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Bryan Thomas questionable w/ Shoulder injury (1 Viewer)
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Funny, had just come across this gem in Tom Rock's blog in Newsday.
Had an interesting chat with Bryan Thomas late in the locker room session today. He wanted to know why everyone was asking about his shoulder. I told him because he was listed on the injury report this week. He didn’t know that. I guess those guys don’t keep track of such things with the fervor we do.
That might tell us all we need to know. Have to be a little skeptical though since Thomas is listed as not participating in team drills yesterday.
Had an interesting chat with Bryan Thomas late in the locker room session today. He wanted to know why everyone was asking about his shoulder. I told him because he was listed on the injury report this week. He didn’t know that. I guess those guys don’t keep track of such things with the fervor we do.
That might tell us all we need to know. Have to be a little skeptical though since Thomas is listed as not participating in team drills yesterday.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
The injury report says shoulder. The quick pass I made through the local news outlets this AM didn't mention any foot issues. We'll see what we get from today's report and tomorrow's beat writers.
Rovers
Footballguy
For some reason, I can't get Mangini's presser to replay at the Jets site, but I was able to find a blurb from a beat writer, NY Post I think it was, that Mangini said "Thomas should be able to play Sunday."
I think Thomas could have a big day against GB if he's healthy. I'm trying to decide between him, Kampman and Hali, and decide which one of the three to sit. I may play it safe with Hali and Kampman. Kampman goes up against Adrian Jones who was arrested for DWI and fined, but not suspended. He may be on the bench though, and despite the fact that the Jets have protected Pennington pretty well lately, I'm not sure who Kampman will go up against.... A Jones in the doghouse, or Clement... either way, it's a good matchup for Kampman... sorry about going off topic...
I think Thomas could have a big day against GB if he's healthy. I'm trying to decide between him, Kampman and Hali, and decide which one of the three to sit. I may play it safe with Hali and Kampman. Kampman goes up against Adrian Jones who was arrested for DWI and fined, but not suspended. He may be on the bench though, and despite the fact that the Jets have protected Pennington pretty well lately, I'm not sure who Kampman will go up against.... A Jones in the doghouse, or Clement... either way, it's a good matchup for Kampman... sorry about going off topic...
KFFL blurb from MFL mentions a foot problem:
(KFFL) J.P. Pelzman, of the Bergen Record, reports New York Jets LB Bryan Thomas (foot) was held out of some team drills Friday, Dec. 1, and is questionable for Week 13.
(KFFL) J.P. Pelzman, of the Bergen Record, reports New York Jets LB Bryan Thomas (foot) was held out of some team drills Friday, Dec. 1, and is questionable for Week 13.
aDingoAteMyBaby
Footballguy
The New York Jets have declared DL C.J. Mosley, RB Derrick Blaylock, FB James Hodgins, QB Kellen Clemens, RB Kevan Barlow, OL Na'Shan Goddard, DL Ryan Riddle inactive for Week 13.
He's not on the inactive list.... that's a good sign.....
He's not on the inactive list.... that's a good sign.....
Yeah, he had 1.5 sacks on the day.
Kinger
Footballguy
Plus 3 tackles, 2 assists and a forced fumble.All of my guys should have a 'shoulder injury'!nortobc said:Yeah, he had 1.5 sacks on the day.
Plus 3 tackles, 2 assists and a forced fumble.All of my guys should have a 'shoulder injury'!Yeah, he had 1.5 sacks on the day.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
He missed at least a portion of practice according to KFFL via the Bergen Record. What he does Thursday/Friday will go a long way in whether he plays or not.
http://www.kffl.com/player/1324/NFL
http://www.kffl.com/player/1324/NFL
Kinger
Footballguy
That is the big question. Excellent DL or below average LB? If he's switched to LB, he's cut in most leagues. I may have to shop around for another DE in the off-season, just in case. The fact that he's lasted so long as a DE listing does offer hope though. Not actually seeing any Jets games, how often does he line up on the line?
From the games I've seen, he lines up on the line most of the time.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Loaded question. Thomas aligns on the line of scrimmage on many snaps (as does Victor Hobson) but his correct positional designation is a LB. He's no more a defensive end than Roosevelt Colvin or Willie McGinest. The Jets have played some 4-3 this season, but only for a few series earlier in the season and sparingly after that.
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Kinger
Footballguy
Why is his 'correct positional designation' LB? The Jets website lists him as RDE. 
Look at the discussion a while back about the Ravens and thier LB's and how they line up. SLB, WLB - they don't mean much compared to other teams alignments. Some teams use right-left safety and not SS-FS. Who isn't the safety when a team puts 3 'safeties' out there? If some coach decided to line up 5 guys on the line as pass rushers every play, every game, wouldn't that make them linemen? What would that 5th guy be called?
I'm not saying he's not a LB (again, I don't see any Jets games) but what is the criteria for being labeled a DE or LB. It's a little easier on the offensive formations to pigeon-hole a guy due to certain things being disallowed, but there aren't any real limitaions on the defense. I wonder if sometimes we are just trying to force players into a tidy fantasy role to suit our lineup rules?
Look at the discussion a while back about the Ravens and thier LB's and how they line up. SLB, WLB - they don't mean much compared to other teams alignments. Some teams use right-left safety and not SS-FS. Who isn't the safety when a team puts 3 'safeties' out there? If some coach decided to line up 5 guys on the line as pass rushers every play, every game, wouldn't that make them linemen? What would that 5th guy be called?
