Browns will entertain offers for Anderson (1 Viewer)

[jenja]

why not entertain offers for Quinn instead of Anderson? It looks like they finally found a stable QB in Anderson .... they have no idea what they have or don't have in QUinn. IDK ... there's some old saying about a bird in hand. I forget how the rest of it goes.

Management will never admit they were wrong by trading to get Brady Quinn and not knowing they had a solid QB already on their roster. They will act like this was the plan, whether or not it is the smart thing to do or what is in the best interest of the team. Very similar to Rivers and Brees situation in San Diego.Instead of trying to build on the success they had this year, they will trade away Anderson just to start rebuilding again with unknown Quinn. Perhaps he will turn out to be a great QB, I kind of think not, but I guess we never know.

 

[Chickenwang]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

why not entertain offers for Quinn instead of Anderson? It looks like they finally found a stable QB in Anderson .... they have no idea what they have or don't have in QUinn. IDK ... there's some old saying about a bird in hand. I forget how the rest of it goes.

Management will never admit they were wrong by trading to get Brady Quinn and not knowing they had a solid QB already on their roster. They will act like this was the plan, whether or not it is the smart thing to do or what is in the best interest of the team. Very similar to Rivers and Brees situation in San Diego.Instead of trying to build on the success they had this year, they will trade away Anderson just to start rebuilding again with unknown Quinn. Perhaps he will turn out to be a great QB, I kind of think not, but I guess we never know.

If this was the case, wouldn't the hard headed management stuck with Frye for more than one half? Pulling Frye after a half and trading him within a day or two after handing most of the preseason first team snaps to him was much more ballsy than trading Quinn would be. If anything, this management has had some guts. Getting us to buy in on the hated Jamal Lewis is another example.

 

[Crippler]

I agree this is not like Brees/Rivers

First we are talking a top 5 pick to a late 1st pick. Big difference in salary implications.

2nd we are also taking about an RFA to UFA. When Brees was RFA, they kept him for another year.(Or I think they did)

3rd. We are not talking about a one year wonder which is all Anderson is at this point. I just think AJ Feeley a few years back. Even Schuabb last year. Was he worth the price in the end when Sage gets so much talk right now.

I think most of the teams mentioned are better keeping there picks in the end and developing a QB. Anderson will not make them contenders. Now if the price was right, than all changes but 1st or high 2nd is way too high of a price in the end for these teams. Not to mention the big contract you have to give Anderson on top of this. Let Cleveland sign him and than go after him. Let them eat the bonus.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

 

[TankRizzo]

And Winslow kicks off the offseason by throwing Anderson under the bus. From rotoworld:

Kellen Winslow believes Brady Quinn will be the Browns' starting quarterback in 2008.

"We drafted him," Winslow said. "He's probably going to play. Derek (Anderson) is a great guy, but that's just the way this business works."

I think Winslow is being realistic. He's right- it's very rare that a 1st round QB doesn't get a chance to start.I hope the Browns get some serious draft picks for Anderson. If we could get back into the top of the first round and get a second or maybe a third, I'd make the trade in a heartbeat. DA's last 8 games were mediocre at best. He's a very inaccurate QB with questionable decision making, a cannon arm, and a quick release. Winslow + Edwards could make any QB look great (OK, well, maybe not Charlie Frye).

It's not like he was a top 10 pick. Just look at Aaron Rodgers. They're in no hurry to push Favre out the door to usher in the Rodgers era.

 

[Bobcat10]

how difficult is it to find or develop a good to very good starting QB in the NFL? a lot of teams wish they had D Anderson....if i were the Browns I wouldnt part with him for less than a rd 1 pick plus try to get other considerations....look at teams in the Playoffs (e.g. San Diego) or on verge of Playoffs (e.g. Minnesota) that could be better with D Anderson at the helm rather than what they have now.....If it took a late round 1 pick to get B Quinn last year, I would hold out for earlier picks if I was trading D Anderson. Otherwise you are deluding yourself.....but that's just my 0.02 worth....tex

But if you hold out for a 1st this year and don't get it, then you end up with nothing next year. Look at what happened to the Chargers - they got ZERO for Drew Brees. If the plan is to go with Quinn eventually, take what you can for Anderson, even if it's not a 1st.

Just catching up here...but this is a .

 

[burd]

i totally agree w/ the posters that say that this is Brees/Rivers all over again. Granted it's not exactly the same scenario, but what is very similar is that SD had a QB (Brees) that they weren't happy with. They spent a top pick to upgrade the position, when all of a sudden, Brees got his head out of his #ss and started playing well. The only reason why Brees was shipped off was because mngt was under pressure to put their "savior" on the field. It helped that Brees injured his shoulder, but i think the writing was on the wall and SD mngt was committed to getting rid of Brees. Too bad too, because I think their Super Bowl window was open then and w/ Rivers running the show, I think that window is closing quickly, if it hasn't completely closed already.

The only logical reason why a team would get rid of a QB who has played well in favor of a highly touted and unproven QB is pressure. Pressure from the owners, the fans, mngt .. you name it. Any other explanation doesn't make sense.

 

[Bobcat10]

Bad decision here. We know Anderson can play pretty well in the NFL. We do not know that about Quinn. This is Brees/Rivers all over again.

No, this is similar to Brees/Rivers before Brees went to NO and Rivers took over in SD. Anything that's happened since then cannot be applied here. You're assuming too much. Also, it's never a bad decision to entertain offers. If they didn't, they are not doing their job.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Bad decision here. We know Anderson can play pretty well in the NFL. We do not know that about Quinn. This is Brees/Rivers all over again.

No, this is similar to Brees/Rivers before Brees went to NO and Rivers took over in SD. Anything that's happened since then cannot be applied here. You're assuming too much. Also, it's never a bad decision to entertain offers. If they didn't, they are not doing their job.

