Bulger benched; Trent Green in as Rams starting QB! (1 Viewer)

[Plainsman]

I cant believe I read every post in this thread (almost 100 now). Only one person has tried to critique the possible positives out of this situation.

So what does that tell you?I'd say it means that 99% of the people in this thread just don't see any positives.

I disagree... 99% of those who posted in here came in here to try and one-up the previous jokester with a joke of their own. Only so many ways to ridicule Greens health.

 

[Sputnikv8]

I cant believe I read every post in this thread (almost 100 now). Only one person has tried to critique the possible positives out of this situation.

So what does that tell you?I'd say it means that 99% of the people in this thread just don't see any positives.

I disagree... 99% of those who posted in here came in here to try and one-up the previous jokester with a joke of their own. Only so many ways to ridicule Greens health.

Please share some of the positives that you see. I sure don't see ANY. Terrible oline play + immobile, aged, fragile QB = all negatives. The jokes were just a humorous bonus.

 

[Big Score]

I cant believe I read every post in this thread (almost 100 now). Only one person has tried to critique the possible positives out of this situation.

So what does that tell you?I'd say it means that 99% of the people in this thread just don't see any positives.

I disagree... 99% of those who posted in here came in here to try and one-up the previous jokester with a joke of their own. Only so many ways to ridicule Greens health.

You need to understand that a human being, once concussed, needs progressively lesser & lesser head trauma, to sustain yet another concussion. It is a cumulative effect.Some high profile NFL players whose respective careers were prematurely ended by repetitive concussions are Steve Young, Troy Aikman & Wayne Chrebet. There's many, many others of course, but it's too long a list to go through them all.

Given the obvious poor state of the Rams O'line, as evidenced by Bulger, who once formally stood strong in the pocket to deliver the ball despite the pass rush, but now has some serious jitters, to Steven Jackson, with a 2004 ypc of 5.0 - 2005 ypc of 4.1 - 2006 ypc of 4.4 - 2007 ypc of 4.2 but dropping an ENTIRE yard to his current 2008 ypc of 3.2, to Torry Holt specifically calling out the O'line for better play, I (as well as many others in this thread), just don't see the Rams turning to an extremely concussion prone 38 year old QB & expect him to be able to do anything positive. In fact, I'd say the chances of the Rams offense suddenly turning it around with Green, is slim to none....& Slim just left town.

If you can find any positives in this situation, I'm all ears.

 

[Plainsman]

I cant believe I read every post in this thread (almost 100 now). Only one person has tried to critique the possible positives out of this situation.

So what does that tell you?I'd say it means that 99% of the people in this thread just don't see any positives.

I disagree... 99% of those who posted in here came in here to try and one-up the previous jokester with a joke of their own. Only so many ways to ridicule Greens health.

You need to understand that a human being, once concussed, needs progressively lesser & lesser head trauma, to sustain yet another concussion. It is a cumulative effect.Some high profile NFL players whose respective careers were prematurely ended by repetitive concussions are Steve Young, Troy Aikman & Wayne Chrebet. There's many, many others of course, but it's too long a list to go through them all.

Given the obvious poor state of the Rams O'line, as evidenced by Bulger, who once formally stood strong in the pocket to deliver the ball despite the pass rush, but now has some serious jitters, to Steven Jackson, with a 2004 ypc of 5.0 - 2005 ypc of 4.1 - 2006 ypc of 4.4 - 2007 ypc of 4.2 but dropping an ENTIRE yard to his current 2008 ypc of 3.2, to Torry Holt specifically calling out the O'line for better play, I (as well as many others in this thread), just don't see the Rams turning to an extremely concussion prone 38 year old QB & expect him to be able to do anything positive. In fact, I'd say the chances of the Rams offense suddenly turning it around with Green, is slim to none....& Slim just left town.

If you can find any positives in this situation, I'm all ears.

