Jeff Walcoff, of ClevelandBrowns.com, reports Cleveland Browns QB Charlie Frye says the offense has improved over last season and is "night and day" in comparison. Frye said the Browns familiarity with the system has allowed them to expand the offense, "We have a lot more stuff in, a lot more personnel groupings. We have TE Kellen Winslow. I think you'll see an exciting offense when the season starts."
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cleveland was the lowest scoring offense last year. not sure how they can be a disappointment.
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I took Droughns over FWP.
Ronnie Mack
Footballguy
hey cleveland rocks!
chris1969
Footballguy
Expect alot of offensive shifts & 2 TE sets. They'll use Harrison like the Saints will use Bush. Pass plays in the redzone will go to 6' 3" Edwards, 6' 4" KWII, 6' 5" Joe Jurevicius or 6' 5" Heiden. The FB will be much more involved in the passing game. I'm pretty freakin excited too! Now lets see if they execute.
Big Score
Footballguy
Agreed with Frye being avg to below avg so far. Haven't seen enough of him yet though.Agreed on avg to maybe slightly above avg back.
O'line with Bentley being IR'ed
On the WR's, I thought Joe Jurevicious was going to be the top guy while they eased Edwards back.
KW II - who knows?
The downside for them is the division they play in.
Facing Steelers, Cincy & Baltimore twice, is not a cake walk for any offense, let alone Clevelands.
chris1969
Footballguy
Man! I'm getting freakin tired of updating everybody on the difference between the Browns now and month ago.First off Edwards will play Saturday. Northcutt would have been Wr #1 if Edwards wasn't ready week 1. The Browns have picked up 3 centers in the last 2 weeks that all appear better than Jeff Faine.Agreed with Frye being avg to below avg so far. Haven't seen enough of him yet though.Agreed on avg to maybe slightly above avg back.
O'line with Bentley being IR'ed
On the WR's, I thought Joe Jurevicious was going to be the top guy while they eased Edwards back.
KW II - who knows?
The downside for them is the division they play in.
Facing Steelers, Cincy & Baltimore twice, is not a cake walk for any offense, let alone Clevelands.
I'll give you the defensive thing though in the division, but they're not facing anything tougher than last year in the division.
Big Score
Footballguy
Sorry dude. Wasn't trying to make you tired. :( From what I see you writing about the WR's, Northcutt was / is the #1 WR. If Edwards is able to play week 1, then he'll be WR #1 or #2 depending on how well the knee responds?Man! I'm getting freakin tired of updating everybody on the difference between the Browns now and month ago.First off Edwards will play Saturday. Northcutt would have been Wr #1 if Edwards wasn't ready week 1. The Browns have picked up 3 centers in the last 2 weeks that all appear better than Jeff Faine.Agreed with Frye being avg to below avg so far. Haven't seen enough of him yet though.Agreed on avg to maybe slightly above avg back.
O'line with Bentley being IR'ed
On the WR's, I thought Joe Jurevicious was going to be the top guy while they eased Edwards back.
KW II - who knows?
The downside for them is the division they play in.
Facing Steelers, Cincy & Baltimore twice, is not a cake walk for any offense, let alone Clevelands.
I'll give you the defensive thing though in the division, but they're not facing anything tougher than last year in the division.
What you're saying though, tells me that Joe Jurevicious is their WR #3?
I honestly did not know that.
I'm well aware that the Browns are scrambling to find a Center. After all, they're trying to find a replacement for Bentley and Bob Hallen.
I agree with you that whatever guy they eventually settle on will more than likely be an improvement over Faine, but that's not saying much, is it?
Of the three - Alonzo Ephraim {suspended the first four games for violating the leagues substance abuse policy}, Ross Tucker & Lennie Friedman, who do you see as being their starter at Center?
DO you have examples to back this up.
In all honesty if cleveland had a decent passing attack Droughns would be a late 1st early 2nd rd RB. I think he runs hard and has a great 1st cut. I live to the neighboring city just East and I'd love Droughns to be on our squad. That being said Droughns will probably blow out his knee because he is a bright spot for the browns. They have more bad luck then any other team in the NFL. I actually feel sorry and take pitty on the browns. I feel bad for there loyal fans.
