Bump DeAngelo Williams Down ! (1 Viewer)

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I am a Foster/Williams owner, and I need to ask the obvious question - what on God's green Earth makes anyone think that this will be anything other than the truest form of RBBC?

 

[pantherclub]

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

 

[Gottabesweet]

I am a Foster/Williams owner, and I need to ask the obvious question - what on God's green Earth makes anyone think that this will be anything other than the truest form of RBBC?

Injury to one or both is the only way to break this RBBC.I think owners of one half the RBBC are hoping for the other one not to play. As bad as that sounds.

 

[gregjcross]

"Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3" Did you also predict this last Summer? Just curious.

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

 

[barndog]

As a Panther homer this all smacks to me of Foxy's sometimes irrational belief in certain players. I still haven't forgiven him for choosing D Morgan over Witherspoon, despite all evidence to the contrary.

I just think he's gonna push DeShaun at RB1 until something breaks.

I'm officially staying away from the whole thing in my leagues this year, unless somehow forced.

 

[BassNBrew]

Heard from the Gaston Gazette writer that Williams was being stuffed by the second team defense.

 

[JimmyD]

Williams won’t get goal-line carries

DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR - Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald suggests that DeAngelo Williams won’t get goal-line carries this season.

He’s looked awful at the goal line throughout camp and Gantt expects DeShaun Foster or Nick Goings to be used in that role. He also mentions that Eric Shelton has looked as bad Williams. Aug. 6 - 9:34 am et

Source: Rock Hill Herald

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...5189&spln=1

Thanks for posting this. It runs contrary to mob-mentality on this player, so unfortunately you're getting slammed.Unfortunately, for some, if news doesn't fit what they want to hear, they attack the messenger.

Keep it coming and I'll use my own brain to decide to buy or sell on information posted.

 

[switz]

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

I don't agree with this at all.

 

[BigJim®]

Heard from the Gaston Gazette writer that Williams was being stuffed by the second team defense.

Yeah, that couldn't have anything to do with blocking. I'm sure the holes were a mile wide and Williams is just terrible.

 

[switz]

Heard from the Gaston Gazette writer that Williams was being stuffed by the second team defense.

Yeah, that couldn't have anything to do with blocking. I'm sure the holes were a mile wide and Williams is just terrible.

So what you're thinking is DWill was running behind the second team offensive line as well?Let's see second team D, against second team OL, must be second team RB.

 

[BigJim®]

Heard from the Gaston Gazette writer that Williams was being stuffed by the second team defense.

Yeah, that couldn't have anything to do with blocking. I'm sure the holes were a mile wide and Williams is just terrible.

So what you're thinking is DWill was running behind the second team offensive line as well?Let's see second team D, against second team OL, must be second team RB.

So what you're thinking is Carolina's first team OL has never blocked poorly?To answer your question, no, what I'm thinking is there could be countless reasons why a RB is stuffed twice at the line of scrimmage. If people sleep better at night assuming it's because Williams has no talent running the ball, sleep away as far as I'm concerned.

 

[pantherclub]

"Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3" Did you also predict this last Summer? Just curious.

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

Honestly no i didnt. I didnt expect a rookie RB to come in and beat a vet

 

[pantherclub]

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

I don't agree with this at all.

Which parts? Do you think Foster is a good RB?

 

[Peyton Marino]

Because in one practice he could not bang it in from the one ( That s what he is saying ) Please they dont make their decision on one or two practices .RB DeAngelo Williams will do some things this year. Don't expect goal-line running to be one of them. He was stuffed twice for no gain on shots from the 1, and really didn't appear to have much of a chance at all.

 

[switz]

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

I don't agree with this at all.

Which parts? Do you think Foster is a good RB?

I do think Foster is good. I agree he needs to hit holes harder, but I totally disagree that he doesn't make people miss and that he doesn't break tackles. It's never been about talent with Foster, always health.I also disagree that Fox does not like to emply RBBC. In fact it seems everywhere he has been they've used RBBC.In addition, everytihng I've seen this offseason has Fox and the new OC saying the system is going to be really good for Foster. Williams is pretty much acknowledged as the complementary back by the staff.That's just from what I've seen and read. But I don't forsee DWill being the clear starter at any point this season barring a Foster injury.

 

[tmanubc]

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

I don't agree with this at all.

Which parts? Do you think Foster is a good RB?

I do think Foster is good. I agree he needs to hit holes harder, but I totally disagree that he doesn't make people miss and that he doesn't break tackles. It's never been about talent with Foster, always health.I also disagree that Fox does not like to emply RBBC. In fact it seems everywhere he has been they've used RBBC.

In addition, everytihng I've seen this offseason has Fox and the new OC saying the system is going to be really good for Foster. Williams is pretty much acknowledged as the complementary back by the staff.

That's just from what I've seen and read. But I don't forsee DWill being the clear starter at any point this season barring a Foster injury.

I just traded for Williams today and would be appreciative if you could link this.

 

[switz]

In addition, everytihng I've seen this offseason has Fox and the new OC saying the system is going to be really good for Foster. Williams is pretty much acknowledged as the complementary back by the staff.

That's just from what I've seen and read. But I don't forsee DWill being the clear starter at any point this season barring a Foster injury.

I just traded for Williams today and would be appreciative if you could link this.