This is one of the better posts in this thread (thank you for taking the time to explain your rationale)... but you still couldnt avoid an attempt at humor (this is beside the point).This STL team with Bulger at the helm has been ridiculed to death. I think it is fair to say that they couldnt possibly do any worse (since this is all due to the o-line problems). You just cant go out and pick up a good offensive line... that is shot for the rest of the season imo. The mere fact that they are giving Green a shot shows that they recognize that they cannot when with the current plan of attack. A potential positive is that Green might provide something that Bulger cannot. It was mentioned (surprisingly by only one person and then completely ignored... everyone too busy trying to one-up the latest quip) early that Green is familiar with the Saunders offense having run it in KC. There is a small possibility that Green might fit Saunders scheme a little better, given his experience, and possibly give them an opportunity to compete. Change, whether is works or not, is a positive (better to the alternative of sticking to what they know doesnt work... whether its a desperate move by the coach or not... Bulger wasnt winning games). Regardless of Greens health concerns he has been cleared to play. Green may not turn around the Rams season (will certainly not argue that he will) but from a fantasy standpoint (this is the only interest I have with the Rams) there is the potential for a player or two to benefit. Randy McMichael could be that player. Here is Greens only significant preseason action... (granted it was a 2-minute drill)

"2-17-STL 33 46) 12-T.Green pass short middle to 84-R.McMichael to SD 48 for 19 yards (27-P.Oliver).

1-10-SD 48 32) 12-T.Green spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-SD 48 30) 12-T.Green pass short middle to 84-R.McMichael to SD 32 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).

1-10-SD 32 16) 12-T.Green spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-SD 32 16) 12-T.Green pass incomplete short left to 23-B.Leonard [94-J.Tucker].

3-10-SD 32 10) 3-J.Brown 50 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-45-C.Massey, Holder-5-D.Jones."

Does this mean anything? Who knows but you cant deny that there is the potential for someone to benefit fantasy wise from this move and I think it is shortsighted to ignore the possibility because Green is suffering from dementia and sucking food out of a straw...

Instead of 100 replies to compete for the best joke... is it too much to ask for a "lemons into lemonade" type discussion. I just dont see the point of repeating the same joke over and over again with a little different spin.

 

[IM666]

I cant believe I read every post in this thread (almost 100 now). Only one person has tried to critique the possible positives out of this situation.

So what does that tell you?I'd say it means that 99% of the people in this thread just don't see any positives.

I disagree... 99% of those who posted in here came in here to try and one-up the previous jokester with a joke of their own. Only so many ways to ridicule Greens health.

You need to understand that a human being, once concussed, needs progressively lesser & lesser head trauma, to sustain yet another concussion. It is a cumulative effect.Some high profile NFL players whose respective careers were prematurely ended by repetitive concussions are Steve Young, Troy Aikman & Wayne Chrebet. There's many, many others of course, but it's too long a list to go through them all.

Given the obvious poor state of the Rams O'line, as evidenced by Bulger, who once formally stood strong in the pocket to deliver the ball despite the pass rush, but now has some serious jitters, to Steven Jackson, with a 2004 ypc of 5.0 - 2005 ypc of 4.1 - 2006 ypc of 4.4 - 2007 ypc of 4.2 but dropping an ENTIRE yard to his current 2008 ypc of 3.2, to Torry Holt specifically calling out the O'line for better play, I (as well as many others in this thread), just don't see the Rams turning to an extremely concussion prone 38 year old QB & expect him to be able to do anything positive. In fact, I'd say the chances of the Rams offense suddenly turning it around with Green, is slim to none....& Slim just left town.

If you can find any positives in this situation, I'm all ears.

This is one of the better posts in this thread (thank you for taking the time to explain your rationale)... but you still couldnt avoid an attempt at humor (this is beside the point).This STL team with Bulger at the helm has been ridiculed to death. I think it is fair to say that they couldnt possibly do any worse (since this is all due to the o-line problems). You just cant go out and pick up a good offensive line... that is shot for the rest of the season imo. The mere fact that they are giving Green a shot shows that they recognize that they cannot when with the current plan of attack. A potential positive is that Green might provide something that Bulger cannot. It was mentioned (surprisingly by only one person and then completely ignored... everyone too busy trying to one-up the latest quip) early that Green is familiar with the Saunders offense having run it in KC. There is a small possibility that Green might fit Saunders scheme a little better, given his experience, and possibly give them an opportunity to compete. Change, whether is works or not, is a positive (better to the alternative of sticking to what they know doesnt work... whether its a desperate move by the coach or not... Bulger wasnt winning games). Regardless of Greens health concerns he has been cleared to play. Green may not turn around the Rams season (will certainly not argue that he will) but from a fantasy standpoint (this is the only interest I have with the Rams) there is the potential for a player or two to benefit. Randy McMichael could be that player. Here is Greens only significant preseason action... (granted it was a 2-minute drill)

"2-17-STL 33 46) 12-T.Green pass short middle to 84-R.McMichael to SD 48 for 19 yards (27-P.Oliver).

