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Brother is a serial Killer (1 Viewer)

netnalp, a couple questions...

1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?

2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?

 
netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
His brother is dead.
 
netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
How do the spoiler tags work again?
 
netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
You're really not following this thread very well.
 
netnalp, a couple questions...

1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?

2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
:doh:
 
netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
:lmao: :beartrap:
 
shadyridr, maybe you should think about posting less in here. just a suggestion.
Is that a threat of getting a suspension? I didnt post anything that 5 other people didnt also post and I wasnt even the first one to mention it :shrug:
not a threat at all. you just keep saying the same thing over and over again and appear to be doing your best to completely derail this thread.I already cleaned up the hijack in here once. Not sure why we have to keep going over the same ground.
 
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I mean this story does have the ability to turn into a movie.

Brother seeks clues to determine if his brother killed more and more people, dark and twisted flashbacks and cut scenes of peeping tom for the previews. Based on a true story, etc.

I can see it.

 
netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
can't wait until you get to page 2!ETA: I'm also sorry about your troubles reading this entire thread.
 
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You know I think its really unfair that a bunch of posts were deleted where people agreed with my question. 5 people said they didnt wanna say anything but when someone else mentioned the whole pedophile angle they wanted to say they also thought the same thing. Heck I wasnt even the first one to mention it. Meanwhile, everyone's post agreeing with me was deleted and yet mine is still there for people to bump and call me a jerk. :confused:

 
shadyridr, maybe you should think about posting less in here. just a suggestion.
Is that a threat of getting a suspension? I didnt post anything that 5 other people didnt also post and I wasnt even the first one to mention it :shrug:
not a threat at all. you just keep saying the same thing over and over again and appear to be doing your best to completely derail this thread.
Cuz people keeping bumping my post while all the posts that agreed with my question were deleted making me look like the a hole. Does that make sense? Ill leave it alone.
 
shadyridr, maybe you should think about posting less in here. just a suggestion.
Is that a threat of getting a suspension? I didnt post anything that 5 other people didnt also post and I wasnt even the first one to mention it :shrug:
not a threat at all. you just keep saying the same thing over and over again and appear to be doing your best to completely derail this thread.I already cleaned up the hijack in here once. Not sure why we have to keep going over the same ground.
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You know I think its really unfair that a bunch of posts were deleted where people agreed with my question. 5 people said they didnt wanna say anything but when someone else mentioned the whole pedophile angle they wanted to say they also thought the same thing. Heck I wasnt even the first one to mention it. Meanwhile, everyone's post agreeing with me was deleted and yet mine is still there for people to bump and call me a jerk. :confused:
I left it there because it was fine to mention it once. We didn't need 10 people saying "+1" and quoting the 5 previous posts saying the same exact thing.
 
Mrs. Fennis: Why are you downloading some crappy basic cable show?

Fennis: Some guy on the Internet, his brother was the killer.

Mrs Fennis: I want a divorce.

 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Clinton said:
netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
can't wait until you get to page 2!ETA: I'm also sorry about your troubles reading this entire thread.
A simple "asked and answered" would have sufficed or even ignoring it like everyone else did, but I'm glad that you feel better about yourself now.
 
'Chadstroma said:
:mellow: You do realize this crap does not happen to the rest of us, right? I mean, I am tempted to disbelieve you and that this is the all time biggest fishing story in the FFA- but at the same time it rings with truth. If you are not putting us on- dang bud, I am sorry for the crazy life and have to give you tons of props for coming out of this a well adjusted upstanding person. If you are putting us on- stop and write a book because you will make tons of money.
:lmao: Yeah, I understand. I don't dwell on that though. I don't want these events to define me. I could, let this stuff push me into a deep depression. I could numb myself with narcotics and alcohol. And the sad thing is most people would let me. They would understand, that I'd had a hard life and make excuses for me if I played the victim. I can't give up like that.What this has done is, made me more aware of I define as "happening to me." My brother went to prison and killed himself. Something happening to my brother seems worlds apart from it actually happening to me. I hope that makes sense. I certainly feel empathy for the suffering of others. I just don't get drawn in emotionally as much as I would have before so much happened. In the healthcare field I think this helps.I guess and analogy would be, if someone falls through the ice on a lake. You aren't much help if you jump in with them. If you stay on solid ice and use the tools available, you have a much better chance of helping.
 
'Clinton said:
netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?
asked and answered
 
'Oracle said:
'ODoyleRules said:
You seem to have spent a lot of energy looking for a moment when your brother was abused or affected that would have been the catalyst for all of this. Don't you think it's possible that he was just born with different wiring that caused his actions?

