amnesiac
beer is good
that Defensive End that played for the Buckeyes that's transitioning to OLB for the Jets? sure.
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BROWNS THREAD 2009 4 GAME WIN STREAK! (1 Viewer)
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eric rymer
Footballguy
Please, please, please go sign Gibril Wilson. 
No way he should have been cut in Oakland. He can step in right away and help.
No way he should have been cut in Oakland. He can step in right away and help.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Even though I quoted you, I was referring to Mangini's statment that you quoted where he said "I would never draft a guy that's [just] a pass rusher."amnesiac said:
Reaper
Footballguy
WHY do people say this???????amnesiac said:
This guy was projected as a 1st round pick a good chunk of the year while racking up 14 sacks.....
I just don't get the hate for this guy and for the matter Mangini in some circles...
Get ready Cleveland fans, Fans out there just have it out for Mangini - Profootballtalk and Pats fans especially.
I personally didn't want to draft VG BUT!!!!!! My point all along was I was Ok with it because he was NOT a workout warrior (well, not totaly a combine stud) and the guy actually had success at a top Football factory!!!! 5th all time in sacks. Did he REALLY climb that much after the combine?
It's not like Mangini traded 2 1st round picks for Dewayne Robertson or Draft Demetrius Underwood here - Go back and look at Mangini's 3 drafts with the Jets and I think that body of work can stand next to almost any team's 3 year record.
I think Mangini played a big role in drafting quality FOOTBALL PEOPLE... That's why VG perplexes me so far - people question his commitment and to me it doesn't make sense yet. We'll see.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I agree with this. Gholsten did produce on the field at OSU and was the logical choice based on the Jets need of a pass rushing OLB for their 3-4. I was happy with the pick at the time - sometimes these things just don't work out, and who's to say this one still doesn't have time to turn around.ETA: I also agree with your assesment of the Jet drafts and Mangini in general. I think he had to go based on the late season collapse but wouldn't have been screaming bloddy murder if they did retain him. He's a decent football mind and has some good motivation skills - his downfall was his conservative defenses down the stretch and let's face it, Favre did him no favors.
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Reaper
Footballguy
Jets players have since come out and admitted that Mangini has a GREAT Football Mind.Kerry Jenkins was pretty upset when Mangini was let go. Players like him... A LOTBut, they also admitted he had problems translating what he taught in the classroom to the football field. To me, that can be learned and helped out with assistants and learning to better delegate... It's a FAR CRY from Herm Edwards here. Mangini needs to communicate better - to players, coaches, the media, fans and his bosses....I think one of his best strengths though is finding FOOTBALL PLAYERS in the draft. And NOT taking guys just cuz they are combine studs like people are revising history on with VG.I also think Mangini has a big step up finally getting Ryan to help with the defense as opposed to Sutton in NY. Again, he tried hard for Ryan last year.I was pretty shocked Mangini was fired - Never saw it coming..... That said, I absolutely Love Rex Ryan and I'm happy about the turn of events here.Still rooting for Mangini though.ETA.. I checked out some pre-combine mocks from last year and VG was top 10 in a lot of them including Andy's who had him at 7 going to the Pats. This guy Did NOT fly up the charts just do to the combine.... people act as if he played at Nassau Community and no one knew who he was until he bench pressed.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Re: Haynesworth
Apparently Rogers is so unhappy with Mangini that he'd forget about his $6M bonus to be released.
Per radio. Looking for anything on this online.
If true, I =
edit: I guess it is Schefter reporting this. Mangini allegedly didn't say hi or acknowledge Rogers at the Cleveland Sports Awards banquet and one other time.
Apparently Rogers is so unhappy with Mangini that he'd forget about his $6M bonus to be released.
Per radio. Looking for anything on this online.
If true, I =
edit: I guess it is Schefter reporting this. Mangini allegedly didn't say hi or acknowledge Rogers at the Cleveland Sports Awards banquet and one other time.
