Caitlin Clark vs Angel Reese - "Burning Heart" in the Desert (1 Viewer)

[Runkle]

So Clark has made the league so popular they're going to add 3 teams in major markets. I wonder if the women who now get to play in the pros thanks to three new rosters will try to injure her and kill their golden goose too?

 

[fatness]

WNBA To Expand Into 3 More Cities As Caitlin Clark Cloning Experiment Nears Completion

“Soon, Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia will reap the rewards of our effort to bioengineer several perfect replicas of Caitlin Clark,” said WNBA commissioner Cathy Engelbert, adding that the league would have the capacity to populate 18 teams with exact genetic copies of the point guard once the clones were finally done incubating.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I heard a great line about Angel Reese.....She leads the league in "mebounds"

That's pretty clever.

If you'd like to buy some Mebounds merch, just head on over to www.theangelreese.com .

Don't think the patent is pending yet, but it's been applied for.

Proceeds go to her foundation to help fight cyberbullying.

I don't think she gets the gist of what a "mebound" is based on those shirts. She's trying to turn it into "I own the boards" type sentiment. No, Angel, the point is you are such a bad shooter that half of your rebounds are because you can't make a layup and get the rebounds stats for rebounding your own missed layups. It's and insult to your poor skills as a basketball player, not a credit to your talent or effort.

Last season, if you subtracted all of the rebounds from her own misses, she would have still led the league in offensive rebounds and number 2 in TR (or the other way around.) The number is overstated.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I heard a great line about Angel Reese.....She leads the league in "mebounds"

That's pretty clever.

If you'd like to buy some Mebounds merch, just head on over to www.theangelreese.com .

Don't think the patent is pending yet, but it's been applied for.

Proceeds go to her foundation to help fight cyberbullying.

I don't think she gets the gist of what a "mebound" is based on those shirts. She's trying to turn it into "I own the boards" type sentiment. No, Angel, the point is you are such a bad shooter that half of your rebounds are because you can't make a layup and get the rebounds stats for rebounding your own missed layups. It's and insult to your poor skills as a basketball player, not a credit to your talent or effort.

Last season, if you subtracted all of the rebounds from her own misses, she would have still led the league in offensive rebounds and number 2 in TR (or the other way around.) The number is overstated.

IMO, her NBA comp is Dennis Rodman. Not the most talented player or most athletically gifted, but works extremely hard, is willing to get down and dirty, and has a great eye for angles on rebounding. And has a bit of recklessness and ego that annoys opposing players.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I heard a great line about Angel Reese.....She leads the league in "mebounds"

That's pretty clever.

If you'd like to buy some Mebounds merch, just head on over to www.theangelreese.com .

Don't think the patent is pending yet, but it's been applied for.

Proceeds go to her foundation to help fight cyberbullying.

I don't think she gets the gist of what a "mebound" is based on those shirts. She's trying to turn it into "I own the boards" type sentiment. No, Angel, the point is you are such a bad shooter that half of your rebounds are because you can't make a layup and get the rebounds stats for rebounding your own missed layups. It's and insult to your poor skills as a basketball player, not a credit to your talent or effort.

Last season, if you subtracted all of the rebounds from her own misses, she would have still led the league in offensive rebounds and number 2 in TR (or the other way around.) The number is overstated.

IMO, her NBA comp is Dennis Rodman. Not the most talented player or most athletically gifted, but works extremely hard, is willing to get down and dirty, and has a great eye for angles on rebounding. And has a bit of recklessness and ego that annoys opposing players.

I think that is fair. IMO she is a better scorer than the Worm but he was a better rebounder. Hard to pin point perfect parallel.

 

[pollardsvision]

I heard a great line about Angel Reese.....She leads the league in "mebounds"

That's pretty clever.

If you'd like to buy some Mebounds merch, just head on over to www.theangelreese.com .

Don't think the patent is pending yet, but it's been applied for.

Proceeds go to her foundation to help fight cyberbullying.