I understand what you are saying but even before we saw Brees in NO and Rivers in SD it was a bad decision. You're taking a pretty big chance in my opinion that the untested QB will be better than the QB you've seen that does pretty well. Do people really think that Quinn is going to be a consistent top 5 or top 10 QB? That's what he would need to be to make it worthwhile to hang on to him over Anderson. The same thing was true in SD and it sure seems like Rivers isn't better than Brees. SD should have traded Rivers for what they could get and gone with Brees. A high draft pick or huge signing bonus is a sunk cost and it makes no sense to decide to keep one player over another because of those sunk costs.

 

[burd]

Bad decision here. We know Anderson can play pretty well in the NFL. We do not know that about Quinn. This is Brees/Rivers all over again.

No, this is similar to Brees/Rivers before Brees went to NO and Rivers took over in SD. Anything that's happened since then cannot be applied here. You're assuming too much. Also, it's never a bad decision to entertain offers. If they didn't, they are not doing their job.

I understand what you are saying but even before we saw Brees in NO and Rivers in SD it was a bad decision. You're taking a pretty big chance in my opinion that the untested QB will be better than the QB you've seen that does pretty well. Do people really think that Quinn is going to be a consistent top 5 or top 10 QB? That's what he would need to be to make it worthwhile to hang on to him over Anderson. The same thing was true in SD and it sure seems like Rivers isn't better than Brees. SD should have traded Rivers for what they could get and gone with Brees. A high draft pick or huge signing bonus is a sunk cost and it makes no sense to decide to keep one player over another because of those sunk costs.

 

[redman]

Bad decision here. We know Anderson can play pretty well in the NFL. We do not know that about Quinn. This is Brees/Rivers all over again.

No, this is similar to Brees/Rivers before Brees went to NO and Rivers took over in SD. Anything that's happened since then cannot be applied here. You're assuming too much. Also, it's never a bad decision to entertain offers. If they didn't, they are not doing their job.

I understand what you are saying but even before we saw Brees in NO and Rivers in SD it was a bad decision. You're taking a pretty big chance in my opinion that the untested QB will be better than the QB you've seen that does pretty well. Do people really think that Quinn is going to be a consistent top 5 or top 10 QB? That's what he would need to be to make it worthwhile to hang on to him over Anderson. The same thing was true in SD and it sure seems like Rivers isn't better than Brees. SD should have traded Rivers for what they could get and gone with Brees. A high draft pick or huge signing bonus is a sunk cost and it makes no sense to decide to keep one player over another because of those sunk costs.

I think there's a lot of truth to this. IMHO in this situation people are once again making the mistake of placing draft position over actual NFL performance in terms of importance here. Quinn may or may not be a good NFL player - that's all you can say about him right now, even if you're a Browns coach who watches him workout every day. Anderson is already an above-average NFL starter and is capable of playing at an outstanding level on some days. As with Rivers in SD, Quinn as a first rounder retains his draft day value fairly well over the first year or two of his career, which means he can be traded by Cleveland for the same or similar value that they expended to get him - a late first rounder. Yeah, they might regret it, but they don't know that and the one thing they can be sure of is what they have in Anderson.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I feel like people always miss the main point in these types of threads: How has Quinn been looking in practice?

We have no clue, but the Browns coaches have seen him play every day in practice for an entire season. They probably have a very good clue of his capabilities. Obviously its not a game, and obviously some QBs could do great in practice but then struggle under pressure in a game. But overall I think that Quinn's progress in practice is THE MOST IMPORTANT factor on whether or not they'll trade Anderson.

 

[massraider]

I feel like people always miss the main point in these types of threads: How has Quinn been looking in practice?We have no clue, but the Browns coaches have seen him play every day in practice for an entire season. They probably have a very good clue of his capabilities. Obviously its not a game, and obviously some QBs could do great in practice but then struggle under pressure in a game. But overall I think that Quinn's progress in practice is THE MOST IMPORTANT factor on whether or not they'll trade Anderson.

The most important factor is the price they paid for him.If Quinn was a 2nd round pick, this thread wouldn't exist. The Browns would be looking to sign Anderson long term. Instead, it's "Well, we drafted Quinn, and gave up two first round picks for him, so...."I completely understand that thinking, and the Browns obviously liked Quinn's prospects, and I am sure they still do. But, umm, they have a QB putting up numbers NOW. Hey, Quinn wasn't the 1 overall pick, his contract isn't huge by any stretch. I think trading away Anderson just because you have a guy that you think may turn out good is a step backwards, at least in the short term.

 

[cartel]

Bad decision here. We know Anderson can play pretty well in the NFL. We do not know that about Quinn. This is Brees/Rivers all over again.

No, this is similar to Brees/Rivers before Brees went to NO and Rivers took over in SD. Anything that's happened since then cannot be applied here. You're assuming too much. Also, it's never a bad decision to entertain offers. If they didn't, they are not doing their job.

I understand what you are saying but even before we saw Brees in NO and Rivers in SD it was a bad decision. You're taking a pretty big chance in my opinion that the untested QB will be better than the QB you've seen that does pretty well. Do people really think that Quinn is going to be a consistent top 5 or top 10 QB? That's what he would need to be to make it worthwhile to hang on to him over Anderson. The same thing was true in SD and it sure seems like Rivers isn't better than Brees. SD should have traded Rivers for what they could get and gone with Brees. A high draft pick or huge signing bonus is a sunk cost and it makes no sense to decide to keep one player over another because of those sunk costs.

I do not think this situation is very close to the one in SD. I do not think DA is close to as good as Brees. DA was very average the second half of the season and his accuracy is not very good. Brees looked very good the season before SD let him go and had he not had that shoulder injury most would have projected him a top 10 qb the following year...