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amnesiac
beer is good
yikes.Rogers played his tail of for RAC. if he doesn't like Mangini for some reason, this would be a big blow to the line.Re: HaynesworthApparently Rogers is so unhappy with Mangini that he'd forget about his $6M bonus to be released. Per radio. Looking for anything on this online. If true, I =
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Let's just see how this plays out. No point going into the Shefter/Rogers thread to read all that bull#### people are spewing. Hopefully they stay out of here.yikes.Rogers played his tail of for RAC. if he doesn't like Mangini for some reason, this would be a big blow to the line.Re: HaynesworthApparently Rogers is so unhappy with Mangini that he'd forget about his $6M bonus to be released. Per radio. Looking for anything on this online. If true, I =
amnesiac
beer is good
too late, i already read it.but this could just as easily be nothing, these type of stories pop up too often and end up being all smoke and no fire.Let's just see how this plays out. No point going into the Shefter/Rogers thread to read all that bull#### people are spewing. Hopefully they stay out of here.yikes.Rogers played his tail of for RAC. if he doesn't like Mangini for some reason, this would be a big blow to the line.Re: HaynesworthApparently Rogers is so unhappy with Mangini that he'd forget about his $6M bonus to be released. Per radio. Looking for anything on this online. If true, I =
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
think this is the way it will gotoo late, i already read it.but this could just as easily be nothing, these type of stories pop up too often and end up being all smoke and no fire.Let's just see how this plays out. No point going into the Shefter/Rogers thread to read all that bull#### people are spewing. Hopefully they stay out of here.yikes.Rogers played his tail of for RAC. if he doesn't like Mangini for some reason, this would be a big blow to the line.Re: Haynesworth
Apparently Rogers is so unhappy with Mangini that he'd forget about his $6M bonus to be released.
Per radio. Looking for anything on this online.
If true, I =
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I sure hope so. That's probably the person on the team they can least afford to lose. The defense was already not good, and this would take away their only playmaker in the front 7. This could be bad news.think this is the way it will gotoo late, i already read it.but this could just as easily be nothing, these type of stories pop up too often and end up being all smoke and no fire.Let's just see how this plays out. No point going into the Shefter/Rogers thread to read all that bull#### people are spewing. Hopefully they stay out of here.yikes.Rogers played his tail of for RAC. if he doesn't like Mangini for some reason, this would be a big blow to the line.Re: Haynesworth
Apparently Rogers is so unhappy with Mangini that he'd forget about his $6M bonus to be released.
Per radio. Looking for anything on this online.
If true, I =
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Would have to think they are really trying to move DA for a pick(s). Another 2nd or 3rd would be a nice addition to the 2nd and 5th they just got.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Serious question, who is going to catch the ball in Cleveland this year?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Syndric Steptoe ring a bell?!
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Tough to answer right now. I think this is one of many moves Mangini and Kokinis are going to make.edit: and I don't think the loss of Winslow will be overly devastating as some might think, and I have no real issues with Winslow. That's the type of "player" I want on the field. It might hurt some short term, but I think Heiden/Rucker/Dinkins can fill in just fine.
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Fallerjw
Footballguy
That's really not even funny. Not to mention he's a horrible blocker, which normally wouldn't be a problem, but the last staff tried to use him as a blocker way too often. Don't laugh, but maybe Stallworth will be on the field a little bit more this year. I think I saw Drew Bennett was released. He's a Joe J type. Hopefully they bring in somebody. Is anybody else getting impatient waiting to pick up an impact player?Syndric Steptoe ring a bell?!
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
Anyone care to speculate on what this means for Braylon Edwards? Besides even more drops?
