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BROWNS THREAD 2009 4 GAME WIN STREAK! (2 Viewers)

Positioning for Beannie?
This is exactly what I thought we were doing when we kept moveing down and I loved it. We were shouting BEANNIE, BEANNIE BEANNIE when we finally picked. I just had visions on the WE ARE WITNESSES signs having a double effect and even the old Jimmy Brown/ Leroy Kelly days flashing thru my head Saturday until it was Mack instead. We need to put Mangini thru a Brown history coarse but he did a decent job Saturday. I just wish it could have been Beannie instead of Mack because Beannie has a chance to be something special and I wanted to see him do it at home like we are seeing in hoops. I like that Hawaii DE we got. He was said to be best ready pass rush specialist in draft! I liked the Robiskie pick. Buckeye + Dawg Just wish it could have been Beannie!
 
Be sure to check out the TE the Jets signed.
I heard yesterday they signed Bullock. He was obviously going to get a shot somewhere. Too bad it wasn't here, but he'd virtually have no shot at making this roster imo. It will be interesting to follow the story though as I liked watching him play hoops the past couple years. Personally don't feel he has "it" from seeing him on the hardcourt, but it's a totally different game so we'll see.
 
The Browns last year were 4-12 but were much better than a 4-12 team. They had one of the toughest schedules in the NFL, and suffered a lot of injuries, key injuries too. When you have to resort to Ken Dorsey at QB, it GREATLY skews everyone's view as to how talented you are. It really does.Now its 2009. They should be healthier, and the schedule is pretty weak. The Browns draw only 5 playoff teams from a year ago - and 4 of those are 2 games apiece with the Steelers and Ravens. The only other playoff team is the 8-8 Chargers. I feel pretty confident that the Browns OL can handle this schedule very, very well. They will be able to do what they want on offense for most of the season. Almost every game on this schedule I see myself saying "they have a serious chance to win". I see the Browns going 10-6 this year. If they catch some breaks, it could be 11 or 12. I don't think this is a "12 win team" but the schedule is so soft they could be 12-win pretenders. But 10-6 is what I see. Unfortunately, the Steelers and Ravens have even easier schedules. I see the division as:Steelers 13-3Ravens 12-4Browns 10-6Bengals hahaThe Browns, even with 10 wins, will probably be in a dogfight to make the playoffs in this division, and if the Browns make the playoffs, I don't see it being anything other than a 6 seed. That will probably get them a playoff game with the Patriots if you ask me, since the Patriots will be a really good team with a really hard schedule and won't get a bye.
With their schedule the Browns should win 7 to 9 games. Not sure they can hit 10.
 
The Browns last year were 4-12 but were much better than a 4-12 team. They had one of the toughest schedules in the NFL, and suffered a lot of injuries, key injuries too. When you have to resort to Ken Dorsey at QB, it GREATLY skews everyone's view as to how talented you are. It really does.Now its 2009. They should be healthier, and the schedule is pretty weak. The Browns draw only 5 playoff teams from a year ago - and 4 of those are 2 games apiece with the Steelers and Ravens. The only other playoff team is the 8-8 Chargers. I feel pretty confident that the Browns OL can handle this schedule very, very well. They will be able to do what they want on offense for most of the season. Almost every game on this schedule I see myself saying "they have a serious chance to win". I see the Browns going 10-6 this year. If they catch some breaks, it could be 11 or 12. I don't think this is a "12 win team" but the schedule is so soft they could be 12-win pretenders. But 10-6 is what I see. Unfortunately, the Steelers and Ravens have even easier schedules. I see the division as:Steelers 13-3Ravens 12-4Browns 10-6Bengals hahaThe Browns, even with 10 wins, will probably be in a dogfight to make the playoffs in this division, and if the Browns make the playoffs, I don't see it being anything other than a 6 seed. That will probably get them a playoff game with the Patriots if you ask me, since the Patriots will be a really good team with a really hard schedule and won't get a bye.
With their schedule the Browns should win 7 to 9 games. Not sure they can hit 10.
You guys are even bigger homers than I am. I'm hoping for 5-6.
 
What is up with everyone freaking out about not picking Rey Maualuga and/or Beanie Wells? I mean, when I look at these guys I see a) a thug ILB with character issues who can only play two downs, and b) a local guy who's going to be lucky to play a full season. There's a reason that these guys dropped.

