Buyer's remorse.. (1 Viewer)

[Judge Smails]

Had my big draft yesterday. 8th round, 12 team redraft, already had LJ/Jones-Drew/A Peterson as first 3 RB's. Read that Martz thinks Jones will be back soon and that he's already running/cutting. So think he's worth picking (even as trade bait later on) instead of shoring up WR's. Passed over guys like Stallworth to take him. Now hearing that it's more likely that he'll start on the PUP list. Great...

 

[Rushmore]

I agree. I've always thought he would end up on the PUP the whole time. I've been there before-taking a guy that is slated to be back after 6 games. It's rough taking up a roster spot up for that amount of time that you have no option of playing for the whole duration. Then you have to wait a game or so to see that he's completely healed, taking away another game or two at best to see that he's truly back from the injury. His best value is dynasty or keeper leagues. Redraft leagues are the ones that I had no intentions of considering him.

 

[1huskerfan]

I got him in the 4th (effectively the 8th) of a 12 team, keep 4 league, as my RB4...RB5 now that I got Foster.

Also got him in the 10th of my 10 team redraft as my RB5 as well.

I don't think I will have a problem waiting out the PUP. Just hope he recovers so I can keep him next year.

 

[schooner44]

I took KJ as my 4th RB in the tenth round of a 12 team re-draft. I have FWP, AG & J Lewis as my first 3. I really only need him for injury coverage so I should be ok even with him starting on the PUP. If he comes back, the starting RB in a Martz offense as a 10th round pick is a steal but if not...oh well.

 

[LionsFan78]

It all depends on how late you can get him, and what's left on the board. He would've likely been a first round pick this year in all formats without the injury, and possibly top 5 in PPR. Anytime you have a chance to get a guy like that for cheap, as long as the price is right, he's worth stashing IMO.

 

[ATRAIN56]

Getting KJ was a smart thing. Last I checked most fantasy playoffs start week 14. He will be the man easily by then

 

[Defenze]

So I guessing if ya picked him up say in the 7th and he doesn't start I shouldn't pick up Tatum Bell as a FA???

Just curious as to what would be the smart move here. I got him cheap imo(7:3 in a 12 team redraft) and if he starts on the PUP I have LJ and Julius Jones as my starters. Is Bell worth dropping KJ?

 

[LionsFan78]

So I guessing if ya picked him up say in the 7th and he doesn't start I shouldn't pick up Tatum Bell as a FA???Just curious as to what would be the smart move here. I got him cheap imo(7:3 in a 12 team redraft) and if he starts on the PUP I have LJ and Julius Jones as my starters. Is Bell worth dropping KJ?

Speechless as to how Bell is a FA in a 12 team redraft.If you have Jones, I'd pickup Bell without hesitation, but I wouldn't drop Jones just to get him. Free up something else. Come playoff time, the situation will be resolved one way or the other, and you will have a fantasy starter on your hands either way.

 

[wraith5]

Took Jones 12.06 yesterday as my RB5 (Westy, MJD, Caddy, Ahman) in at 10 team PPR and like the value a lot.

Only issue with our league is that there are only 16 roster spots and we start 10 every week - so your bench is short. By holding onto him (I assume he will miss 6-8 games), I essentially cut my team by one for the first 1/2. But I could sure use him in the playoffs!

Bell went 9.10, FWIW. I can't see any league not drafting him.

 

[BigRed]

KJ went undrafted in our 10 team auction so I dropped Morency to grab him not being sure of his status. Oh well. I don't expect Morency to do squat and if he can come back in Oct he'll have been worth the wait - I hope.

 

[chris1969]

Do homers think that it's a given that he'll reclaim his job once healthy?

 

[Defenze]

So I guessing if ya picked him up say in the 7th and he doesn't start I shouldn't pick up Tatum Bell as a FA???Just curious as to what would be the smart move here. I got him cheap imo(7:3 in a 12 team redraft) and if he starts on the PUP I have LJ and Julius Jones as my starters. Is Bell worth dropping KJ?

Speechless as to how Bell is a FA in a 12 team redraft.If you have Jones, I'd pickup Bell without hesitation, but I wouldn't drop Jones just to get him. Free up something else. Come playoff time, the situation will be resolved one way or the other, and you will have a fantasy starter on your hands either way.

I understand how you feel about Bell, but this league was a 14 team redraft which lost two owners. Cutting down to 12 teams gave a lot of extra value in the player pool. A lot of good players didn't get drafted. Garcia, Tatum Bell, Issac Bruce. I was shocked myself. Especially when LJ fell to me at 1:11. Everybody was afraid to draft him I guess. Oh well.......sucks to be them

 

[yinzer]

So I guessing if ya picked him up say in the 7th and he doesn't start I shouldn't pick up Tatum Bell as a FA???

