Bump DeAngelo Williams Down ! (1 Viewer)

[Alluro]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

He was one of my targets, too. Good find!

 

[PahtyTom]

It's a suggestion by the writer. Foster is awful in his own right at the goal line.

 

[thecardiackid]

Sounds like Mr. Gantt has a draft coming up soon and he's worried about his RB3 if he starts RB/WR.

Honestly, we're all (Fox included) trying to figure out which guy will be getting the majority of the (overall) carries. I seriously doubt the coaching staff is ruling out any goal line opps for ANYONE, much less the (IMO) more talented RB on the team @ this point.

 

[LHUCKS]

Never been as high on this kid as everyone else seems to be.

 

[switz]

Sounds like Mr. Gantt has a draft coming up soon and he's worried about his RB3 if he starts RB/WR.Honestly, we're all (Fox included) trying to figure out which guy will be getting the majority of the (overall) carries. I seriously doubt the coaching staff is ruling out any goal line opps for ANYONE, much less the (IMO) more talented RB on the team @ this point.

Everything I've heard from Charlotte locals has Foster getting GL and 1st down carries. DWill and Foster splitting 2nd down carries. DWill getting 3rd down and obvious pass down carries.The staff feels Foster runs with more power and authority, but that DWill adds a dimension that Foster lacks and they want him in situations to exploit it.

 

[Otis]

OMGOMGOMGOMG

Take a look at the source before concluding this stuff is gospel, folks.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Let's give a warm welcome to the new new offensive coordinator for the Carolina Panthers :

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald

 

[VaCatFan]

This guy is a local beat writer for the Carolina Panthers along with Pat Yasinkas and writes a blog for the Panthers. He doesn't throw crap out there to see what sticks. he's usually pretty good. He had the Beason signing and Minter retiring info pretty much dead on. Of course you can't take it as gospel, but you might want to tweak your projections.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

I always thought Foster just plain stunk, period, and last year didn't do anything to change that opinion. But I could see Goings as the vulture, for sure.

 

[pantherclub]

key word - "Suggests"

 

[switz]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

 

[Chris Smith]

It's too early to send Williams plummeting down your cheat sheets. However it is certainly possible it could happen and at best he does appear to be hopelessly tangled in a RBBC. Keep your projections very vanilla on him as he is unlikely to see enough carries to give him strong fantasy value. As of today, I have tweaked the Panthers numbers to the following

D. Williams 200 carries / 910 rushing yards / 6 total touchdowns / 29 receptions / 195 receiving yards / 146.5 FP

D. Foster 140 carries / 560 rushing yards / 3 total touchdowns / 15 receptions / 97 receiving yards / 83.7 FP

N. Goings 20 carries / 50 rushing yards / 2 total touchdowns / 6 receptions / 36 receiving yards / 20.6 FP

B. Hoover 32 carries / 135 rushing yards / 2 touchdowns / 18 receptions / 134 receivin yards / 38.9 FP

Of the four players, Williams has the best upside but I doubt he'll see more than 270 touches on the season at best.

 

[Otis]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

 

[Otis]

It's too early to send Williams plummeting down your cheat sheets. However it is certainly possible it could happen and at best he does appear to be hopelessly tangled in a RBBC. Keep your projections very vanilla on him as he is unlikely to see enough carries to give him strong fantasy value. As of today, I have tweaked the Panthers numbers to the followingD. Williams 200 carries / 910 rushing yards / 6 total touchdowns / 29 receptions / 195 receiving yards / 146.5 FPD. Foster 140 carries / 560 rushing yards / 3 total touchdowns / 15 receptions / 97 receiving yards / 83.7 FPN. Goings 20 carries / 50 rushing yards / 2 total touchdowns / 6 receptions / 36 receiving yards / 20.6 FPB. Hoover 32 carries / 135 rushing yards / 2 touchdowns / 18 receptions / 134 receivin yards / 38.9 FPOf the four players, Williams has the best upside but I doubt he'll see more than 270 touches on the season at best.

Another reason not to like Williams -- he couldn't beat out Foster for the job last year. That makes me nervous.