I wonder if people have been reading too many Grossi PD articles where he hyped up Maualuga like every other sentence. Yes Tony, we know you like Rey. No Tony, the Browns are not going to pick him, and yes we know you're going to be whining about it for the next 10 years whenever he makes a tackle. You're so smart!

 
as an alumni, i hate to say it, but i have the feeling Beanie is either a wimp or he has something wrong with his foot. either way he will be limited in the NFL.

i hope i am wrong about this.

 
as an alumni, i hate to say it, but i have the feeling Beanie is either a wimp or he has something wrong with his foot. either way he will be limited in the NFL.i hope i am wrong about this.
I don't trust him.I wish we would have grabbed Shonn Greene with one of our late 2nds.
 
The more I think about what this team is doing, the more I like it. Maybe it's just the season for optimism, but I like where we're headed. My biggest concern with Mangini remains in-game management, which would make everything he's doing to this roster moot if he doesn't improve.

 
The more I think about what this team is doing, the more I like it. Maybe it's just the season for optimism, but I like where we're headed. My biggest concern with Mangini remains in-game management, which would make everything he's doing to this roster moot if he doesn't improve.
gotta agree with you. As I was checking in on the draft, there were a lot of :confused: , :confused: moments. But the more I look at it the more I like it. Yes I would have loved to see more attention to the pass rush, but the players we drafted and aquired certain will help this team. Our offense was pretty bad last year too. So adding a beast at center, 2 solid WR's, some depth at QB and a nice little late round gem at RB in Davis was not a bad day. Not to mention adding a DE, DE/OLB, two CB's and a S to the mix. I think all these guys can make solid contributions to the team. :confused:
 
Texas Tech coach miffed: Texas Tech coach Mike Leach blamed Mangini for a report in The Plain Dealer that receiver Michael Crabtree acted like a diva on his visit. Leach felt the report, from an unnamed source, caused Crabtree to fall to No. 10.

"Michael Crabtree has been more successful as a receiver than that guy as a coach at this point," Leach told the Sacramento Bee. "Part of the reason is he's [Crabtree] too shy to be like that. ...

"My definition of a diva is someone who's loud and self-absorbed. Michael Crabtree is the furthest thing from loud that I've seen. ... Let's see how all those non-divas do up in Cleveland this year."
Texas Tech coach Mike Leach, who blamed Browns coach Eric Mangini for reports that Crabtree behaved like a diva on his visit to Cleveland, told the Dallas Morning News that Harrell was the best quarterback in the draft.

"The truth of the matter is that the NFL drafts quarterbacks notoriously bad," said Leach. "That's indisputable.

"I don't have an answer for why they don't have a skill for drafting a quarterback. Well, I think the priorities are out of order. Accurate and makes good decisions needs to be a priority, not something they need to teach him, because they don't do that very well."
this guy is a quote machine. he's obviously not trying to make any friends on the NFL level, that's for sure.
 
Way to have your head in the game, Braylon :hot: :

Hollywood: We all know Braylon Edwards did not have a great season last year, and a quote in ESPN The Magazine may reflect part of the reason. According to NFL safety and model Will Demps, this is how a conversation went down between Demps and Edwards during the Cleveland Browns vs. Houston Texans game on Dec. 7 last year, a contest the Browns lost, 28-9."Last year, I was with the Texans, and when we played the Browns, Braylon Edwards asked me between plays if we could talk after the game about modeling and acting."Edwards had plenty of time to talk during the game, too, as he finished with three catches for 38 yards.
 
Way to have your head in the game, Braylon :hot: :

Hollywood: We all know Braylon Edwards did not have a great season last year, and a quote in ESPN The Magazine may reflect part of the reason. According to NFL safety and model Will Demps, this is how a conversation went down between Demps and Edwards during the Cleveland Browns vs. Houston Texans game on Dec. 7 last year, a contest the Browns lost, 28-9."Last year, I was with the Texans, and when we played the Browns, Braylon Edwards asked me between plays if we could talk after the game about modeling and acting."Edwards had plenty of time to talk during the game, too, as he finished with three catches for 38 yards.
Not surprising at all. He's such a prima donna.
 
Pretty cool article in the ABJ about Harrell, mini camp and Veikune

LINK

I enjoyed this about the way Mangini is running things.

No mercy

Changes were evident in Mangini's first practice open to the media. Receiver Brian Robiskie, a second-round pick from Ohio State, had to run a lap after dropping a punt. Officials were present, very unusual for rookie sessions. Mangini also ran a one-on-one tackling drill, which at times in training camp will be done with full contact.

''If you put the ball on the ground, you run. If you get a penalty you run,'' Mangini said. ''How the giveaway-takeaway affects games in a year, it's amazing. Penalties are concentration errors.''

Mangini's tackling drill might remedy a glaring weakness of the Browns' defense.

