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Any truth to the rumor that Plummer's agent has contacted the Honda people to endorse their vehicle. "It's so safe and well built that it gets hardly a scratch during your road rage follies."

 

[P Boy]

Rocky Mountain News Story

We still have conflicting stories," Englewood police investigator John Hoehler said. "But we have an independent witness who reported that she saw the thing, and she's telling the same story the victim told us."

The witness, Marjorie Casse, told CBS 4 News that she was on her way to work when she saw the incident unfold and felt compelled to stop.

She backed Stone's version of events and said she was "shocked, appalled, scared" by what she saw. Casse said she wrote down the license plate number as the Honda drove away, but never guessed that the Broncos quarterback was behind the wheel.

Casse, a nurse, told News 4, "I just moved here a year ago, and I really didn't know who he was."

Well, I heard Casse's interview on KOA also. Aside from being completely horrified at seeing a license plate frame broken, she admits that she never saw the contact between the vehicles and was only petrified at seeing Plummer standing between the vehicles.So the only thing she really corroborates on the other guy's story is that Plummer checked the damage to the vehicles & kicked the other guy's truck.

The other guy was also interviewed on Mike Rosen's show, and he said he wants it all forgotten about, and that he'd like to sit down with Plummer, apologize to each other, & have a couple of beers.

Again - this is a he said/he said case that really amounts to very little and there is no real way to prove which driver hit the other. I guess to me it makes no sense that Plummer if he did in fact back into the other vehicle, get out to check the damage after he did it, & then take off. If you're intentionally hitting another vehicle through your own actions, you sure aren't getting out of the car to check what damage occurred before you take off running while the other person & whomever else is watching.

And you should hear what the idiots on talk radio - sports & otherwise - are saying. They're enjoying immensely blowing this completely out of proportion & creating their own importance. You'd swear Plummer had put a rifle shot through the other guy's head based upon the majority of the reaction. What a #######' joke some of these parasites are.

 

[T Man]

Rocky Mountain News Story

We still have conflicting stories," Englewood police investigator John Hoehler said. "But we have an independent witness who reported that she saw the thing, and she's telling the same story the victim told us."

The witness, Marjorie Casse, told CBS 4 News that she was on her way to work when she saw the incident unfold and felt compelled to stop.

She backed Stone's version of events and said she was "shocked, appalled, scared" by what she saw. Casse said she wrote down the license plate number as the Honda drove away, but never guessed that the Broncos quarterback was behind the wheel.

Casse, a nurse, told News 4, "I just moved here a year ago, and I really didn't know who he was."

Well, I heard Casse's interview on KOA also. Aside from being completely horrified at seeing a license plate frame broken, she admits that she never saw the contact between the vehicles and was only petrified at seeing Plummer standing between the vehicles.So the only thing she really corroborates on the other guy's story is that Plummer checked the damage to the vehicles & kicked the other guy's truck.

The other guy was also interviewed on Mike Rosen's show, and he said he wants it all forgotten about, and that he'd like to sit down with Plummer, apologize to each other, & have a couple of beers.

Again - this is a he said/he said case that really amounts to very little and there is no real way to prove which driver hit the other. I guess to me it makes no sense that Plummer if he did in fact back into the other vehicle, get out to check the damage after he did it, & then take off. If you're intentionally hitting another vehicle through your own actions, you sure aren't getting out of the car to check what damage occurred before you take off running while the other person & whomever else is watching.

And you should hear what the idiots on talk radio - sports & otherwise - are saying. They're enjoying immensely blowing this completely out of proportion & creating their own importance. You'd swear Plummer had put a rifle shot through the other guy's head based upon the majority of the reaction. What a #######' joke some of these parasites are.

I agree it will eventually all blow over; and I did not have the benefit of hearing Casse's interview; but, Jake says he didn't kick the other guy's truck.The circumstances seem to indicate that Jake's story is less credible. And, to minimize her statments by mocking her and saying how she could be horrified by $25 damage to a license plate is simply looking for a way to Love Jake.

I too would be horrified if a guy jumped out of his car, jumping up and down, acting like a loose cannon and complete jack*&^ and kicked someone else's car. In this day and age of road rage and killings, who wouldn't. The fact that the damage in the end was little, does not diminish the situation as it unfolded and the thoughts that go in one's mind.