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chris1969
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Well Big Score, it's not really you. It's just I keep hearing the same morons that don't watch a game act like they know what they are talking about. There are still guys on this board saying Edwards won't play till week 6. I signed up for FBG July 22 and I still hear the same crap as when I started. There are still guys that think Green has a really good shot at being the #2 back. One of my first posts was to tell everybody to watch out for Harrison vulturing carries from Droughns. Nobody listened. In the Braylon Edwards spotlight thread, I said Edwards would play week 2. Nobody listened. (He plays on Saturday) I'm saying right now that KWII is a top 5 TE and no one will listen. Add about 8 or 9 Steelers fans that hate a guy named BGP that will trash every thread a Browns fan starts and it gets you really ticked off. Not for the fact that they don't agree with me on the Browns, but the fact that I'm relying on them for the reports for the other teams. I don't know how many of these numbnuts to believe on anything other than the guys that get paid to be here. Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns. Although they gave up on Jacobs too easy at QB, they'll realize in a year or 2 they have 1 of the better back-ups in the league.
About the centers...
Ephraim and Tucker both look great! In fact much better then I ever thought we could get on the market. We'll see on Friedman, but I'm confident if he doesn't pan out, we're ok at center. Our OL will be better this year.
Northcutt is actually the #3 guy in Cleveland. He would only play #1 if Edwards is out. Savage is actually smart enough to realize that JJ at #2 is written in the bible. In fact the book of Warfield Chapter 3 verse 2 states "Thou shall not screw up your over the middle guy and first down maker.
I'm really hyped to see the Browns new offense. There will be lots of shifts and motions and they will get mismatches more often than not. That should make Frye's job much easier!
About the centers...
Ephraim and Tucker both look great! In fact much better then I ever thought we could get on the market. We'll see on Friedman, but I'm confident if he doesn't pan out, we're ok at center. Our OL will be better this year.
Northcutt is actually the #3 guy in Cleveland. He would only play #1 if Edwards is out. Savage is actually smart enough to realize that JJ at #2 is written in the bible. In fact the book of Warfield Chapter 3 verse 2 states "Thou shall not screw up your over the middle guy and first down maker.
I'm really hyped to see the Browns new offense. There will be lots of shifts and motions and they will get mismatches more often than not. That should make Frye's job much easier!
Big Score
Footballguy
Thanks for the clarification on Jurevicious & heads up on the Center chris1969. 
Oh! Stick around these boards for awhile and you'll figure out which posters to pay particular attention to when they're dropping knowledge on their team.
There's some guys here who really know their stuff. It's a little late now, but the off season is the best time to quickly figure out who knows what.
Oh! Stick around these boards for awhile and you'll figure out which posters to pay particular attention to when they're dropping knowledge on their team.
There's some guys here who really know their stuff. It's a little late now, but the off season is the best time to quickly figure out who knows what.
"He'll get hurt" Nostradamus
The Jerk
Footballguy
Dumb Steeler fans like me would probably feel more comfortable utilizing your Browns insights if you reported any area of weakness or concern on this offense -- or for that matter the entire team. Maybe it's me, but all positives and no negatives make it hard to believe that someone is being objective.Specifically, I'm curious about Winslow. You stated strongly that he is a top 5 TE in 2006. To finish Top 5, he will need to exceed 800 yards, 6 TDs or most likely both. Apparently, you have no concerns about the OL injuries forcing him to stay in and block more than desired. There must also be no concern about his ability to physically handle a 16-game season. Finally, there must be no concern about a QB with 165 pro passing attempts, and whose numbers will likely be around 3000 yards for the season and barely one TD pass per game.So Winslow will need to capture 25-30% of the receiving yards and 35-40% of the TDs this season to hit the Top 5. It's possible, but I doubt this is a common occurrence at TE. Maybe someone has data on this.Please understand that I am open to the idea of drafting Winslow. I think he is worth a flier and I plan to target him at my drafts. I'm not trashing the Browns -- I'm just trying to figure out why the issues I raised above are not concerns to you. Convince me I'm wrong to be skeptical, especially concerning Winslow.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
You should use this (as needed):"Manage your ignored users"
Can eliminate pain before it starts...As for this post, believe me when I say I'm a CLE homer (living in CO now though), but our team has A LOT to prove to both the casual NFL fan and the devoted FF'ers before we start running ANY smack. Nice to hear that Frye is getting more comfortable w/ the O, and good to see BE and KWII back. But lets see some games w/ live bullets before we go putting KW in the top 5 TEs. Possible, sure. Probable, not really (at least this season). Here's hoping I'm wrong on that one. 