It's hard to link quotes you've heard watching the local news. But let me dig up some quotes:FOXNews

Everyone in Carolina believes the zone blocking schemes will suit the club's two featured tailbacks, DeShaun Foster, who still has never had a 1,000-yard season, and DeAngelo Williams, last year's first-round pick. Foster and Williams are not best buddies. Therefore it will be interesting to see how these two, who really don't like each other, will handle the possibility of sharing playing time this season.

Davidson refuses to divulge how he will utilize his two best running backs. Instead, he said how much he liked Nick Goings, Eric Shelton and Alex Haynes, too. It is a good spiel, but if Carolina is going to be a playoff team, Foster and Williams, who could be utilized like Reggie Bush in New Orleans, must have productive seasons. What you will see are a lot of running plays that have been used by Atlanta and Denver, but minus the chop-blocking technique.

Len P

"Myself, I believe in an 'adapt and adopt' philosophy, you know?" said Williams, who rushed for 501 yards in his debut season and expects more while playing in the time-sharing arrangement with starter DeShaun Foster. "We're adapting pretty well to the changes, and I think guys are really embracing it as something we can be good at, really."

Gaston Gazette

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Minter believes the Panthers will bounce back from last year’s 8-8 season and surprise a lot of people.

“It’s a quiet confidence that’s in each guy and in this team,” he said. “We’ve got a lot of youth coming in, with a lot of energy that you see right now. I think everybody is excited and you see that swagger. When you get knocked in the mouth, you come back, either you quit or you come back harder. I think we’re coming back harder. That’s what I’ve seen in this football team.”

He said it’s time for leaders like Jake Delhomme, Steve Smith, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross and Foster to step up and take the team to the next level.

“They’ve got to take us there. If they don’t do it, we’re not going anywhere, and they know that,” Minter said. “We tell those guys that. We try to let these guys know that and take us to the Promised Land.”

Deshaun isn't done yet

DeShaun Foster is still the starting running back, and according to tackle Jordan Gross, Foster is benefiting more than anyone from the new offense.

Charlotte Observer

Gross: New scheme to help put Foster in zone

There's been a lot of talk about how the new zone-blocking scheme will benefit the offensive linemen and second-year running back DeAngelo Williams, but there's another player who could benefit just as much. Although there's been a lot of speculation that Williams will take over as the feature back, DeShaun Foster is working as the starter.

Foster is entering his sixth season, and at least one teammate thinks the new offense is putting the running back in a position to succeed for the first time.

"He's kind of had a monkey on his back since he's been here," tackle Jordan Gross said. "He hasn't fit the type of plays we've called for him. He's done a great job with what he has been given. It's obvious that he's real excited now and he's ready to cut it loose. He feels healthy. He's had the best offseason he's had since I've been here."

Rock Hill Herald

Here's a look at the two-deep depth chart based on the morning practice:

Offense

QB Delhomme, Carr

RB Foster, Williams

FB Hoover, Jackson

TE King, Gaines

WR Smith, Carter

WR Colbert, Jarrett

LT Wharton, Butler

LG Wahle, Hangartner

C Hartwig, Kalil

RG Bridges, Batiste

RT Gross, Mathis

Bottom line is these two are going to split carries unless one of them is injured. The coaches like both and want to use both. Neither is going to be a clear cut starter.

 

[tmanubc]

Thanks man, that was a lot of verbage / sources to compile. It's gonna be fun to watch the preseason to see how things shake out. I didn't realize that they really didn't get along at all. Even more drama lol

 

[switz]

Thanks man, that was a lot of verbage / sources to compile. It's gonna be fun to watch the preseason to see how things shake out. I didn't realize that they really didn't get along at all. Even more drama lol

I didn't realiz they dind't get along until late last season. And I really think that both resent the other's presence.Foster feels like he's never gotten a real shot, and now along come DWill.DWill feels he should be the starter and Foster's in the way.Hey, if it pushes them both to perform better, then I'm all for it.

 

[Bird]

I don't see why people view this as a RBBC. In 2006, Foster and Williams played together in Weeks 1-5,10,11,14-17.

In only 2 of those weeks did both backs receive double-digit carries. In Week 2, they both had 13 carries and in Week 16, Foster 28 carries and Williams had 21. That hardly makes Fox a RBBC coach. Picking who to draft as the projected back to get the most starts is the tricky part. This is just one of those situations where you have to burn two draft picks for Top 20 RB production.

 

[simey]

Guys, if there is one thing I know it is the Panthers. I have been saying this all year, Deangelo will be the starter no later than week 3. I totally am expecting him to start week one, but as someone said before that Fox has a thing for vets. That said Foster is just not that good. Once he gets the ball in his hands in the open field then his true talents come out. He doesnt hit the hole very well, terrible vision, cannot make people miss and doesnt break tackles. Those are kindof the traits a RB needs. Williams on the other hand is quick and by all accounts this new offense is suited for him. I dont think Fox prefers a RBBC. I just dont see how Foster holds him off. Plus there is always the injury factor with Foster. My 2 cents.

There is always the injury factor to DeAngelo too. He is the one who missed more time last year due to injury. This new offense is also suited for DeShaun. In the past, DeShaun was in a offense that was better suited for Stephen Davis style running. DeAngelo showed some good things last year, but he made rookie mistakes too such as not blocking well, and losing yardage by not going down when there was nowhere to run. He is still learning, and he will have lots of opportunities to do well this season, but so will DeShaun. I've never been under the impression that DeAngelo will be the starter this year, but it might not matter who the starter is if both are used a lot. Being this is a new offense, time will tell how much both are used.