Plain and simple. Jake is not telling the wole truth. And every little lie he tell's makes him appear less believable as to the whole.

If he wins and throws touchdowns, it all gos away. (Just as Jake has said).

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Rocky Mountain News Story

We still have conflicting stories," Englewood police investigator John Hoehler said. "But we have an independent witness who reported that she saw the thing, and she's telling the same story the victim told us."

The witness, Marjorie Casse, told CBS 4 News that she was on her way to work when she saw the incident unfold and felt compelled to stop.

She backed Stone's version of events and said she was "shocked, appalled, scared" by what she saw. Casse said she wrote down the license plate number as the Honda drove away, but never guessed that the Broncos quarterback was behind the wheel.

Casse, a nurse, told News 4, "I just moved here a year ago, and I really didn't know who he was."

Well, I heard Casse's interview on KOA also. Aside from being completely horrified at seeing a license plate frame broken, she admits that she never saw the contact between the vehicles and was only petrified at seeing Plummer standing between the vehicles.So the only thing she really corroborates on the other guy's story is that Plummer checked the damage to the vehicles & kicked the other guy's truck.

The other guy was also interviewed on Mike Rosen's show, and he said he wants it all forgotten about, and that he'd like to sit down with Plummer, apologize to each other, & have a couple of beers.

Again - this is a he said/he said case that really amounts to very little and there is no real way to prove which driver hit the other. I guess to me it makes no sense that Plummer if he did in fact back into the other vehicle, get out to check the damage after he did it, & then take off. If you're intentionally hitting another vehicle through your own actions, you sure aren't getting out of the car to check what damage occurred before you take off running while the other person & whomever else is watching.

And you should hear what the idiots on talk radio - sports & otherwise - are saying. They're enjoying immensely blowing this completely out of proportion & creating their own importance. You'd swear Plummer had put a rifle shot through the other guy's head based upon the majority of the reaction. What a #######' joke some of these parasites are.

So you will not be contributing to our website for Plummer persecution www.werefusetoletitgo.com ?

 

[P Boy]

I too would be horrified if a guy jumped out of his car, jumping up and down, acting like a loose cannon and complete jack*&^ and kicked someone else's car.  In this day and age of road rage and killings, who wouldn't.  The fact that the damage in the end  was little, does not diminish the situation as it unfolded and the thoughts that go in one's mind.

I'm sorry. I guess I'm just jaded and have a much rougher constitution than you, because someone getting out of a car after a very small bump that I didn't see & then kicking the bumper of the other car just wouldn't make me start to seek shelter or fear for my life. I didn't mean to belittle the extremely sensitive amongst us.That she did not see the contact means that her testimony will not support the other man's (John Stone, is it?) version of events regarding which dunce instigated the contact.I'm not trying to support Plummer in this - and he made his mistake of cutting the guy off & admitted it, as well as making a concilatory gesture signifying to Stone that he had screwed up by cutting him off. What do you want Plummer to do there, slit his wrists on the spot in atonement?Stone admitted creeping up on Plummer's car & blowing the horn for an extended time - 8 seconds by Stone's own admission, which he also admits escalated the situation, and yelling at Plummer. That he could have been the aggressor given his own statements is just as plausible - in fact more plausible - to me than Plummer backing his Honda into the truck and then getting out to inspect the damage he inflicted by his action - and then kicking the truck.But either way - this is a very minor incident between two knuckelheaded drivers that was escalated in a very small way for a very short time & then life went on. If it had not been Plummer that was involved, the whole thing wouldn't have even gotten one sentence in the local newspaper and for $25 damage the police probably would have not investigated the matter within 6 months if at all. A broken license plate frame? C'mon.Move along. Nothing to see here...

 

[T Man]

I too would be horrified if a guy jumped out of his car, jumping up and down, acting like a loose cannon and complete jack*&^ and kicked someone else's car.  In this day and age of road rage and killings, who wouldn't.  The fact that the damage in the end  was little, does not diminish the situation as it unfolded and the thoughts that go in one's mind.