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Several factors are going to play into this:1. Do they shore up the right side of the offensive line2. Does the running game improve from last year3. Do they pick up another WR, or do people on the roster step upAs of right now, I'd say Braylon is in for a long season. If they can address some of the above things he could be alright.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Yeah, while not trying to lose one in Rogers.That's really not even funny. Not to mention he's a horrible blocker, which normally wouldn't be a problem, but the last staff tried to use him as a blocker way too often. Don't laugh, but maybe Stallworth will be on the field a little bit more this year. I think I saw Drew Bennett was released. He's a Joe J type. Hopefully they bring in somebody. Is anybody else getting impatient waiting to pick up an impact player?Syndric Steptoe ring a bell?!
eric rymer
Footballguy
That's really not even funny. Not to mention he's a horrible blocker, which normally wouldn't be a problem, but the last staff tried to use him as a blocker way too often. Don't laugh, but maybe Stallworth will be on the field a little bit more this year.Syndric Steptoe ring a bell?!
I think I saw Drew Bennett was released. He's a Joe J type.
Hopefully they bring in somebody.
Is anybody else getting impatient waiting to pick up an impact player?
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Wouldn't mind seeing Reggie Williams or Bryant Johnson sign. They are talented, bigger wr's and shouldn't cost a bundle. Both former 1st round picks who haven't done a lot in the league yet.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I'd love to have one, or I'd even take both. I'd go into next season with Braylon, Reggie, Bryant, Stallworth, Cribbs and Joe J (is he coming back?). That would be a HUGE upgrade over last year.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Reggie Williams just got busted for DUI and pot possession today. Could probably be had pretty cheap right about now
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Reggie Williams just got busted for DUI and pot possession today. Could probably be had pretty cheap right about now
nxmehta
Footballguy
I think this is going to be an ugly year for us. The Winslow move signals that we are in complete rebuilding mode. I wouldn't be surprised if we shed more players for picks, even maybe someone other than DA.
Also, I don't expect any big free agent signings. This team is looking to build through the draft for the next couple of years. No more crazy offseasons...
Also, I don't expect any big free agent signings. This team is looking to build through the draft for the next couple of years. No more crazy offseasons...
Fallerjw
Footballguy
then 
does playing the Bengals twice count?
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Normally, except that they beat us 14-0 in December. I mean, we didn't score an offensive TD for 6 straight games, and so far we haven't done anything to improve. It's not looking good.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Tom Coughlin is twice the disciplinarian/anti-players coach that Mangini is, and that organization won with a rookie GM and a coach that was despised and known for alienating players. In today's NFL, it's easy to turn things around quick. It's day two of free agency. We have one net loss, due to a trade. Keep in mind that teams win through the draft. If we manage to patch up the Rogers situation, grab Curry, and trade Anderson for a first day pick or two, we could have three or four starters through this draft. I'm really liking Shonn Greene in the 2nd round. The positives:-We got something of value without having to deal with a holdout (he wanted a new contract) for a Winslow whose knees and shoulder are on borrowed time.-We have a young quarterback who has had plenty of clipboard time and is ready to step in running a Daboll offense that is based on Charlie Weis' offense. The same one that Quinn knows.-Quinn has a good line and shouldn't take a beating.-Harrison looks like he can be Mangini's Leon Washington. -Rob Ryan there instead of Mel Tucker, Todd Grantham, or any other defensive slug we've had gives me confidence in at least a 10 spot improvement in total defense.-Baltimore was hit hard with free agency, and Cincy is still a mess.-Romeo's country club is closed.-Barack Obama is really pushing universal health care, so Dante Stallworth will never again have to worry about treatment for his booboos.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I think the Winslow trade means Braylon isn't going anywhere, at least I hope so. We need a chain mover now, perhaps a Bobby Engram type is in the cards. I'm sure this means we'll be addressing WR or TE in the draft, I would love to take a look at Austin Collie, James Casey, or someone similar (chain mover) in rounds 2 and 3. We cannot go into the season with Stallworthless penciled in as our #2. I haven't the slightest clue what we'll get for DA, but I still believe we'll be able to deal him after eating the March 15 roster bonus. We should have a full draft worth of picks at that point, I'm sure a top 4 round pick will be made on a pass catcher but I really hope the rest of the top part of the draft is spent on defense...unless the staff falls in love with a RB. I don't think there will be that RB this year and would prefer and wait to take one sometime on day two to backup a J Lew/Harrison committee.
