Buffalo Safety-Damar Hamlin is awake and **Bills at Bengals** Game has been Canceled (4 Viewers)

[dickey moe]

Dr. David Chao is on the Jim Rome show right now and he said he's cautiously optimistic about Hamlin's recovery. He said it was crucial that the medical staff were able to restore Hamlin's heartbeat and breathing right there on the field (i.e., within seconds).

 

[Penguin]

NFL Network just announced the Bills are already back in Buffalo

 

[DJackson10]

I think @BassNBrew is absolutely right here. The cameras magnify things. Like I said earlier in this thread, an employee was killed at Park City Mountain Resort yesterday when a tree fell on the chair lift line. That lift and a few lifts around it were closed, but half the resort remained open. Today the entire resort is open. No one on this forum is upset about it, because no one here saw it live. This is all a pretty classic "empathy rarely extends beyond the line of sight" scenario.

To further point this out no one gave a dam about what Ray Rice did or called for his head till people saw the security footage. People very rarely cared about domestic violence in sports till that incident. Seeing things live or on tape makes a huge difference. I work in an industry that dealt with several Philly Athletes over the years. Heard some stories on guys gals fans think are great but ******** in real life and people are surprised when I tell them these stories.

Friend of mine works in Hollywood and did the theme song mix for the FOX SHOW Empire. He also helped on Silverlings playbook and a B movie for Vince Vaughn Collaberated with Meek Mill. He's met a ton of people. He said Beyounce is one of the worst he's dealt with. People think this girl is great but she's an absolute ***** to work for. Zero respect for the people who help her, very demanding and looks at people like they are lower then her. I'm willing to bet if someone severely filmed her behavior and leaked it out publicly a lot of people would be shocked. Similar with a lot of other things.

Seeing things live changes someones view and reaction

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ll walk back a bit of my initial anger at the NFL if the reports are true that there was never any 5 minutes and then play resumes order. That’s good. And shame on whoever put that out there if that wasn’t true.

The announcers of the game got it from somewhere. They didn’t make it up.

Could be an operator game scenario.

Hypothetical:

Field told officials “we need 5 to figure this out”

Officials told the booth “we’re sending players to the locker rooms for 5 to sort things out”

Booth told Buck “they gave the players 5 mins to get ready”

Buck told America “they’ll be back in 5”

In times of crisis communication gets completely ratf*****d. Would not surprise me at all if that’s what happened here.

 

[DJackson10]

I know many of you don’t follow international soccer closely but something very similar happened last year when one of the best players on the pitch collapsed during the Euro Championship tournament. Players ended up finishing that game.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ksen-collapses-middle-euro-2020-game-n1270583

He may also have already been stable when players agreed to finish the match. Whereas there were still so many unknowns of Hamlin's condition at the time.

He was stable, and was awake as they carried him off the field.

This was a different situation.

I got a real issue and maybe some will say not the place or time but ESPN completely ignored this incident from the Euro's over a 1 1/2 yrs ago last night. I know it's different sports but similar incidents. After what happened there you'd think sports leagues around the world would've went over their contingency plans in case god forbid this happened in their sport but ESPN who covered the Euro's glossed over this last night. It'd have been nice if someone mentioned similiarieties and differences to the 2. Maybe it was reactions of the moment and was by accident they forgot about this given the circumstances but I was completely surprised numerious people glossed over this. Ericksen incident was the first thing I thought of when I saw this last night.

I Know if I was in the NFLPA and saw the Eriksen incident I'd have immediately went to my fellow members and asked if we could go over with the league our plan was for this if it occurred.

 

[DJackson10]

can’t believe the talk here of a potential forfeit. On what grounds? That seems so ridiculous to me

The fact that we're even having to have this conversation is why we should move heaven and earth to play through games even when there's a serious injury. Now we're sitting here in Week 17.5 trying to figure out whether to call this game a forfeit, whether to force both teams to play an extra game on short rest right before the playoffs, or some other ridiculous alternative. Everybody was too busy dunking on Skip Bayless last night to think five minutes ahead.

Edit: This is not to say that postponing the game was the wrong decision. Just that if you supported the decision to postpone -- I'm okay with it -- then you have to be willing to live with a very unsatisfying resolution.

Agree completely and I fully expect to be dissatisfied with the NFL solution and the fantasy solutions but am willing to live with such dissatisfaction. I 100% back the decision to not continue with the game last night. Those players experienced real, actual trauma and the league would be arguably negligent in letting them continue.

Fortunately all but one of the games in my league didn't need any results last night to make a difference. I unfortunately made the Championship game next week and the guy I'm playing has a few Buff players. The one game needing to decide was a guy with Buff DEF and Mixon. That's just for draft position. If he had another defense I'd just sub out his RB and Def. Had the game been played fully he was down by 5 PTS something easily Mixon would've surpassed and given him the win.

 

[massraider]

Not being resumed this week, per nfl news guys

 

[zeeshan2]

[Field Yates] The Bills and Bengals will not be resumed this week. As of now, it is TBD whether the game will be resumed at a later time. As of now, there are no changes to the Week 18 schedule.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Not being resumed this week, per nfl news guys

let the meltdowns begin. i for one am happy with the news, any fantasy and financial fallouts be damned. i agreed with all of you who thought it would be rescheduled for tomorrow from a business standpoint and am quite surprised by this. kudos to NFL and NFLPA for the decision.

would love to hear though how this may play out for the playoff implications.

 

[jm192]

Welp.

Very curious as to how this plays out for the Fantasy Playoffs.

 

[FiredMartz]

Week 18 re-match or
Chop the pot if close or
Use avg. player points per week if not close

 

[Ministry of Pain]

From Tom Pelissero

After speaking with both teams and NFLPA leadership, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell informed the clubs today that the Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed this week. The NFL has made no decision regarding the possible resumption of the game at a later date.