Just curious as to what would be the smart move here. I got him cheap imo(7:3 in a 12 team redraft) and if he starts on the PUP I have LJ and Julius Jones as my starters. Is Bell worth dropping KJ?

Speechless as to how Bell is a FA in a 12 team redraft.If you have Jones, I'd pickup Bell without hesitation, but I wouldn't drop Jones just to get him. Free up something else. Come playoff time, the situation will be resolved one way or the other, and you will have a fantasy starter on your hands either way.

I understand how you feel about Bell, but this league was a 14 team redraft which lost two owners. Cutting down to 12 teams gave a lot of extra value in the player pool. A lot of good players didn't get drafted. Garcia, Tatum Bell, Issac Bruce. I was shocked myself. Especially when LJ fell to me at 1:11. Everybody was afraid to draft him I guess. Oh well.......sucks to be them

now i know why tatum went undrafted

 

[SproutDaddy]

Do homers think that it's a given that he'll reclaim his job once healthy?

Not a homer, but that's an easy question to answer. As if Tater and Duckett are anywhere near the RB KJ is.

 

[Penguin]

Had my big draft yesterday. 8th round, 12 team redraft, already had LJ/Jones-Drew/A Peterson as first 3 RB's. Read that Martz thinks Jones will be back soon and that he's already running/cutting. So think he's worth picking (even as trade bait later on) instead of shoring up WR's. Passed over guys like Stallworth to take him. Now hearing that it's more likely that he'll start on the PUP list. Great...

The good news is that Stallworth stinks too. Very likely that he's the 3rd or 4th option in NE with Moss, Welker, Watson, Marony & Faulk in town. Even if he was healthy & looking good in camp (which he isn't) what's his outlook? 850/7 maybe. I've got him penciled in for 700/5 and dropping at this point. Now, it's more likely that guys like Wes Welker, Jacoby Jones, James Jones, Brandon Marshall etc were available, that's were you went wrong.

 

[Tom Servo]

It all depends on how late you can get him, and what's left on the board. He would've likely been a first round pick this year in all formats without the injury, and possibly top 5 in PPR. Anytime you have a chance to get a guy like that for cheap, as long as the price is right, he's worth stashing IMO.

I'm hoping he slips past the 10th - 11th round for me to stash him...or harrass the owner who takes him before that.

 

[whoknew]

Here's the latest:



Lions debating what to do with Jones

by Tom Kowalski

ALLEN PARK -- The battle over Kevin Jones will begin to brew with more intensity now.

Jones, the Detroit Lions running back, is currently on the Physically Unable to Perform list and the club has until Sept. 1 to make a big decision - either activate him to the roster or keep him on PUP where he'll miss the first five games of the season.

There are differing viewpoints within the organization: the offensive coaching staff -- desperate to get their running game cranked up -- want Jones back as soon as possible while the front office wants to be more cautious.

Neither side is going to expose Jones to any unnecessary risk, but there are valid points on both sides of this issue.

Jones is recovering from Lisfranc surgery on his left foot and Jones said Saturday that he expects to be re-examined Dr. Richard Anderson, who performed the surgery, within the next week or so. Even if Jones is medically cleared to play, there still is a huge unknown concerning the injury.

While Jones looks good at this point running and cutting, there's a big difference between cutting when you're anticipating it and cutting when you're in full pads, getting hit, spinning and bouncing off defenders and putting unnatural torque on the foot. No one knows if Jones' foot is going to hold up until he actually goes through that process.

Because of the league rules regarding the PUP list, however, the Lions can't put Jones in pads -- not even in practice -- until he's moved to the active roster. The reason the front office is hesitant to do that is because, while Jones is on PUP, he does not count against the active roster. If he's activated and suffers even a minor setback, he could be sidelined for several weeks and Jones will be taking up a valuable spot on the roster -- which would leave one position short-manned.

Right now, Jones is only 8½ months removed from his surgery and the front office wants to be cautious and not let temptation sway their decision.

However, as the regular season draws closer -- and Detroit's running attack still is struggling -- the anxiety level of the coaching staff is rising sharply.

Here's the crux of the debate concerning Jones: Even the most optimistic scenario has Jones missing one or two games to start the season. The coaches believe, though, that having Jones available for those two or three -- or maybe even four -- extra games could make the difference in the Lions' quest to make the playoffs.

When the Lions traded for Tatum Bell in the offseason, it was clear that he was considered an insurance policy and would supply good depth to the running back position. The plan all along still was to get Jones back in the starting lineup as soon as possible.

The reason Jones is so valuable is because he not only has the speed and receiving ability to be effective in the spread formations, but he can run with power out of Detroit's base offense and that's vital to coordinator Mike Martz.