Lots of people have upbringings similar to your family and not all of them are prone to murder (including yourself and your other brothers). I obviously don't know the first thing about you or your family but I'm just surprised that you have an interest in psychology and yet you don't chalk up his actions up to mental illness.
I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like Socially Awkward Penguin.
That link is hilarious. Although it's clear to me now that I'm socially awkward
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'shadyridr said:
You know I think its really unfair that a bunch of posts were deleted where people agreed with my question. 5 people said they didnt wanna say anything but when someone else mentioned the whole pedophile angle they wanted to say they also thought the same thing. Heck I wasnt even the first one to mention it. Meanwhile, everyone's post agreeing with me was deleted and yet mine is still there for people to bump and call me a jerk. :confused:
I left it there because it was fine to mention it once. We didn't need 10 people saying "+1" and quoting the 5 previous posts saying the same exact thing.
Fair enough but now new people seeing this thread for the first time think Im the only one who said anything. Anyway, I deleted all my offending posts because I dont feel like continually looking like the only jerk. Was never my intention to derail the thread. I thought it was a legitimate question, 5 others agreed with me. Deleting some of the posts but not all of them makes me look really bad. Ill leave it alone.
 
'Mr. Pickles said:
'netnalp said:
Ok, since I've caught up on most of the questions. I'll go into the strange circumstances of my father's death.

First off, it was investigated and it isn't possible that Drew killed my father. I'm not saying he wouldn't have wanted to, the time to go from Michigan to Cheyenne, Wyoming makes it impossible. As kids Drew did talk about maybe putting poison mushrooms on dad's pizza. The most creative idea Drew thought of was to get dad to ingest the sap from milkweed plants that grew in the yard. Apparently Drew was onto something, according to wiki:

"Milkweed also contains cardiac glycoside poisons which inhibit animal cells from maintaining a proper K+, Ca+ concentration gradient.[citation needed] As a result many natives of South America and Africa used arrows poisoned with these glycosides to fight and hunt more effectively. Milkweed is toxic and may cause death when animals consume 10% of their body weight in any part of the plant."

Can't imagine he'd have been able to get dad to eat 18-20 lbs of the stuff.

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Anyway back to the actual death of my father. He died through C02 asphyxiation from a clogged wood burning stove pipe. This also started a fire. The body charred body was removed before being completely consumed. The remains were identified by the landlord. The Fire Marshal assured me that it was an accidental death and there was no way someone could have intentionally started the fire and that the body wasn't damaged to the point that it wasn't identifiable.

Three days after my father's death I get a call from a man that claimed to be an old college friend of my dad's named Don Morasco. Morasco told me that he had received in the mail an envelope from my father that contained the keys to a car, a key to a storage locker and an article on how to clean the exhaust pipe of a wood burning stove to prevent a fire and the accumulation of CO2. (I called the Fire Marshal about this and I #### you not, he still insisted it was an accident).

Morasco said my dad had owed the landlord back rent. So the landlord was starting a lawsuit to claim my dad's possessions to pay the debt. Morasco said he wanted to collect the possessions and give them to my brothers and I. But to do so, he needed us to sign a legal document releasing our rights to the property and giving him permission to claim them.

The storage locker and the car were filled with all of my dad's possessions. And he had just paid on the renter's insurance on the place so he wasn't planning to move. Morasco then secretly tries to files some legal paper work that would make him the heir to any insurance and pension money of my dad's. I think it was the friend of the court or someone like that, that gave us a heads up on the attempt to screw us over. Eventually a settlement was reached and Morasco got half of the possessions and money.

My dad's parent's wanted to take care of the funeral. So we arrive at the grave site. There's no casket, no urn, just a hole. A UPS man comes up to me and asks me to sign for the package he is carrying. It was a cardboard box containing my dad's ashes. My grandfather grabs it and drops it into the hole. then the Pastor started the ceremony. It was so ridiculous I found it funny. It was like they were burying their mail.

About a decade later my Grandfather dies, and once he was gone my Grandmother has started saying that she believes my father is still alive.
This is already more interesting than Season 6 of Dexter.
Damn it! I'm on Season 2. Was hoping it stayed great and didn't "Entourage" itself. :kicksrock:
 
'Chadstroma said:
'netnalp said:
I don't know why she believes this. She just says she thinks he's still alive and just talks about the odd things about the "accident", doesn't add anything new. She's old but seems pretty sharp. At 106 she's on facebook and email. I don't know if it's a case where with my Grandfather gone she feels free to discuss her conspiracy theories or that with him gone she can reveal secrets she actually knows about.
Why would the friend get the keys and article mailed to him? That sounds awfully curious...
That's one of the things that my Grandmother points to that she thinks he faked his death. It does seem odd that what is said to be an "accident" could have been prevented by following the advice from the article, my dad had sent Morasco. Even stranger, was Don Morasco did not own a wood burning stove. My dad's wood burning stove is supposedly the cause of his own death.
 