 

[FUBAR]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I feel like people always miss the main point in these types of threads: How has Quinn been looking in practice?We have no clue, but the Browns coaches have seen him play every day in practice for an entire season. They probably have a very good clue of his capabilities. Obviously its not a game, and obviously some QBs could do great in practice but then struggle under pressure in a game. But overall I think that Quinn's progress in practice is THE MOST IMPORTANT factor on whether or not they'll trade Anderson.

People said the same thing in SD. The coaches are seeing Rivers in practice every day, so they know he's better than Brees. I say bull. Unless the Browns are very unusual, the first string QB is still getting a large majority of the snaps every week in practice. So the Browns coaches are not seeing Quinn in practice as they would if he was the starter. After two years, I would say Brees was excellent in both years while Rivers was pretty good last year and pretty bad this year. The problem is the ego of the general manager and coach who drafted the 1st round QB.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Bad decision here. We know Anderson can play pretty well in the NFL. We do not know that about Quinn. This is Brees/Rivers all over again.

No, this is similar to Brees/Rivers before Brees went to NO and Rivers took over in SD. Anything that's happened since then cannot be applied here. You're assuming too much. Also, it's never a bad decision to entertain offers. If they didn't, they are not doing their job.

I understand what you are saying but even before we saw Brees in NO and Rivers in SD it was a bad decision. You're taking a pretty big chance in my opinion that the untested QB will be better than the QB you've seen that does pretty well. Do people really think that Quinn is going to be a consistent top 5 or top 10 QB? That's what he would need to be to make it worthwhile to hang on to him over Anderson. The same thing was true in SD and it sure seems like Rivers isn't better than Brees. SD should have traded Rivers for what they could get and gone with Brees. A high draft pick or huge signing bonus is a sunk cost and it makes no sense to decide to keep one player over another because of those sunk costs.

I do not think this situation is very close to the one in SD. I do not think DA is close to as good as Brees. DA was very average the second half of the season and his accuracy is not very good. Brees looked very good the season before SD let him go and had he not had that shoulder injury most would have projected him a top 10 qb the following year...

I agree that Anderson is not Brees, but by the same token, Quinn is not Rivers either. Quinn was taken with the 19th pick (right?) and has only sat on the bench for 1 season. Rivers was the 4th pick and had been on the bench for two seasons. It seems to me that the SD situation, even though I don't agree with, was more justified because of those differences. Not to mention the age angle, ie. there was a bigger difference in Brees/Rivers age to justified "going younger at QB" than there is in Anderson/Quinn.

 

[Bobcat10]

Bad decision here. We know Anderson can play pretty well in the NFL. We do not know that about Quinn. This is Brees/Rivers all over again.

No, this is similar to Brees/Rivers before Brees went to NO and Rivers took over in SD. Anything that's happened since then cannot be applied here. You're assuming too much. Also, it's never a bad decision to entertain offers. If they didn't, they are not doing their job.

I understand what you are saying but even before we saw Brees in NO and Rivers in SD it was a bad decision. You're taking a pretty big chance in my opinion that the untested QB will be better than the QB you've seen that does pretty well. Do people really think that Quinn is going to be a consistent top 5 or top 10 QB? That's what he would need to be to make it worthwhile to hang on to him over Anderson. The same thing was true in SD and it sure seems like Rivers isn't better than Brees. SD should have traded Rivers for what they could get and gone with Brees. A high draft pick or huge signing bonus is a sunk cost and it makes no sense to decide to keep one player over another because of those sunk costs.

I do not think this situation is very close to the one in SD. I do not think DA is close to as good as Brees. DA was very average the second half of the season and his accuracy is not very good. Brees looked very good the season before SD let him go and had he not had that shoulder injury most would have projected him a top 10 qb the following year...

What I'm seeing here is people who believe in DA and people who have doubt. That's the basis of just about every post whether it spells that out or not. Anderson has value right now (more than Quinn) and if the right deal approaches the Browns, they have to take it assuming they are comfortable handing everything over to Quinn. They have a commodity in DA who, imo, is just as much an unknown when looking into the future as is Quinn. Then you also have the draft position angle regarding Quinn. It's a great angle to take here because it makes sense and you can reference San Diego very easily. Only problem is people are seeing the aftermath from SD and New Orleans and applying it in this situation too soon. The situations are a little different at this point. Also, I don't know the answer to this.....was there this talk (trading Brees) in SD before Brees' contract year?

 

[Smeagol]

why not entertain offers for Quinn instead of Anderson? It looks like they finally found a stable QB in Anderson .... they have no idea what they have or don't have in QUinn. IDK ... there's some old saying about a bird in hand. I forget how the rest of it goes.

Talent aside, Quinn is a lot more marketable.

 

[Dexter Manley]

The Brees/Rivers comparison isn't applicable here imo.

1) Brees was coming off major shoulder surgery. Heck, the Dolphins thought Culpepper recovering from ACL surgery was a lower health risk than Brees.

2) Brees was clearly a better qb than DA when the Bolts made their decision to let him go.

3) Rivers had a huge, top 3 pick contract. Quinn's contract is much more cap friendly.

4) SD traded down to get Rivers, and had plenty of draft picks. Cleveland traded away this year's 1st rounder for Quinn, so they could definitely benefit from acquiring a 1st round pick this year.

Basically what I'm getting at is that people need to stop talking about Brees/Rivers when discussing what the Browns should do with their qb situation. The 2 situations have almost nothing in common -- almost all of the key variables are different.