While Martz always is going to think pass first, he knows that he has to have a power running threat to get what he wants. If the Lions can force a defense into putting eight men in the box, that means the opponent will have to put single coverage on at least one -- if not both -- outside receivers. Martz can envision Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson running deep downfield, giving the poor free safety a split second to pick his poison.

Martz needs versatility in his offense because each game will bring a different matchup challenge and he believes Jones gives him the best option out of the backfield.

Again, no one wants to put Jones in harm's way, but the regular season is rapidly approaching and the behind-the-scenes debate is starting to heat up.

 

[Judge Smails]

Had my big draft yesterday. 8th round, 12 team redraft, already had LJ/Jones-Drew/A Peterson as first 3 RB's. Read that Martz thinks Jones will be back soon and that he's already running/cutting. So think he's worth picking (even as trade bait later on) instead of shoring up WR's. Passed over guys like Stallworth to take him. Now hearing that it's more likely that he'll start on the PUP list. Great...

The good news is that Stallworth stinks too. Very likely that he's the 3rd or 4th option in NE with Moss, Welker, Watson, Marony & Faulk in town. Even if he was healthy & looking good in camp (which he isn't) what's his outlook? 850/7 maybe. I've got him penciled in for 700/5 and dropping at this point. Now, it's more likely that guys like Wes Welker, Jacoby Jones, James Jones, Brandon Marshall etc were available, that's were you went wrong.

Got one of them (James Jones) as my WR4, so should be OK. Jacoby is a FA. Problem is we only carry 14 roster spots - so when byes start coming up that affect K's and D's it will be tough to keep dead wood. I need some positive news out of DTown quick!

 

[VICK-tory]

I predict Jones comes in strong and shocks us all (ok at least I hope so, I took him in the 10th rd)-

 

[Payne]

The coaches WANT KJ back. What does that tell you? They cannot run the ball without him. They haven't all preseason.

Millen wants to put him on the PUP to save him for the long run.....meaning future years.

That's what it sounds like here locally.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Any idea when we get the official word?

 

[Stealthycat]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

 

[1huskerfan]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ? some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

 

[kensat30]

As a Jones owner in multiple leagues, I hope he is put on ice for the first five. I drafted him for the second half of the season and it would be a shame if he is done before we even get there.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I think you want him available and not on the PUP - he will need at least a few weeks practice and be eased into a game situation.

Hopefully he is good to go by week 4.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

This doesn't sound that discouraging to me.

Obviously these guys think he is going to be ready to play some football, it's just a matter of when.

If he only contributes in the second half of the season fine with me just as long as he contributes at some point.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Do homers think that it's a given that he'll reclaim his job once healthy?

Not a homer, but that's an easy question to answer. As if Tater and Duckett are anywhere near the RB KJ is.

That 4.1 career per carry average is monstrous.

 

[broker3d]

What are the specifics on the PUP? Does that restrict him from playing for a certain period of time?

 

[yellowdog]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

If PUPped, he will be eligible to return week 7 (game 6).

 

[1huskerfan]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

If PUPped, he will be eligible to return week 7 (game 6).

Wrong. He can't play the first 6 GAMES (not WEEKS). The Lions' 6th game is in week 7, so he will be able to return week 8.

 

[matuski]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

PUP = 6 weeks. With Detroit's bye coming in the first 6 weeks he only misses 5 games.

 

[matuski]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

If PUPped, he will be eligible to return week 7 (game 6).

Wrong. He can't play the first 6 GAMES (not WEEKS). The Lions' 6th game is in week 7, so he will be able to return week 8.

According to NFL rules, a player on the PUP list can't be cleared to practice until after Week 6.

 

[1huskerfan]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

PUP = 6 weeks. With Detroit's bye coming in the first 6 weeks he only misses 5 games.

Look it up. It's 6 games, not 6 weeks.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Do homers think that it's a given that he'll reclaim his job once healthy?

Not a homer, but that's an easy question to answer. As if Tater and Duckett are anywhere near the RB KJ is.

That 4.1 career per carry average is monstrous.

Actually, if you have watched him play, and seen how bad the offensive line has been here, that average IS monstrous. That's like 4.5 YPC on RBs who play for teams with an average or better line.

 

[1huskerfan]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

If PUPped, he will be eligible to return week 7 (game 6).

Wrong. He can't play the first 6 GAMES (not WEEKS). The Lions' 6th game is in week 7, so he will be able to return week 8.

According to NFL rules, a player on the PUP list can't be cleared to practice until after Week 6.

That just means he gets an extra week of practice before the team's 7th game.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

According to Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski, the PUP list is 6 weeks, not 6 games.

Link

Jones, the Detroit Lions running back, is currently on the Physically Unable to Perform list and the club has until Sept. 1 to make a big decision - either activate him to the roster or keep him on PUP where he'll miss the first five games of the season.