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'Brock Middlebrook said:
Can you comment on what other murders he's being investigated for?
The book linked earlier, mentions a couple that were looked into but no connections were found and that there are other cold cases that are being looked at. The status of those, I have no idea. The only way I'd ever find out is if it came out in the news.
 
'Oracle said:
'ODoyleRules said:
You seem to have spent a lot of energy looking for a moment when your brother was abused or affected that would have been the catalyst for all of this. Don't you think it's possible that he was just born with different wiring that caused his actions?

Lots of people have upbringings similar to your family and not all of them are prone to murder (including yourself and your other brothers). I obviously don't know the first thing about you or your family but I'm just surprised that you have an interest in psychology and yet you don't chalk up his actions up to mental illness.
I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like Socially Awkward Penguin.
That link is hilarious. Although it's clear to me now that I'm socially awkward
:lmao: I do way too many of those things.

 
'netnalp said:
'geoff8695 said:
Based solely on the news article you linked, I didn't understand the thread title, but after you shared additional background info a couple things stood out, making it understandable why you might suspect a "serial" killer.The X-box carton full of potential mementos/keepsakes from victims is pretty damn creepy and I've read that it's also common amongst serial killers. Iirc they keep such tokens to help them fantisize and relive their crimes. I'm really glad to hear that you did what you could and turned it all over to the authorities. IMO you deserve credit for doing that, and I sincerely hope a detective in Lansing will follow up on or at least explore this potential evidence.The other thing that that stood out to me was how your bro seemed to lack empathy for both you and your mom based on your recollections of his treatment of you growing up and his lack of concern for the sacrifices your mom made(possible early hints of psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies?). A single mother of four needs plenty of understanding from the rest of the family when it comes to finances. Glad to hear that you were more concerned about her financial burden than on getting the best HS class ring that money could buy.Thanks for sharing netnalp, I'm truly sorry for what you're family has gone through, especially your mom.
Also in my brother's things was a key to a Mustang II of my brother's that was in my mom's garage. She opened the trunk and there was a bloody futon mattress. I didn't see it, but mom said the blood stain was about the size of a manhole cover and thick and scabby. She called the police and they never showed up. So after 3 months she threw it away.
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'Oracle said:
'ODoyleRules said:
You seem to have spent a lot of energy looking for a moment when your brother was abused or affected that would have been the catalyst for all of this. Don't you think it's possible that he was just born with different wiring that caused his actions?

Lots of people have upbringings similar to your family and not all of them are prone to murder (including yourself and your other brothers). I obviously don't know the first thing about you or your family but I'm just surprised that you have an interest in psychology and yet you don't chalk up his actions up to mental illness.
I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like Socially Awkward Penguin.
That link is hilarious. Although it's clear to me now that I'm socially awkward
:lmao: I do way too many of those things.
OMG... If I were wearing a tux, I'd be the poster child for that site.
 
netnalp, found this interesting article. Would you care to comment on any inaccuracies? Really does reflect what a courageous woman your mother was in the face of all the chaos.

Suspect's mother fled with sons to end abuse

Jennifer Brevorka - Staff Writer

Published in: Crime/Safety

CHARLOTTE, Mich. -- Sarah Chandler says she left her husband, Robert Planten, after watching him beat and verbally abuse their four sons. She later moved halfway across the country to Michigan so she and her sons could start over.

Chandler eventually flourished in Charlotte, a small town just outside Lansing, the state capital. She started a law practice, founded a domestic violence shelter and served on boards of nonprofits.

But her second-youngest son, Drew Planten, struggled. He finished high school and graduated from college, but befriended no one, never dated and rarely went out. He had trouble landing a job and was often so silent that it was painful to be near him.

"He was such an unassuming guy," said Robert Deitrick, an attorney in Charlotte who knows Chandler and Planten. "If he leaned against the wall, you wouldn't see him."

Planten's big break seemed to come in 2000, when he took a job at a state lab in Raleigh. Chandler told neighbors of her son's good fortune and thought he had found a place to make a home and career.