''You get to pro football and a lot of people think, 'I've done this a million times, I'm a great tackler,' '' he said. ''There's a lot of things you can teach from that drill. We use that to teach runners how to run better, to teach tacklers how to take better angles. We want to keep repping that fundamental to minimize missed tackles.''
 
One rookie camp and a few interviews with Mangini and I already like him more than I ever did Coach Romeo.
:mellow: The knock all along has been his in-game coaching ability, but I can't help but think that all the negative Favre talk has a huge amount to do with the Jets collapse last year. Where there's smoke...
 
LOVE this guy already...

Browns rookie linebacker Kaluka Maiava no stranger to tackling tough assignments

Cleveland Plain Dealer

Sunday May 03, 2009

BEREA -- There was a moment during Eric Mangini's interview with USC linebacker Kaluka Maiava when he knew Maiava had the toughness it would take to succeed in the NFL, especially at his size.

It was when Maiava, a 5-11, 229-pound native of Hawaii, explained that one of his pastimes is hunting wild boar in the mountains of Maui -- without a gun.

"[Mangini] asked me 'what kind of gun do you use?' and I said, 'no, that's cheating,'" Maiava said at rookie camp Saturday. "Anybody can shoot something. It takes the fun out of it. We grab a couple of dogs and a 9-inch knife and go out and stick 'em a couple of times."

Maiava, the Browns' fourth-round pick, was introduced to boar hunting by his brothers and friends when he was 15, and soon learned that the youngest hunter must carry the boar home on his back.

"I got lucky," he said. "Mine was only about 150 pounds."

Then what?

"You eat it," he said. "You eat everything you kill."

What does it taste like?

"Tastes like chicken," he said. "It's amazing."

Maiava's hunting exploits confirmed everything Mangini had seen of Maiava on film at USC: tenacity, bravery, hustle.

"He's a tough, tough guy," said Mangini.

Of course, chasing down a raging wild boar with sharp tusks is great practice for skewering a running back or kick returner.

"It's the rush to chase something and tackle him -- you know, just like football," said Maiava, an inside 'backer. "Say you're on kickoff and you're chasing down the kick returner. It's the same thing."

It was that attitude that twice earned Maiava USC's co-special teams player of the year award and a starting linebacker job in 2008. Despite playing alongside stars Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews and Clay Matthews III, Maiava finished third on the team in 2008 with 66 tackles, had two sacks, forced a fumble and broke up two passes.

He capped the season by earning defensive MVP honors in the Rose Bowl victory over Penn State, in which he had four solo tackles and two key pass breakups.

"It was a shock to me," he said. "I was actually on my way to the locker room when they stopped me and told me I won the award, so it came as a surprise. It's just a blessing."

Similarly, Maiava was on his way to go surfing on draft day when he got the call from Mangini that the Browns made him the 104th overall pick.

"I had to check the number," he said. "I looked at my phone to make sure it wasn't one of my boys [from Hawaii] calling me," he said. "It was an Ohio number, I answered it and it was coach Mangini."

Before that moment, Maiava had no idea he'd be drafted at all.

"At the beginning of my senior year, I was expecting to go free agent, so this is all a great blessing and I'm happy to be here," he said. "I could finally breathe and hug my parents. Then I went to the beach."

Maiava said the coaching he received at Southern Cal helped him overcome his lack of size for a linebacker.

"[Linebackers coach] Ken Norton Jr. really helped me understand what offenses are trying to do to me," said Maiava. "Knowing what you're doing helps you play a lot faster, which puts you in right spots. It makes you play bigger than you really are. I'm only 5-11, but knowing where I've got to be, knowing how things fit, helped me a lot, and to be around the ball a lot more."

Besides, he had to keep up with the all-star cast.

"It's just the competitive nature," he said of the other linebackers. "They're getting all the pub and you see how they play and you've just got to play up to their par -- try to be as fast as them and as aggressive as them, make more tackles. It wasn't like I was out to get them, but we helped each other."

Some teams viewed Maiava as a safety at this level, but Mangini said he'll keep him at linebacker.

"He was an outstanding fourth-down player at USC and I thought he played extremely well in their defense," said Mangini. "They had a ton of seniors and I was impressed with him -- his intelligence, his recall of the system, the way he played, his temperament.

Despite being listed as an outside linebacker at USC, "most of the time I was stacked over the center, so it's not a big change for me. I'm very comfortable in that position. I'll do whatever they need me to do."

Maybe even give up wild boar hunting for a year.
 
:mellow: Wade. Those are the stories I love to hear. I'm really starting to like this draft class. It's been filled with smart, tough players.
 
Posting from my cell phone so I can't paste it... Just saw in Grossi's "Hey Tony" article this week he mentions something to the effect of "Braylon Edwards for Thomas Jones... You heard it here first."