I don't think she gets the gist of what a "mebound" is based on those shirts. She's trying to turn it into "I own the boards" type sentiment. No, Angel, the point is you are such a bad shooter that half of your rebounds are because you can't make a layup and get the rebounds stats for rebounding your own missed layups. It's and insult to your poor skills as a basketball player, not a credit to your talent or effort.

Last season, if you subtracted all of the rebounds from her own misses, she would have still led the league in offensive rebounds and number 2 in TR (or the other way around.) The number is overstated.

IMO, her NBA comp is Dennis Rodman. Not the most talented player or most athletically gifted, but works extremely hard, is willing to get down and dirty, and has a great eye for angles on rebounding. And has a bit of recklessness and ego that annoys opposing players.

I think that is fair. IMO she is a better scorer than the Worm but he was a better rebounder. Hard to pin point perfect parallel.

She is definitely hard to pinpoint.

She's a unique player and has been through a number of different roles in her young career.
She took the league by storm in the early-mid part of last year when Cardoso started out hurt and then E-Will went down for the year. She settled in as basically the only big getting minutes on a team that struggled to score. She dominated on the boards, played good defense, and got enough points where she could. Her and Chennedy were the heart and soul of scrappy team that had no business making a playoff push (until they both got hurt).

Coming into this year, more of a focus on developing her and Kamilla together. Which, by the way, is a very tough ask. 2 young "back to the basket" bigs as the face of the franchise is a very odd spot to be in in 2025 (I'm still not sure it'll work). Atlanta has 2 traditional bigs, but they are vets, and the stars on the team are guards (and Griner has clearly lost a step and not getting a ton of minutes). Atlanta may have 2 big name traditional bigs, but in the important minutes, it's Bri and Naz Hiillman.

So, they come into the season trying to do something that's already very difficult and maybe unheard of these days. Then Sloot tears an ACL which sucks all around.

Angel is down to try some different things that look unlike what she was doing when she was at her best as a rookie.

It started off horribly this season, but it's come around. The point forward thing this year has had some moderate success. Became a damn near necessity when Sloot got hurt. Chicago is still technically starting Banham as their PG. Banham can shoot, but it's a disaster if you are asking her to be a ball-handler and creator.

The last 4 games ,she's averaged 17-17 with 4.8 assists and 2.3 steals. I hate referencing this sort of small sample crap, but the only players to do that over a 4-game span (men or women) are Barkley (twice), Garnett, and Kareem. Not comparing her to those players, but the point is, she's on a heater.

She was a top 5 recruit coming in to college as a guard, so it's not completely out of the blue. Her handle needs to get better, and obviously her overall offensive game. But at 6'3" she's a solid passer and ball-handler. Can get to the rim.

I don't think she'll ever be Alyssa Thomas. Nobody ever else has, but that's a good goal.

Whether all that ever works out, there is one thing I've noticed about her lately that I think might be the most important.........she's finally slowed the hell down (in the good way).

Her motor and aggressiveness has worked against her so much in her career.
We know the viral highlights. She gets the rebound and is hellbent on putting it back even when she's triple-teamed.

Even her biggest fans were calling for her to take a breath, take a beat and kick it out.

She seems to be doing that a lot more now.
That Sparks game turned on Angel driving into a 6'6" Azura with a help defender closing too. WIth rookie Angel, that was a blocked shot you could see coming a mile away.
This time, she took a beat and kicked it out to an open Nurse for a 3.

She's got a long way to go on her offensive game, but she's growing.

If all she ever is, is a high motor great rebounder and defender, that's a win with the #7 pick.
I don't know where she'll go, but there is potential for more. We'll see.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Reese is on one.

last six games:

17.8 PPG
17.0 RPG
4.8 APG
1.7 SPG
45.8% FG
88.2% FT

 

[boilerdave]

It looks like Caitlin may have reinjured her groin.
With All Star weekend in Indianapolis coming up in a few days

 

[FarFromHome]

It looks like Caitlin may have reinjured her groin.
With All Star weekend in Indianapolis coming up in a few days

Doh.