Instead, Planten, 35, sits in a cell at Central Prison in Raleigh, charged with murder. Police say he bound, raped and strangled 23-year-old Stephanie Bennett in her North Raleigh apartment in 2002. After arresting him last month and searching his apartment, police say Planten may also be a suspect in the killing of a 22-year-old Lansing woman in 1999.

To his mother, whose monotone voice rarely shows emotion, the news was painful.

"It's horrible," she said, her eyes watering. "It's just horrible."

The daughter of a Baptist minister, Chandler moved to New Jersey when her father took over a parish in Passaic County. There she met Robert Planten, whose family was "a pillar of the church," she said.

The couple married and had four boys in a span of seven years. Her husband, a graduate of Bob Jones University in South Carolina, worked as a surveyor and municipal works supervisor while Chandler ran a day care.

Violence marred the marriage, Chandler said. Planten beat and verbally abused the children. He never hit his wife, but he verbally abused her. Chandler thought he focused on the boys to keep a psychological hold on the family.

"I think he physically abused the children because he knew it would get to me," Chandler said.

Chandler knew she had to leave. But it was a hard decision for a minister's daughter brought up in a church in which divorce was frowned upon. She worked two jobs to support her sons, running the day care and waiting tables on weekends. She later enrolled in paralegal school and took a job at the phone company.

Life in New Jersey became even more difficult when her ex-husband was convicted of official misconduct in 1985. Robert Planten had received a $57 hood ornament from a builder in exchange for approving a set of site plans, according to news accounts at the time. The case was all over the newspapers, and kids made fun of the boys at school, Chandler said.

Move to Michigan

After rejection from several law schools in New Jersey, Chandler eventually got accepted at Thomas M. Cooley Law School in Lansing. She moved the family to Michigan, working as a paralegal during the day and attending school at night.

Drew Planten was upset by the move, angry about finishing high school at a new school. He enrolled at East Lansing High, a short walk from Michigan State University, and graduated in 1988.

Wally Juall, a counselor, recalled meeting with Planten a handful of times about "personal matters."

"He was kind of a quiet guy, not really wanting to disclose a lot of things about himself," said Juall, now retired.

School administrators told Chandler that her son was "immature" and suggested Planten attend Lansing Community College before enrolling at Michigan State.

He took pre-veterinary classes at the community college, then transferred to the university in 1990, according to school records. The family lived in East Lansing, a short drive from campus, and Planten lived at home. As in high school, he did not participate in any clubs, teams or organizations.

Planten's father faded from his life. Robert Planten eventually moved to Cheyenne, Wyo., where he died in a fire in 1993. His death had minimal impact on the boys' lives, Chandler said, because they were not close to him. Chandler doesn't try to explain how his beatings might have affected her sons, though she knows they suffered.

Jobs hard to find

In 1995, Planten graduated from MSU with a zoology degree. He worked briefly as a lab technician at BioPort, a company that develops anthrax vaccine, and Neogen, a food safety and testing company, his mother said.

Planten quit the jobs because of poor pay, then had trouble finding one in his field, Chandler said.

"I think it was because he was shy," she said. "He would get to the interview and they would pick someone else."

By now, Planten was living with his mother and younger brother in a quiet subdivision in Charlotte (pronounced Shar-LOT). The town of 8,400, just off Interstate 69, is anchored by the old Eaton County courthouse, a red brick structure with a white cupola on a grassy quad. Mayor Ken Wirt describes Charlotte as a "self-contained small town," and its Web site boasts of a "decidedly no-nonsense, Midwestern work ethic."

The Plantens lived in a gray two-story home with white shutters. Neighbors chat while walking their dogs or watching kids play basketball in driveways. Most knew Chandler, but said she didn't socialize much and stayed away from the annual summer picnic and neighborhood parties. Residents saw her when she mowed her lawn, cleared snow from her walkway or trimmed bushes.

"I always wondered, 'Why aren't those boys out there helping their mother?' " said Dale Land, who lives a few doors away.

Quiet and odd

Neighbors recalled Drew Planten as a lanky man slouched in a long coat who would stare down at the street while walking his Rottweiler. Michigan neighbors, like Planten's neighbors in Raleigh, described him as quiet, odd and even awkward.

"Drew's always been quiet," his mother said. "I think if Drew had been outgoing we would have thought that was strange."

While Planten withdrew, his mother flourished.

She was the driving force behind a domestic violence shelter and had the shelter's hot line routed to her office, where she fielded calls from battered women. Chandler went on to serve with the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce, the United Way and other charities.