Just an FYI guys.

Also, for you golfers out there, Taylor Made Nighthawk Browns hat. Look it up; it's nice.

 
Posting from my cell phone so I can't paste it... Just saw in Grossi's "Hey Tony" article this week he mentions something to the effect of "Braylon Edwards for Thomas Jones... You heard it here first."Just an FYI guys.
i thought Jones was holding out for a new contract?this seems like it would be a horrible deal.
 
Posting from my cell phone so I can't paste it... Just saw in Grossi's "Hey Tony" article this week he mentions something to the effect of "Braylon Edwards for Thomas Jones... You heard it here first."
Grossi really is sticking to his guns that Braylon's as good as gone, that is an awful...awful idea. We already have one old RB, now we're going to add another? I find it =very hard to believe Mangini sees Jones at a similar value as the asking price on draft day - a 1st + 3rd, if he does I may start calling him Butch.
 
Posting from my cell phone so I can't paste it... Just saw in Grossi's "Hey Tony" article this week he mentions something to the effect of "Braylon Edwards for Thomas Jones... You heard it here first."
Grossi really is sticking to his guns that Braylon's as good as gone, that is an awful...awful idea. We already have one old RB, now we're going to add another? I find it =very hard to believe Mangini sees Jones at a similar value as the asking price on draft day - a 1st + 3rd, if he does I may start calling him Butch.
Grossi was on the good stuff when he answered this imo (although I'm sure we'd be very interested if Jones was released). Glad he put the "you heard it here first" tag at the end. Grossi turning into Roger Brown now?
Hey, Tony: Thomas Jones is unhappy with the Jets and last season put up Pro Bowl numbers including 1,300 yards and 13 TDs. The Jets drafted Shonn Greene and already have Leon Washington. Any chance the Jets release Jones and he becomes the next Cleveland Jet? A two-headed monster pounding the rock in Cleveland would be a welcome sight. -- Aaron Howell, Canton.

Hey, Aaron: Rex Ryan knows that Mangini would scoop up Jones in a New York second if Jones were released. More likely is a future trade involving Jones and, yes, Edwards. You heard it here first.
 
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Posting from my cell phone so I can't paste it... Just saw in Grossi's "Hey Tony" article this week he mentions something to the effect of "Braylon Edwards for Thomas Jones... You heard it here first."
Grossi really is sticking to his guns that Braylon's as good as gone, that is an awful...awful idea. We already have one old RB, now we're going to add another? I find it =very hard to believe Mangini sees Jones at a similar value as the asking price on draft day - a 1st + 3rd, if he does I may start calling him Butch.
Grossi was on the good stuff when he answered this imo (although I'm sure we'd be very interested if Jones was released). Glad he put the "you heard it here first" tag at the end. Grossi turning into Roger Brown now?
Hey, Tony: Thomas Jones is unhappy with the Jets and last season put up Pro Bowl numbers including 1,300 yards and 13 TDs. The Jets drafted Shonn Greene and already have Leon Washington. Any chance the Jets release Jones and he becomes the next Cleveland Jet? A two-headed monster pounding the rock in Cleveland would be a welcome sight. -- Aaron Howell, Canton.

Hey, Aaron: Rex Ryan knows that Mangini would scoop up Jones in a New York second if Jones were released. More likely is a future trade involving Jones and, yes, Edwards. You heard it here first.
I certainly hope they don't trade for Jones.
 
:mellow: Wade. Those are the stories I love to hear. I'm really starting to like this draft class. It's been filled with smart, tough players.
Mangini drafted a knife boar hunter with the Jets in the 3rd rd - stunk bad and was released a year later. Mangini loves smart, intelligent players but they are not always the best athletes - hopefully he modified his criteria a bit as I would like to see he Brownies back in the playoffs as well as the JEts!
 
Grossi was on the good stuff when he answered this imo (although I'm sure we'd be very interested if Jones was released). Glad he put the "you heard it here first" tag at the end. Grossi turning into Roger Brown now?
Ding ding ding we have a winner! :thumbup:

 
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...eceiver_mi.html

Browns sign ex-Lion receiver Mike Furrey

by Mary Kay Cabot/Plain Dealer Reporter

Tuesday May 05, 2009, 6:33 PM

UPDATED: 7:59 p.m.

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Mike Furrey signed with the Cleveland Browns on Tuesday. The former Detroit Lions wide receiver had 98 receptions in 2006.

CLEVELAND -- With the uncertainty surrounding veteran receivers Braylon Edwards and Donte Stallworth, the Browns continue to add depth to the position.