I'm still not overly optimistic about this new regime, but this isn't the doom and gloom I'm getting from some in this thread, elsewhere on the web, and locally. At least not yet anyway.
I'm still not overly optimistic about this new regime, but this isn't the doom and gloom I'm getting from some in this thread, elsewhere on the web, and locally. At least not yet anyway.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
They don't have a 3rd, 5th, or 7th round pick. But they do have 2 2nd's because of the Winslow trade.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I know, I think they can add at least one more pick for DA. I'm hoping for a 3rd + 4th or another 2nd.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I would let him go for a 2nd round pick. I think I would then try to get Curry or Crabtree with the 1st rounder. If neither of them are left, I'd trade down to try to get another 2nd rounder.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Right, but who's going to buy him?I've done more thinking about the Jets, I think Ryan's one of those guys that knows DA isn't too good and is easily beatable. I don't see them making a deal.I hope Detroit's front office has more say in there moves than Schwartz does. Schwartz doesn't seem like the type of person to make this deal. Although he knows they need a young QB. Maybe if he dislikes this year's QB class, but that's all I see.Minnesota traded for Rosenfels, I think they're out.Chicago's already had their run with Rex Grossman, why would they bring in potentially part deux?That leaves...Tampa? St Louis? Washington? I think I'm reaching unfortunately.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Ryan definitely is a little familiar with Anderson as he game planned for him 4 times and had exposure when he was on Baltimore's practice squad. I think Anderson is at least as good as anyone currently on the Jets' roster, although Brett Ratliff was very impressive during the preseason last year. I think that the market is still there for Anderson, especially by teams that we haven't discussed. The 49ers are looking at Warner, but Anderson's price tag and youth are in his favor. Anderson may be a fit there. Hasselback has had back problems and is getting into his mid-30s, so who knows how healthy he is. Seattle may be an option. Carolina may be an option if they do not trust Delhomme. As players get signed, teams WILL panic. I think the risk/reward is greater by trading Anderson and sinking or swimming with Quinn. I do not want to see them both on the roster, especially with the holes we have everywhere.
amnesiac
beer is good
aren't Quinn and DA the only two QBs the Browns have rostered right now?
who fills out the depth there if they trade DA, whom they will have already paid most of his salary to?
i think they only get about .5 mil in cap releif if they trade him.
i'm all for going with Quinn, but unless they have a backup plan, they almost have to keep DA at this point, no?
who fills out the depth there if they trade DA, whom they will have already paid most of his salary to?
i think they only get about .5 mil in cap releif if they trade him.
i'm all for going with Quinn, but unless they have a backup plan, they almost have to keep DA at this point, no?
MAC_32
Footballguy
The 49ers are certainly a possibility, I think they're better off as is and rolling with Shaun Hill but for some reason that organization keeps wanting to remove him from the starting job even though he gets the job done.I'd be very surprised if Seattle or Carolina are interested at this point, Seattle seems to like Seneca Wallace as a potential long term solution, Carolina has Matt Moore and their vet backup McCown already. The panthers also already traded away a substantial portion of their draft for Jeff Otah.I just hope a guy like Leftwich lingers out there in FA until after March 15, I'd love to bring him in to backup Quinn. The vet FA options available are not plentiful but there are a couple decent options right now.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I just came to this realization also. It's almost not worth it now to do anything.If Curry is gone by pick 5, I think we need to trade down to pick up another first day pick.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Could have legs, could be more crap flung to the wall by Florio. And by the way, Daboll will be running the same style offense that Weis ran at Notre Dame, so assuming Quinn is a better fit with McDaniels in Denver is simply false. I'm not in love with Cutler's prima donna attitude, but 4,500 yard passers don't grow on trees. I'm not sure how I would feel here because losing Rogers would be a huge hit.