"Volunteer work has always been my social life," she said. "I grew up in the church. I was never into partying."

She bought a Victorian home on Cochran Avenue, the main drag, and opened her office on the first floor. Now, as a "country lawyer," she sees clients about divorce, bankruptcy and real estate, she said.

Margo and Scott Ross, her neighbors, said though they always thought Planten was strange, his mother was helpful and civic-minded. When the couple's teenage daughter searched for work one summer, Chandler hired her as a secretary.

They describe Chandler as the backbone of her household. "I think she tried to hold that family together," Margo Ross said.

In spring of 2000, Drew Planten got a seasonal job with the U.S. Department of Agriculture. He moved to Oregon and spent his days in the water, counting salmon as they swam upstream. Soon after, he got a permanent job in North Carolina, with the N.C. Department of Agriculture.

In Raleigh, Planten would be closer to his brother, Donald, who lived in Asheville with his wife. The family was familiar with the Triangle because the oldest son, Ronald, had attended N.C. State University, according to a family history.

Chandler lent Planten money and helped him move into an apartment near Lake Lynn, a two-minute walk from where Stephanie Bennett lived.

He went to work as a chemistry technician in a fertilizer laboratory, and Chandler saw him three or four times a year when he came home to visit or when she traveled to Raleigh. The two talked regularly on the phone, Chandler said.

"He probably talked to me more than anybody else," she said.

Planten had stopped talking with his brother Ronald, who lived in Florida. In Raleigh, he eventually cut off contact with his brother Donald, in part because Donald had joined a religious cult and married a woman with similar beliefs, Chandler said. And, in 2003, when Asheville police arrested Donald Planten in a scheme that involved hiding video cameras in women's restrooms at his job, Drew did not reach out to his brother.

"It was a shame," Chandler said of the relationship. "Growing up, they were like two peas in a pod."

In Raleigh, Drew Planten found his job, analyzing the contents of fertilizer, a bit boring, Chandler said. But he had been promoted twice and wanted to eventually become a supervisor. Chandler thought he wanted to stay until he retired.

"I think Drew is the type of person that likes doing things where he knows the outcome," his mother said.

Instead, Planten's life changed abruptly on Oct. 19 when Raleigh police arrested him outside the laboratory. Police say a sample of Planten's DNA matched DNA left at Bennett's apartment. When they searched Planten's apartment on Buck Jones Road, where he had moved, they found an arsenal of guns, bullets and knives.

They also found documents that mention Rebecca Huismann, a topless dancer shot in the face with a .45-caliber gun and left for dead in her Lansing driveway in 1999, before Planten had left home.

Lansing police came to North Carolina after Raleigh investigators found the documents and two .45-caliber handguns in Planten's home, according to Raleigh police. The Michigan officers returned home with a gun; a week later, prosecutors said Huismann's six-year-old cold case was under investigation again.

A mother's pain

Chandler learned about her son's arrest when a television reporter called her office. During the next few days, she read news accounts online of Bennett's 2002 killing and Planten's first appearance in court, where he sat strapped to a gurney, eyes shut, silent and unresponsive.

Soon after the arrest, Chandler visited her son at Central Prison in Raleigh, she said. Planten encouraged his mother not to visit too often. He wanted to make sure she could focus on her clients and secure a future for herself.

"I think that was really thoughtful considering what he is facing," Chandler said.

She plans on returning to Raleigh to empty her son's apartment and meet with his attorney before taking Planten's belongings home to Michigan.

Chandler can't bring herself to go on the Web any longer to read about what is unfolding in Lansing and Raleigh. It's just too painful to watch the family she once kept together now fall apart.
 
I've been reading this thread all day today at work. Extremely interesting read. Like others have mentioned, you need to write a book about this. You clearly have a writing talent.

I wonder how many billions of dollars of payroll has been burned due to the FFA?

 
I've been reading this thread all day today at work. Extremely interesting read. Like others have mentioned, you need to write a book about this. You clearly have a writing talent.I wonder how many billions of dollars of payroll has been burned due to the FFA?
You are either underestimating the time spent in the FFA during business hours or underestimating the salaries of those who read/post here.I'm guessing it's in the trillions.
 
Just caught up on all of this...your mother sounds like one hell of a strong person.

Also, I would read a book about this if you were to write it....you've got a knack for it.

 
I've been reading this thread all day today at work. Extremely interesting read. Like others have mentioned, you need to write a book about this. You clearly have a writing talent.I wonder how many billions of dollars of payroll has been burned due to the FFA?
You are either underestimating the time spent in the FFA during business hours or underestimating the salaries of those who read/post here.I'm guessing it's in the trillions.
:lol:Good point!
 