 

[nxmehta]

The Brees/Rivers comparison isn't applicable here imo.1) Brees was coming off major shoulder surgery. Heck, the Dolphins thought Culpepper recovering from ACL surgery was a lower health risk than Brees.2) Brees was clearly a better qb than DA when the Bolts made their decision to let him go.3) Rivers had a huge, top 3 pick contract. Quinn's contract is much more cap friendly. 4) SD traded down to get Rivers, and had plenty of draft picks. Cleveland traded away this year's 1st rounder for Quinn, so they could definitely benefit from acquiring a 1st round pick this year.Basically what I'm getting at is that people need to stop talking about Brees/Rivers when discussing what the Browns should do with their qb situation. The 2 situations have almost nothing in common -- almost all of the key variables are different.

Very, very This just about sums it up.

 

[Bobcat10]

The Brees/Rivers comparison isn't applicable here imo.1) Brees was coming off major shoulder surgery. Heck, the Dolphins thought Culpepper recovering from ACL surgery was a lower health risk than Brees.2) Brees was clearly a better qb than DA when the Bolts made their decision to let him go.3) Rivers had a huge, top 3 pick contract. Quinn's contract is much more cap friendly. 4) SD traded down to get Rivers, and had plenty of draft picks. Cleveland traded away this year's 1st rounder for Quinn, so they could definitely benefit from acquiring a 1st round pick this year.Basically what I'm getting at is that people need to stop talking about Brees/Rivers when discussing what the Browns should do with their qb situation. The 2 situations have almost nothing in common -- almost all of the key variables are different.

While I'm with you that it's not the perfect comparison....what options did SD have after Brees' contract year of 2005? Franchise tag him is about it, right? Basically, when Brees was injured, Brees was not a Charger. We need to be talking about Brees before his contract year (after the 2004 season, which was also a very good season for him) or just not even bringing the injury to the table here. DA is not UFA as Brees was when he had shoulder surgery.

 

[awesomeness]

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Browns will entertain offers for Anderson

The Browns will entertain offers but won't accept any ridiculous isulting offers. The value of a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed, first alternate to the Pro Bowl, double digit winning QB in his first year of starting, NFL QB in a QB starved league in a poor QB deficient draft with an even worse free agent crop on the menu. Hint, its not a second round pick.

The Browns had the LOWEST QB payroll in the entire league last year. They hold the second highest salary cap in the league. Cleveland will not make a move unless they are blown out of the water by an offer. The Browns ENVIOUS QB is not a problem. Uncovering a gem at the most difficult position in the league to have quality let alone quality depth is NOT a problem.

The Browns are not in a Drew Brees situation. DA is not making any money, he's at the minimual salary cap. DA is not an UFA, he's a RFA meaning the Browns have two years and then can franchise him indefinitely. The Browns haven't sat Quinn for two years as the Bolts did with Rivers. The Bolts were bumping up against the salary cap and were not holding the second highest cap in the league as the Browns are. So any talk of a Drew Brees situation is absurd. Any talk that DA is a bad QB or that the terrible QBs coming out are better than he is or should be valued higher than he should be are whacked.

DA for a second round pick? A second round draft pick? Drew Brees?

Not a freak'n chance.

 

[Bobcat10]

Browns will entertain offers for Anderson

The Browns will entertain offers but won't accept any ridiculous isulting offers. The value of a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed, first alternate to the Pro Bowl, double digit winning QB in his first year of starting, NFL QB in a QB starved league in a poor QB deficient draft with an even worse free agent crop on the menu. Hint, its not a second round pick.

The Browns had the LOWEST QB payroll in the entire league last year. They hold the second highest salary cap in the league. Cleveland will not make a move unless they are blown out of the water by an offer. The Browns ENVIOUS QB is not a problem. Uncovering a gem at the most difficult position in the league to have quality let alone quality depth is NOT a problem.

The Browns are not in a Drew Brees situation.

DA is not making any money, he's at the minimual salary cap.

DA is not an UFA, he's a RFA meaning the Browns have two years and then can franchise him indefinitely.

The Browns haven't sat Quinn for two years as the Bolts did with Rivers. The Bolts were bumping up against the salary cap and were not holding the second highest cap in the league as the Browns are. So any talk of a Drew Brees situation is absurd. Any talk that DA is a bad QB or that the terrible QBs coming out are better than he is or should be valued higher than he should be are whacked.

DA for a second round pick? A second round draft pick? Drew Brees?

Not a freak'n chance.

Also a plus in trying to move him if they so choose, it makes him marketable.Two years counting this past year? So really one more year...

 

[Fallerjw]

Browns will entertain offers for AndersonThe Browns will entertain offers but won't accept any ridiculous isulting offers. The value of a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed, first alternate to the Pro Bowl, double digit winning QB in his first year of starting, NFL QB in a QB starved league in a poor QB deficient draft with an even worse free agent crop on the menu. Hint, its not a second round pick. The Browns had the LOWEST QB payroll in the entire league last year. They hold the second highest salary cap in the league. Cleveland will not make a move unless they are blown out of the water by an offer. The Browns ENVIOUS QB is not a problem. Uncovering a gem at the most difficult position in the league to have quality let alone quality depth is NOT a problem. The Browns are not in a Drew Brees situation. DA is not making any money, he's at the minimual salary cap. DA is not an UFA, he's a RFA meaning the Browns have two years and then can franchise him indefinitely. The Browns haven't sat Quinn for two years as the Bolts did with Rivers. The Bolts were bumping up against the salary cap and were not holding the second highest cap in the league as the Browns are. So any talk of a Drew Brees situation is absurd. Any talk that DA is a bad QB or that the terrible QBs coming out are better than he is or should be valued higher than he should be are whacked. DA for a second round pick? A second round draft pick? Drew Brees? Not a freak'n chance.

