Buckhalter Scoring Change (1 Viewer)

[acaplan]

From Eagles PR:

The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:

Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:

10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:

There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yard

TD pass from McNabb to Buckhalter

PASSING

McNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TD

RECEIVING

Brown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.

Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TD

PHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TD

FUMBLES

Brown and PHI team should have 0 fumbles

Buckhalter should have 0 recoveries.

PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

 

[swirvenirvin]

well when nfl.com changes it leagues might be able to change it, but until then

 

[Magnum]

From Eagles PR:The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yardTD pass from McNabb to BuckhalterPASSINGMcNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TDRECEIVINGBrown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TDPHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TDFUMBLESBrown and PHI team should have 0 fumblesBuckhalter should have 0 recoveries.PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

What does this mean to us.......fantasy owners of McNabb? The way I understand it......my host (www.myfantasyleague.com) goes by the stats on NFL.COM. So, does the NFL stick with the previous ruling or go with that of Elias Sports Bureau?

 

[derek19]

From Eagles PR:The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yardTD pass from McNabb to BuckhalterPASSINGMcNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TDRECEIVINGBrown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TDPHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TDFUMBLESBrown and PHI team should have 0 fumblesBuckhalter should have 0 recoveries.PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

What does this mean to us.......fantasy owners of McNabb? The way I understand it......my host (www.myfantasyleague.com) goes by the stats on NFL.COM. So, does the NFL stick with the previous ruling or go with that of Elias Sports Bureau?

It means he'll get 5 more points for throwing a TD, and some more points for the 55 yards. Which means i'll still lose by 3 or 4 points.

 

[bryhamm]

 

[bryhamm]

From Eagles PR:The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yardTD pass from McNabb to BuckhalterPASSINGMcNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TDRECEIVINGBrown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TDPHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TDFUMBLESBrown and PHI team should have 0 fumblesBuckhalter should have 0 recoveries.PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

What does this mean to us.......fantasy owners of McNabb? The way I understand it......my host (www.myfantasyleague.com) goes by the stats on NFL.COM. So, does the NFL stick with the previous ruling or go with that of Elias Sports Bureau?

It means he'll get 5 more points for throwing a TD, and some more points for the 55 yards. Which means i'll still lose by 3 or 4 points.

He won't get the full credit for 55 additional yards, only the yards from the original point of Brown "fumbling" up to the 55 yards.

 

[jafo]

From Eagles PR:The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yardTD pass from McNabb to BuckhalterPASSINGMcNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TDRECEIVINGBrown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TDPHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TDFUMBLESBrown and PHI team should have 0 fumblesBuckhalter should have 0 recoveries.PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

What does this mean to us.......fantasy owners of McNabb? The way I understand it......my host (www.myfantasyleague.com) goes by the stats on NFL.COM. So, does the NFL stick with the previous ruling or go with that of Elias Sports Bureau?

Considering that the Elias Sports Bureau is the Official Statistician for the NFL, I'd say the NFL will go with what they report.

 

[derek19]

From Eagles PR:

The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:

Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:

10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:

There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yard

TD pass from McNabb to Buckhalter

PASSING

McNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TD

RECEIVING

Brown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.

Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TD

PHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TD

FUMBLES

Brown and PHI team should have 0 fumbles

Buckhalter should have 0 recoveries.

PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

What does this mean to us.......fantasy owners of McNabb? The way I understand it......my host (www.myfantasyleague.com) goes by the stats on NFL.COM. So, does the NFL stick with the previous ruling or go with that of Elias Sports Bureau?

It means he'll get 5 more points for throwing a TD, and some more points for the 55 yards. Which means i'll still lose by 3 or 4 points.

He won't get the full credit for 55 additional yards, only the yards from the original point of Brown "fumbling" up to the 55 yards.

But it wasn't a fumble... Who knows... Gotta wait and see how the NFL scores it, if they change it that is...

 

[baronson]

anyone know if sportsline will update on its own, or if we have to inform our commissioners?

 

[jcuadrado]

this is big news if the nfl changes this play. After looking at that play several times I thought that Brown didn't have possession either...

 

[Magnum]

Considering that the Elias Sports Bureau is the Official Statistician for the NFL, I'd say the NFL will go with what they report.