Does not sound like the NFL want to try and replay or finish this game
I'm trying not to focus on the playoff implications and 1-2-3-4 seeds but it's hard not to
Some fans, personnel, coaches, staff, front offices, some folks are going to feel slighted whenever the seeding is finalized in the AFC
Just my opinion and I understand nothing I just posted mentions Hamlin and his struggles right now, doesn't make me feel good discussing the FF implications

 

[DJackson10]

The NFL and NFLPA agreed to go from 16 to 17 games ... more money was the main reason. The NFLPA vote was close and some "safety" concessions were obtained. It's mostly about maximizing the money, while a second priority is player safety, even for the NFLPA. Last night's injury was freakish, impossible to prevent. Note that Hamlin was playing because of a neck injury to another player. My brother played college ball for 2 years at a division 2 school and blames his knee and hip replacements on football. But he would do it again. Risk reward. Overall, tackle football is unhealthy.

Yep if you are too scared to get injured or play to not get hurt you can hurt yourself more. Do yourself the favor and quit if thats how you feel. My Grandfather pulled my uncle off the football field when he was younger overriding a coach and told my Uncle if he was going to play scared he was taking him off the field as he could hurt himself more. Coach was baffled but my Grandfather explained he played football himself and even played D1 at Temple back in the day. My Uncle's coach was nothing more then a volunteer and very green at the time. He ended up asking my Grandfather if he could help him coach rest of the season which he did

 

[Bri]

The NFL continues to be in regular contact with the medical team caring for Damar Hamlin, and also the Bills and Bengals organizations and the NFL Players Association.

After speaking with both teams and NFLPA leadership, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell informed the clubs today that the Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed this week.

The NFL has made no decision regarding the possible resumption of the game at a later date.

The league has not made any changes to the Week 18 regular season schedule.

We will continue to provide additional information as it becomes available.

****
Official statement

 

[Bri]

The NFL and NFLPA agreed to go from 16 to 17 games ... more money was the main reason. The NFLPA vote was close and some "safety" concessions were obtained. It's mostly about maximizing the money, while a second priority is player safety, even for the NFLPA. Last night's injury was freakish, impossible to prevent. Note that Hamlin was playing because of a neck injury to another player. My brother played college ball for 2 years at a division 2 school and blames his knee and hip replacements on football. But he would do it again. Risk reward. Overall, tackle football is unhealthy.

Yep if you are too scared to get injured or play to not get hurt you can hurt yourself more. Do yourself the favor and quit if thats how you feel. My Grandfather pulled my uncle off the football field when he was younger overriding a coach and told my Uncle if he was going to play scared he was taking him off the field as he could hurt himself more. Coach was baffled but my Grandfather explained he played football himself and even played D1 at Temple back in the day. My Uncle's coach was nothing more then a volunteer and very green at the time. He ended up asking my Grandfather if he could help him coach rest of the season which he did

The fear or apprehension is temporary though. We all know ya gotta get back on the horse so to speak. It's that temporary window that is the discussion point.

 

[matttyl]

Giving both teams a tie only helps KC I think

Means Cincinnati wins north

 

[SoBeDad]

I wonder if Hamlin's prognosis played a role in the NFL decision. Still in critical condition.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

[Field Yates] The Bills and Bengals will not be resumed this week. As of now, it is TBD whether the game will be resumed at a later time. As of now, there are no changes to the Week 18 schedule.

Good call IMO.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chaos

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Something similar happened in 2020 in college basketball too. Florida vs. Florida State in 2020 Keyontae Johnson (a superstar player, no less) collapsed during the game with a heart condition. He was sent to the hospital in critical condition and in a coma for 3 days.

Miraculously he's actually playing basketball again now. He started playing again about 2 years later.

Kind of shocked this hasn't been brought up yet as this is probably, by far, the most similar incident. Even moreso that Christian Eriksen because unlike Eriksen, Johnson was still fighting for his life for days after it happened.

 

[dickey moe]

Hamlin's gifts for kids Go Fund Me donations have surpassed $4M. Those funds could be placed in an endowment and vastly exceed his annual goal in perpetuity. Amazing.

 

[DJackson10]

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Bayless is like Brad Marchand of the Boston Bruins. It's his previous body of work that is the problem when he does stuff like this. His body of work is littered with inhumane, stupid, provocative things and people are no longer willing to cut him slack for it. He deserves the rep.

I didn't find his tweet at all offensive, but knowing his output, I'm not at all surprised people are having the reaction they're having to it.

I had the same reaction. I also think that at moments like that, people feel the need to have strong reactions, even better if they can find a villain. Hence all the takes in here about the NFL and the "five minutes", ESPN's coverage, etc. I'm not even judging anyone for that stuff. I think it's a totally normal human response. Seeing someone collapse like that is super scary and forces us all to confront our own mortality. We're going to have reactions that, in the cold light of day, may seem inappropriate.

FYI, shortly after I posted this, I listened to Chris Harris’ Harris Football podcast, where he opened the show by making the same point far more eloquently than I did. His key insight IMO was that all of this, from identifying villains to donating to Hamlin’s foundation, are all about giving us some feeling of control in a scary situation.

If you don’t want to listen to the whole podcast, you can just check out the first 5min or so to hear his take.

Bayless was truly distastless last night. I get playing a character but there's a time and place for it. We have a radio guy who does Sideline reporting for the Eagles and rarely does Radio anymore in Howard Eskin. He plays a character but knows when to be serious. Another guy on the other radio station doesn't. He's the guy who people obliterated for making fun of Victor Cruz blowing his knee out in the EZ. Chip Kelly and Eagles staff sent Cruz a gift basket after the game and the radio personality Mike Missinelli got blasted publicly by numerious fans.