 

[sholditch]

Well, things are not looking good for the kid then. I thought he would come out of this camp having wowed the coaches enough to get the start. Looks like no one is emerging. I won't be drafting any of them other than possibly Foster.

 

[bostonfred]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

Isn't there a five billion page thread on Frank Gore where people attacked you for going against the mob mentality, then the people who got him in the draft fell all over themselves to love you when you were right? Why are you rolling your eyes at switz for saying that that happens?

 

[gregjcross]

if (when) Foster gets hurt then maybe D.Wlliams would touch 900 rushing, but I dont see it. Unles their schedule is extremely soft against the run

It's too early to send Williams plummeting down your cheat sheets. However it is certainly possible it could happen and at best he does appear to be hopelessly tangled in a RBBC. Keep your projections very vanilla on him as he is unlikely to see enough carries to give him strong fantasy value. As of today, I have tweaked the Panthers numbers to the followingD. Williams 200 carries / 910 rushing yards / 6 total touchdowns / 29 receptions / 195 receiving yards / 146.5 FPD. Foster 140 carries / 560 rushing yards / 3 total touchdowns / 15 receptions / 97 receiving yards / 83.7 FPN. Goings 20 carries / 50 rushing yards / 2 total touchdowns / 6 receptions / 36 receiving yards / 20.6 FPB. Hoover 32 carries / 135 rushing yards / 2 touchdowns / 18 receptions / 134 receivin yards / 38.9 FPOf the four players, Williams has the best upside but I doubt he'll see more than 270 touches on the season at best.

 

[TaxMan]

It's too early to send Williams plummeting down your cheat sheets. However it is certainly possible it could happen and at best he does appear to be hopelessly tangled in a RBBC. Keep your projections very vanilla on him as he is unlikely to see enough carries to give him strong fantasy value. As of today, I have tweaked the Panthers numbers to the followingD. Williams 200 carries / 910 rushing yards / 6 total touchdowns / 29 receptions / 195 receiving yards / 146.5 FPD. Foster 140 carries / 560 rushing yards / 3 total touchdowns / 15 receptions / 97 receiving yards / 83.7 FPN. Goings 20 carries / 50 rushing yards / 2 total touchdowns / 6 receptions / 36 receiving yards / 20.6 FPB. Hoover 32 carries / 135 rushing yards / 2 touchdowns / 18 receptions / 134 receivin yards / 38.9 FPOf the four players, Williams has the best upside but I doubt he'll see more than 270 touches on the season at best.

DeAngelo had 33 receptions last year to go along with only 120 carries. Put him in for 40-50 receptions MINIMUM!!!

 

[jurb26]

I just dealt Williams in a dynasty league for A. Smith, QB so this news is somewhat good to me. I guess I traded when the value was highest? Either way, I still love Williams talent and think he will eventually succeed and become a featured RB. The main reason I dealt him is that it just doesn't doesn't look as though that will happen this year and my team is more suited for winning now.

 

[OCC]

It's too early to send Williams plummeting down your cheat sheets. However it is certainly possible it could happen and at best he does appear to be hopelessly tangled in a RBBC. Keep your projections very vanilla on him as he is unlikely to see enough carries to give him strong fantasy value. As of today, I have tweaked the Panthers numbers to the followingD. Williams 200 carries / 910 rushing yards / 6 total touchdowns / 29 receptions / 195 receiving yards / 146.5 FPD. Foster 140 carries / 560 rushing yards / 3 total touchdowns / 15 receptions / 97 receiving yards / 83.7 FPN. Goings 20 carries / 50 rushing yards / 2 total touchdowns / 6 receptions / 36 receiving yards / 20.6 FPB. Hoover 32 carries / 135 rushing yards / 2 touchdowns / 18 receptions / 134 receivin yards / 38.9 FPOf the four players, Williams has the best upside but I doubt he'll see more than 270 touches on the season at best.

Another reason not to like Williams -- he couldn't beat out Foster for the job last year. That makes me nervous.

Great point.Foster got hurt, Dwill got his shot at starting. Foster healed up, was back starting. Someone on the coaching staff likes Foster, even if the entire FF community doesn't.

