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Caitlin Clark vs Angel Reese - "Burning Heart" in the Desert (2 Viewers)
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Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Last season, if you subtracted all of the rebounds from her own misses, she would have still led the league in offensive rebounds and number 2 in TR (or the other way around.) The number is overstated.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
IMO, her NBA comp is Dennis Rodman. Not the most talented player or most athletically gifted, but works extremely hard, is willing to get down and dirty, and has a great eye for angles on rebounding. And has a bit of recklessness and ego that annoys opposing players.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
I think that is fair. IMO she is a better scorer than the Worm but he was a better rebounder. Hard to pin point perfect parallel.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
She is definitely hard to pinpoint.
She's a unique player and has been through a number of different roles in her young career.
She took the league by storm in the early-mid part of last year when Cardoso started out hurt and then E-Will went down for the year. She settled in as basically the only big getting minutes on a team that struggled to score. She dominated on the boards, played good defense, and got enough points where she could. Her and Chennedy were the heart and soul of scrappy team that had no business making a playoff push (until they both got hurt).
Coming into this year, more of a focus on developing her and Kamilla together. Which, by the way, is a very tough ask. 2 young "back to the basket" bigs as the face of the franchise is a very odd spot to be in in 2025 (I'm still not sure it'll work). Atlanta has 2 traditional bigs, but they are vets, and the stars on the team are guards (and Griner has clearly lost a step and not getting a ton of minutes). Atlanta may have 2 big name traditional bigs, but in the important minutes, it's Bri and Naz Hiillman.
So, they come into the season trying to do something that's already very difficult and maybe unheard of these days. Then Sloot tears an ACL which sucks all around.
Angel is down to try some different things that look unlike what she was doing when she was at her best as a rookie.
It started off horribly this season, but it's come around. The point forward thing this year has had some moderate success. Became a damn near necessity when Sloot got hurt. Chicago is still technically starting Banham as their PG. Banham can shoot, but it's a disaster if you are asking her to be a ball-handler and creator.
The last 4 games ,she's averaged 17-17 with 4.8 assists and 2.3 steals. I hate referencing this sort of small sample crap, but the only players to do that over a 4-game span (men or women) are Barkley (twice), Garnett, and Kareem. Not comparing her to those players, but the point is, she's on a heater.
She was a top 5 recruit coming in to college as a guard, so it's not completely out of the blue. Her handle needs to get better, and obviously her overall offensive game. But at 6'3" she's a solid passer and ball-handler. Can get to the rim.
I don't think she'll ever be Alyssa Thomas. Nobody ever else has, but that's a good goal.
Whether all that ever works out, there is one thing I've noticed about her lately that I think might be the most important.........she's finally slowed the hell down (in the good way).
Her motor and aggressiveness has worked against her so much in her career.
We know the viral highlights. She gets the rebound and is hellbent on putting it back even when she's triple-teamed.
Even her biggest fans were calling for her to take a breath, take a beat and kick it out.
She seems to be doing that a lot more now.
That Sparks game turned on Angel driving into a 6'6" Azura with a help defender closing too. WIth rookie Angel, that was a blocked shot you could see coming a mile away.
This time, she took a beat and kicked it out to an open Nurse for a 3.
She's got a long way to go on her offensive game, but she's growing.
If all she ever is, is a high motor great rebounder and defender, that's a win with the #7 pick.
I don't know where she'll go, but there is potential for more. We'll see.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Reese is on one.
last six games:
17.8 PPG
17.0 RPG
4.8 APG
1.7 SPG
45.8% FG
88.2% FT
last six games:
17.8 PPG
17.0 RPG
4.8 APG
1.7 SPG
45.8% FG
88.2% FT
boilerdave
Footballguy
It looks like Caitlin may have reinjured her groin.
With All Star weekend in Indianapolis coming up in a few days
With All Star weekend in Indianapolis coming up in a few days
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Doh.It looks like Caitlin may have reinjured her groin.
With All Star weekend in Indianapolis coming up in a few days
PlayaHata
Footballguy
It looks like Caitlin may have reinjured her groin.
With All Star weekend in Indianapolis coming up in a few days
I think I read somewhere that she had worked hard over this past offseason to build muscle/strength? That combined with the fact that she has never really dealt with any injuries all through HS and college has me wondering if all of these recent injuries (quad tightness, left quad strain, left groin, now right groin) might be related to that somehow?
bigbottom
Footballguy
bigbottom
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Moses had a better handle than Angel. Then again, so does my 4 year old niece.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Celebrity Deathmatch '25 was the other working title here
-These two just can't seem to get out of each other's way. I feel like Davis is the instigator and to be perfectly honest, I don't watch a lick of the WNBA
And that's my point. I don't know a thing about it and yet I know who these two ladies(loose term) are.
Reese wears some swanky outfits to the theater, I mean arena before the games, gotta giver some credit for her overall attitude
I can't tell if this is whooped up drama trying to sell a product that is wasting their time marketing it to guys like me...
Wait a minute, did someone say cat fight?
And that's how it feels to me. They want to push the cat fight angle and try to get more clicks and views
And as far as Caitlin and Reese are concerned, let me help. You want my money?