FYI: Shannon Sharpe failed to show up for the show with Skip today and that IMHO is sending a strong message. I'd be shocked if Foxsports can continue with Skip on air. Shannon isn't the only one and numerious players have gone after Skip since the tweet. I talked to an Eagles source of mine just before coming on here and there's a lot of guys not just Eagles Players but around the league who want Skip fired from his job right now. Some of the reactions I'm sure are from Skip over the years antics but this guy was way out of line and should've stayed in his lane last night. Don't see how he can come back from this or the network now.

 

[DJackson10]

would love to hear though how this may play out for the playoff implications.

Dont think we'll get that for a few days. if this was the Sunday night game I could see a decision made by Tomorrow. But we might get one Thurs and I would say Fri at the latest.

 

[tricky92]

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Bayless is like Brad Marchand of the Boston Bruins. It's his previous body of work that is the problem when he does stuff like this. His body of work is littered with inhumane, stupid, provocative things and people are no longer willing to cut him slack for it. He deserves the rep.

I didn't find his tweet at all offensive, but knowing his output, I'm not at all surprised people are having the reaction they're having to it.

I had the same reaction. I also think that at moments like that, people feel the need to have strong reactions, even better if they can find a villain. Hence all the takes in here about the NFL and the "five minutes", ESPN's coverage, etc. I'm not even judging anyone for that stuff. I think it's a totally normal human response. Seeing someone collapse like that is super scary and forces us all to confront our own mortality. We're going to have reactions that, in the cold light of day, may seem inappropriate.

FYI, shortly after I posted this, I listened to Chris Harris’ Harris Football podcast, where he opened the show by making the same point far more eloquently than I did. His key insight IMO was that all of this, from identifying villains to donating to Hamlin’s foundation, are all about giving us some feeling of control in a scary situation.

If you don’t want to listen to the whole podcast, you can just check out the first 5min or so to hear his take.

Bayless was truly distastless last night. I get playing a character but there's a time and place for it. We have a radio guy who does Sideline reporting for the Eagles and rarely does Radio anymore in Howard Eskin. He plays a character but knows when to be serious. Another guy on the other radio station doesn't. He's the guy who people obliterated for making fun of Victor Cruz blowing his knee out in the EZ. Chip Kelly and Eagles staff sent Cruz a gift basket after the game and the radio personality Mike Missinelli got blasted publicly by numerious fans.

FYI: Shannon Sharpe failed to show up for the show with Skip today and that IMHO is sending a strong message. I'd be shocked if Foxsports can continue with Skip on air. Shannon isn't the only one and numerious players have gone after Skip since the tweet. I talked to an Eagles source of mine just before coming on here and there's a lot of guys not just Eagles Players but around the league who want Skip fired from his job right now. Some of the reactions I'm sure are from Skip over the years antics but this guy was way out of line and should've stayed in his lane last night. Don't see how he can come back from this or the network now.

I hope you're not referring to last night's tweet?

 

[DJackson10]

Hamlin's gifts for kids Go Fund Me donations have surpassed $4M. Those funds could be placed in an endowment and vastly exceed his annual goal in perpetuity. Amazing.

I saw people suggesting this after seeing what Bills Mafia has done for opponents. Its the whole pass it on mentality gift giving

 

[bryhamm]

My guess is the game will be declared a tie. 9 minutes of football wasn’t enough played to say one team or another definitely would’ve won. The Bengals were up 7-3 but fat chance that score was going to stay that way. As others have mentioned, the logistics don’t favor a makeup game happening.

Hoping for some more positive developments with Hamlin’s condition. I’m not running a billion dollar business so thankfully I don’t have to worry about anything else. Just want this young man to survive and get his quality of life back.

I don't see how they can call a 7-3 game that was suspended in the 1st quarter a tie.

Seems much more likely they will just cancel it and go with winning percentage for Bills/Bengals over 16-games.

Which is the same thing as calling it a tie.

 

[Anarchy99]

From Tom Pelissero

After speaking with both teams and NFLPA leadership, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell informed the clubs today that the Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed this week. The NFL has made no decision regarding the possible resumption of the game at a later date.

Does not sound like the NFL want to try and replay or finish this game
I'm trying not to focus on the playoff implications and 1-2-3-4 seeds but it's hard not to
Some fans, personnel, coaches, staff, front offices, some folks are going to feel slighted whenever the seeding is finalized in the AFC
Just my opinion and I understand nothing I just posted mentions Hamlin and his struggles right now, doesn't make me feel good discussing the FF implications

I expect they will see where they are at after the Week 18 games and revisit how important finishing the game would be in determining the playoff seeds. For example, if KC beats LV and BUF loses to NE, the Bills wouldn't be able to be the top seed even with a win over CIN. In this scenario, a CIN win over BAL (coupled with a BUF loss to NE), CIN would hold the tiebreaker over BUF for the 2 seed).

CIN also couldn't be able to be the top seed if the Chiefs win, so they may not care if they are the 2 or 3 seed. BAL would probably be unhappy, as a win over the Bengals and a CIN loss to BUF would have given them the division title.

If KC, BUF, and CIN all win, then it gets dicey. If BUF ended up beating CIN, they would earn the 1 seed. If CIN beat BUF, they would earn the 2 seed. At that point, they would likely survey the landscape and ask BUF if they would be happy with the 2 seed and CIN happy with the 3 seed. If not, then they would have to figure out how to pfinish the game.

 

[Chemical X]

having this discussion doesn't mean we care any less about hamlin. this is a necessary evil sadly.

as a commish, i am inclined to call the game over. i am not giving average stats. if the game is resumed, i will allow the stats to be backdated in. Right now, the game is listed as suspended and not final. i am not calling a week whatever do over. events, weather, injury all happen and that is part of the game (and another reason to quit FF once and for all).

i am assuming the nfl calls this game over at some point. i don't see a restart for 3 quarters unless they push the playoffs back 1 week, but then everyone gets a bye,so to speak. if they call the game then KC is the 1 and has a bye, since only the 1 has a bye, both Cin and Buf get a home game and move on from the 2 vs 3 thing.