 

[Traders2001]

Because in one practice he could not bang it in from the one ( That s what he is saying ) Please they dont make their decision on one or two practices .

RB DeAngelo Williams will do some things this year. Don't expect goal-line running to be one of them. He was stuffed twice for no gain on shots from the 1, and really didn't appear to have much of a chance at all.

 

[Traders2001]

Then i should not be scared to trade WIlliams for Julius Jones and a second round rookie pick.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

[Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

I think what people are concerned with is that a writer's opinion is being cast as an absolute truth. It is great that people share this kind of info here, but the thread title is a little misleading - even a little alarmist - no matter what the reporter's track record is.

 

[LHUCKS]

I always thought Foster just plain stunk, period,

I'm pretty much the exact opposite...when he runs I see a gifted runningback. He just doesn't get any hype because we all know he's going to get injured.

 

[pantherclub]

I always thought Foster just plain stunk, period,

I'm pretty much the exact opposite...when he runs I see a gifted runningback. He just doesn't get any hype because we all know he's going to get injured.

Do you miss the 4-5 stutter steps he normally takes before he hits the whole?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

If you read the whole article you will see that Darin Gantt based this projectionon DWill getting stuffed at the goalline TWO times.

I would say he may need a little more before boasting such a claim.

Two freaking carries, in practice ? rolleyes1.gif

 

[duaneok66]

No need to bump down Williams; I never had him that high in the first place . . .

 

[Duke1948]

wasn't williams out a couple games last year as well?

 

[pinequick]

Never been as high on this kid as everyone else seems to be.

Anybody else get the "Norm McDonald does Larry King one-liners" feel from posts like these from LHUCKS??

 

[Bri]

comparison to Shelton=ouch

 

[AB in DC]

Foster got hurt, Dwill got his shot at starting. Foster healed up, was back starting. Someone on the coaching staff likes Foster, even if the entire FF community doesn't.

Probably worth mentioning that last year's OC was fired. Maybe the "someone on the coaching staff" isn't on the coaching staff any more.

 

[Bri]

Foster got hurt, Dwill got his shot at starting. Foster healed up, was back starting. Someone on the coaching staff likes Foster, even if the entire FF community doesn't.

Probably worth mentioning that last year's OC was fired. Maybe the "someone on the coaching staff" isn't on the coaching staff any more.

Fox has always had a thing for Foster

 

[Dirty Weasel]

1200 total yards, 45 catches, and 8 TD's

I am hoping for more negative news to bump him down on everyone's cheat sheets. Very nice RB2 value in late round 4, and an even better RB3 in late 5th/early 6th.

 

[duaneok66]

Foster got hurt, Dwill got his shot at starting. Foster healed up, was back starting. Someone on the coaching staff likes Foster, even if the entire FF community doesn't.

Probably worth mentioning that last year's OC was fired. Maybe the "someone on the coaching staff" isn't on the coaching staff any more.

good point, but Foster is still starting . . .

 

[BigRed]

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

That's it, he's off my list.

 

[joffer]

Foster is a pretty nice value right now. i've seen him go as low as the 9th round in mocks.

 

[BigJim®]

I just dealt Williams in a dynasty league for A. Smith, QB so this news is somewhat good to me. I guess I traded when the value was highest? Either way, I still love Williams talent and think he will eventually succeed and become a featured RB. The main reason I dealt him is that it just doesn't doesn't look as though that will happen this year and my team is more suited for winning now.

This has to be a fishing trip.

 

[BigJim®]

I always thought Foster just plain stunk, period,

I'm pretty much the exact opposite...when he runs I see a gifted runningback. He just doesn't get any hype because we all know he's going to get injured.

Also it's just a remarkable coincidence a player LHUCKS loves is from the Pac 10. It concerns me more that Deangelo is returning kicks than reading this goal line speculation.

 

[Gottabesweet]

My third and fourth runningbacks are so worthless right now in my dynasty

deangelo and carnell williams. - I hope one of them does something.

 

[spurs44]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

No they're just giving opinions like yours. I find it funny that people including this guy Gantt can give any kind of conclusive opinions either way. I mean come on folks, they haven't even played thier first preseason game yet. Training camp is for conditioning and the play book and preseason is overated as well. The coaching staff knows what they got in these two backs and how they will use them already in my opinion. Overeating to a blurb in some rag is crazy.