This team should look better on Offense, though it would have really been nice to see Bentley anchoring the line, but $@#! happens. They can't do much worse than last yr., so here's to praying for a #20ish O to go with what could be a top 15 overall D. (Wimbly looks like a STUD thus far) But we are in (what seems like never ending) re-building mode. Give it 2 or 3 yrs. w/ Romeo and hopefully with the rest of the Division aging and losing FAs, we might compete then. I'd be really happy w/ 7-9 this yr.I've got to add the broadcasts on NFLNetwork (via CLE) w/ Bernie and Brian Brennan are brutal. Good guys, but not great in the booth. And also I think that WR quote came from Logan, Book 1, verse 8. 
chris1969
Footballguy
The big thing to worry about with the Brown's Def is injuries. If 2 or even 3 LB's get hurt it won't make a difference. If 1 CB gets hurt, it won't make much of a difference. But.... If a DL or 2 gets hurt we'll probably sink fast. Same thing if 2 CB's get hurt. If we stay healthy, the Browns will be a top 12 Def, even better if your league puts a high priority on points allowed. It's high risk/ high reward, but if your IDP take any Browns LB and you'll be happy, if that LB gets hurt, take his back-up and you'll still be happy. Literally if he's a LB and on the roster, take him if he's playing full time. If any LB the Browns cut is playing FT for a new team, take him and you'll be happy.
Because your defense is usually on the field 2/3 of the game.
chris1969
Footballguy
Well if thats your brainstorm, please explain to me how last year when they had half the team that they do now, that they were one of the best teams on points allowed when their Def was on the field 2/3 of the time.
Irish
Footballguy
Frye is not the answer at qb for the Browns and they will find that out this season. Jacobs sucks and can't pick up the offense. Jacobs was a systems qb in college. I think Edwards when fully healthy is a difference maker for the Browns, but you are dreamin if you think the guys that they trot out there at C are any good. Don't forget that the Browns lost their best wr last yr in Bryant.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
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Mungo Burrows
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A few clarifications - BGP usually deserves all the crap they give him, and it often results in some of the most entertaining threads on the board.Yes most of the steelers fans around here are annoying, and they have become insufferable after XL, but most of the ones who pummel BGP (e.g., nightshift, evilgrin, ahrn city, the jerk, and many others i'm forgetting) really do seem to know their stuff.You really do seem to have a 'rose-colored beer goggles' view of your browns. The truth (As usual) probably lies somewhere between the extremes.
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A lot of them should be banned, plain and simple.See, here's the thing. Its good to air a lot of unconventional views on a forum. That enriches a forum and makes it special. What's bad is having a bunch of tools running rampant on a forum, deciding they don't like unconventional views, and trying to intimidate them. Those tools doing that should be banned from the society, I don't care how much football they know.
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schaef2k
Footballguy
How do you know Frye is not the answer? He started 5 games as a rookie with an already weak line that was wiped out by injury. How many rookie QBs look good in their first 5 games? Is Alex Smith the answer for SF? He sucked it up bad last year.Who the hell is Jacobs?As far as center goes, Ross Tucker did a great job last presean game. No he's not Bentley but he is no worse than Faine and doesn't get shoved 3 yds into the backfield on passing plays.The offense is not going to blow anyone out but could very well be an average O by the end of the season. Just keeping the D off the field for 2/3 of the game will help this team big time in the W/L area.