On Tuesday, they signed six-year pro Mike Furrey, who spent the past three seasons with the Lions and his first three with the Rams.

Furrey's signing comes on the heels of the Browns drafting Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaqoui in the second round of the draft and adding David Patten, Devale Ellis and rookie Jordan Norwood of Penn State as free agents.

Stallworth will be arraigned May 21st on DUI manslaughter charges and Edwards, the subject of trade rumors, has been mostly absent from the team's off-season conditioning program.

A native of Grove City, Furrey (6-0, 195) began his college career as a walk-on at Ohio State before transferring to Northern Iowa. The Colts signed him as an undrafted free agent in 2000, but he spent the next three seasons playing in the XFL and Arena League before signing with the Rams in 2003.

In his six NFL seasons, he's started 37 of the 78 games he's played, totaling 198 catches for 2,128 yards and seven touchdowns. He's also fielded 23 punts for a 9.3-yard average and 20 kickoffs for an 18.8-yard average.

His most productive year was his first with the Lions in 2006 when he led the NFC and was second in the NFL with 98 catches for 1,086 yards and six TDs.

Furrey also has the versatility that Browns coach Eric Mangini likes. In 2005, his last season with the Rams, he started 11 of his 16 games at safety, making 55 tackles and four interceptions, one of which was returned for a touchdown.

Furrey was cut by the Lions Jan. 29 after spending the last seven games of their winless 2008 season on injured reserve with a concussion. Furrey publicly disagreed with the decision to go on injured reserve, telling the Detroit Free Press he was fine. He also said he had to find Lions GM Martin Mayhew in the cafeteria to find out he had been placed on IR.

Asked if that's why he got cut, Furrey told the paper, "I don't know. That's a man to a man, you know. We were all disgruntled. We all wanted to win. We all felt it could be different. Some guys expressed change and getting things on the right track because we all wanted to win, and it was kind of like we got pushed aside."
I'm actually pretty happy about this. I've been waiting for them to sign either Furrey or McDonald.
 
Mike Furry = Superbowl

but seriously, not a bad signing. he's got to have good hands if he caught 98 balls, right?

 
Excellent signing. Like some people have said, he's a poor man's Wes Welker. His great year in 2006 was in Martz's system, but he still has a lot of value. Just don't expect another 90+ catch season :hifive:

 
Good. Hopefully this puts things to bed and we can move on. I kind of like the way the front office has played the situation; talk up both and hope a blockbuster offer comes in for Anderson (which it hasn't), let Quinn win the job (as he should as Daboll's offense is very similar to Weis' offense), and when Quinn wins the job and some team gets desperate for a QB, peddle Anderson off during the summer.

Tony Grossi's blog: Cleveland Browns rejected two trade offers for Brady Quinn, says sourceby Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Monday May 11, 2009, 2:12 PMCLEVELAND -- I offer up this tidbit for the enjoyment of those who find the ongoing debate on the Browns quarterback situation to be insatiable.I recently spoke with someone I will identify as a league source. This person does not work for an NFL team but works with NFL teams and has a prominent name.I asked, "Whom do you think will wind up starting at quarterback for the Browns?"Without hesitation, the answer was, "Brady Quinn."The person went on to say that the Browns had two "very subtantial" trade offers for Quinn -- each involved a No. 1 draft pick -- and declined to trade him.The source would not speculate on whether a trade of Quinn might have been blocked by owner Randy Lerner. The source believes that there will be a true "open competition" between Quinn and Derek Anderson and that Quinn will prevail.The source does not believe that newly acquired ex-Jet Brett Ratliff will be thrown into the open competition. The source's take on Ratliff: "Eric Mangini likes having him around because he feels comfortable with him and he knows the offense."
 
The thing is, we don't even know if Anderson is for real, nor Sanchez if we would have picked him.

Quinn is our best option.

 
The thing is, we don't even know if Anderson is for real, nor Sanchez if we would have picked him. Quinn is our best option.
I'm still on the other side. We haven't seen Quinn do anything. We've seen DA win 10 games. Touch can be taught. A big arm cannot.If we had the ability to pick up a 1st round pick for Quinn, depending on where it was, we could have acquired one of the LB's, a RB, a *gulp* receiver, or secondary help. In that scenario, we still have Ratliff, who knows Mangini's system.
 
The thing is, we don't even know if Anderson is for real, nor Sanchez if we would have picked him. Quinn is our best option.
I'm still on the other side. We haven't seen Quinn do anything. We've seen DA win 10 games. Touch can be taught. A big arm cannot.If we had the ability to pick up a 1st round pick for Quinn, depending on where it was, we could have acquired one of the LB's, a RB, a *gulp* receiver, or secondary help. In that scenario, we still have Ratliff, who knows Mangini's system.
Mangini doesn't have a offensive system. He has been a defensive coach.
 