 

[Gopher State]

Browns will entertain offers for AndersonThe Browns will entertain offers but won't accept any ridiculous isulting offers. The value of a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed, first alternate to the Pro Bowl, double digit winning QB in his first year of starting, NFL QB in a QB starved league in a poor QB deficient draft with an even worse free agent crop on the menu. Hint, its not a second round pick. The Browns had the LOWEST QB payroll in the entire league last year. They hold the second highest salary cap in the league. Cleveland will not make a move unless they are blown out of the water by an offer. The Browns ENVIOUS QB is not a problem. Uncovering a gem at the most difficult position in the league to have quality let alone quality depth is NOT a problem. The Browns are not in a Drew Brees situation. DA is not making any money, he's at the minimual salary cap. DA is not an UFA, he's a RFA meaning the Browns have two years and then can franchise him indefinitely. The Browns haven't sat Quinn for two years as the Bolts did with Rivers. The Bolts were bumping up against the salary cap and were not holding the second highest cap in the league as the Browns are. So any talk of a Drew Brees situation is absurd. Any talk that DA is a bad QB or that the terrible QBs coming out are better than he is or should be valued higher than he should be are whacked. DA for a second round pick? A second round draft pick? Drew Brees? Not a freak'n chance.

Safe to say no one will give more then a 2nd round pick for Anderson, so he should stay a Brown. Maybe he can learn to play some D to help the Browns out.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Browns are morons if they let this guy go.

 

[Fallerjw]

Browns will entertain offers for AndersonThe Browns will entertain offers but won't accept any ridiculous isulting offers. The value of a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed, first alternate to the Pro Bowl, double digit winning QB in his first year of starting, NFL QB in a QB starved league in a poor QB deficient draft with an even worse free agent crop on the menu. Hint, its not a second round pick. The Browns had the LOWEST QB payroll in the entire league last year. They hold the second highest salary cap in the league. Cleveland will not make a move unless they are blown out of the water by an offer. The Browns ENVIOUS QB is not a problem. Uncovering a gem at the most difficult position in the league to have quality let alone quality depth is NOT a problem. The Browns are not in a Drew Brees situation. DA is not making any money, he's at the minimual salary cap. DA is not an UFA, he's a RFA meaning the Browns have two years and then can franchise him indefinitely. The Browns haven't sat Quinn for two years as the Bolts did with Rivers. The Bolts were bumping up against the salary cap and were not holding the second highest cap in the league as the Browns are. So any talk of a Drew Brees situation is absurd. Any talk that DA is a bad QB or that the terrible QBs coming out are better than he is or should be valued higher than he should be are whacked. DA for a second round pick? A second round draft pick? Drew Brees? Not a freak'n chance.

Safe to say no one will give more then a 2nd round pick for Anderson, so he should stay a Brown. Maybe he can learn to play some D to help the Browns out.

It's interesting that you say that. He's had a better season than Schaub ever had. He's 24, in his first year of starting and just threw for almost 3,800 yards, 29 TDs and ran 3 more in. If any other team had a QB that did this the asking price would be at least a 1st and 3rd round pick. Since it is the Browns, no team will give more than a 2nd. Is that right?

 

[rgmnchr]

I feel like people always miss the main point in these types of threads: How has Quinn been looking in practice?We have no clue, but the Browns coaches have seen him play every day in practice for an entire season. They probably have a very good clue of his capabilities. Obviously its not a game, and obviously some QBs could do great in practice but then struggle under pressure in a game. But overall I think that Quinn's progress in practice is THE MOST IMPORTANT factor on whether or not they'll trade Anderson.

The coaches know what they have in BQ. They knew what they had with Charlie Frye too and my belief was that they prayed Frye would show signs of life so that someone would bite and thay could get a possible 3rd rounder for him and start BQ sometime during this season. Instead he was god awful in preseason(DA wasnt any better) and completely embarrassing at the start of the Pitts game. At this point they knew they had to get Dorsey back on the roster(he was our best preseason qb) if only to teach and tutor BQ. There was no way they were gonna hold 4 qb so CF or DA had to go. They knew Frye would never amount to anything and at least DA still had the possibility of being somewhat productive until game 6-7 when BQ could be turned loose. So Frye was gone. In c omes Dorsey who knows the offense and is wssentially BQ's qb coach. DA starts out on fire. Great for everybody, except BQ.The Browns now cant/have no need to pull DA and so BQ sits, locked and loaded and the Browns know it. So DA's value just keeps rising and the rowns are ecstatic that they might be able to get their first round pick back for the second best QB on their team! Unfortunately DA couldn t get us to the playoffs so his value is not as high as it once was but it is still higher than it will ever be, and the Browns know it. They also know that they are on the verge of something big in Cleveland and they are not going to start DA next year only to lose him for nothing and then start BQ in '09. They will get something for DA and judging by the recent history with Savage and Crennell they will get something worthwhile.

 

[FBGPoker]

If the Brownies get any sniff of a 1st they will take it, run, and laugh to themselves that some team gave up a 1st for a QB who stunk once defensive coaches got some film on him.

A lot of QB's start out hot when defenses have no info on them.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Am I micromanaging or does Colt Brennan's showing last night bump Anderson's value a tad?

 

[Walter Slovotsky]

how difficult is it to find or develop a good to very good starting QB in the NFL? a lot of teams wish they had D Anderson....if i were the Browns I wouldnt part with him for less than a rd 1 pick plus try to get other considerations....

look at teams in the Playoffs (e.g. San Diego) or on verge of Playoffs (e.g. Minnesota) that could be better with D Anderson at the helm rather than what they have now.....

If it took a late round 1 pick to get B Quinn last year, I would hold out for earlier picks if I was trading D Anderson. Otherwise you are deluding yourself.....but that's just my 0.02 worth....

tex

But if you hold out for a 1st this year and don't get it, then you end up with nothing next year. Look at what happened to the Chargers - they got ZERO for Drew Brees. If the plan is to go with Quinn eventually, take what you can for Anderson, even if it's not a 1st.