Anybody know how long it usually takes the NFL to update their stats once Elias makes an official change? Also....where can I find a link on this "official change" to forward to my league commish? I own McNabb and my league awards bonus points for TD's over 50 yards. So, this looms big as my league is 50% Head2Head and 50% total points.

 

[Ditka is God]

I can't find anything on the Eagles site or NFL.com regarding this. Would be pleased if it were true, however.

 

[Trey]

This is the difference between a big loss or a key win for me...

I gotta watch closely.

 

[Marvelous]

Does anyone have a link for this? That would make the arguement for a scoring change much stronger.

 

[RonMexico]

Granted, it's not official but espn.com has the adjusted scoring.

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=261112021

 

[H.K.]

This is the difference between a big loss or a key win for me...I gotta watch closely.

Looks like you got it. Congrats!

 

[KellysHeroes]

good stuff

 

[varmint cong]

great, this scoring change is HUGE, lets hope they treat if correctly, esp. sportsline

 

[Beggin4Par]

great, this scoring change is HUGE, lets hope they treat if correctly, esp. sportsline

From what I've seen Sportsline is the one site without a backbone and will leave this scoring adjustment up to the discretion of our Commissioners. As if our Commissioners have ANY integrity.

 

[Bri]

From Eagles PR:The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yardTD pass from McNabb to BuckhalterPASSINGMcNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TDRECEIVINGBrown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TDPHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TDFUMBLESBrown and PHI team should have 0 fumblesBuckhalter should have 0 recoveries.PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

thanks Adam

 

[H.K.]

It would suck to be a Reggie Brown owner and lose after his stats go from 2 for 38 to 1 for 18.

FYI -ESPN has changed the game stats, but NFL.com has not yet...

 

[j3r3m3y]

great, this scoring change is HUGE, lets hope they treat if correctly, esp. sportsline

From what I've seen Sportsline is the one site without a backbone and will leave this scoring adjustment up to the discretion of our Commissioners. As if our Commissioners have ANY integrity.

Why play in a league where you don't trust the commish?

 

[belljr]

great, this scoring change is HUGE, lets hope they treat if correctly, esp. sportsline

From what I've seen Sportsline is the one site without a backbone and will leave this scoring adjustment up to the discretion of our Commissioners. As if our Commissioners have ANY integrity.

that's the wierd thing - they power the NFL stats. So if one changes they should both change

 

[Ditka is God]

It is mentioned on the Eagles Website now.

 

[Beggin4Par]

great, this scoring change is HUGE, lets hope they treat if correctly, esp. sportsline

From what I've seen Sportsline is the one site without a backbone and will leave this scoring adjustment up to the discretion of our Commissioners. As if our Commissioners have ANY integrity.

Why play in a league where you don't trust the commish?

Last year I trusted him. This year he is using the "I got engaged" excuse to just do whatever is easiest for him. He's changed rules twice this year because "He's too busy". I volunteered to take over for him, and he never even replied.It's my last year in the league for sure, but what's FFL GM to do?

 

[DolphinsFanAlways]

ESPN may have changed thier stats, but it still hasn't changed in my ESPN league. Not that it matters, I still lost in that league by 4 stinking points.My CBS league I still won, even without the change.

It would suck to be a Reggie Brown owner and lose after his stats go from 2 for 38 to 1 for 18.FYI -ESPN has changed the game stats, but NFL.com has not yet...

 

[footballgeek]

From Eagles PR:The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yardTD pass from McNabb to BuckhalterPASSINGMcNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TDRECEIVINGBrown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TDPHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TDFUMBLESBrown and PHI team should have 0 fumblesBuckhalter should have 0 recoveries.PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

 

[Pipes]

Shouldn't the thread title read "McNabb Scoring Change" because in realty that's who it's effecting on these boards?

 

[SteelerMurf]

I think it's too late for CBS to make a change to last weeks stats?????

My league luckily was not affected win/loss wise but I may get a push from the McNabb owner to add some points to his overall points total.

This is why being commish sucks, but luckily I have this in my league rules (which I think is a ripoff of the CBS Sportsline ruling)

Following the completion of each week's games, all statistics and point totals are verified, and corrections are made where necessary. However, all statistics and point totals for the week are considered FINAL as of Wednesday. If a stat correction is announced for the previous weekend's games on Wednesday or later, it will not be included in our statistics and your official Fantasy scoring will be based on the original statistic.