1-10-SD 48 32) 12-T.Green spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-SD 48 30) 12-T.Green pass short middle to 84-R.McMichael to SD 32 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).

1-10-SD 32 16) 12-T.Green spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-SD 32 16) 12-T.Green pass incomplete short left to 23-B.Leonard [94-J.Tucker].

3-10-SD 32 10) 3-J.Brown 50 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-45-C.Massey, Holder-5-D.Jones."

Does this mean anything? Who knows but you cant deny that there is the potential for someone to benefit fantasy wise from this move and I think it is shortsighted to ignore the possibility because Green is suffering from dementia and sucking food out of a straw...

Instead of 100 replies to compete for the best joke... is it too much to ask for a "lemons into lemonade" type discussion. I just dont see the point of repeating the same joke over and over again with a little different spin.

I don’t know much about football, fantasy or otherwise. I try to follow the advice given by services that make this hobby their profession. Every service I subscribe to seems to strongly recommend benching all Rams players if there is anyone else available to start for your team. They are facing a Buffalo team that is on fire, meanwhile, there have been multiple offensive and defensive changes on a team that with a head coach trying to do anything to save his job. Their new starting QB was asked by his family not to return to football. His signing this off-season raised quite a few eyebrows on this message board by both members and FBG staff. Their o-line has been well documented in this forum. Their star RB is dinged up and has been below mediocre and they have a rookie WR that has already suffered a fractured pelvis starting.

Last year, people on this forum were not exactly enthusiastic about Priest Holmes returning to the line-up. Earlier this season, many were less than enthusiastic that Shawn Merriman decided to give it a go despite numerous doctors’ recommendations against it.

I know if a better grasp of the system will translate into any fantasy production from the Rams. I go with what the experts say, at right now, they are saying avoid the Rams Offense. I liked Green in KC, he put up some great numbers. He looked less impressive in Miami, and now is going to start for another struggling team.

One final note, I have read that OC Al Saunders has a similar offense compared to Mike Martz. That system tends to allow a large number of sacks. Do you think Green is going to have the mobility to avoid them? I certainly don’t know what I am doing, so take my response with caution, as this is just my uniformed opinion.

 

[Statcruncher]

This is one of the better posts in this thread (thank you for taking the time to explain your rationale)... but you still couldnt avoid an attempt at humor (this is beside the point).

This STL team with Bulger at the helm has been ridiculed to death. I think it is fair to say that they couldnt possibly do any worse (since this is all due to the o-line problems). You just cant go out and pick up a good offensive line... that is shot for the rest of the season imo. The mere fact that they are giving Green a shot shows that they recognize that they cannot when with the current plan of attack. A potential positive is that Green might provide something that Bulger cannot. It was mentioned (surprisingly by only one person and then completely ignored... everyone too busy trying to one-up the latest quip) early that Green is familiar with the Saunders offense having run it in KC. There is a small possibility that Green might fit Saunders scheme a little better, given his experience, and possibly give them an opportunity to compete. Change, whether is works or not, is a positive (better to the alternative of sticking to what they know doesnt work... whether its a desperate move by the coach or not... Bulger wasnt winning games). Regardless of Greens health concerns he has been cleared to play. Green may not turn around the Rams season (will certainly not argue that he will) but from a fantasy standpoint (this is the only interest I have with the Rams) there is the potential for a player or two to benefit. Randy McMichael could be that player. Here is Greens only significant preseason action... (granted it was a 2-minute drill)

"2-17-STL 33 46) 12-T.Green pass short middle to 84-R.McMichael to SD 48 for 19 yards (27-P.Oliver).

1-10-SD 48 32) 12-T.Green spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-SD 48 30) 12-T.Green pass short middle to 84-R.McMichael to SD 32 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).

1-10-SD 32 16) 12-T.Green spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-SD 32 16) 12-T.Green pass incomplete short left to 23-B.Leonard [94-J.Tucker].