The thing is, we don't even know if Anderson is for real, nor Sanchez if we would have picked him. Quinn is our best option.
I'm still on the other side. We haven't seen Quinn do anything. We've seen DA win 10 games. Touch can be taught. A big arm cannot.If we had the ability to pick up a 1st round pick for Quinn, depending on where it was, we could have acquired one of the LB's, a RB, a *gulp* receiver, or secondary help. In that scenario, we still have Ratliff, who knows Mangini's system.
There's probably a reason that other NFL teams were willing to offer that. I'm satisfied keeping him on the roster. The LB I wanted was there in the 2nd round and they didn't take him, so I don't think they would have taken him in round 1 anyhow.
 
With as many holes as this team has to fill NOW - they should have jumped @ the chance to swap BQ for a 1st. Maybe the guy proves me wrong, but he looks like either a average NFL (journeyman) starter or a bust waiting to happen.

 
Anyone have an opinion about RB Jerome Harrison? I picked him up late last year as a long shot in a 25 deep dyno, and he seems like he's not going to do/become anything.

Upside might be a 'lite' version of Leon Washington w/ Mangenius driving the bus? :towelwave:

I'm thinking a roster cut-down candidate - but maybe there's some local insight...

 
Anyone have an opinion about RB Jerome Harrison? I picked him up late last year as a long shot in a 25 deep dyno, and he seems like he's not going to do/become anything. Upside might be a 'lite' version of Leon Washington w/ Mangenius driving the bus? :headbang: I'm thinking a roster cut-down candidate - but maybe there's some local insight...
If there's one thing Romeo Crennel taught us, Harrison's future is not dependent on his talent or production, but is solely dependent on what the head coach thinks of him. So right now it's too early to say what Mangini thinks of Harrison. He's rostered, so that's good, but we also picked up an RB in the draft (and one in FA) so he's probably not thought of as the back of the future.I wouldn't hesistate to cut him if I were you.
 
Anyone have an opinion about RB Jerome Harrison? I picked him up late last year as a long shot in a 25 deep dyno, and he seems like he's not going to do/become anything. Upside might be a 'lite' version of Leon Washington w/ Mangenius driving the bus? :goodposting: I'm thinking a roster cut-down candidate - but maybe there's some local insight...
If there's one thing Romeo Crennel taught us, Harrison's future is not dependent on his talent or production, but is solely dependent on what the head coach thinks of him. So right now it's too early to say what Mangini thinks of Harrison. He's rostered, so that's good, but we also picked up an RB in the draft (and one in FA) so he's probably not thought of as the back of the future.I wouldn't hesistate to cut him if I were you.
I think he's going to be used similarly as Leon Washington and Jerome Harrison were utilized in 2008, which is not enough. If you can afford to sit on him for 09 and see where he's signed in 010 I'd wait, or if you're confident that even if you cut him you can add him back a few weeks into the season do that instead. I have him in a deep IDP dyno and he'll be one of my 24 keepers (2nd year rookies don't count against keepers), I had to start him twice last season :thumbup: Hopefully I don't have to at all this season.
 
the news on Quinn goes along with what Pluto has been suggesting for some time, that Quinn will likely be the starter this year, and they were really trying to move Anderson.

i think they have to find out what they have in Quinn. if he flops, fine, but i want to see what he has before they get rid of him.

 
Alot of Cribbs news this week, unfortunately.

Cleveland Browns dispute with Josh Cribbs is deep rooted

by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter

Tuesday May 19, 2009, 11:28 AM

CLEVELAND -- Only one person is going to be able to resolve the escalating Josh Cribbs contract dispute and that's Randy Lerner.

The Browns' owner is in the crosshairs of a he said-he said debate.

Cribbs' agents said that Lerner personally assured Cribbs in a phone call while on the team bus following the last game in Pittsburgh last year that he "would be taken care of" contractually, reported the Orange & Brown Report.

Lerner said to the Website that he never spoke to Cribbs about his contract, personally or over the phone.

One of the agents then said he had Cribbs' cell phone records to back up his claim. He said Cribbs called all his advisors following the conversation with Lerner.

A paper trail of phone records is somewhat ironic because the current Browns' regime has confiscated cell phone records of past employees before firing them.

• The Cribbs' dispute is another mess left over by the Phil Savage regime. (Remember the $30-plus million in guaranteed roster bonuses his successors inherited?)