 

[PlayaHata]

It looks like Caitlin may have reinjured her groin.
With All Star weekend in Indianapolis coming up in a few days

I think I read somewhere that she had worked hard over this past offseason to build muscle/strength? That combined with the fact that she has never really dealt with any injuries all through HS and college has me wondering if all of these recent injuries (quad tightness, left quad strain, left groin, now right groin) might be related to that somehow?

 

[bigbottom]

Shane Gillis on Caitlin Clark

 

[bigbottom]

Shane Gillis on Brittany Hicks

 

[tommyGunZ]

Moses Malone is my Angel Reese comp, but Angel’s more skilled IMO.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Moses Malone is my Angel Reese comp, but Angel’s more skilled IMO.

Moses had a better handle than Angel. Then again, so does my 4 year old niece.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Celebrity Deathmatch '25 was the other working title here

-These two just can't seem to get out of each other's way. I feel like Davis is the instigator and to be perfectly honest, I don't watch a lick of the WNBA
And that's my point. I don't know a thing about it and yet I know who these two ladies(loose term) are.
Reese wears some swanky outfits to the theater, I mean arena before the games, gotta giver some credit for her overall attitude

I can't tell if this is whooped up drama trying to sell a product that is wasting their time marketing it to guys like me...
Wait a minute, did someone say cat fight?
And that's how it feels to me. They want to push the cat fight angle and try to get more clicks and views

And as far as Caitlin and Reese are concerned, let me help. You want my money?
Step in the ring as soon as the season concludes and you two rack up a few more personal fouls and technicals with each other.
That's right, fight in an exhibition with advertisers that will easily push the purse past any amount of money they pay you in the WNBA, little over 100 grand when I checked

The advertisers pushing a boxing match for the two of you will easily net you several million each so think long and hard about what you are willing to do
Stop selling a product nobody wants, just enjoy playing basketball or get in the ring.
But stop having fights during games and trying to sell the WNBA like it's hockey, or some action packed wrestling, IT'S NOT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPmnyzmWy4

-The title is an obvious reference to the Rocky IV theme song but went with GnR on the closeout anyways

GrandMOPa! Congrats on your recent family promotion.

Like you, I’m a white male in my early 50s. Sports, entertainment, and movies have pretty much been geared to folks like you and me since forever. We have stories that speak to us because they’re written for us. Sports heroes we can idolize because they look like us, and play the sports we played. Movies about people like us.

Guess what? The world is changing, and movies, entertainment, and even sports are now catering to other audiences. Who knew, but turns out people of color like Disney movies as well! Gay people enjoy watching television shows that reflect characters they can identify with. And gosh dolly…..it turns out women like sports! You turn on ESPN and you might catch women’s college softball, or an LPGA event, or god forbid, a WNBA game.

Are the audiences for women’s sports as large as for traditional men’s sports? Of course not; women’s sports are in their infancy and will need decades to catch up.

But fortunately, little granddaughterMOP will grow up in a golden age for women’s sports. She’ll have opportunities girls never had 20-30 years ago, and she’ll see movies and TV shows that speak to her human experience, unlike before when entertainment of all kinds catered to one demographic.

The WNBA isn’t for you? That’s cool - there’s 30 other channels you can watch and find something that suits your fancy. But somewhere out there, on the other sides of screens, are a ton of young girls who DO like the WNBA, and who are inspired by seeing girls compete and excel in hoops. And in my opinion it’s far more important that they’re finally getting that opportunity than it is for crusty old MOP to whine about how his ESPN highlights contain clips of sports he doesn’t follow closely.