Browns Rule!
Footballguy
WHAT?!?! You have got to be kidding? Northcutt stinks, and is the most inconsistent player on the roster, and your saying these scrub centers are better than Faine?????? Word is Faine is anchoring the line in New Orleans so far.Man! I'm getting freakin tired of updating everybody on the difference between the Browns now and month ago.First off Edwards will play Saturday. Northcutt would have been Wr #1 if Edwards wasn't ready week 1. The Browns have picked up 3 centers in the last 2 weeks that all appear better than Jeff Faine.Agreed with Frye being avg to below avg so far. Haven't seen enough of him yet though.Agreed on avg to maybe slightly above avg back.
O'line with Bentley being IR'ed
On the WR's, I thought Joe Jurevicious was going to be the top guy while they eased Edwards back.
KW II - who knows?
The downside for them is the division they play in.
Facing Steelers, Cincy & Baltimore twice, is not a cake walk for any offense, let alone Clevelands.
I'll give you the defensive thing though in the division, but they're not facing anything tougher than last year in the division.
Browns Rule!
Footballguy
From a realistic fans view, our offense is going to be much like the Super Bowl winning Ravens offense from a few years ago.
#1. Our defense is going to suprise, don't jump all over me for this, but it very well could be top 5 this season.
#2. The offense will be told not to lose the game. Droughns will get a ton of touches again, and when we pass, it will be dink and dunk crap. Frye's job will be to keep the chains moving and not make mistakes. If he can do this, and they can score a few points a game, the defense will be able to win the game. The key here is the defense can't be on the field 45 minutes a game, if so, they will get tired and teams will beat them in the 4th quarter.
#3. Expect all Browns games to be low scoring, 7-3, scores like this.
As a fan, I think we could be 16-0 this season, realistically looking from outside the box, I think 9-7 is very possible, but so is 4-12, just whoever pulls the game out at the end, if we get the breaks, we have a good chance to win, if not, a good chance to lose.
#1. Our defense is going to suprise, don't jump all over me for this, but it very well could be top 5 this season.
#2. The offense will be told not to lose the game. Droughns will get a ton of touches again, and when we pass, it will be dink and dunk crap. Frye's job will be to keep the chains moving and not make mistakes. If he can do this, and they can score a few points a game, the defense will be able to win the game. The key here is the defense can't be on the field 45 minutes a game, if so, they will get tired and teams will beat them in the 4th quarter.
#3. Expect all Browns games to be low scoring, 7-3, scores like this.
As a fan, I think we could be 16-0 this season, realistically looking from outside the box, I think 9-7 is very possible, but so is 4-12, just whoever pulls the game out at the end, if we get the breaks, we have a good chance to win, if not, a good chance to lose.
schaef2k
Footballguy
From what I've seen Ross Tucker is doing a good job. He holds his ground well and plays with good technique. He isn't making mistakes.Faine anchoring the line in NO is a PR load IMO. One game sticks out in my mind. Browns vs Oakland, big Ted would drive Faine 3yds into the backfield every pass play. Complete pancakes. Faine lacks the mass and power to stop the big 3-4 tackles. He does well in run blocking though. Faine needs to quit eating that tofoo crap and get some beef in his diet.You don't loose Bentley and then claim Faine is anchoring the line. If this is true the Saints have one sorry ### POS line this year.
Let's put it this way -- Droughns had 1600 combined yards last year. This year the offense is better with Shaffer, Winslow, and Frye not being a rookie. Faine is gone, but he wasn't very good last year, so that shouldn't be much of a dropoff. If Edwards is healthy, the WR corps should be comparable to last year as well.If you keep him around 1600 yards but raise his TDs to a more sensible total -- let's say 6 TDs -- that would place him between RB10 and RB12 in most RB lists.
schaef2k
Footballguy
Lennie Friedman, don't know much about him.
chris1969
Footballguy
Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns. Although they gave up on Jacobs too easy at QB, they'll realize in a year or 2 they have 1 of the better back-ups in the league. Not sure where I called the Steelers guys dumb there. It all comes down to selective listening I guess. If you read any of my posts on the on the Browns OL or DL, you'll see that depth is our biggest problem and depth overall on Defense other than LB is a huge problem.