Wrong, the Chargers did receive a compensatory draft pick for Drew Brees.

 

[Couch Potato]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

This year Hester broke the punt return TD record that was set last year by... um... who was that again? Oh yeah, Hester.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Although I think it's smart to shop him around....you never know what crazy offer you may get, but in the end the Browns would be foolish to not hang on to Anderson.

If it's not something outrageusly insane in their favor, hang on to him. You finished just a nose out of the playoffs, don't panic and blow up your team.

 

[FUBAR]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

This year Hester broke the punt return TD record that was set last year by... um... who was that again? Oh yeah, Hester.

Hester is the best punt returner in the league. One of the best KR, but...Hester's kick returns: 43 934 2 21.7

Cribbs kick returns: 59 1809 2 30.7

 

[Couch Potato]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

This year Hester broke the punt return TD record that was set last year by... um... who was that again? Oh yeah, Hester.

Hester is the best punt returner in the league. One of the best KR, but...Hester's kick returns: 43 934 2

21.7

Cribbs kick returns:

59 1809 2

30.7

About a minute after I posted it occurred to me you were probably distinguishing KRs and PRs, but I was too lazy to go back and alter my post. So we're on the same page now I think. But I'm guessing Chickenwang used the term 'kick' generically to include both punts and kickoffs.

 

[Riffraff]

But if you hold out for a 1st this year and don't get it, then you end up with nothing next year. Look at what happened to the Chargers - they got ZERO for Drew Brees. If the plan is to go with Quinn eventually, take what you can for Anderson, even if it's not a 1st.

Wrong, the Chargers did receive a compensatory draft pick for Drew Brees.

Correct, a 3rd round pick.People have a lot of hindsight 20/20 regarding Brees' injury.

If people actually compare what Brees and Rivers have done since the "split," they'll see that the Chargers didn't lose much at all.

Fantasy football affects people's rational thought way too much.

Cleveland should get what they can for Anderson.

He's a one (half?) year wonder and a journeyman QB. Capitalize on his perceived trade value.

 

[cleveland-men]

We need to keep this guy.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

This article out today indicates that Miami is interested in DA.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...0,6302224.story

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Crennel not contacted; Dolphs interested in QB Anderson?

By Harvey Fialkov | Sun-Sentinel.com

9:38 AM EST, January 5, 2008

Although several reports have included Browns coach Romeo Crennel as one of the candidates to succeed ousted Dolphins coach Cam Cameron, the Dolphins have not yet asked the Browns for permission to interview him, according to an e-mail from Crennel's agent Joe Linta.

The Dolphins are meeting with Cowboys assistant head coach Tony Sparano today in Dallas, and will interview Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier on Monday.

Sparano has worked with Parcells and GM Jeff Ireland in Dallas, but Frazier has no direct ties to Parcells. However, Frazier did play for the Bears in the 1980s when Ireland was a ball boy and his grandfather, Jim Parmer, worked in their personnel department.

Crennel has been with Parcells from the beginning, including the Giants' Super Bowl years, and then on to the Patriots and Jets. Crennel was under fire early this season when the Browns were struggling, but blossoming quarterback Derek Anderson helped lead a second-half surge as Cleveland finished 10-6, but missed the playoffs.

Crennel is believed to be negotiating a three-year extension.

However, he did say earlier this week that Anderson, a restricted free agent, could be had for the right price.

Parcells described the Dolphins quarterback situation as one filled with, "volatility,'' and GM Jeff Ireland said that finding a quarterback this offseason was, "very high on the priority list.''

"You've got to have a quarterback. You look at the teams that are in the playoffs, everybody has a quarterback and those quarterbacks are playing at a high level, so it's going to be very high,'' Ireland said.

Ireland said he was, "high'' on Dolphins rookie quarterback John Beck last draft, but acquiring Anderson would surely be an upgrade.

"If anybody's interested in him, we'll just have to see how it goes," Crennel said. "Sometimes people can make you an offer and you can say, 'No, I think I'm going to stick with what I've got.' Sometimes they make you an offer and you say, 'Oooh!' So we'll see how it goes."

Anderson threw for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns to go with 19 interceptions.

=============================================================

The first pick is the sort of thing that would make anyone go 'Oooh!' This also fits hand-glove with what Parcels had said in one of his last on-air interviews where he mentioned that any QB that he would pick would be a big tall strong armed pocket passer, Anderson is a big tall strong armed pocket passer. Parcels also said that he did not want to use the top pick on a QB because of the struggles that top drafted guys like JaMarcus Russell have had. He added that any use of the top pick would mean using up a huge chunk of salary cap and that would limit the number of players that he could add and he knew Miami needed more than one player. The savings of trading away the top pick was pointed out. Oakland used $31 million guaranteed to Russell. The cohost, Berhman, raised his eyebrows and tossed out to Parcels that he had traded away the top pick in the past and Parcels took that and added that, yeah but having the top pick is much harder to trade away due to the high cost. He basically was saying that he would be open to trading away the top pick and hinted the cost of the top pick and the uncertainty of using up that much money on an unproven guy was the duel reason. IOWs is seems like he'd dish down for LESS than perceived cost of the top pick.

The above article where the Phins are interested in Romeo Crennell AND Derrick Anderson could fit into a coach/QB trade for the top pick. Romeo, a Parcels guy. DA a big tall strong armed proven pocket passing QB, two years YOUNGER than Beck would be a guy they could build around and if the Tuna got Crennel then Romeo would feel comfortable with DA. Then add in the cap savings that Miami would get and it sets up a plausable trade scenario. Understood that coaches cannot be traded for draft picks but a scenario where a team trades their starting QB for the top pick in the draft and then ALLOWS their HC to sign with the team which traded with them would not violate that rule. Cleveland then could retain their OC and make him their HC and then move Quinn to the starting job and use the top pick on DT Glenn Dorsey. The Browns have $30 million in available cap space so they could swing signing the top pick and still land one decent free agent.