 

[DJackson10]

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Bayless is like Brad Marchand of the Boston Bruins. It's his previous body of work that is the problem when he does stuff like this. His body of work is littered with inhumane, stupid, provocative things and people are no longer willing to cut him slack for it. He deserves the rep.

I didn't find his tweet at all offensive, but knowing his output, I'm not at all surprised people are having the reaction they're having to it.

I had the same reaction. I also think that at moments like that, people feel the need to have strong reactions, even better if they can find a villain. Hence all the takes in here about the NFL and the "five minutes", ESPN's coverage, etc. I'm not even judging anyone for that stuff. I think it's a totally normal human response. Seeing someone collapse like that is super scary and forces us all to confront our own mortality. We're going to have reactions that, in the cold light of day, may seem inappropriate.

FYI, shortly after I posted this, I listened to Chris Harris’ Harris Football podcast, where he opened the show by making the same point far more eloquently than I did. His key insight IMO was that all of this, from identifying villains to donating to Hamlin’s foundation, are all about giving us some feeling of control in a scary situation.

If you don’t want to listen to the whole podcast, you can just check out the first 5min or so to hear his take.

Bayless was truly distastless last night. I get playing a character but there's a time and place for it. We have a radio guy who does Sideline reporting for the Eagles and rarely does Radio anymore in Howard Eskin. He plays a character but knows when to be serious. Another guy on the other radio station doesn't. He's the guy who people obliterated for making fun of Victor Cruz blowing his knee out in the EZ. Chip Kelly and Eagles staff sent Cruz a gift basket after the game and the radio personality Mike Missinelli got blasted publicly by numerious fans.

FYI: Shannon Sharpe failed to show up for the show with Skip today and that IMHO is sending a strong message. I'd be shocked if Foxsports can continue with Skip on air. Shannon isn't the only one and numerious players have gone after Skip since the tweet. I talked to an Eagles source of mine just before coming on here and there's a lot of guys not just Eagles Players but around the league who want Skip fired from his job right now. Some of the reactions I'm sure are from Skip over the years antics but this guy was way out of line and should've stayed in his lane last night. Don't see how he can come back from this or the network now.

I hope you're not referring to last night's tweet?

Oh I am it was distasteful at it's finest. Not surprised by someone who's never played the game though. Guy should've been fired years ago for an incident at ESPN thats never been publicly mentioned but the higher ups hid it because of the ratings. Know someone who worked at ESPN at the time.

 

[IHEARTFF]

having this discussion doesn't mean we care any less about hamlin. this is a necessary evil sadly.

as a commish, i am inclined to call the game over. i am not giving average stats. if the game is resumed, i will allow the stats to be backdated in. Right now, the game is listed as suspended and not final. i am not calling a week whatever do over. events, weather, injury all happen and that is part of the game (and another reason to quit FF once and for all).

i am assuming the nfl calls this game over at some point. i don't see a restart for 3 quarters unless they push the playoffs back 1 week, but then everyone gets a bye,so to speak. if they call the game then KC is the 1 and has a bye, since only the 1 has a bye, both Cin and Buf get a home game and move on from the 2 vs 3 thing.

I wonder if KC would bench all their starters and essentially concede Saturday if the NFL calls it so as not to steal the 1 seed

 

[tricky92]

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Bayless is like Brad Marchand of the Boston Bruins. It's his previous body of work that is the problem when he does stuff like this. His body of work is littered with inhumane, stupid, provocative things and people are no longer willing to cut him slack for it. He deserves the rep.

I didn't find his tweet at all offensive, but knowing his output, I'm not at all surprised people are having the reaction they're having to it.

I had the same reaction. I also think that at moments like that, people feel the need to have strong reactions, even better if they can find a villain. Hence all the takes in here about the NFL and the "five minutes", ESPN's coverage, etc. I'm not even judging anyone for that stuff. I think it's a totally normal human response. Seeing someone collapse like that is super scary and forces us all to confront our own mortality. We're going to have reactions that, in the cold light of day, may seem inappropriate.

FYI, shortly after I posted this, I listened to Chris Harris’ Harris Football podcast, where he opened the show by making the same point far more eloquently than I did. His key insight IMO was that all of this, from identifying villains to donating to Hamlin’s foundation, are all about giving us some feeling of control in a scary situation.

If you don’t want to listen to the whole podcast, you can just check out the first 5min or so to hear his take.

Bayless was truly distastless last night. I get playing a character but there's a time and place for it. We have a radio guy who does Sideline reporting for the Eagles and rarely does Radio anymore in Howard Eskin. He plays a character but knows when to be serious. Another guy on the other radio station doesn't. He's the guy who people obliterated for making fun of Victor Cruz blowing his knee out in the EZ. Chip Kelly and Eagles staff sent Cruz a gift basket after the game and the radio personality Mike Missinelli got blasted publicly by numerious fans.

FYI: Shannon Sharpe failed to show up for the show with Skip today and that IMHO is sending a strong message. I'd be shocked if Foxsports can continue with Skip on air. Shannon isn't the only one and numerious players have gone after Skip since the tweet. I talked to an Eagles source of mine just before coming on here and there's a lot of guys not just Eagles Players but around the league who want Skip fired from his job right now. Some of the reactions I'm sure are from Skip over the years antics but this guy was way out of line and should've stayed in his lane last night. Don't see how he can come back from this or the network now.

I hope you're not referring to last night's tweet?

Oh I am it was distasteful at it's finest. Not surprised by someone who's never played the game though. Guy should've been fired years ago for an incident at ESPN thats never been publicly mentioned but the higher ups hid it because of the ratings. Know someone who worked at ESPN at the time.

I think you missed the point of the tweet. But, so did a lot of people, so I'm not going to judge you...