I'm sorry. I guess I'm just jaded and have a much rougher constitution than you, because someone getting out of a car after a very small bump that I didn't see & then kicking the bumper of the other car just wouldn't make me start to seek shelter or fear for my life. I didn't mean to belittle the extremely sensitive amongst us.That she did not see the contact means that her testimony will not support the other man's (John Stone, is it?) version of events regarding which dunce instigated the contact.

I'm not trying to support Plummer in this - and he made his mistake of cutting the guy off & admitted it, as well as making a concilatory gesture signifying to Stone that he had screwed up by cutting him off. What do you want Plummer to do there, slit his wrists on the spot in atonement?

Stone admitted creeping up on Plummer's car & blowing the horn for an extended time - 8 seconds by Stone's own admission, which he also admits escalated the situation, and yelling at Plummer. That he could have been the aggressor given his own statements is just as plausible - in fact more plausible - to me than Plummer backing his Honda into the truck and then getting out to inspect the damage he inflicted by his action - and then kicking the truck.

But either way - this is a very minor incident between two knuckelheaded drivers that was escalated in a very small way for a very short time & then life went on. If it had not been Plummer that was involved, the whole thing wouldn't have even gotten one sentence in the local newspaper and for $25 damage the police probably would have not investigated the matter within 6 months if at all. A broken license plate frame? C'mon.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

You are right. If someone allegedly slammed his car in reverse and hit someone else's car. Got out screaming and acting like a jerk, and then kicked that person's car. I would be fine. No need to worry if the jerk has a gun or something. Who would ever shoot someone over something so silly? Never happens. Your right, in hindsight it was nothing. A very small matter, but at the time, someone could be a bit insecure about the events as they unravel.

Plus, if Jake said he never got out of the car - then says he did, but didn't kick the other car - how could the independent witness have seen him kick the car?

Only two answers: She's lying or Jake is! I still side with the independent witness.

So the question is why lie? And if he's lying, isn't his credibility damaged? Why believe the rest of his story.

Again, I agree that this is a story that would get little play if it wasn't a NFL QB. I also agree that it will blow over. And, I agree that the guy will let bygones be bygones if he get's a chance to sit down and have a few beers with Jake. Heck it was only $25.

But to say you aren't trying to "support" jake is a bit far fetched.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I too would be horrified if a guy jumped out of his car, jumping up and down, acting like a loose cannon and complete jack*&^ and kicked someone else's car.  In this day and age of road rage and killings, who wouldn't.  The fact that the damage in the end  was little, does not diminish the situation as it unfolded and the thoughts that go in one's mind.

I'm sorry. I guess I'm just jaded and have a much rougher constitution than you, because someone getting out of a car after a very small bump that I didn't see & then kicking the bumper of the other car just wouldn't make me start to seek shelter or fear for my life. I didn't mean to belittle the extremely sensitive amongst us.That she did not see the contact means that her testimony will not support the other man's (John Stone, is it?) version of events regarding which dunce instigated the contact.

I'm not trying to support Plummer in this - and he made his mistake of cutting the guy off & admitted it, as well as making a concilatory gesture signifying to Stone that he had screwed up by cutting him off. What do you want Plummer to do there, slit his wrists on the spot in atonement?

Stone admitted creeping up on Plummer's car & blowing the horn for an extended time - 8 seconds by Stone's own admission, which he also admits escalated the situation, and yelling at Plummer. That he could have been the aggressor given his own statements is just as plausible - in fact more plausible - to me than Plummer backing his Honda into the truck and then getting out to inspect the damage he inflicted by his action - and then kicking the truck.

But either way - this is a very minor incident between two knuckelheaded drivers that was escalated in a very small way for a very short time & then life went on. If it had not been Plummer that was involved, the whole thing wouldn't have even gotten one sentence in the local newspaper and for $25 damage the police probably would have not investigated the matter within 6 months if at all. A broken license plate frame? C'mon.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

Your rendition here does not comport with the narrative of the police report where it states Plummer got out, kicked the other vehicle, got back in his Element, and then backed into Mr. Douglas Stone's vehicle. The sequencing is important if we are to foment this minor idiocy into a full blown controversy. Now would you please cooperate with the public lynching of Plummer for this minor idiocy or at least get out of the way. Frankly I believe what happened is that Plummer is such a poor kicker that upon doing no damage to Mr. Stone's vehicle with his girlyman kick that he had to then get back into his Element to exact his revenge. Had this been Flutie, whose kicking prowess is a matter of record, satisfaction would have been obtained without the need to back into the other gentleman's 1992 Ford Ranger. (BTW GDB damaging a classic-Do you know how hard license plate holders are to get for Ford Rangers?)