B/c very soon, one of those young girls will be granddaughterMOP.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Celebrity Deathmatch '25 was the other working title here

-These two just can't seem to get out of each other's way. I feel like Davis is the instigator and to be perfectly honest, I don't watch a lick of the WNBA
And that's my point. I don't know a thing about it and yet I know who these two ladies(loose term) are.
Reese wears some swanky outfits to the theater, I mean arena before the games, gotta giver some credit for her overall attitude

I can't tell if this is whooped up drama trying to sell a product that is wasting their time marketing it to guys like me...
Wait a minute, did someone say cat fight?
And that's how it feels to me. They want to push the cat fight angle and try to get more clicks and views

And as far as Caitlin and Reese are concerned, let me help. You want my money?
Step in the ring as soon as the season concludes and you two rack up a few more personal fouls and technicals with each other.
That's right, fight in an exhibition with advertisers that will easily push the purse past any amount of money they pay you in the WNBA, little over 100 grand when I checked

The advertisers pushing a boxing match for the two of you will easily net you several million each so think long and hard about what you are willing to do
Stop selling a product nobody wants, just enjoy playing basketball or get in the ring.
But stop having fights during games and trying to sell the WNBA like it's hockey, or some action packed wrestling, IT'S NOT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPmnyzmWy4

-The title is an obvious reference to the Rocky IV theme song but went with GnR on the closeout anyways

GrandMOPa! Congrats on your recent family promotion.

Like you, I’m a white male in my early 50s. Sports, entertainment, and movies have pretty much been geared to folks like you and me since forever. We have stories that speak to us because they’re written for us. Sports heroes we can idolize because they look like us, and play the sports we played. Movies about people like us.

Guess what? The world is changing, and movies, entertainment, and even sports are now catering to other audiences. Who knew, but turns out people of color like Disney movies as well! Gay people enjoy watching television shows that reflect characters they can identify with. And gosh dolly…..it turns out women like sports! You turn on ESPN and you might catch women’s college softball, or and LPGA even, or god forbid, a WNBA game.

Are the audiences for women’s sports as large as for traditional men’s sports? Of course not; women’s sports are in their infancy and will need decades to catch up.

But fortunately, little granddaughterMOP will grow up in a golden age for women’s sports. She’ll have opportunities girls never had 20-30 years ago, and she’ll see movies and TV shoes that speak to her human experience, unlike before when entertainment of all kinds catered to one demographic.

The WNBA isn’t for you? That’s cool - there’s 30 other channels you can watch and find something that suits your fancy. But somewhere out there, on the other sides of screens, are a ton of young girls who DO like the WNBA, and who are inspired by seeing girls compete and excel in hoops. And in my opinion it’s far more important that they’re finally getting that opportunity than it is for crusty old MOP to whine about how his ESPN highlights contain clips of sports he doesn’t follow closely.

B/c very soon, one of those young girls will be granddaughterMOP.

She will be given a classical education
There will be an approved movie list
She won't have social media access anytime soon
There will be an approved music list and artists
She will be given books from an approved list of titles
Her father and I know what's best for her

 

[fatness]

She will be given a classical education
There will be an approved movie list
She won't have social media access anytime soon
There will be an approved music list and artists
She will be given books from an approved list of titles

In 20 years let us know how this went.

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

 

[Judge Smails]

Angel Reese is such a non factor. Don’t know why she’s even in this conversation

 

[fatness]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Are advertisers on WNBA broadcasts losing money?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

They all treat the one player that has brought them more attention and potential money like crap. It's the strangest thing ever.

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Are advertisers on WNBA broadcasts losing money?

Im guessing they are doing okay if they keep buying ad space/time. End of the day not enough people are watching the WNBA for it to be self sufficient.

 

[tommyGunZ]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

I get it and NBA players weren't making millions when it started either.

Now if the argument is that the NBA and WNBA are a joint venture then I'd agree that WNBA players aren't getting their share of the NBA profits.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

 

[tommyGunZ]

WNBA revenues have doubled over the last 5-6 years. My guess is that it’s good business for the NBA to continue to grow the WNBA, for the bottom line of both leagues.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

 

[Ghost Rider]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

I can't remember the exact numbers, but over half of the flagrant fouls committed in the WNBA last season were against just Clark. That is insane.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

I can't remember the exact numbers, but over half of the flagrant fouls committed in the WNBA last season were against just Clark. That is insane.