Step in the ring as soon as the season concludes and you two rack up a few more personal fouls and technicals with each other.
That's right, fight in an exhibition with advertisers that will easily push the purse past any amount of money they pay you in the WNBA, little over 100 grand when I checked
The advertisers pushing a boxing match for the two of you will easily net you several million each so think long and hard about what you are willing to do
Stop selling a product nobody wants, just enjoy playing basketball or get in the ring.
But stop having fights during games and trying to sell the WNBA like it's hockey, or some action packed wrestling, IT'S NOT!
-The title is an obvious reference to the Rocky IV theme song but went with GnR on the closeout anyways
GrandMOPa! Congrats on your recent family promotion.
Like you, I’m a white male in my early 50s. Sports, entertainment, and movies have pretty much been geared to folks like you and me since forever. We have stories that speak to us because they’re written for us. Sports heroes we can idolize because they look like us, and play the sports we played. Movies about people like us.
Guess what? The world is changing, and movies, entertainment, and even sports are now catering to other audiences. Who knew, but turns out people of color like Disney movies as well! Gay people enjoy watching television shows that reflect characters they can identify with. And gosh dolly…..it turns out women like sports! You turn on ESPN and you might catch women’s college softball, or an LPGA event, or god forbid, a WNBA game.
Are the audiences for women’s sports as large as for traditional men’s sports? Of course not; women’s sports are in their infancy and will need decades to catch up.
But fortunately, little granddaughterMOP will grow up in a golden age for women’s sports. She’ll have opportunities girls never had 20-30 years ago, and she’ll see movies and TV shows that speak to her human experience, unlike before when entertainment of all kinds catered to one demographic.
The WNBA isn’t for you? That’s cool - there’s 30 other channels you can watch and find something that suits your fancy. But somewhere out there, on the other sides of screens, are a ton of young girls who DO like the WNBA, and who are inspired by seeing girls compete and excel in hoops. And in my opinion it’s far more important that they’re finally getting that opportunity than it is for crusty old MOP to whine about how his ESPN highlights contain clips of sports he doesn’t follow closely.
B/c very soon, one of those young girls will be granddaughterMOP.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
She will be given a classical educationCelebrity Deathmatch '25 was the other working title here
-These two just can't seem to get out of each other's way. I feel like Davis is the instigator and to be perfectly honest, I don't watch a lick of the WNBA
And that's my point. I don't know a thing about it and yet I know who these two ladies(loose term) are.
Reese wears some swanky outfits to the theater, I mean arena before the games, gotta giver some credit for her overall attitude
I can't tell if this is whooped up drama trying to sell a product that is wasting their time marketing it to guys like me...
Wait a minute, did someone say cat fight?
And that's how it feels to me. They want to push the cat fight angle and try to get more clicks and views
And as far as Caitlin and Reese are concerned, let me help. You want my money?
Step in the ring as soon as the season concludes and you two rack up a few more personal fouls and technicals with each other.
That's right, fight in an exhibition with advertisers that will easily push the purse past any amount of money they pay you in the WNBA, little over 100 grand when I checked
The advertisers pushing a boxing match for the two of you will easily net you several million each so think long and hard about what you are willing to do
Stop selling a product nobody wants, just enjoy playing basketball or get in the ring.
But stop having fights during games and trying to sell the WNBA like it's hockey, or some action packed wrestling, IT'S NOT!
-The title is an obvious reference to the Rocky IV theme song but went with GnR on the closeout anyways
GrandMOPa! Congrats on your recent family promotion.
Like you, I’m a white male in my early 50s. Sports, entertainment, and movies have pretty much been geared to folks like you and me since forever. We have stories that speak to us because they’re written for us. Sports heroes we can idolize because they look like us, and play the sports we played. Movies about people like us.
Guess what? The world is changing, and movies, entertainment, and even sports are now catering to other audiences. Who knew, but turns out people of color like Disney movies as well! Gay people enjoy watching television shows that reflect characters they can identify with. And gosh dolly…..it turns out women like sports! You turn on ESPN and you might catch women’s college softball, or and LPGA even, or god forbid, a WNBA game.
Are the audiences for women’s sports as large as for traditional men’s sports? Of course not; women’s sports are in their infancy and will need decades to catch up.
But fortunately, little granddaughterMOP will grow up in a golden age for women’s sports. She’ll have opportunities girls never had 20-30 years ago, and she’ll see movies and TV shoes that speak to her human experience, unlike before when entertainment of all kinds catered to one demographic.
The WNBA isn’t for you? That’s cool - there’s 30 other channels you can watch and find something that suits your fancy. But somewhere out there, on the other sides of screens, are a ton of young girls who DO like the WNBA, and who are inspired by seeing girls compete and excel in hoops. And in my opinion it’s far more important that they’re finally getting that opportunity than it is for crusty old MOP to whine about how his ESPN highlights contain clips of sports he doesn’t follow closely.
B/c very soon, one of those young girls will be granddaughterMOP.
There will be an approved movie list
She won't have social media access anytime soon
There will be an approved music list and artists
She will be given books from an approved list of titles
Her father and I know what's best for her
fatness
Footballguy
In 20 years let us know how this went.
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