 

[Courtjester]

I too would be horrified if a guy jumped out of his car, jumping up and down, acting like a loose cannon and complete jack*&^ and kicked someone else's car.  In this day and age of road rage and killings, who wouldn't.  The fact that the damage in the end  was little, does not diminish the situation as it unfolded and the thoughts that go in one's mind.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

This is all that needs to be said....

 

[P Boy]

Your rendition here does not comport with the narrative of the police report where it states Plummer got out, kicked the other vehicle, got back in his Element, and then backed into Mr. Douglas Stone's vehicle. The sequencing is important if we are to foment this minor idiocy into a full blown controversy. Now would you please cooperate with the public lynching of Plummer for this minor idiocy or at least get out of the way.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that DEN police were at the scene & saw the accident. Since no shots were fired, I just assumed they weren't.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I too would be horrified if a guy jumped out of his car, jumping up and down, acting like a loose cannon and complete jack*&^ and kicked someone else's car.  In this day and age of road rage and killings, who wouldn't.  The fact that the damage in the end  was little, does not diminish the situation as it unfolded and the thoughts that go in one's mind.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

This is all that needs to be said....

Not another voice of reason.

 

[P Boy]

But to say you aren't trying to "support" jake is a bit far fetched.

The reports don't support either side. Because I'm not prepared to execute Plummer at the word of a self-admitted quick tempered motorist and an easily terrified eye witness who never saw the contact between the vehicles doesn't mean that I'm supporting him. It just means that the stories on both sides are in doubt.Unless, of course, you saw something that you aren't sharing with the class...

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Your rendition here does not comport with the narrative of the police report where it states Plummer got out, kicked the other vehicle, got back in his Element, and then backed into Mr. Douglas Stone's vehicle.  The sequencing is important if we are to foment this minor idiocy into a full blown controversy.  Now would you please cooperate with the public lynching of Plummer for this minor idiocy or at least get out of the way.  

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that DEN police were at the scene & saw the accident. Since no shots were fired, I just assumed they weren't.

Englewood Police my friend, not Denver. You know it's serious if the Englewood P.D. stopped inspecting Strip clubs and investigated the matter. Very few things are serious enough to get them out of those clubs.

 

[T Man]

But to say you aren't trying to "support" jake is a bit far fetched.

The reports don't support either side. Because I'm not prepared to execute Plummer at the word of a self-admitted quick tempered motorist and an easily terrified eye witness who never saw the contact between the vehicles doesn't mean that I'm supporting him. It just means that the stories on both sides are in doubt.Unless, of course, you saw something that you aren't sharing with the class...

I saw Jake tell two different stories on two separate occassions:One saying he never got out of the car. The other saying he did, but he didn't kick the other guy's car.

I also saw a statement from the independent witness that says he did, in fact, get out of his car and kick the other guy's car. Therefore, since she has no reason to lie and Jake has already lied, I see Jake's lying!

I also see Pony Boy ignoring the fact that Jake has lied. I see Pony Boy poking fun at the lady who saw it all. And I see Pony Boy pointing the finger at the other guy despite the fact that Jake has lied.

I see, and agree, with Pony Boy that the incident itself is blown out of proportion and will likely blow over.

Now what do you see? Can you share it with the class?

 

[P Boy]

Now what do you see?  Can you share it with the class?

Yep. Tell us all without question who hit who's car based upon the evidence offered.Because I can tell you with great certainty that if I had accidently cut someone off & acknowledged that, and the guy blared his horn at me for an extended period, that the worst I would do is probably shrug my shoulders. However, if he bumped my car with his, I can also tell you with certainty that I would get out, check my car for damage, and then either hit or kick his car. And I would probably terrify both the lady who witnessed it & you in doing so.I have not seen any report by Pulmmer where he stated that he did not get out of the car. I did see in his 911 call that he didn't say whether or not he got out of the car - but that is not a claim that he didn't get out of the car. I'll have to review the links to verify what you claim is Plummer's claim that he didn't get out on his first statement.