 

[belljr]

Man I forgot all about the Pronger thing, and I was watching the game when it happened

 

[Dizzy]

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Bayless is like Brad Marchand of the Boston Bruins. It's his previous body of work that is the problem when he does stuff like this. His body of work is littered with inhumane, stupid, provocative things and people are no longer willing to cut him slack for it. He deserves the rep.

I didn't find his tweet at all offensive, but knowing his output, I'm not at all surprised people are having the reaction they're having to it.

I had the same reaction. I also think that at moments like that, people feel the need to have strong reactions, even better if they can find a villain. Hence all the takes in here about the NFL and the "five minutes", ESPN's coverage, etc. I'm not even judging anyone for that stuff. I think it's a totally normal human response. Seeing someone collapse like that is super scary and forces us all to confront our own mortality. We're going to have reactions that, in the cold light of day, may seem inappropriate.

FYI, shortly after I posted this, I listened to Chris Harris’ Harris Football podcast, where he opened the show by making the same point far more eloquently than I did. His key insight IMO was that all of this, from identifying villains to donating to Hamlin’s foundation, are all about giving us some feeling of control in a scary situation.

If you don’t want to listen to the whole podcast, you can just check out the first 5min or so to hear his take.

Bayless was truly distastless last night. I get playing a character but there's a time and place for it. We have a radio guy who does Sideline reporting for the Eagles and rarely does Radio anymore in Howard Eskin. He plays a character but knows when to be serious. Another guy on the other radio station doesn't. He's the guy who people obliterated for making fun of Victor Cruz blowing his knee out in the EZ. Chip Kelly and Eagles staff sent Cruz a gift basket after the game and the radio personality Mike Missinelli got blasted publicly by numerious fans.

FYI: Shannon Sharpe failed to show up for the show with Skip today and that IMHO is sending a strong message. I'd be shocked if Foxsports can continue with Skip on air. Shannon isn't the only one and numerious players have gone after Skip since the tweet. I talked to an Eagles source of mine just before coming on here and there's a lot of guys not just Eagles Players but around the league who want Skip fired from his job right now. Some of the reactions I'm sure are from Skip over the years antics but this guy was way out of line and should've stayed in his lane last night. Don't see how he can come back from this or the network now.

I hope you're not referring to last night's tweet?

Oh I am it was distasteful at it's finest. Not surprised by someone who's never played the game though. Guy should've been fired years ago for an incident at ESPN thats never been publicly mentioned but the higher ups hid it because of the ratings. Know someone who worked at ESPN at the time.

Well? Let's have it.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

From Tom Pelissero

After speaking with both teams and NFLPA leadership, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell informed the clubs today that the Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed this week. The NFL has made no decision regarding the possible resumption of the game at a later date.

Does not sound like the NFL want to try and replay or finish this game
I'm trying not to focus on the playoff implications and 1-2-3-4 seeds but it's hard not to
Some fans, personnel, coaches, staff, front offices, some folks are going to feel slighted whenever the seeding is finalized in the AFC
Just my opinion and I understand nothing I just posted mentions Hamlin and his struggles right now, doesn't make me feel good discussing the FF implications

I expect they will see where they are at after the Week 18 games and revisit how important finishing the game would be in determining the playoff seeds. For example, if KC beats LV and BUF loses to NE, the Bills wouldn't be able to be the top seed even with a win over CIN. In this scenario, a CIN win over BAL (coupled with a BUF loss to NE), CIN would hold the tiebreaker over BUF for the 2 seed).

CIN also couldn't be able to be the top seed if the Chiefs win, so they may not care if they are the 2 or 3 seed. BAL would probably be unhappy, as a win over the Bengals and a CIN loss to BUF would have given them the division title.

If KC, BUF, and CIN all win, then it gets dicey. If BUF ended up beating CIN, they would earn the 1 seed. If CIN beat BUF, they would earn the 2 seed. At that point, they would likely survey the landscape and ask BUF if they would be happy with the 2 seed and CIN happy with the 3 seed. If not, then they would have to figure out how to pfinish the game.

Almost impossible to imagine that we get through next week's games and the outcome of Buf-Cinci wouldn't have some potential playoff implications. This isn't like a baseball game that gets rained out in August and then doesn't need to be rescheduled because one team won the division by 12 games.

It's sounding more and more like they're just going to cancel the game.

With @IvanKaramazov 's point about any potential solution being unfair, I think it's a good exercise to imagine something being implemented and then ask yourself, what would that mean? So let's say it's a tie and that costs the Bills HFA and also hurts the Dolphins and Steelers because the Bills don't have as much to play for against NE. Sure, that would suck for all three teams. But ultimately, so what? Something horrible happened to a guy and one of the downstream effects was that it hurt Miami's chances of making the playoffs. It sucks, but seems pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

That's why I think that, whatever the ultimate solution, the league will try to keep it "localized". Pushing the entire playoffs back and giving up the week before the Super Bowl will have multiple knock-on effects. I think the NFL will prefer to take its medicine and move on

 

[DJackson10]

having this discussion doesn't mean we care any less about hamlin. this is a necessary evil sadly.

as a commish, i am inclined to call the game over. i am not giving average stats. if the game is resumed, i will allow the stats to be backdated in. Right now, the game is listed as suspended and not final. i am not calling a week whatever do over. events, weather, injury all happen and that is part of the game (and another reason to quit FF once and for all).

i am assuming the nfl calls this game over at some point. i don't see a restart for 3 quarters unless they push the playoffs back 1 week, but then everyone gets a bye,so to speak. if they call the game then KC is the 1 and has a bye, since only the 1 has a bye, both Cin and Buf get a home game and move on from the 2 vs 3 thing.

I wonder if KC would bench all their starters and essentially concede Saturday if the NFL calls it so as not to steal the 1 seed

Do you realize how pO'd people would be at this? I don't think there's much around this. Just play Week 18 at this point see what happens. If this game needs to be replayed they play it.