I'll restate me reasons yet again why KWII will be top 5...
1) The offense will be designed to get him the football, the Browns are counting on mismatches on KW that will arise from formation shifts and motions.
2) Young QB's check down to RB's and TE's alot.
3) KWII spent the offseason working with Frye.
4) He has the most athletic ability of any TE I've seen in my life.
I really don't think that 800 yards and 5 TDs will be a huge challenge with this guy.
I'll restate me reasons yet again why KWII will be top 5...
1) The offense will be designed to get him the football, the Browns are counting on mismatches on KW that will arise from formation shifts and motions.
2) Young QB's check down to RB's and TE's alot.
3) KWII spent the offseason working with Frye.
4) He has the most athletic ability of any TE I've seen in my life.
I really don't think that 800 yards and 5 TDs will be a huge challenge with this guy.
BigRed
Footballguy
Nope I drafted him. I think if the D is respectable, the ball-control O could be as well. Droughns could surprise a lot of people FF-wise IMO. Winslow might, although I suspect a real hot-n-cold kind of year with final stats that are "pretty good" - Edwards will struggle more as he comes back from the injury IMO.
Forgot to add -- defense looks like a top 10-15 unit, so the offense will be on the field a bit more than last year.
Todem
Footballguy
Jerome Harrison is a special talent. Guy flew under the rader in the draft and teams are gonna wish they took a shot with this burner. Kid works very hard and has NFL speed and wiggle. Also great hands. Tiki like talent in the making IMO.
He may be the biggest suprise this season and compliment Droughns very well. Thunder and lightning.
He may be the biggest suprise this season and compliment Droughns very well. Thunder and lightning.
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
Alonzo Ephraim wil be out of the league soon. He is a rapist and now he has drug problems. He has zero idea of what it takes to follow rules.
midnightxxxx
Footballguy
In a 100 league I paid 2 dollars for Kellen Winslow and 1 dollar for Braylon Edwards. I am ecstatic at the value these 2 players give my squad for the prices actualy paid. It is a dynasty keep 5 league with a 100 cap on spending.
Show me another combination of 3 dollars that gives the same value and I will be impressed if it has the upside potential even with all the negative injury factors involved.
Show me another combination of 3 dollars that gives the same value and I will be impressed if it has the upside potential even with all the negative injury factors involved.
Northcutt does what they need him to do. You can go back a long ways with him and find him coming thru when a better WR was hurt. He's a reliable NFL backup. Last time I checked, he was doing pretty well this offseason while JJ and Braylon were hurt and the rookies were being rookies. Rideau, last year's preseason gem has stunk but Fris has done well.Hard to find someone to compare him to but I guess he's not so unlike Troy Brown in New England. Not a starter but he's there if they need him. If Branch holds out into the season, I don't care if Troy is 5th on the depth chart, he'll get catches and a few 1st downs. When Branch returns, we'll barely hear from the guy unless he's gotta play CB or somesuch.
The Jerk
Footballguy
BGP,Given your political postings, you are one of the least likely posters on this board to misunderstand the difference between freedom of speech and freedom from the responsibility of your comments.
See, here's the thing. Its good to air a lot of unconventional views on a forum. That enriches a forum and makes it special. What's bad is having a bunch of tools running rampant on a forum, deciding they don't like unconventional views, and trying to intimidate them. Those tools doing that should be banned from the society, I don't care how much football they know.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinions, both conventional and unconventional. You can say basically anything you want on this board as long as it fits FBGs regulations. Unconventional comments can be a kickstart to interesting discussions between people of differing opinions. However, calling all of your controversial views exclusively unconventional is disingenuous. Many of your posts directed at the Steelers are provocative, and a large percentage become purely disparaging. I like to give most posters the benefit of the doubt, but you have earned the distinction of not having that classification.