 

[P Boy]

One saying he never got out of the car.  The other saying he did, but he didn't kick the other guy's car.

Okay, I reviewed the news stories & the transcript of Plummer's 911 call, as well as his interview, and in no case does he ever state that he never got out of the car. In the 911 call he said nothing either way. In his press conference, interview, and the news stories he admits in every case getting out of the car.It would appear that you are mistaken in your assertion, perhaps because you hold some kind of grudge against Plummer & are apparently slandering him for some reason. Could you provide documentation to back your claim of Plummer lying about not getting out of the car?

 

[T Man]

One saying he never got out of the car.  The other saying he did, but he didn't kick the other guy's car.

Okay, I reviewed the news stories & the transcript of Plummer's 911 call, as well as his interview, and in no case does he ever state that he never got out of the car. In the 911 call he said nothing either way. In his press conference, interview, and the news stories he admits in every case getting out of the car.It would appear that you are mistaken in your assertion, perhaps because you hold some kind of grudge against Plummer & are apparently slandering him for some reason. Could you provide documentation to back your claim of Plummer lying about not getting out of the car?

I will also review the stories. I know the 911 call he does not say he got out of the car. I will double check all the stories about him not getting out of the car.But as we have it right now:

Jake's Story = (1)accident occurred, (2) he got out to check damage, (3)he did not kick the car, (4) he returned to car and called 911

Independent Witness Story = (1) Jake out of car, (2) Jake kick's car, (3) Jake returns to car, (4) accident occurs as she says car's are now together and she can't tell how or who, and (5) Jake returns to car and drives off

Other Driver's Story = Independent Witness Story except in (4) he would say Jake returned to his car and then backed it up into his car

The sequence of events relating to the accident and when he got out of the car are different as is what he did when he was out of the car.

Is it really so hard to see that the stories cannot both be true?

Is it also so hard to believe that Jake lied about getting out and kicking the car?

Is it also difficult to believe that if the cars were not together when he was out of the car and then they were after he returned to the car that the accident did not occur before he got out of the car?

As for me, don't really care about Plummer. Thought he played well last year. Think he'll do fine this year. Thought he was a good guy for the Tillman thing. No agenda. I just think the facts show he's lying and I can't figure out why. He should have just said he was sorry and let the whole thing blow over.

And although we both agree it is overblown and will blow over, I can't see why you refuse to see that Jake's story is most likely untrue given the lady's statement.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

One saying he never got out of the car.  The other saying he did, but he didn't kick the other guy's car.

Okay, I reviewed the news stories & the transcript of Plummer's 911 call, as well as his interview, and in no case does he ever state that he never got out of the car. In the 911 call he said nothing either way. In his press conference, interview, and the news stories he admits in every case getting out of the car.It would appear that you are mistaken in your assertion, perhaps because you hold some kind of grudge against Plummer & are apparently slandering him for some reason. Could you provide documentation to back your claim of Plummer lying about not getting out of the car?

I will also review the stories. I know the 911 call he does not say he got out of the car. I will double check all the stories about him not getting out of the car.But as we have it right now:

Jake's Story = (1)accident occurred, (2) he got out to check damage, (3)he did not kick the car, (4) he returned to car and called 911

Independent Witness Story = (1) Jake out of car, (2) Jake kick's car, (3) Jake returns to car, (4) accident occurs as she says car's are now together and she can't tell how or who, and (5) Jake returns to car and drives off

Other Driver's Story = Independent Witness Story except in (4) he would say Jake returned to his car and then backed it up into his car

The sequence of events relating to the accident and when he got out of the car are different as is what he did when he was out of the car.

Is it really so hard to see that the stories cannot both be true?

Is it also so hard to believe that Jake lied about getting out and kicking the car?

Is it also difficult to believe that if the cars were not together when he was out of the car and then they were after he returned to the car that the accident did not occur before he got out of the car?

As for me, don't really care about Plummer. Thought he played well last year. Think he'll do fine this year. Thought he was a good guy for the Tillman thing. No agenda. I just think the facts show he's lying and I can't figure out why. He should have just said he was sorry and let the whole thing blow over.

And although we both agree it is overblown and will blow over, I can't see why you refuse to see that Jake's story is most likely untrue given the lady's statement.