I read about this a while back. Last season there were 35 flagrant fouls in the WNBA, 6 of them against Clark (17%). Not more than half, but still she's a statistical outlier. I'm sure all 6 were in heavy rotation in viral rage-inducing Instagram reels spread far and wide. Do those 6 flagrant fouls mean most players in the league "treat Clark like crap out of jealousy"? Or does it say more about her play style, which is that she always has the ball in her hands and loves to drive hard to the rim?

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Clark has put up with a decent amount of BS from the league and league mates. She was left off the Olympic roster because the veterans said she "didn't deserve it".

There was also that one WNBA owner who took issue with Clark being named Time athlete of the year, saying the whole league deserved it more than elevating one person.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

Of course she's targeted, just like every NBA stud scorer is. She also frequently drives and initiates contact and flops a ton, just like every other great scorer.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

Of course she's targeted, just like every NBA stud scorer is. She also frequently drives and initiates contact and flops a ton, just like every other great scorer.

Sure man. You admit you don't watch but you got it figured out.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

Of course she's targeted, just like every NBA stud scorer is. She also frequently drives and initiates contact and flops a ton, just like every other great scorer.

Sure man. You admit you don't watch but you got it figured out.

So are you saying your claim that most of the players in the WNBA treat her like crap - which is obviously an exaggeration - is based on your extensive experience watching her games? Its a physical league and she gets fouled a lot like every other high scoring player at every level of basketball ever. I watched her play at Iowa and am a huge fan, but I've seen this bizarre narrative forming since she was drafted that the league is out to get her. It started with the olympic decision which was heavily discussed in here at the time. The Taurasi/Bird comments when she was drafted were taken out of context and blown way out of proportion. What I've seen is nearly unanimously positive comments and support for Clark coming from other players in the league from day one. What I haven't seen is anyone associated with the league, including Clark herself, make these claims of mistreatment or targeting. I see constant whining about her perceived mistreatment but no real evidence of any actual mistreatment. She's easily the most celebrated and promoted player in league history.

 

[fatness]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Are advertisers on WNBA broadcasts losing money?

Im guessing they are doing okay if they keep buying ad space/time. End of the day not enough people are watching the WNBA for it to be self sufficient.

If the advertisers are making money on WNBA broadcasts, and they wouldn't keep advertising if they didn't believe it was, then money is being made on the WNBA overall. It's just going more to advertisers and less to the league.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

NBA Owners Furious With WNBA For Losing More Money During Most Popular Season

The WNBA is coming off of its most-popular season in league history with the arrival of Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese and the rest of the 2024 rookie class.

brobible.com

According to the New York Post, the WNBA will lost $40 million this season. This is the 26th-straight year where it will fail to turn a profit. Never before has the professional women’s basketball league made a single dollar since it first came to exist in the spring of 1996.

• Just this year, the NBA signed a massive $75 billion media deal with Disney, NBCUniversal, and Amazon, and the WNBA got a cut—$2.2 billion over 11 years, or roughly $200 million a year.

So if they start getting 200 million a year I guess it will start being profitable?

I don't even watch mens basketball but it seems like womens basketball is on all the time now.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

also put me on team @Ramblin Wreck he's right about how a large portion of the wnba is jealous/doesn't like her

​

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

Of course she's targeted, just like every NBA stud scorer is. She also frequently drives and initiates contact and flops a ton, just like every other great scorer.

Sure man. You admit you don't watch but you got it figured out.