Cribbs was perhaps Savage's greatest legacy as general manager. One of Savage's scouts -- since fired -- discovered Cribbs and it was under Savage's watch that Cribbs developed into a unique specialty player. Savage quickly signed Cribbs to a long-term contract that he has clearly outperformed.

Savage fully intended to re-do Cribbs' contract, but it had to be done deftly because other players with fewer years remaining on their deals would beat down Savage's door for more money after Cribbs got his. It is one of the complexities of the GM job to balance these player requests.

After Savage was fired and replaced by Eric Mangini and George Kokinis, Cribbs' situation was swept under the rug. Mangini has not yet determined if he can trust Cribbs as one of "my guys" -- a Bill Parcells phrase -- so he is not about to honor Savage's promise.

It was instructive that Mangini hotly pursued Tennessee return specialist Chris Carr in free agency. Carr, who is not good enough at cornerback to contribute strictly on defense, eventually signed with Baltimore. If Mangini had signed Carr, I don't believe Cribbs would have had a prayer of seeing any new money. I'm not so sure he will now, either.

The dispute could have been avoided if somebody had stepped in -- Lerner, obviously, or President Mike Keenan if Lerner did want to be held accountable -- and honored the commitment to Cribbs.

• Cribbs' isn't the only contract ordeal percolating. Kicker Phil Dawson quietly has been pursuing a new deal, too. There is also the D'Qwell Jackson situation.

Jackson has outperformed a rookie contract that expires after this season. Jackson would have the leverage to force a new deal if he became an unrestricted free agent after this year. But he will only be a UFA if the league collective bargaining agreement is extended. If not, Jackson could be tied to the Browns for two more seasons as a restricted free agent -- which gives the Browns all the cards.

Fullback Lawrence Vickers and linebacker Leon Williams are in similar situations, but don't quite have the argument that Jackson has.

• It's possible that Jackson and others joined Cribbs in not attending Mangini's voluntary minicamp that began today.

The first two days of the three-day camp are closed to the media and the Browns so far have not agreed to divulge attendance.
 
Also, Rogers and Edwards attend voluntary minicamp. It's being reported (again) that Rogers and Mangini are on solid terms.

 
Good news. Would be a nice signing.

Cleveland Browns expected to sign CB Roderick Hoodby Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Tuesday May 26, 2009, 11:16 AMCLEVELAND -- The Browns will sign veteran free agent cornerback Roderick Hood, a league source said.Hood started for the Arizona Cardinals in last season's Super Bowl. He was the team's starting cornerback for 30 of the previous 32 regular-season games, intercepting six passes, including five in 2007.Hood, 5-11 and 198 pounds, was released by the Cardinals shortly after the draft in April. He had visited with Cincinnati, Detroit, Chicago and the Rams. Hood chose the Browns over the Rams, who also had made him a contract offer, the source said.Hood, 27, played his first four NFL seasons with Philadelphia. He should be considered a strong candidate to displace Eric Wright or Brandon McDonald as a starter at cornerback.
 
Rain doesn't dampen Cleveland Browns minicamp

by Tony Grossi

Cleveland Plain Dealer

Thursday June 11, 2009, 1:18 PM

BEREA -- Eric Mangini delivered another message to his team on the first day of mandatory minicamp on Thursday.

The Browns coach invited eight Green Berets stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., to share their experiences this weekend in developing communication and teamwork and focusing on a shared goal.

As always with Mangini, there was more than meets the eye to the visit.

"I think the other great lesson is no matter how hard you may think our practices are, in terms of what we're asking the players to do, it gives you a sense of perspective of what [the soldiers] are asked to do and sacrifice," Mangini said.

So say goodbye to Club Romeo and say hello to Camp Mangini.

On the first session of a three-day mandatory minicamp, Mangini kept his team outdoors during a steady rain for two hours. That was a departure from the ways of most previous Browns coaches, including Romeo Crennel.

Even players rehabilitating injuries and not on the field with the team rode stationary bikes or worked with trainers in the rain.

Running back Jamal Lewis, who did not participate in team drills while recovering from off-season ankle surgery, said in nine previous NFL seasons he didn't recall having a minicamp practice in June in a steady rain.

"But at the same time, I think Mangini has a point to everything he does . . . there's a meaning to everything he does," Lewis said. "I think he knows on Sunday we're going to get rain sometimes, so why not? It's kind of fun to play out in the rain a little bit."

It's not the inconvenience of getting wet that compels most coaches to move practices indoors, of course. It's the risk of injury from slipping and pulling a muscle.

There were no apparent injuries in the morning practice.

"It's football. It's rain. You've got to work in it, got to understand it," Mangini said. "We're always trying to have players' safety first. Rain is something we'll have to deal with. I think the more educated they are, the better they are on how to avoid injuries."