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far.

I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.

Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.
You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
This is what happens when using this type of medium. People will make assumptions with very little to go on. Some will assume since two of my brothers were so bad, then there has to be some skeleton I'm hiding. Try to be aware, that reading through this thread is much different than the writing I'm doing. Reading it, when I go back to a subject or train of thought it cam seem like I'm making a hard sell. In writing responses, I'm taking each post more as an individual entity than someone reading through would. People miss stuff either because they are skimming, or I didn't convey the thoughts well enough. So repetition occurs.

Add onto that the following:

- The Sandusky stuff is really fresh in people's minds. So I am inclined to be really emphatic that I'm not a pedo.

- I'm damned if I do damned if I don't. If I avoid talking about child molestation. Then some will think I'm hiding something. A strong denial, and people like you feel I'm doing a hard sell. While for others if my denial isn't strong enough then they'd feel I'm hiding something.

I suppose I am mostly at fault for using the same premiss. Boiled down, I am concerned that the authorities would be biased towards looking at me based on my brother's crimes. Now, if I were in my early 20's, going to college parties. In those circumstances I'd been leaning towards being worried about someone being raped at a party and having the finger pointed at me. If I were going out to dance clubs, in that environment I'd be worried about being suspected if a shooting were to occur. As my life is now, I'm not going to clubs, not going to frat parties but I am spending time with friends that have kids. It's mostly about what the potential crimes that could happen in the environments I frequent. A friend having things stolen during a dinner party would be another thing I'd be concerned with.

I'm not worried about crimes that happen in Texas, but ones in the town where I live? Yeah, my brothers actions have made me paranoid that I'll be suspected by neighbors based on my brothers past.

How was that? Too strong? Not strong enough? Do I need some jokes?

 
'dgreen said:
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far.

I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.

Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.
You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
I think you're misreading his concern. He's concerned that he'll be accused of being pedo simply because of his family history.
:goodposting: Or any crime really. My bad for not explaining that clearly.
 
'culdeus said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.
How so? Unless there are other victims they didn't find.
I'm hoping the police department contacted other departments and they looked through their old cases for crime scenes where a futon mattress was missing and found none.
 
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far.

I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.

Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.
You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
This is what happens when using this type of medium. People will make assumptions with very little to go on. Some will assume since two of my brothers were so bad, then there has to be some skeleton I'm hiding. Try to be aware, that reading through this thread is much different than the writing I'm doing. Reading it, when I go back to a subject or train of thought it cam seem like I'm making a hard sell. In writing responses, I'm taking each post more as an individual entity than someone reading through would. People miss stuff either because they are skimming, or I didn't convey the thoughts well enough. So repetition occurs.

Add onto that the following:

- The Sandusky stuff is really fresh in people's minds. So I am inclined to be really emphatic that I'm not a pedo.

- I'm damned if I do damned if I don't. If I avoid talking about child molestation. Then some will think I'm hiding something. A strong denial, and people like you feel I'm doing a hard sell. While for others if my denial isn't strong enough then they'd feel I'm hiding something.

I suppose I am mostly at fault for using the same premiss. Boiled down, I am concerned that the authorities would be biased towards looking at me based on my brother's crimes. Now, if I were in my early 20's, going to college parties. In those circumstances I'd been leaning towards being worried about someone being raped at a party and having the finger pointed at me. If I were going out to dance clubs, in that environment I'd be worried about being suspected if a shooting were to occur. As my life is now, I'm not going to clubs, not going to frat parties but I am spending time with friends that have kids. It's mostly about what the potential crimes that could happen in the environments I frequent. A friend having things stolen during a dinner party would be another thing I'd be concerned with.

I'm not worried about crimes that happen in Texas, but ones in the town where I live? Yeah, my brothers actions have made me paranoid that I'll be suspected by neighbors based on my brothers past.