 

[Pipes]

I think it's too late for CBS to make a change to last weeks stats?????

My league luckily was not affected win/loss wise but I may get a push from the McNabb owner to add some points to his overall points total.

This is why being commish sucks, but luckily I have this in my league rules (which I think is a ripoff of the CBS Sportsline ruling)

Following the completion of each week's games, all statistics and point totals are verified, and corrections are made where necessary. However, all statistics and point totals for the week are considered FINAL as of Wednesday. If a stat correction is announced for the previous weekend's games on Wednesday or later, it will not be included in our statistics and your official Fantasy scoring will be based on the original statistic.

Yes you will...I've seen scoring changes done automatically in Yahoo as late as the Thursday after. As a commish it sucks because I go from beating the McNabb owner by 3 to losing by 2 but what can ya do?

 

[Pack43]

It would suck to be a Reggie Brown owner and lose after his stats go from 2 for 38 to 1 for 18.FYI -ESPN has changed the game stats, but NFL.com has not yet...

That's what would happen to me. Would go from a 1.4 pt win to a 1.6 pt loss and most likely end my playoff hopes. Anyone know where a video clip of the play is?

 

[H.K.]

It would suck to be a Reggie Brown owner and lose after his stats go from 2 for 38 to 1 for 18.FYI -ESPN has changed the game stats, but NFL.com has not yet...

That's what would happen to me. Would go from a 1.4 pt win to a 1.6 pt loss and most likely end my playoff hopes. Anyone know where a video clip of the play is?

Not sure how a video clip would help you, but you can find it easily by googling it.PS - Good game this weekend, NC State should have beat Clemson.

 

[Ned]

From Eagles PR:The Elias Sports Bureau officially changed the touchdown play by Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter in last Sunday's game vs. Washington. They ruled that Reggie Brown did not have possession of the ball and, therefore, did not fumble. Here's a breakdown of the official scoring of the play and subsequent statistical changes from the game:Scoring change to Week 10 WAS-PHI game:10:57 remaining 2nd QTR:There was NO FUMBLE on this play - it should be scored as a 55-yardTD pass from McNabb to BuckhalterPASSINGMcNabb should have 257 yards passing and 2 TDRECEIVINGBrown should be 1-for-18 with a long of 18.Buckhalter should be 1-for-55 with a TDPHI team should be 12-for-257 with a TDFUMBLESBrown and PHI team should have 0 fumblesBuckhalter should have 0 recoveries.PHI total yards should be 400; Net passing should be 255

 

[bc0312]

This was on Yahoo:

Nov 15 Les Bowen, of the Philadelphia Daily news, reports the NFL has changed Philadelphia Eagles WR Reggie Brown's catch and fumble that resulted in a fumble recovery and touchdown for RB Correll Buckhalter has been changed. The NFL ruled Brown did not have possession before Buckhalter caught his deflection, giving Buckhalter a 55-yard touchdown reception instead of a fumble recovery. WR Reggie Brown now has one catch for 18 yards during the Week 10 game. QB Donovan McNabb now has 257 yards passing in addition to the 55-yard touchdown pass.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

I think it's too late for CBS to make a change to last weeks stats?????

My league luckily was not affected win/loss wise but I may get a push from the McNabb owner to add some points to his overall points total.

This is why being commish sucks, but luckily I have this in my league rules (which I think is a ripoff of the CBS Sportsline ruling)

Following the completion of each week's games, all statistics and point totals are verified, and corrections are made where necessary. However, all statistics and point totals for the week are considered FINAL as of Wednesday. If a stat correction is announced for the previous weekend's games on Wednesday or later, it will not be included in our statistics and your official Fantasy scoring will be based on the original statistic.

Yes you will...I've seen scoring changes done automatically in Yahoo as late as the Thursday after. As a commish it sucks because I go from beating the McNabb owner by 3 to losing by 2 but what can ya do?

Any idea if and or when Yahoo will make this change, or are they going to leave it up to the discretion of league commissioners?