So are you saying your claim that most of the players in the WNBA treat her like crap - which is obviously an exaggeration - is based on your extensive experience watching her games? Its a physical league and she gets fouled a lot like every other high scoring player at every level of basketball ever. I watched her play at Iowa and am a huge fan, but I've seen this bizarre narrative forming since she was drafted that the league is out to get her. It started with the olympic decision which was heavily discussed in here at the time. The Taurasi/Bird comments when she was drafted were taken out of context and blown way out of proportion. What I've seen is nearly unanimously positive comments and support for Clark coming from other players in the league from day one. What I haven't seen is anyone associated with the league, including Clark herself, make these claims of mistreatment or targeting. I see constant whining about her perceived mistreatment but no real evidence of any actual mistreatment. She's easily the most celebrated and promoted player in league history.

You said you don’t watch wnba but you clearly think you know what happens. Weird stance but okay. Watch the games and listen to the petty comments. Or don’t.

 

[Navin Johnson]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Clark has put up with a decent amount of BS from the league and league mates. She was left off the Olympic roster because the veterans said she "didn't deserve it".

There was also that one WNBA owner who took issue with Clark being named Time athlete of the year, saying the whole league deserved it more than elevating one person.

She was left off the olympic roster because she didn't attend the try out.

 

[Navin Johnson]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

I watch multiple games a week. The targeted narrative is

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

I watch multiple games a week. The targeted narrative is

Okay

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Are advertisers on WNBA broadcasts losing money?

Im guessing they are doing okay if they keep buying ad space/time. End of the day not enough people are watching the WNBA for it to be self sufficient.

If the advertisers are making money on WNBA broadcasts, and they wouldn't keep advertising if they didn't believe it was, then money is being made on the WNBA overall. It's just going more to advertisers and less to the league.

Its league expenditures that are keeping the league from being profitable. WNBA just signed a large TV deal that might get them over the hump into profits. The problem is that the players are demanding the same revenue cut as the NBA players, but the WNBA isn't cranking out profits to justify that demand yet. Maybe a couple years down the line they can demand this, but it doesn't make sense today.

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Clark has put up with a decent amount of BS from the league and league mates. She was left off the Olympic roster because the veterans said she "didn't deserve it".

There was also that one WNBA owner who took issue with Clark being named Time athlete of the year, saying the whole league deserved it more than elevating one person.

She was left off the olympic roster because she didn't attend the try out.

I think that's just their excuse. She was playing in the NCAA final four at the time and was eligable for the team.

She was arguably the most popular womens player in the world and Team USA kept her off the world stage. Clark on Team USA would have benefited the entire sport of women's basketball globally and they passed on it. Things like that might be why the sport can't take the next step.

 

[Navin Johnson]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Clark has put up with a decent amount of BS from the league and league mates. She was left off the Olympic roster because the veterans said she "didn't deserve it".

There was also that one WNBA owner who took issue with Clark being named Time athlete of the year, saying the whole league deserved it more than elevating one person.

She was left off the olympic roster because she didn't attend the try out.

I think that's just their excuse. She was playing in the NCAA final four at the time and was eligable for the team.

She was arguably the most popular womens player in the world and Team USA kept her off the world stage. Clark on Team USA would have benefited the entire sport of women's basketball globally and they passed on it. Things like that might be why the sport can't take the next step.

I don't think you can argue that. Bueckers was still a more popular player internationally than CC. I remember asking my mens players if they saw her logo shots online and, without exception, they would say the only women's college basketball player they knew was Paige or that they didn't follow any women's college basketball. The reason the the sport's growth is being restricted is that a particular subset of "fans" will only show up if a straight white player is the star. The numbers that CC brings are great, but those fans won't stick around once the shine wears off.

 

[Max Power]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Clark has put up with a decent amount of BS from the league and league mates. She was left off the Olympic roster because the veterans said she "didn't deserve it".

There was also that one WNBA owner who took issue with Clark being named Time athlete of the year, saying the whole league deserved it more than elevating one person.

She was left off the olympic roster because she didn't attend the try out.

I think that's just their excuse. She was playing in the NCAA final four at the time and was eligable for the team.

She was arguably the most popular womens player in the world and Team USA kept her off the world stage. Clark on Team USA would have benefited the entire sport of women's basketball globally and they passed on it. Things like that might be why the sport can't take the next step.