 

[yellowdog]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

PUP = 6 weeks. With Detroit's bye coming in the first 6 weeks he only misses 5 games.

Look it up. It's 6 games, not 6 weeks.

Show us where to look.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Do homers think that it's a given that he'll reclaim his job once healthy?

Not a homer, but that's an easy question to answer. As if Tater and Duckett are anywhere near the RB KJ is.

That 4.1 career per carry average is monstrous.

What was Benson's stat from the other night? 19 carries for 33 yards. I have no doubt that Jones is and will be a better back than Benson once he returns.

 

[mrward_1]

I got Jones in Round 11 of a 16 team league and was very happy to have him as my #4 RB. My first 3 RB's (LJ, Jacobs, Foster) don't have byes starting until Week 7 so I should be in decent shape.

 

[1huskerfan]

According to Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski, the PUP list is 6 weeks, not 6 games.

Link

Jones, the Detroit Lions running back, is currently on the Physically Unable to Perform list and the club has until Sept. 1 to make a big decision - either activate him to the roster or keep him on PUP where he'll miss the first five games of the season.

Link

 

[1huskerfan]

after week 6, if he's pup listed, he'll come back ready to get the starting job and could possibly tear it up the weeks 7-12, when FF guys most need points, and going into weeks 13-15 with a fresher set of legs than most ........ its worth a late round pick and roster spot, isn't it ?

some teams get 2 defenses and 2 kickers ........ me ? I'll take 1 kicker that has a week 8-9 bye, and Kevin Jones, and I'll hold jones through week 7-8 and take my chances

He can't return until week 8.I always target PKs/DSTs with late byes for roster flexibility. If I can't get a good one, I'll just play the WW every week.

PUP = 6 weeks. With Detroit's bye coming in the first 6 weeks he only misses 5 games.

Look it up. It's 6 games, not 6 weeks.

Show us where to look.

Different injury report but it states the NFL PUP policy.Link

If I'm wrong, great. I have him on both teams drafted so far. I just don't want anyone taking him with the expectation of getting him in week 7.

 

[yellowdog]

Players can only be put on the PUP list before the first practice of training camp. If they are not removed from it before the final roster cutdown to 53 players on Sept. 2, they must stay on it for the first six weeks of the season. At any time during Weeks 7-10, they can be activated or work out with the team.

Article from 2006

 

[1huskerfan]

Players can only be put on the PUP list before the first practice of training camp. If they are not removed from it before the final roster cutdown to 53 players on Sept. 2, they must stay on it for the first six weeks of the season. At any time during Weeks 7-10, they can be activated or work out with the team.

Article from 2006

LinkDetroit Lions Website

 

[Ozymandias]

Regardless of what it says, it is six games and not six weeks. Otherwise, you are not treating teams the same, because of their bye week.

 

[gadkins]

No remorse from me. I got him in the 9th round in an initial dynasty league 1/PPR league. I would like to use him by the end of the year.

 

[Defenze]

Regardless of what it says, it is six games and not six weeks. Otherwise, you are not treating teams the same, because of their bye week.

"My dad can beat up you dad" :( Are you dudes still in elementary school? He's back when he's back. Jeezzz

 

[Headbutts]

Nabbed T Bell as my #3RB, then Jones as my #4. We play three, so I'm good either way. Well, assuming there's a clear starter each week... Probably some guesswork some time in the middle of the season, but good to go on either end.

 

[falconeyed]

Found a link on another FF site after some Googling, so I won't post the link. 2003 discussion of the specifics of the PUP list, so it could be of dubious value. Says that player on PUP is inactive for the first six weeks of the season (not games, weeks), after which the team has a three week window to do one of three things ... activate the player, move him to IR or waive him.

I'm still looking ... you'd think that roster rules would be relatively easy to find. Apparently not.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Do homers think that it's a given that he'll reclaim his job once healthy?

Not a homer, but that's an easy question to answer. As if Tater and Duckett are anywhere near the RB KJ is.

That 4.1 career per carry average is monstrous.

What was Benson's stat from the other night? 19 carries for 33 yards. I have no doubt that Jones is and will be a better back than Benson once he returns.

haha....I thought this was a KJ thread?Are seriously comparing KJ in his entire career to a preseason game for Benson?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Do homers think that it's a given that he'll reclaim his job once healthy?

Not a homer, but that's an easy question to answer. As if Tater and Duckett are anywhere near the RB KJ is.

That 4.1 career per carry average is monstrous.

What was Benson's stat from the other night? 19 carries for 33 yards. I have no doubt that Jones is and will be a better back than Benson once he returns.

haha....I thought this was a KJ thread?Are seriously comparing KJ in his entire career to a preseason game for Benson?

KJ is a much better RB than Benson. He is better in every aspect.