The reality is that you have repeatedly attacked and belittled the Steelers and their accomplishments since I returned to this board last September after a few years away. Through a combination of untruths (Seahawks OL owned the Steelers DL in SB XL), parsed statistics (non-normalized yards per point), and simple provocations (i.e, bad karma), you have intentionally stirred the pot, then feigned shock and perplexity that Steeler fans have the nerve to respond in kind. Best of all, you are either unwilling or unable to answer legitimate questions that are posed when they disagree with your views. Apparently, you are allowed to post views that disagree with convention, but others are not allowed to post responses that disagree with you. How convenient! And hypocritical.
Concerning the types of posts you like and their responses...
1. Seahawks line owned the Steelers DL: most if all responses were not personal, rather indivduals posted that Hasselbeck had his lowest completion percentage of the season, Alexander was held well below his average yards per carry, weekly average yards from scrimmage, and out of the endzone etc. Your response: none
2. non-normalized yards per point: You predicted the Steelers would lose virtually every playoff game due to your pet statistic: offensive and defensive yards per point. I specifically first engaged you on this topic prior to the Super Bowl. At the time, I expected collegial discussion being unaware of your Steeler envy. My initial post suggested that the strength of schedule should be factored into these statistics. Seems reasonable that a team playing far easier competition than another would have artificially better statistics. You rattled on and on about the accuracy of your theory. Which was fine. However, after the Super Bowl you were not mature enough to admit that you were incorrect.
3. bad karma: Even by your standards, calling this an unconventional post is a stretch. Clearly, you wanted to take another shot at the Steelers and provoke Steeler fans to respond.
Eventually, by the law of averages, you will be right on one of these issues. I doubt you will be as absent then as you have been now when all of your theories and predictions have been shown to be incorrect.
But why should I -- a known Steeler fan -- be trusted on these issues. And why stick exclusively to football, when there's a whole world out there. Let's bring in a neutral party, New Englander bostonfred:
The Jerk
Footballguy
Normally, I would feel like a terrible human being to be acknowledged as "pummeling" another poster, but in BGP's case, I wear it as a badge of honor. Thanks, MB.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I know that I've been as guilty as anyone, but it really is pretty crappy that 75% of threads about either the Steelers or the Browns come down to BGP-talk.
I have a simple solution: Give him his own forum.
I have a simple solution: Give him his own forum.
heckmanm
Footballguy
All the little chicks with the crimson lips seem to think so
I have a real simple solution - just start banning the tools that keep trying to bait everyone by launching personal attacks.Its really obvious that it isn't me because the posters who keep doing it also attack a lot of other posters as well. No one really wants to read that crap. I might be the biggest lightning rod for these tools because I won't let them walk all over me.I mean my god, I had one guy "call me out" to go visit another thread where someone was apparently launching personal attacks on me. And then Capella sweeps in with a good posting. Its freaking priceless - its like 6th graders. These people are tools. Get them out of here.I know that I've been as guilty as anyone, but it really is pretty crappy that 75% of threads about either the Steelers or the Browns come down to BGP-talk. I have a simple solution: Give him his own forum.
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The Jerk
Footballguy
BGP, If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.Super Bowl XL program $15Super Bowl XL shirt $20BGP referring to OTHERS as tools who compose baiting posts = PRICELESSAlso, kudos for your continued effort to try to get the moderators to ban the posters who hold you accountable for what you write.I have a real simple solution - just start banning the tools that keep trying to bait everyone by launching personal attacks.Its really obvious that it isn't me because the posters who keep doing it also attack a lot of other posters as well. No one really wants to read that crap. I might be the biggest lightning rod for these tools because I won't let them walk all over me.I mean my god, I had one guy "call me out" to go visit another thread where someone was apparently launching personal attacks on me. And then Capella sweeps in with a good posting. Its freaking priceless - its like 6th graders. These people are tools. Get them out of here.I know that I've been as guilty as anyone, but it really is pretty crappy that 75% of threads about either the Steelers or the Browns come down to BGP-talk. I have a simple solution: Give him his own forum.
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