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To me it's not that they are 0-3, but that they have looked completely inept doing it. They don't have a rushing TD in like 9 games. They have 1 passing TD in that same stretch, but 18 INTs. It's just pathetic that the offense and defense look so bad. I wasn't even asking for wins, but just to be competitive.
Depends what happens during practice this week. Mangini is gong to have his work cut out for him keeping this team from collapsing.
You were not alone. He was horrendous. Completely whiffed on one of the Ravens big runs, when he launched himself at the blocker as McGahee cruised by.Did anybody else notice how bad Eric Barton looked today? Not that he was the only one, but he stood out to me today. Several missed tackles, a pass that went right past him and just generally being out of position. Maybe I was the only one.
I'd feel alot better if we were more competitive. But, it's not like the other 0-3 teams have been very competitive either besides Tennessee and maybe Miami.Still, there is still a chance to salvage the season and see improvement. Not only will Mangini have alot to do with it, so will the players and veterans especially.
He's not the only one who thinks poorly of Mangini.Quitting seems possible as Browns join NFL's worst
Me too...but I don't even think Cowher wants to put on his hero boots to come here.
first i read they were complaining he was going through his reads too quickly. then i read he was holding onto the ball too long.wtf?oh, and i also love that DA is supposed to have the rocket cannon arm, but then " I just didn't get enough air on the ball on the [deep] one to Braylon."wtf?
His #1 runs lazy routes that help contribute to throwing picks, I'd be hesitant to throw to him too.His #2 is a special teamer out of place at WR.
If I were him I wouldn't.Besides, that Carolina job he's had his eyes on is looking more and more likely it will be available.
I'll buy on all of the above. I'm suspicious on the playcalling for Quinn. I think it's a gameplan that's destined to fail.
BothDawgPoundNJ said:
s and pretty much what I think. I don't think Quinn needs to be reckless. Then he just becomes DA. What Quinn might need is the backing of his coaches telling him that taking some chances is not the same as making poor decisions. I don't think this has happened.
Talent aside... What I don't get is this - With the Jets Mangini was considered hamstrung by not being able to get one of "his" DC's behind him and they stuck with Bob Sutton... Now, he finally has Rob Ryan.If I'm a guy like Mangini heading into my last chance for a while as a HC, I do everything I can to get a top OC to come with me.... Answer me this... WTF is Brian Dabol????? I know little about him as a man or coach but, the years alone don't add up to enough hard NFL experience when you read his Wiki page.... He started in 2000 as a Defensive assistant. Coached WR"s a few years and the QB's for a few years... Does the guy even have a system? Sheesh, I'd want some Offensive guru on my side even if it were from the college ranks.How can this Daboll kid knock your socks off in an interview with Offensive wizardry????DawgPoundNJ said:
Interview? He came with Mangini from the Jets. This guy was handed the job I bet. They ate pizza at his interview. I couldn't even pick him out of a lineup. WTF does he look like?There's been alot of blame put on OCs over the years here. I'm finding it very hard to give this guy much more of a chance. But then that's part of the problem....all we do is change.
I was actually trying to help. Thanks for the kind words. I was actually considering feeling sorry for Browns fans. Enjoy the season.
Eric Barton has been embarrassingly bad, Abe Elam too, Josh Cribbs is not an NFL WR, and John St. Clair has been worse than all of them. I'd say all of that is beyond a doubt Mangini's fault. We can debate others, but those can't be argued imho.
Barton- AgreedElam's has his moments, but overall has been solid, imo.
That wasn't a rant at you, more at the author and Florio. Sorry it came across that way.
Cool. And I can't help but feel sorry for Browns fans at this point. Brutal. Just brutal.I think the players should fine Mangini $1700 for each horrendous coaching move.
or right before the game. that worked last time.Mangini waiting til Wednesday to name starting QB. Why not just wait til Saturday?
I understood that Davis was number 2 behind Lewis, but the game proved that incorrect. Is Davis still hurt or is Harrison the handcuff here?
Harrison is and always has been the #2, and anyone who thought Davis would be the #2 was terribly misinformed. All the preseason hype about Davis was completely unwarranted.Sorry for the rough response but this is a sore spot for me. I posted about this weeks ago and many people were like you don't know what you're talking about, Davis is going to be big this year.
There's going to be a full stadium of pissed off Browns fans come Sunday. If we thought the Baltimore game was embarrassing... wait till Sunday. It's going to make the crowd cheering while DA is hurt look like a picnic.i can see the crowd booing them after they fall behind the Bengals this sunday.this could be epically bad.
Thank you for your passionate response. I believe you. Another site states, "Davis, a sixth-round selection in April's draft, was rated by some draft analysts as a 2008 first-round pick had he entered that draft. The rookie showed off that kind of talent in the preseason by averaging 7.8 yards per carry and leading the Browns in rushing. He couldn't have a worse matchup for his first start against the league's best run defense, however, any signs of productivity from Davis may provide enough push to get him more involved in the offense going forward." Harrison was mentioned as potentially splitting carries. Your assertion that I don't know what I am talking about is misplaced since I did not claim any information to be fact other than what I understood, and, subsequently, that what I had understood was likely incorrect in light of the last week's respective performances by the players in question. If I had claimed that Davis was going to be big, was number 2 and had been and should be all along, then you would rightly opined that "many people were like you [me] don't know what you're [i'm] talking about, Davis is going to be big this year." I suggested nothing.
With this announcement, it is going to be a f'ing circus down there on Sunday.I can't wait.i'll stick to the Oktoberfest. Nosferatu and i don't get along.wadegarrett said:Can't wait for the tailgate Sunday...always the best part of the day!
ETA: And Nosferatu just hit the shelves.
i've always kind of liked Kitna.not at 37 though.
20 quarters of football over 2 years is not an opportunity.
Quinn's situation reminds me of Penington's before he left the Jets, how they said he couldn't throw 15 yards and the defenses all cheated up. Well, as soon as he got to Miami, it didn't matter as much. What do Penington and Quinn have in common? Mangini, that terrible coach! Every week I hate him more! What are the chances, he'll get fired after this year? You know, the browns weren't that bad last year but they are truly terrible this year!
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