I'm not saying he's not a LB (again, I don't see any Jets games) but what is the criteria for being labeled a DE or LB. It's a little easier on the offensive formations to pigeon-hole a guy due to certain things being disallowed, but there aren't any real limitaions on the defense. I wonder if sometimes we are just trying to force players into a tidy fantasy role to suit our lineup rules?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
By convention, the nomenclature of most defensive fronts are derived from the responsibilities of the front seven, but more specifically the defensive linemen. A defensive front with two gap responsibility is almost always referred to as a 3-4 front while a front with one gap responsibility is almost always a 4-3 front. A linebacker may be said to have multiple gap responsibility in some read-react schemes, but that's almost never the case for a professional OLB.Granted, it can get a little tricky with these hybrid front schemes at times. However, despite the multiple fronts, the Belichick hybrid form usually sticks to convention in their three and four down linemen fronts. That is, three down linemen play two gap technique, four down lineman single gap technique. The outside linebackers, whether on the line or not, aren't primarily responsible to control gaps at the LOS except that outside the TE which is again historically a LB responsibility anyway. Saban's version of a hybrid front scheme is the most difficult to name as he'll sometimes have one side of the line in two gap and the other in one gap roles.Your point about whether a scheme can be rightly classified as a 5-2 rather than an 3-4 at times is reasonable. However, the old 5-2 front schemes didn't give their "OLB" coverage responsibilities as the current forms do. If all five rushed and had gap control line responsibilities they'd all be rightly called DL. Back in the day, they were two ends, two tackles and a middle guard.I also appreciate the points about the new breed of interchangeable safeties and right-left backers vs SLB/WLB (which isn't new). But safeties are safeties and backers are backers in that case. The Big Nickel or roving safety is the better comparison and would be an interesting one to look at. Should Adam Archuleta have been designated a LB in 2002? Maybe.Regardless of what the Jets "official" depth chart says or some of their beat writers think, the Jet base defensive front has aligned in what would traditionally be called a 3-4. I'm happy to adjust to some new nomenclature, but until someone helps me to understand why Victor Hobson is a LB and Bryan Thomas is not I'll stick to my guns. The same base defensive scheme is, IMO, rightly termed a 3-4 defense by CLE and NE. Willie McGinest, Kamerion Wimbley, Roosevelt Colvin, etc should then be classified DE also.Thomas is the only outlier. His current classification is wrong by current convention.Why is his 'correct positional designation' LB? The Jets website lists him as RDE.
Rovers
Footballguy
Thomas is listed as a DE for one reason only. The official depth chart provided to the NFL (a required list that all NFL teams must provide), which can be found at NFL.com has him listed as a DE, and shows the Jets defense as a 4-3. MFL for instance, as well as the IDP leagues I'm in use that listing as the verbatim authority on how a player should be listed.
The reason for this is because at some team sites certain players will have a "slash" listing... like T Suggs at Batlimore is a DE/rush LB. Because the NFL does not support showing these "slash" players, and a given player has to be listed at only one position, using NFL.com at least eliminates disputes for IDP FF owners.
In the case of Bryan Thomas, he is listed as a DE simply because the Jets' PR department (not the coaches) listed him that way when they sent their official depth chart to the NFL. When questioned about it, Mangini said he thought the PR department had "Done a pretty good job." with the depth chart. The NY press was all up in arms in the preseason because Mangini would only give the reporters an alphabetical listing of players.... no depth chart.
Based on this, I am relatively comfortable believing Thomas' listing as a DE is unlikely to change next year. As Jene mentioned, he is the protypical OLB in what is considered to be a conventional 3-4, although both OLB's usually are in a stand up position on the line of scrimmage..... just the way they were lined up for the Steelers in last night's game.
The reason for this is because at some team sites certain players will have a "slash" listing... like T Suggs at Batlimore is a DE/rush LB. Because the NFL does not support showing these "slash" players, and a given player has to be listed at only one position, using NFL.com at least eliminates disputes for IDP FF owners.
In the case of Bryan Thomas, he is listed as a DE simply because the Jets' PR department (not the coaches) listed him that way when they sent their official depth chart to the NFL. When questioned about it, Mangini said he thought the PR department had "Done a pretty good job." with the depth chart. The NY press was all up in arms in the preseason because Mangini would only give the reporters an alphabetical listing of players.... no depth chart.
Based on this, I am relatively comfortable believing Thomas' listing as a DE is unlikely to change next year. As Jene mentioned, he is the protypical OLB in what is considered to be a conventional 3-4, although both OLB's usually are in a stand up position on the line of scrimmage..... just the way they were lined up for the Steelers in last night's game.
rustycolts
Footballguy
So whats his status for tommorow? Will he Play?
Rozelle
Moderator
He has been the last few weeks. I wouldn't be too concerned. Keep an eye on this thread, Rovers keeps us updated.
I am a Jets fan and am happy Bryan Thomas has stepped up to the bat and got paid for doing so. Strangely enough he is treated as a DL in my league and I have been starting all year with the exception of last week. He is again going into the game as questionable.
Will he start and if so will he play his role he has been in all year or will Hobson be used more in the pass rush??
I have Abraham and Little also and need to make a decision for my semifinal matchup....
Will he start and if so will he play his role he has been in all year or will Hobson be used more in the pass rush??
I have Abraham and Little also and need to make a decision for my semifinal matchup....
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I'm merging this with the other Thomas thread.As far as we know, Thomas is no more injured than he was three weeks ago. As far as the gameplan goes, only Mangini knows for certain but there's no reason to suspect that Thomas' role will change this week.