 

[DJackson10]

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Bayless is like Brad Marchand of the Boston Bruins. It's his previous body of work that is the problem when he does stuff like this. His body of work is littered with inhumane, stupid, provocative things and people are no longer willing to cut him slack for it. He deserves the rep.

I didn't find his tweet at all offensive, but knowing his output, I'm not at all surprised people are having the reaction they're having to it.

I had the same reaction. I also think that at moments like that, people feel the need to have strong reactions, even better if they can find a villain. Hence all the takes in here about the NFL and the "five minutes", ESPN's coverage, etc. I'm not even judging anyone for that stuff. I think it's a totally normal human response. Seeing someone collapse like that is super scary and forces us all to confront our own mortality. We're going to have reactions that, in the cold light of day, may seem inappropriate.

FYI, shortly after I posted this, I listened to Chris Harris’ Harris Football podcast, where he opened the show by making the same point far more eloquently than I did. His key insight IMO was that all of this, from identifying villains to donating to Hamlin’s foundation, are all about giving us some feeling of control in a scary situation.

If you don’t want to listen to the whole podcast, you can just check out the first 5min or so to hear his take.

Bayless was truly distastless last night. I get playing a character but there's a time and place for it. We have a radio guy who does Sideline reporting for the Eagles and rarely does Radio anymore in Howard Eskin. He plays a character but knows when to be serious. Another guy on the other radio station doesn't. He's the guy who people obliterated for making fun of Victor Cruz blowing his knee out in the EZ. Chip Kelly and Eagles staff sent Cruz a gift basket after the game and the radio personality Mike Missinelli got blasted publicly by numerious fans.

FYI: Shannon Sharpe failed to show up for the show with Skip today and that IMHO is sending a strong message. I'd be shocked if Foxsports can continue with Skip on air. Shannon isn't the only one and numerious players have gone after Skip since the tweet. I talked to an Eagles source of mine just before coming on here and there's a lot of guys not just Eagles Players but around the league who want Skip fired from his job right now. Some of the reactions I'm sure are from Skip over the years antics but this guy was way out of line and should've stayed in his lane last night. Don't see how he can come back from this or the network now.

I hope you're not referring to last night's tweet?

Oh I am it was distasteful at it's finest. Not surprised by someone who's never played the game though. Guy should've been fired years ago for an incident at ESPN thats never been publicly mentioned but the higher ups hid it because of the ratings. Know someone who worked at ESPN at the time.

I think you missed the point of the tweet. But, so did a lot of people, so I'm not going to judge you...

Miss the point of the tweet? Nah I didn't you're the one defending this scumbag for some reason. I won't spend anymore time replying to you on this because it seems like a waste of my time. You keep doing you though. If you see his tweet there's literally everyone seeming him from pro athletes to politicians to YouTube creators, his own broadcast colleges etc.

 

[IHEARTFF]

having this discussion doesn't mean we care any less about hamlin. this is a necessary evil sadly.

as a commish, i am inclined to call the game over. i am not giving average stats. if the game is resumed, i will allow the stats to be backdated in. Right now, the game is listed as suspended and not final. i am not calling a week whatever do over. events, weather, injury all happen and that is part of the game (and another reason to quit FF once and for all).

i am assuming the nfl calls this game over at some point. i don't see a restart for 3 quarters unless they push the playoffs back 1 week, but then everyone gets a bye,so to speak. if they call the game then KC is the 1 and has a bye, since only the 1 has a bye, both Cin and Buf get a home game and move on from the 2 vs 3 thing.

I wonder if KC would bench all their starters and essentially concede Saturday if the NFL calls it so as not to steal the 1 seed

Do you realize how pO'd people would be at this? I don't think there's much around this. Just play Week 18 at this point see what happens. If this game needs to be replayed they play it.

If they dont play the game, some team/s get screwed in the playoff picture. I'm just posing a hypothetical scenario that could happen if they say this game is canceled for good.

 

[IHEARTFF]

The NFL playoff machine on ESPN no longer includes this game

 

[DJackson10]

having this discussion doesn't mean we care any less about hamlin. this is a necessary evil sadly.

as a commish, i am inclined to call the game over. i am not giving average stats. if the game is resumed, i will allow the stats to be backdated in. Right now, the game is listed as suspended and not final. i am not calling a week whatever do over. events, weather, injury all happen and that is part of the game (and another reason to quit FF once and for all).

i am assuming the nfl calls this game over at some point. i don't see a restart for 3 quarters unless they push the playoffs back 1 week, but then everyone gets a bye,so to speak. if they call the game then KC is the 1 and has a bye, since only the 1 has a bye, both Cin and Buf get a home game and move on from the 2 vs 3 thing.

I wonder if KC would bench all their starters and essentially concede Saturday if the NFL calls it so as not to steal the 1 seed

Do you realize how pO'd people would be at this? I don't think there's much around this. Just play Week 18 at this point see what happens. If this game needs to be replayed they play it.

If they dont play the game, some team/s get screwed in the playoff picture. I'm just posing a hypothetical scenario that could happen if they say this game is canceled for good.

Yeah some teams will get screwed. At the same time maybe those teams next year realize they should've played better in certain games. If this was my Eagles and they lost a seed do this I'd be saying we should've done better in the DAL or WAS or NO games not the NFL screwed us over on seeding.

 

[DJackson10]

The NFL playoff machine on ESPN no longer includes this game

ESPN Fantasy wouldn't even let me click on the scoreboard to go to the stats in the app today for this game

 

[sho nuff]

I know many of you don’t follow international soccer closely but something very similar happened last year when one of the best players on the pitch collapsed during the Euro Championship tournament. Players ended up finishing that game.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ksen-collapses-middle-euro-2020-game-n1270583

He may also have already been stable when players agreed to finish the match. Whereas there were still so many unknowns of Hamlin's condition at the time.