I think the important thing here is that we all work to keep this story going until such time as Plummer buys our silence with a box for a divisional game. I think all participants in the thread should be eligible to be in the box, and I think the game should be against San Diego in appreciation for M. Tremblay for starting this thread.

 

[P Boy]

I think the important thing here is that we all work to keep this story going until such time as Plummer buys our silence with a box for a divisional game. I think all participants in the thread should be eligible to be in the box, and I think the game should be against San Diego in appreciation for M. Tremblay for starting this thread.

Given this, I would like to put forth for the record that my position can and will change depending whether tickets are forthcoming and the quality of the tickets offered. If Jake expects me to keep sticking up for his sorry ### errr - keep my unbiased opinion based upon all evidence and testimony available, a minimum of box seats between the 40s for the San Diego game will be required.

 

[Pick]

Shanny weighs in.

 

[T Man]

Pony - you were right on one thing. Mea culpa.

I had thought Jake said he did not get out of the car in his first statments. The article I had read does not have Jake saying he did not get out of the car, it just implied he said it. It was derived from the fact that he did not tell 911 he got out of the car.

That said, he says he did not get out of the car until after the accident and he did not kick the car.

The witness says otherwise.

Still nothing new and it will all go away. SO I guess we should all just move along.

 

[P Boy]

Pony - you were right on one thing. Mea culpa.

I had thought Jake said he did not get out of the car in his first statments. The article I had read does not have Jake saying he did not get out of the car, it just implied he said it. It was derived from the fact that he did not tell 911 he got out of the car.

That said, he says he did not get out of the car until after the accident and he did not kick the car.

The witness says otherwise.

Still nothing new and it will all go away. SO I guess we should all just move along.

So should I place the same tag on you that you're trying so hard to apply to Plummer?

Just like the DEN media, trying to spin this so Plummer gets hung. I have stated based upon hearing her interview, and the news articles all have stated that the uninvolved eye witness distinctly says that she did not see the contact between the two vehicles.

So, for your version to be true, Plummer either got out of his car after the contact, or the eye witness was so horrified at Plummer getting out of his car that she averted her eyes & didn't see Plummer get back in his car and back into the other car.

Which do you think is true?

Again - I'll make this perfectly clear: I am not taking Plummer's side on this. The two guys involved in the accident that mangled the license plate frame contradict each other & the witness did not see who hit whom. In short, there's no way of telling who initiated the contact between the vehicles, both guys acted stupidly, and the act was so minor that it is relatively meaningless.

Do you really want to proceed with this?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Pony - you were right on one thing.  Mea culpa.

I had thought Jake said he did not get out of the car in his first statments.  The article I had read does not have Jake saying he did not get out of the car, it just implied he said it.  It was derived from the fact that he did not tell 911 he got out of the car.

That said, he says he did not get out of the car until after the accident and he did not kick the car.

The witness says otherwise.

Still nothing new and it will all go away.  SO I guess we should all just move along.

So should I place the same tag on you that you're trying so hard to apply to Plummer?

Just like the DEN media, trying to spin this so Plummer gets hung. I have stated based upon hearing her interview, and the news articles all have stated that the uninvolved eye witness distinctly says that she did not see the contact between the two vehicles.

So, for your version to be true, Plummer either got out of his car after the contact, or the eye witness was so horrified at Plummer getting out of his car that she averted her eyes & didn't see Plummer get back in his car and back into the other car.

Which do you think is true?

Again - I'll make this perfectly clear: I am not taking Plummer's side on this. The two guys involved in the accident that mangled the license plate frame contradict each other & the witness did not see who hit whom. In short, there's no way of telling who initiated the contact between the vehicles, both guys acted stupidly, and the act was so minor that it is relatively meaningless.

Do you really want to proceed with this?

As an owner of a Ford Ranger I do want to pursue this. I have been traumatized I say. Now, every time I see a Honda Element on the road I fear for my safety thinking maybe that manic Plummer is behind the wheel and looking to add another Ranger license plate to his trophy wall. The only thing that can allay my fears is a box at the Chargers game, and perhaps a visit to the box by the Broncos Cheerleaders.

 

[DrJ]

Nothing short of naked pics of Jake's girlfriend will ever make this right.