 

[Browns Rule!]

As a Browns fan, if we can get a first for Anderson, I would be so happy. IMO, the guy is a product of the system Chud has put in place, to go along with a great O-Line (Top 5), and 2 great receivers. I think he has a lot of work to do in certain areas. He is ok, but with Brady behind him, it would be great to get that draft pick.

 

[Gopher State]

This article out today indicates that Miami is interested in DA.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...0,6302224.story

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Crennel not contacted; Dolphs interested in QB Anderson?

By Harvey Fialkov | Sun-Sentinel.com

9:38 AM EST, January 5, 2008

Although several reports have included Browns coach Romeo Crennel as one of the candidates to succeed ousted Dolphins coach Cam Cameron, the Dolphins have not yet asked the Browns for permission to interview him, according to an e-mail from Crennel's agent Joe Linta.

The Dolphins are meeting with Cowboys assistant head coach Tony Sparano today in Dallas, and will interview Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier on Monday.

Sparano has worked with Parcells and GM Jeff Ireland in Dallas, but Frazier has no direct ties to Parcells. However, Frazier did play for the Bears in the 1980s when Ireland was a ball boy and his grandfather, Jim Parmer, worked in their personnel department.

Crennel has been with Parcells from the beginning, including the Giants' Super Bowl years, and then on to the Patriots and Jets. Crennel was under fire early this season when the Browns were struggling, but blossoming quarterback Derek Anderson helped lead a second-half surge as Cleveland finished 10-6, but missed the playoffs.

Crennel is believed to be negotiating a three-year extension.

However, he did say earlier this week that Anderson, a restricted free agent, could be had for the right price.

Parcells described the Dolphins quarterback situation as one filled with, "volatility,'' and GM Jeff Ireland said that finding a quarterback this offseason was, "very high on the priority list.''

"You've got to have a quarterback. You look at the teams that are in the playoffs, everybody has a quarterback and those quarterbacks are playing at a high level, so it's going to be very high,'' Ireland said.

Ireland said he was, "high'' on Dolphins rookie quarterback John Beck last draft, but acquiring Anderson would surely be an upgrade.

"If anybody's interested in him, we'll just have to see how it goes," Crennel said. "Sometimes people can make you an offer and you can say, 'No, I think I'm going to stick with what I've got.' Sometimes they make you an offer and you say, 'Oooh!' So we'll see how it goes."

Anderson threw for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns to go with 19 interceptions.

=============================================================

The first pick is the sort of thing that would make anyone go 'Oooh!' This also fits hand-glove with what Parcels had said in one of his last on-air interviews where he mentioned that any QB that he would pick would be a big tall strong armed pocket passer, Anderson is a big tall strong armed pocket passer. Parcels also said that he did not want to use the top pick on a QB because of the struggles that top drafted guys like JaMarcus Russell have had. He added that any use of the top pick would mean using up a huge chunk of salary cap and that would limit the number of players that he could add and he knew Miami needed more than one player. The savings of trading away the top pick was pointed out. Oakland used $31 million guaranteed to Russell. The cohost, Berhman, raised his eyebrows and tossed out to Parcels that he had traded away the top pick in the past and Parcels took that and added that, yeah but having the top pick is much harder to trade away due to the high cost. He basically was saying that he would be open to trading away the top pick and hinted the cost of the top pick and the uncertainty of using up that much money on an unproven guy was the duel reason. IOWs is seems like he'd dish down for LESS than perceived cost of the top pick.

The above article where the Phins are interested in Romeo Crennell AND Derrick Anderson could fit into a coach/QB trade for the top pick. Romeo, a Parcels guy. DA a big tall strong armed proven pocket passing QB, two years YOUNGER than Beck would be a guy they could build around and if the Tuna got Crennel then Romeo would feel comfortable with DA. Then add in the cap savings that Miami would get and it sets up a plausable trade scenario. Understood that coaches cannot be traded for draft picks but a scenario where a team trades their starting QB for the top pick in the draft and then ALLOWS their HC to sign with the team which traded with them would not violate that rule. Cleveland then could retain their OC and make him their HC and then move Quinn to the starting job and use the top pick on DT Glenn Dorsey. The Browns have $30 million in available cap space so they could swing signing the top pick and still land one decent free agent.

Good read, but Parcels would never trade 1# for Anderson, & a head coach, at worst the Fins would trade their #1 down for more picks.Parcels would work the draft for a great unknown QB or FA like Romo, IMO before he would trade a top pick

 

[Irish]

This article out today indicates that Miami is interested in DA.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...0,6302224.story

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Crennel not contacted; Dolphs interested in QB Anderson?

By Harvey Fialkov | Sun-Sentinel.com

9:38 AM EST, January 5, 2008

Although several reports have included Browns coach Romeo Crennel as one of the candidates to succeed ousted Dolphins coach Cam Cameron, the Dolphins have not yet asked the Browns for permission to interview him, according to an e-mail from Crennel's agent Joe Linta.

The Dolphins are meeting with Cowboys assistant head coach Tony Sparano today in Dallas, and will interview Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier on Monday.

Sparano has worked with Parcells and GM Jeff Ireland in Dallas, but Frazier has no direct ties to Parcells. However, Frazier did play for the Bears in the 1980s when Ireland was a ball boy and his grandfather, Jim Parmer, worked in their personnel department.