He was stable, and was awake as they carried him off the field.

This was a different situation.

I got a real issue and maybe some will say not the place or time but ESPN completely ignored this incident from the Euro's over a 1 1/2 yrs ago last night. I know it's different sports but similar incidents. After what happened there you'd think sports leagues around the world would've went over their contingency plans in case god forbid this happened in their sport but ESPN who covered the Euro's glossed over this last night. It'd have been nice if someone mentioned similiarieties and differences to the 2. Maybe it was reactions of the moment and was by accident they forgot about this given the circumstances but I was completely surprised numerious people glossed over this. Ericksen incident was the first thing I thought of when I saw this last night.

I Know if I was in the NFLPA and saw the Eriksen incident I'd have immediately went to my fellow members and asked if we could go over with the league our plan was for this if it occurred.

I don't think its quite as similar. Eriksen was not hit...was stable before leaving. Pronger again is the more apt comparison.

 

[djmich]

I know squat about Skip Bayless but that tweet seemed total normal and appropriate to me lol.

 

[Revo]

From Tom Pelissero

After speaking with both teams and NFLPA leadership, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell informed the clubs today that the Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed this week. The NFL has made no decision regarding the possible resumption of the game at a later date.

Does not sound like the NFL want to try and replay or finish this game
I'm trying not to focus on the playoff implications and 1-2-3-4 seeds but it's hard not to
Some fans, personnel, coaches, staff, front offices, some folks are going to feel slighted whenever the seeding is finalized in the AFC
Just my opinion and I understand nothing I just posted mentions Hamlin and his struggles right now, doesn't make me feel good discussing the FF implications

I expect they will see where they are at after the Week 18 games and revisit how important finishing the game would be in determining the playoff seeds. For example, if KC beats LV and BUF loses to NE, the Bills wouldn't be able to be the top seed even with a win over CIN. In this scenario, a CIN win over BAL (coupled with a BUF loss to NE), CIN would hold the tiebreaker over BUF for the 2 seed).

CIN also couldn't be able to be the top seed if the Chiefs win, so they may not care if they are the 2 or 3 seed. BAL would probably be unhappy, as a win over the Bengals and a CIN loss to BUF would have given them the division title.

If KC, BUF, and CIN all win, then it gets dicey. If BUF ended up beating CIN, they would earn the 1 seed. If CIN beat BUF, they would earn the 2 seed. At that point, they would likely survey the landscape and ask BUF if they would be happy with the 2 seed and CIN happy with the 3 seed. If not, then they would have to figure out how to pfinish the game.

Almost impossible to imagine that we get through next week's games and the outcome of Buf-Cinci wouldn't have some potential playoff implications. This isn't like a baseball game that gets rained out in August and then doesn't need to be rescheduled because one team won the division by 12 games.

It's sounding more and more like they're just going to cancel the game.

With @IvanKaramazov 's point about any potential solution being unfair, I think it's a good exercise to imagine something being implemented and then ask yourself, what would that mean? So let's say it's a tie and that costs the Bills HFA and also hurts the Dolphins and Steelers because the Bills don't have as much to play for against NE. Sure, that would suck for all three teams. But ultimately, so what? Something horrible happened to a guy and one of the downstream effects was that it hurt Miami's chances of making the playoffs. It sucks, but seems pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

That's why I think that, whatever the ultimate solution, the league will try to keep it "localized". Pushing the entire playoffs back and giving up the week before the Super Bowl will have multiple knock-on effects. I think the NFL will prefer to take its medicine and move on

This makes sense and what I was thinking, but my friend is a lawyer for NBC Sports and when I posed this to him, he says moving back slates of games is a "virtual impossibility due to the availability of broadcast windows." I suppose anything could happen, but take that for what it's worth.

 

[zed2283]

I think Skip just tweeted what everyone was thinking. Everyone was scared and worried for Hamlin, and felt and hoped that the game would not continue, but then also wondering what that would mean.

It doesn't mean you took the gravity of the situation any less meaningfully.

ETA: That also doesn't mean the tweet was appropriate, just not necessarily what people are trying to make it out to be.

 

[gruecd]

I know squat about Skip Bayless but that tweet seemed total normal and appropriate to me lol.

I think you can acknowledge the human aspect and the business aspect at the same without being some kind of monster. They're not mutually exclusive.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

From Tom Pelissero

After speaking with both teams and NFLPA leadership, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell informed the clubs today that the Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed this week. The NFL has made no decision regarding the possible resumption of the game at a later date.

Does not sound like the NFL want to try and replay or finish this game
I'm trying not to focus on the playoff implications and 1-2-3-4 seeds but it's hard not to
Some fans, personnel, coaches, staff, front offices, some folks are going to feel slighted whenever the seeding is finalized in the AFC
Just my opinion and I understand nothing I just posted mentions Hamlin and his struggles right now, doesn't make me feel good discussing the FF implications

I expect they will see where they are at after the Week 18 games and revisit how important finishing the game would be in determining the playoff seeds. For example, if KC beats LV and BUF loses to NE, the Bills wouldn't be able to be the top seed even with a win over CIN. In this scenario, a CIN win over BAL (coupled with a BUF loss to NE), CIN would hold the tiebreaker over BUF for the 2 seed).

CIN also couldn't be able to be the top seed if the Chiefs win, so they may not care if they are the 2 or 3 seed. BAL would probably be unhappy, as a win over the Bengals and a CIN loss to BUF would have given them the division title.

If KC, BUF, and CIN all win, then it gets dicey. If BUF ended up beating CIN, they would earn the 1 seed. If CIN beat BUF, they would earn the 2 seed. At that point, they would likely survey the landscape and ask BUF if they would be happy with the 2 seed and CIN happy with the 3 seed. If not, then they would have to figure out how to pfinish the game.