3-10-SD 32 10) 3-J.Brown 50 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-45-C.Massey, Holder-5-D.Jones."

Does this mean anything? Who knows but you cant deny that there is the potential for someone to benefit fantasy wise from this move and I think it is shortsighted to ignore the possibility because Green is suffering from dementia and sucking food out of a straw...

Instead of 100 replies to compete for the best joke... is it too much to ask for a "lemons into lemonade" type discussion. I just dont see the point of repeating the same joke over and over again with a little different spin.

I truly appreciate what you're going for here, but you've lost me on 2 points. Change simply for the sake of change is not better. Also referring to a 36 second span of 2 minute drill on August 16th in week 2 of the preason as indicative of Trent Green's potential is laughable.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I really think that this is a situation that warrants direct intervention on the part of Roger Goddell.

Either Week 2 or Week 3 (I think it was Week 3) Marc Bulger was "hit" on 8 of his first 10 passing attempts (4 sacks and 4 hits). Bulger is already starting to exhibit symptoms of the NFL-equivalent of "Battered Spouse Syndrome", that best example of which is David Carr. Once afflicted it is rarely cured. The QB is never the same.

Now will be beam into every NFL household high definition imaging of Trent Green, last seen being taken off the field in Dolphin uniform with brains scrambled, not to far after being really "dazed" in his KC uniform the year before. This can not be good at all for the NFL's image to place a multiple concussed, old, immobile QB into the Rams offense behind the worst past protect O-line in the league. Hopefully, he remains healthy, but there is a very real possibility that this could be a real bad scene for the NFL.

 

[Raider Nation]

I really think that this is a situation that warrants direct intervention on the part of Roger Goddell.Either Week 2 or Week 3 (I think it was Week 3) Marc Bulger was "hit" on 8 of his first 10 passing attempts (4 sacks and 4 hits). Bulger is already starting to exhibit symptoms of the NFL-equivalent of "Battered Spouse Syndrome", that best example of which is David Carr. Once afflicted it is rarely cured. The QB is never the same.Now will be beam into every NFL household high definition imaging of Trent Green, last seen being taken off the field in Dolphin uniform with brains scrambled, not to far after being really "dazed" in his KC uniform the year before. This can not be good at all for the NFL's image to place a multiple concussed, old, immobile QB into the Rams offense behind the worst past protect O-line in the league. Hopefully, he remains healthy, but there is a very real possibility that this could be a real bad scene for the NFL.

Green was signed, which means team doctors cleared him. The NFL has no grounds on which to intervene.

 

[IM666]

Link

The vibe in the Rams locker room Wednesday and Thursday was that several Rams players weren't happy about the benching of Marc Bulger. But no one would say so publicly.

Well, outspoken running back Steven Jackson took care of that Thursday night on his "Rolling the Dice" radio show on KLOU (103.3 FM). Jackson said benching Bulger was the "wrong decision."

"He's our general," said Jackson, who then pointed out that you don't pay someone "$60-something million" and then sit him on the bench.

(Bulger was signed to a $65 million contract extension prior to the 2007 season.)

Although he harbors no ill will against Trent Green, who replaces Bulger in the starting lineup Sunday against Buffalo, Jackson wondered aloud about what will happen when it's time for Bulger to return to the starting lineup?

Jackson intimated strongly that Bulger would be unwilling to do so.

Team sources did in fact tell the Post-Dispatch on Thursday that Bulger no longer wants to play for coach Scott Linehan. Bulger has declined comment for three consecutive days since his benching became public knowledge.

When asked by the radio show's host, Malcolm Briggs, if there were other Rams players who were against the benching, Jackson paused and replied, "I'm not the only one who feels this way."

 

[bollocks28]

:(

Starting the Bills D with confidence.

 

[TGinKC]

Anyone concidered the possibility that the lambs made the switch to Green to save Bulger the pounding he get from the Bills this week?

 

[Statcruncher]

Anyone concidered the possibility that the lambs made the switch to Green to save Bulger the pounding he get from the Bills this week?

As a Bulger owner this actually works out well. I wasn't starting him against Buffalo so might as well let Trent Green take the whipping during that game. That gives Marc this week plus the bye to prepare for his return against Washington.

This has to be the most ridiculous spin I've heard in a long while.Guess what dude..... Bulger just LOST his job as starting QB.This works out well for Bulger ?