Crennel has been with Parcells from the beginning, including the Giants' Super Bowl years, and then on to the Patriots and Jets. Crennel was under fire early this season when the Browns were struggling, but blossoming quarterback Derek Anderson helped lead a second-half surge as Cleveland finished 10-6, but missed the playoffs.

Crennel is believed to be negotiating a three-year extension.

However, he did say earlier this week that Anderson, a restricted free agent, could be had for the right price.

Parcells described the Dolphins quarterback situation as one filled with, "volatility,'' and GM Jeff Ireland said that finding a quarterback this offseason was, "very high on the priority list.''

"You've got to have a quarterback. You look at the teams that are in the playoffs, everybody has a quarterback and those quarterbacks are playing at a high level, so it's going to be very high,'' Ireland said.

Ireland said he was, "high'' on Dolphins rookie quarterback John Beck last draft, but acquiring Anderson would surely be an upgrade.

"If anybody's interested in him, we'll just have to see how it goes," Crennel said. "Sometimes people can make you an offer and you can say, 'No, I think I'm going to stick with what I've got.' Sometimes they make you an offer and you say, 'Oooh!' So we'll see how it goes."

Anderson threw for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns to go with 19 interceptions.

=============================================================

The first pick is the sort of thing that would make anyone go 'Oooh!' This also fits hand-glove with what Parcels had said in one of his last on-air interviews where he mentioned that any QB that he would pick would be a big tall strong armed pocket passer, Anderson is a big tall strong armed pocket passer. Parcels also said that he did not want to use the top pick on a QB because of the struggles that top drafted guys like JaMarcus Russell have had. He added that any use of the top pick would mean using up a huge chunk of salary cap and that would limit the number of players that he could add and he knew Miami needed more than one player. The savings of trading away the top pick was pointed out. Oakland used $31 million guaranteed to Russell. The cohost, Berhman, raised his eyebrows and tossed out to Parcels that he had traded away the top pick in the past and Parcels took that and added that, yeah but having the top pick is much harder to trade away due to the high cost. He basically was saying that he would be open to trading away the top pick and hinted the cost of the top pick and the uncertainty of using up that much money on an unproven guy was the duel reason. IOWs is seems like he'd dish down for LESS than perceived cost of the top pick.

The above article where the Phins are interested in Romeo Crennell AND Derrick Anderson could fit into a coach/QB trade for the top pick. Romeo, a Parcels guy. DA a big tall strong armed proven pocket passing QB, two years YOUNGER than Beck would be a guy they could build around and if the Tuna got Crennel then Romeo would feel comfortable with DA. Then add in the cap savings that Miami would get and it sets up a plausable trade scenario. Understood that coaches cannot be traded for draft picks but a scenario where a team trades their starting QB for the top pick in the draft and then ALLOWS their HC to sign with the team which traded with them would not violate that rule. Cleveland then could retain their OC and make him their HC and then move Quinn to the starting job and use the top pick on DT Glenn Dorsey. The Browns have $30 million in available cap space so they could swing signing the top pick and still land one decent free agent.

Good read, but Parcels would never trade 1# for Anderson, & a head coach, at worst the Fins would trade their #1 down for more picks.Parcels would work the draft for a great unknown QB or FA like Romo, IMO before he would trade a top pick

I don't believe that the league allows coaches to get traded for picks anymore after the Gruden deal.

 

[FUBAR]

I don't believe that the league allows coaches to get traded for picks anymore after the Gruden deal.

Herm down?

 

[mad sweeney]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

What he has better stats this season, that makes him better? Engram has better stats than Steve Smith, is Engram a better WR? Teams gameplan around Hester. They don't kick the ball to him because of what he can do. And when they do he makes them pay. He changes the entire game he's in because of how good he is. Cribbs hasn't reached that status yet. He had a great season of returns, but he's still no Hester and I doubt you'll get anyone rational to agree with you.Pointing to stats like that is the dumbest way of proving a point there is.

 

[mad sweeney]

Mort reported that the Browns expect to sign him to a long term deal and they expect him to be the starter for 08. He also specualted that a long term deal would make him easier to trade after the 08 season if that's how it shakes out after another season of evaluating Quinn. I believe he also said that another team might swoop in but that he is expected to be a Brown next year.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Mort reported that the Browns expect to sign him to a long term deal and they expect him to be the starter for 08. He also specualted that a long term deal would make him easier to trade after the 08 season if that's how it shakes out after another season of evaluating Quinn. I believe he also said that another team might swoop in but that he is expected to be a Brown next year.

Just when we thought the Browns were going in the right direction...

 

[redman]

Mort reported that the Browns expect to sign him to a long term deal and they expect him to be the starter for 08. He also specualted that a long term deal would make him easier to trade after the 08 season if that's how it shakes out after another season of evaluating Quinn. I believe he also said that another team might swoop in but that he is expected to be a Brown next year.

Just when we thought the Browns were going in the right direction...

It's all about the cap. If the deal is cap friendly, and if properly structured it could be, then that could actually make a trade easier as it guarantees the player will remain under contract with the team that trades for him. I don't think this guarantees the Browns keep him at all.

 

[FUBAR]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

What he has better stats this season, that makes him better? Engram has better stats than Steve Smith, is Engram a better WR? Teams gameplan around Hester. They don't kick the ball to him because of what he can do. And when they do he makes them pay. He changes the entire game he's in because of how good he is. Cribbs hasn't reached that status yet. He had a great season of returns, but he's still no Hester and I doubt you'll get anyone rational to agree with you.Pointing to stats like that is the dumbest way of proving a point there is.

How else would you like to compare them? Believe it or not, cribbs has been every bit as good as Hester this year, stats show him to be better and you don't have any objective proof to argue against them. Both made the pro bowl this year. While Hester has more fame, Cribbs is every bit as good, he's simply underrated. Can we get back to the subject of this thread?