The coach said he gets excited when the weather turns bad "because you can't simulate those circumstances." The only condition that would prompt him to move practice indoors is lightning, he said.

Receiver Braylon Edwards, who did not practice because of a previous, unspecified injury, said avoiding injury on the wet grass was on players' minds.

"But these guys are professionals," Edwards said. "We come out here and do this pretty much year-round. We keep each other safe. We don't try to run into each other. We try to keep each other up. Guys are being professional. It worked today."

Edwards said there was benefit to practicing in the rain.

"It's the worst and the best weather to practice in," he said. "You get used to catching in the rain . . . and not slipping. Because on game days, this can't be an excuse, raining. So it's good early to get this weather in and get used to it. Because this is what happens in Cleveland."

Coincidentally, the rainy conditions came -- on cue? -- for the arrival of kicker Phil Dawson, who skipped all the voluntary practices in protest of his contract situation. Dawson, one of the league's best bad-weather kickers, made three field goals at the conclusion of practice and also executed a few onside kicks.

Afterward, Dawson declined to discuss his dispute.

"This isn't a good time to get into all that," he said. "I'm here. It's good to see the guys. Let's get out of the rain, what do you say?"

Yes, post-practice interviews were conducted in the rain, too.

The second practice later in the afternoon began in brighter conditions, but within an hour it rained on and off again.

In another six weeks, temperatures will reach the high 80s and beyond. It figures to be a brutal training camp. Don't expect Mangini to import snow-making machines in August.
Love to see lines like: "So say goodbye to Club Romeo and say hello to Camp Mangini" and "It figures to be a brutal training camp." Regardless of what the "experts" are saying out there, I like the direction Mangini has this team going.
 
Probably some worthless random stuff, but I took the kid up to Legacy Village Saturday for the Browns rookie autograph event. All the drafted rookies signed items for about 2hrs at a table on the stage and many of the undrafted guys were walking around/stationed at other areas. My 3yr old son ran the obstacle course like 20 times and Marcus Bernard was doing pushups and situps with him at the one part. Football toss...one undrafted player was trying to get a few of the other players to bet $100 that my kid makes the toss. Good times.

Signed him up for the kids fan club too. Looks like alot of stuff they get for $20. And it sounds like possible perks at camp. We'll see how that works out.

Jordan Norwood is a tiny dude. Hopefully he's fast.

Most of the rookies at the main table seemed very cordial.

James Davis was joking around alot.

Francies and Carey were very nice.

Robiskie obviously was getting alot of attention and was in good spirits about it.

Mack didn't seem like he was 310+, which is probably a good thing as he probably is or is at least close.

 
Probably some worthless random stuff, but I took the kid up to Legacy Village Saturday for the Browns rookie autograph event. All the drafted rookies signed items for about 2hrs at a table on the stage and many of the undrafted guys were walking around/stationed at other areas. My 3yr old son ran the obstacle course like 20 times and Marcus Bernard was doing pushups and situps with him at the one part. Football toss...one undrafted player was trying to get a few of the other players to bet $100 that my kid makes the toss. Good times.

Signed him up for the kids fan club too. Looks like alot of stuff they get for $20. And it sounds like possible perks at camp. We'll see how that works out.

Jordan Norwood is a tiny dude. Hopefully he's fast.

Most of the rookies at the main table seemed very cordial.

James Davis was joking around alot.

Francies and Carey were very nice.

Robiskie obviously was getting alot of attention and was in good spirits about it.

Mack didn't seem like he was 310+, which is probably a good thing as he probably is or is at least close.
He's lightning fast.
 
Cleveland Browns release defensive lineman Shaun Smithby By Mary Kay CabotSaturday August 08, 2009, 9:58 AMPD FileShaun Smith, who was involved in an altercation last season with Brady Quinn, has been released by the Cleveland Browns.Browns defensive lineman Shaun Smith, who was heading into his third year with the team, was released Saturday, a source close to the situation said. No reason was given for his ouster, the source said.Smith (6-2, 325 lbs.) was a versatile lineman who could play end or nose tackle. He appeared in 11 games last season with nine starts. He totaled 47 tackles, including 22 solo.But Smith's on-the-field accomplishments were overshadowed by a run-in with quarterback Brady Quinn in the weight room, during which Smith reportedly punched Quinn in the face. Smith's representatives met with the Browns at the NFL Combine in February to determine whether or not the Browns wanted to keep him in light of the incident.They were told the Browns were prepared to move forward with Smith.Smith, one of the most vocal players on the team, was signed by the Browns as an unrestricted free agent in March 2007 after spending two full seasons with the Bengals.
Odd...
 

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