I don't think you can argue that. Bueckers was still a more popular player internationally than CC. I remember asking my mens players if they saw her logo shots online and, without exception, they would say the only women's college basketball player they knew was Paige or that they didn't follow any women's college basketball. The reason the the sport's growth is being restricted is that a particular subset of "fans" will only show up if a straight white player is the star. The numbers that CC brings are great, but those fans won't stick around once the shine wears off.

Caitlin Clark has the #2 OVERALL selling jersey globally in 2024. She was an international star.

Clark is responsible for 26.5% of WNBA revenue because of how popular she is. Any entity passing on that is foolish.

I also think if you make the argument that the shine could wear off Clark and those fans don't stick around, that's bad news for the future of the WNBA. aka, pay us what you owe us makes sense if there is projected growth in the WNBA. If it's a flash in the pan, the league will continue to lose money.

 

[tommyGunZ]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Clark has put up with a decent amount of BS from the league and league mates. She was left off the Olympic roster because the veterans said she "didn't deserve it".

There was also that one WNBA owner who took issue with Clark being named Time athlete of the year, saying the whole league deserved it more than elevating one person.

She was left off the olympic roster because she didn't attend the try out.

I think that's just their excuse. She was playing in the NCAA final four at the time and was eligable for the team.

She was arguably the most popular womens player in the world and Team USA kept her off the world stage. Clark on Team USA would have benefited the entire sport of women's basketball globally and they passed on it. Things like that might be why the sport can't take the next step.

I don't think you can argue that. Bueckers was still a more popular player internationally than CC. I remember asking my mens players if they saw her logo shots online and, without exception, they would say the only women's college basketball player they knew was Paige or that they didn't follow any women's college basketball. The reason the the sport's growth is being restricted is that a particular subset of "fans" will only show up if a straight white player is the star. The numbers that CC brings are great, but those fans won't stick around once the shine wears off.

Caitlin Clark has the #2 OVERALL selling jersey globally in 2024. She was an international star.

Clark is responsible for 26.5% of WNBA revenue because of how popular she is. Any entity passing on that is foolish.

I also think if you make the argument that the shine could wear off Clark and those fans don't stick around, that's bad news for the future of the WNBA. aka, pay us what you owe us makes sense if there is projected growth in the WNBA. If it's a flash in the pan, the league will continue to lose money.

3 investors/groups just paid $250M each to get a franchise license. Apparently there is some demand and projected growth.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

WNBA ladies caused quite the stir with the "Pay US What You Owe Us" shirts.

Reminder the WNBA is not profitable.

Lots of entities lose money early in their lifespan, including the NBA.

The NBA essentially owns the WNBA. They can play the players more - and my guess is they will soon.

They are in their 28th season. When does early lifespan end?

Caitlin Clark might be the saivor. Things improved financially once she entered the league. She has a clear case for not being paid what she's worth.

That was my point a few messages ago. She's clearly bringing eyeballs, fans, and popularity to the league that everyone can benefit from. And most of the players treat her like crap out of jealousy as if they want to continue making peanuts to play. It's so odd.

If she retired today, I'm not sure 200 people would watch their games the rest of the season.

I feel like this "most of the players treat her like crap" narrative is pure social media fantasy. She's surely the biggest current star in the sport. I watch almost no WNBA, but every time I see Caitlyn Clark she's walking a red carpet somewhere or is the new star in a national ad campaign. Who is treating her poorly? Please don't pretend that playing defense and hard fouling on the other team's star player is some form of mistreatment.

Watch the games. If you think she isn't targeted I don't know what else to say. It's mind-boggling she can be everyone's cash cow and so many of these players can't get out of their own way.

I watch multiple games a week. The targeted narrative is

Was she targeted last year?

 

[SWC]

she was definitely targeted by the sky which is of course reeses team last year four of the flagrants against clark were by the sky the other teams who got flagrants against her only each had one so really it the sky and how they play her and really the league ought to look at that closely take that to the bank bromigos