How was that? Too strong? Not strong enough? Do I need some jokes?
I'll trade you my sister for your brother with the video collection. :unsure:
 
I suppose I am mostly at fault for using the same premiss. Boiled down, I am concerned that the authorities would be biased towards looking at me based on my brother's crimes. Now, if I were in my early 20's, going to college parties. In those circumstances I'd been leaning towards being worried about someone being raped at a party and having the finger pointed at me. If I were going out to dance clubs, in that environment I'd be worried about being suspected if a shooting were to occur. As my life is now, I'm not going to clubs, not going to frat parties but I am spending time with friends that have kids. It's mostly about what the potential crimes that could happen in the environments I frequent. A friend having things stolen during a dinner party would be another thing I'd be concerned with.
This seems perfectly logical. It must suck to live like that. Sorry man
 
'omally said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.
The Raleigh police department originally had little to go on. Coincidentally there were two peepers at the time, but they thought there was just one, and the one they caught wasn't a DNA match. They had a composite sketch that looked nothing like Planten. They had all types of accounts with various descriptions of various people. They really should have canvased neighboring apartments at the time, but didn't. What broke the case open was the lead detective retired, and another took over. A guy they called the "garbage man". He went through everything. This was three years after the murder, and he read all reports, and reinterviewed people, and discovered there was a tall thin guy who walked a large dark dog, and wore a hoodie and sunglasses, and was seen around the complex several times prior to the murder, and then disappeared afterwards. The detective made this public, and calls came in, which led to the neighbor who saw a man with a dog peek into Stephanie's window and run through the woods towards another apartment complex just two or three weeks before the murder. Why this person never came forward with this information when the murder happened was never said. The detective went to this other apartment complex, and got the name Drew Planten based on the description of him and his dog. Planten became his person of interest, and it turned out he was the guy. The arrest of Planten led police to another murder in Michigan, and possible others. Murders aren't always easy to solve, but they did solve Stephanie's and the young lady in Michigan. Who knows if there were more.
I've read many times that the composite sketch wasn't accurate. I always felt it was pretty close. The problem was they assumed short hair. When witnesses saw him with a hoodie.I have no clue why the canvasing wasn't larger. My mom told me when she helped Drew move from that apartment, he had her stop by a dumpster, the kind used by builders for demolition scrap. The dumpster was kind of out of the way, yet still in the neighborhood of the complexes. She says he hopped into the dumpster, and came back out without anything a few minutes later. She remembers it because she thought it was odd that he had a big grin on his face after he got out of the dumpster. My suspicion is that is where he dumped the ligature.
 
'omally said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.
The Raleigh police department originally had little to go on. Coincidentally there were two peepers at the time, but they thought there was just one, and the one they caught wasn't a DNA match. They had a composite sketch that looked nothing like Planten. They had all types of accounts with various descriptions of various people. They really should have canvased neighboring apartments at the time, but didn't. What broke the case open was the lead detective retired, and another took over. A guy they called the "garbage man". He went through everything. This was three years after the murder, and he read all reports, and reinterviewed people, and discovered there was a tall thin guy who walked a large dark dog, and wore a hoodie and sunglasses, and was seen around the complex several times prior to the murder, and then disappeared afterwards. The detective made this public, and calls came in, which led to the neighbor who saw a man with a dog peek into Stephanie's window and run through the woods towards another apartment complex just two or three weeks before the murder. Why this person never came forward with this information when the murder happened was never said. The detective went to this other apartment complex, and got the name Drew Planten based on the description of him and his dog. Planten became his person of interest, and it turned out he was the guy. The arrest of Planten led police to another murder in Michigan, and possible others. Murders aren't always easy to solve, but they did solve Stephanie's and the young lady in Michigan. Who knows if there were more.
I've read many times that the composite sketch wasn't accurate. I always felt it was pretty close. The problem was they assumed short hair. When witnesses saw him with a hoodie.I have no clue why the canvasing wasn't larger. My mom told me when she helped Drew move from that apartment, he had her stop by a dumpster, the kind used by builders for demolition scrap. The dumpster was kind of out of the way, yet still in the neighborhood of the complexes. She says he hopped into the dumpster, and came back out without anything a few minutes later. She remembers it because she thought it was odd that he had a big grin on his face after he got out of the dumpster. My suspicion is that is where he dumped the ligature.
Does your mom admit to herself that Drew was the killer?
 
'JerseyToughGuys said:
Get to the space aliens part. That's my favorite.
Here goes.The reason I was coaxed to make this thread was someone in the "Recently Viewed Movie" thread made an argument that Hayden Christensen's acting might not have been as bad as many think. I agreed that it is possible. I feel Hayden's Anakin to had mannerisms similar to my brother Drew.And Drew once threw my Greedo down a storm drain.That's the best I've got. :tinfoilhat:
 
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'JerseyToughGuys said:
Get to the space aliens part. That's my favorite.
Here goes.The reason I was coaxed to make this thread was someone in the "Recently Viewed Movie" thread made an argument that Hayden Christensen's acting might not have been as bad as many think. I agreed that it is possible. I feel Hayden's Anakin to had mannerisms similar to my brother Drew.