 

[buccosfan]

Elias missed the boat on this one. It was a reception and a fumble.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

From CBS Sportsline:

We do not change these official stats unless the NFL Official Stat, although we will include any late changes the NFL sends us by end-of-day Tuesday. If you play in a Football Commissioner league, the commissioner can manually change any scores in the league by using the ADJUST SCORING feature at the bottom of the SCOREBOARD page.

 

[Marvelous]

Granted, it's not official but espn.com has the adjusted scoring.

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=261112021

Thanks for the link. I sent out an email to the league on the scoring change and one person has already replied relatively favorably. He believes if the official stats are changed, then I be given the points and the win. However, only ESPN's box score shows the change. ESPN stats do not. NFL.com does not in the stats or boxsocre. Nor does Yahoo. I told them I thought eventually the players stats for week 11 will be updated so they add up correctly for the year. But we'll see. I don't think nfl.com updates the box score for scoring changes.

 

[Marvelous]

Shouldn't the thread title read "McNabb Scoring Change" because in realty that's who it's effecting on these boards?

Maybe, but as soon as I saw the title, I knew exactly which play it was about. So in that regard, the title works very well.

 

[Tankslap]

If anybody uses RT Sports, here's what support emailed back to me:

We have been made aware of the change by our stats provider. We will beupdating the scoring either this evening or tomorrow morning and will postan alert to your homepage.BarbRealTime Fantasy Sports, Inc.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

What should be interesting from a CBSSportsline POV is if after their mea culpa e-mail of last week giving themselves alot of failing marks, whether they will take this opportunity to correct an incorrect, albeit tardy, statistic from perhaps one of the most important FF forces in the NFL this year (McNabb) rather than rest on their pre-existing "end of the day Tuesday policy".

 

[footballgeek]

Elias missed the boat on this one. It was a reception and a fumble.

Sorry if you lose your game because of this, but it was NOT a Reggie Brown reception.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

From CBS Sportsline:We do not change these official stats unless the NFL Official Stat, although we will include any late changes the NFL sends us by end-of-day Tuesday. If you play in a Football Commissioner league, the commissioner can manually change any scores in the league by using the ADJUST SCORING feature at the bottom of the SCOREBOARD page.

That's all well and good, but you can't manually change a players stats, only the scoring. We give out cash for highest score at each position so this could very affect that in my league since McNabb and Manning are neck and neck....

 

[Swing 51]

What should be interesting from a CBSSportsline POV is if after their mea culpa e-mail of last week giving themselves alot of failing marks, whether they will take this opportunity to correct an incorrect, albeit tardy, statistic from perhaps one of the most important FF forces in the NFL this year (McNabb) rather than rest on their pre-existing "end of the day Tuesday policy".

I've been in a league that has used CBS for six years now and they have made scoring changes on Wed and Thurs before.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

I am amazed by the number of people who are unaware of the process for changes in stats for the NFL, and the governing rules for league hosting, and the lack of rules for leagues addressing this in fantasy leagues. This is just a small taste compared to IDP leagues!

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Does anyone know if the one place that actually matters, NFL.com, will change the stats?

I don't see how the stat change can be official if NFL.com hasn't even changed it yet.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Does anyone know if the one place that actually matters, NFL.com, will change the stats?I don't see how the stat change can be official if NFL.com hasn't even changed it yet.

See what I mean! Sorry FF....the short answer is when someone at the leagues web site (apparently it matters) employed by the the ultra reliable CBS, gets around to changing it!

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I am amazed by the number of people who are unaware of the process for changes in stats for the NFL, and the governing rules for league hosting, and the lack of rules for leagues addressing this in fantasy leagues. This is just a small taste compared to IDP leagues!

I guess this is the part where you wait for us to

 

[Swing 51]

On CBS I haven't made the change yet because when I navigate to Adjust Scoring:

Do not use Adjust Scoring to correct a scoring system problem or a missing statistic. When the missing statistic or problem is corrected your score would then become incorrect.

I fully expect them to make the correction tonight sometime.

 

[Pipes]

I am amazed by the number of people who are unaware of the process for changes in stats for the NFL, and the governing rules for league hosting, and the lack of rules for leagues addressing this in fantasy leagues. This is just a small taste compared to IDP leagues!

Not all of us play IDP leagues and in all my years of playing fantasy football I don't ever recall a QB suddenly being awarded a TD pass 3 days after his actual game. Seems like a pretty big deal to me.