 

[spurs44]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

No, I think they're giving thier opinions like your giving yours. It is funny how people will react either way about some blurb in some rag and we haven't even played the 1st preseason game yet. Preseason is overated but I would at least wait for the 3rd game before making an objective opinion. Calm down folks.

 

[BassNBrew]

FYI...Gnatt is pretty well connected and a good source of info in this area. The Charlotte rag does such a poor job of covering sports outside of UNC basketball that the local papers in the burbs have jumped into the fray.

Just a reminder of something I posted a couple months ago. Jerry Richardson had a get together for his keys players. The invitees included Delhomme, Peppers, Gross, Smith, and Foster. Pretty much tells me that Foster is in the plan for this year.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Foster got hurt, Dwill got his shot at starting. Foster healed up, was back starting. Someone on the coaching staff likes Foster, even if the entire FF community doesn't.

Probably worth mentioning that last year's OC was fired. Maybe the "someone on the coaching staff" isn't on the coaching staff any more.

Fox has always had a thing for Foster

More like Fox defers to his veterans/starters. Stephen Davis was clearly done and yet Foster wasn't getting many carries when he was healthy. Now that Davis is gone, Foster is the guy and DeAngelo is the one not getting any carries. I think that Williams is the better RB but my expectations aren't that high for him because I don't believe that Fox will make him a featured back.

 

[Banger]

The fact that Williams isn't running with the 1st team speaks volumes to me. This was a situation I was planning on avoiding but it looks like Foster may offer some nice value late.

 

[simey]

Just a reminder of something I posted a couple months ago. Jerry Richardson had a get together for his keys players. The invitees included Delhomme, Peppers, Gross, Smith, and Foster. Pretty much tells me that Foster is in the plan for this year.

I remember that article, and I agree with you. I think DeAngelo will see plenty of carries too, but DeShaun is very much a part of the game plan this year. I read this quote recently from Gross:

Foster is entering his sixth season, and at least one teammate thinks the new offense is putting the running back in a position to succeed for the first time."He's kind of had a monkey on his back since he's been here," tackle Jordan Gross said. "He hasn't fit the type of plays we've called for him. He's done a great job with what he has been given. It's obvious that he's real excited now and he's ready to cut it loose. He feels healthy. He's had the best offseason he's had since I've been here."

 

[AB in DC]

The fact that Williams isn't running with the 1st team speaks volumes to me.

I think you're overstating this a bit. Foster is the starter, for now, but it looks like both RBs are getting reps with the 1st team.

 

[Banger]

The fact that Williams isn't running with the 1st team speaks volumes to me.

I think you're overstating this a bit. Foster is the starter, for now, but it looks like both RBs are getting reps with the 1st team.

I may be since I haven't followed the situation that closely but going into this season I assumed that D. Will was definitely going to be the starter and Foster would have virtually no value. Then they resign Foster for good money (for a year) and he's running/splitting with the 1st team. If they didn't have plans for Foster and were ready to hand the job over to D. Will he'd be solely running with the 1st team, the fact that he's not indicates Foster may have some value, especially considering Fox's track record with vet's.

 

[SproutDaddy]

My third and fourth runningbacks are so worthless right now in my dynastydeangelo and carnell williams. - I hope one of them does something.

I really think you're jumping the gun here.

 

[barndog]

The fact that Williams isn't running with the 1st team speaks volumes to me.

I think you're overstating this a bit. Foster is the starter, for now, but it looks like both RBs are getting reps with the 1st team.

I may be since I haven't followed the situation that closely but going into this season I assumed that D. Will was definitely going to be the starter and Foster would have virtually no value. Then they resign Foster for good money (for a year) and he's running/splitting with the 1st team. If they didn't have plans for Foster and were ready to hand the job over to D. Will he'd be solely running with the 1st team, the fact that he's not indicates Foster may have some value, especially considering Fox's track record with vet's.

Coach Fox just said on NFL Radio (@ Panther Camp today 10-1), that Foster was still the starter.