Almost impossible to imagine that we get through next week's games and the outcome of Buf-Cinci wouldn't have some potential playoff implications. This isn't like a baseball game that gets rained out in August and then doesn't need to be rescheduled because one team won the division by 12 games.

It's sounding more and more like they're just going to cancel the game.

With @IvanKaramazov 's point about any potential solution being unfair, I think it's a good exercise to imagine something being implemented and then ask yourself, what would that mean? So let's say it's a tie and that costs the Bills HFA and also hurts the Dolphins and Steelers because the Bills don't have as much to play for against NE. Sure, that would suck for all three teams. But ultimately, so what? Something horrible happened to a guy and one of the downstream effects was that it hurt Miami's chances of making the playoffs. It sucks, but seems pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

That's why I think that, whatever the ultimate solution, the league will try to keep it "localized". Pushing the entire playoffs back and giving up the week before the Super Bowl will have multiple knock-on effects. I think the NFL will prefer to take its medicine and move on

This makes sense and what I was thinking, but my friend is a lawyer for NBC Sports and when I posed this to him, he says moving back slates of games is a "virtual impossibility due to the availability of broadcast windows." I suppose anything could happen, but take that for what it's worth.

Exactly. Once they start shifting the schedule around, it creates numerous logistical issues, with the venues, broadcast networks, etc. Canceling this one game seems to be the "cleanest" solution.

 

[tricky92]

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Bayless is like Brad Marchand of the Boston Bruins. It's his previous body of work that is the problem when he does stuff like this. His body of work is littered with inhumane, stupid, provocative things and people are no longer willing to cut him slack for it. He deserves the rep.

I didn't find his tweet at all offensive, but knowing his output, I'm not at all surprised people are having the reaction they're having to it.

I had the same reaction. I also think that at moments like that, people feel the need to have strong reactions, even better if they can find a villain. Hence all the takes in here about the NFL and the "five minutes", ESPN's coverage, etc. I'm not even judging anyone for that stuff. I think it's a totally normal human response. Seeing someone collapse like that is super scary and forces us all to confront our own mortality. We're going to have reactions that, in the cold light of day, may seem inappropriate.

FYI, shortly after I posted this, I listened to Chris Harris’ Harris Football podcast, where he opened the show by making the same point far more eloquently than I did. His key insight IMO was that all of this, from identifying villains to donating to Hamlin’s foundation, are all about giving us some feeling of control in a scary situation.

If you don’t want to listen to the whole podcast, you can just check out the first 5min or so to hear his take.

Bayless was truly distastless last night. I get playing a character but there's a time and place for it. We have a radio guy who does Sideline reporting for the Eagles and rarely does Radio anymore in Howard Eskin. He plays a character but knows when to be serious. Another guy on the other radio station doesn't. He's the guy who people obliterated for making fun of Victor Cruz blowing his knee out in the EZ. Chip Kelly and Eagles staff sent Cruz a gift basket after the game and the radio personality Mike Missinelli got blasted publicly by numerious fans.

FYI: Shannon Sharpe failed to show up for the show with Skip today and that IMHO is sending a strong message. I'd be shocked if Foxsports can continue with Skip on air. Shannon isn't the only one and numerious players have gone after Skip since the tweet. I talked to an Eagles source of mine just before coming on here and there's a lot of guys not just Eagles Players but around the league who want Skip fired from his job right now. Some of the reactions I'm sure are from Skip over the years antics but this guy was way out of line and should've stayed in his lane last night. Don't see how he can come back from this or the network now.

I hope you're not referring to last night's tweet?

Oh I am it was distasteful at it's finest. Not surprised by someone who's never played the game though. Guy should've been fired years ago for an incident at ESPN thats never been publicly mentioned but the higher ups hid it because of the ratings. Know someone who worked at ESPN at the time.

I think you missed the point of the tweet. But, so did a lot of people, so I'm not going to judge you...

Miss the point of the tweet? Nah I didn't you're the one defending this scumbag for some reason. I won't spend anymore time replying to you on this because it seems like a waste of my time. You keep doing you though. If you see his tweet there's literally everyone seeming him from pro athletes to politicians to YouTube creators, his own broadcast colleges etc.

You seem very emotional, which explains why you probably misinterpreted the tweet in the first place. Just can't tell if it's intentional or not now.

 

[crushedspirit]

I know many of you don’t follow international soccer closely but something very similar happened last year when one of the best players on the pitch collapsed during the Euro Championship tournament. Players ended up finishing that game.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ksen-collapses-middle-euro-2020-game-n1270583

He may also have already been stable when players agreed to finish the match. Whereas there were still so many unknowns of Hamlin's condition at the time.

He was stable, and was awake as they carried him off the field.

This was a different situation.

I got a real issue and maybe some will say not the place or time but ESPN completely ignored this incident from the Euro's over a 1 1/2 yrs ago last night. I know it's different sports but similar incidents. After what happened there you'd think sports leagues around the world would've went over their contingency plans in case god forbid this happened in their sport but ESPN who covered the Euro's glossed over this last night. It'd have been nice if someone mentioned similiarieties and differences to the 2. Maybe it was reactions of the moment and was by accident they forgot about this given the circumstances but I was completely surprised numerious people glossed over this. Ericksen incident was the first thing I thought of when I saw this last night.

I Know if I was in the NFLPA and saw the Eriksen incident I'd have immediately went to my fellow members and asked if we could go over with the league our plan was for this if it occurred.

I don't think its quite as similar. Eriksen was not hit...was stable before leaving. Pronger again is the more apt comparison.

You are correct if the impact was a trigger, which none of us know right now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Apparently the “5 mins” thing reached Joe Buck, and he’s not having it.

https://twitter.com/dvnjr/status/1610354785114329088?s=46&t=ZPE17ywMuS0zm6k0f0qe3Q

 

[ChicoCat]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.