And Drew once threw my Greedo down a storm drain.

That's the best I've got. :tinfoilhat:
That should have been the first sign. I'm just saying.
 
'Oracle said:
'ODoyleRules said:
You seem to have spent a lot of energy looking for a moment when your brother was abused or affected that would have been the catalyst for all of this. Don't you think it's possible that he was just born with different wiring that caused his actions?

Lots of people have upbringings similar to your family and not all of them are prone to murder (including yourself and your other brothers). I obviously don't know the first thing about you or your family but I'm just surprised that you have an interest in psychology and yet you don't chalk up his actions up to mental illness.
I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like Socially Awkward Penguin.
That link is hilarious. Although it's clear to me now that I'm socially awkward
:lmao: I do way too many of those things.
OMG... If I were wearing a tux, I'd be the poster child for that site.
:bag:
 
'Henry Ford said:
Something I wonder - do you feel like you'd recognize this in other people? With the benefit of hindsight and the experience of knowing/living with your brother and with the amount of time and energy you've obviously spent trying to come to grips with this, is it your opinion that if you spent a substantial amount of time with a serial killer you'd just "know" he/she is that kind of person at this point?I ask because I'd imagine it's pretty tough to trust people these days. I wonder how you've dealt with that issue.
I don't know. I've always been very analytical of people. And like most analytical types, I think I'm right more often than wrong. As to that perception being false or not I don't know, haven't kept score.I do know I have a friend that has a nephew that even pictures of the kid raise hairs on the back of my neck. I get a bad feeling about that kid. I stay away from him.It's kinda hypocritical of me, but I rather be wrong and alive than dead and right. Maybe I should give him candy all the time, so if he goes on a shooting spree when he's older, he'll see me and be like :thumbup: "Thanks for the candy." and pass me by.
 
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'Ned said:
'Buck Bradcanon said:
Evil Next Door book on the topic that netnalp mentioned previously.
netnalp - you mentioned a specific piece of this book. Have you read the entire thing? That's quite amazing that you'd be able to read it. Is it worth the read?
Yes, I read it. It's probably the most accurate and detailed source I've read. The main concern I had prior to reading it was that it might demonize my mom. It didn't so I'm cool with it. As I mentioned before, I can't believe the Police Profiler did interviews. He was wrong so often and it's obvious in the book. I think he was a major factor in causing the initial investigation to go in the wrong direction.
 
'netnalp said:
'Chadstroma said:
'Parmcat said:
Just read this whole thread....Thank you for sharing.....facinating, in a wierd, sad way.Drew really sounds like a Narcissistic Sociopath. I think it is very very odd to have 2 members of one family be peepers also. Was there ever any speculation at all of any abuse towards the brothers by anyone...family or not?I am also impressed by your strength!
Reading through the thread the one thing that has struck me was the narcissism. I suppose the lack of or inability to have empathy for others is a prerequisite for being a murderer. netnalp, do you agree that your brother was narcissistic? Did you know about his intense jealousy and view that you were favored as a child or was that only revealed later as in the response to the letter talking about throwing the logs into the car, etc? Have you thought about writing a book on the subject?
Yes, I would say he was narcissistic. But he kept it internally. He wouldn't vocalize that he felt upset emotionally. When he talked of fairness it was always about material things. It was like a business transaction. He'd get loud and angry to get his way but he wouldn't cry and act sad about it. I believe that would be showing weakness.His jealousy always seemed to be there. My brothers and I have discussed the "fairness" of treatment. We agree mom was equally attentive and caring. With my dad it was more who bore the brunt of his physical and mental abuse. Attention from dad was a bad thing. The oldest two feel I got the worst of it. I feel the oldest got the worst. And what is telling to me is that Drew was the only one that named himself as getting the worst. Especially when the older two brother and I agree that Drew got the least amount of negative attention from our father. I wish I'd have known back then, I'd have gladly shared some of dad's attention with Drew.
I wonder if there was some form of guilt in that he did not get the attention of Dad as the rest of you did. Or maybe that just is not in the cards if he was narcissistic and that he just thought he deserved more. Looking back, do you see any times that maybe you or other family members could have been a victim or at least he thought about it (other than the father and the time he let you out of the house)? Is there a point where you think the whole murder thing clicked with him or do you think it was just building up over this life?
 
Holy #### that penguin meme is scary accurate. I forget people's names pretty much immediately. Not to derail. Sorry. But I am just amazed by the thing. :bag: :bag: :bag:

 

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