montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
To be fair i want to say they were 6-3 heading into the bye last year. I am still skeptical of them.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I didnt like the hire
But I will say that Caldwell has done a good job on reducing the teams penalties from the Jimmy Handshake era
But I will say that Caldwell has done a good job on reducing the teams penalties from the Jimmy Handshake era
TartanLion
Footballguy
Far less penalties.
Seems to be a better man manager ( or at least his staff is ) and knows how to deal with and treat differing characters to get the best out of them.
Players seem better coached as previously average players are playing much better as a whole eg DBs
Commands more respect than Schwartz and gives off a far better aura - quietly spoken, assured, calm etc
Pretty happy with him tbh.
Seems to be a better man manager ( or at least his staff is ) and knows how to deal with and treat differing characters to get the best out of them.
Players seem better coached as previously average players are playing much better as a whole eg DBs
Commands more respect than Schwartz and gives off a far better aura - quietly spoken, assured, calm etc
Pretty happy with him tbh.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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FTR, I hated the hire. But I remain hopeful.
I keep coming back even though like most Lions fans I feel like a dog who's been beat too much.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes. The schedule has also been very kind and the last two wins were gifts thanks to the opposing playcalling. With the remaining 8 games, I expect them to go .500 and finish 10-6.
fatness
Footballguy
Yeah, it's fair to be skeptical, I agree.
At the same time the Lions look different this year. They've been without Calvin Johnson for awhile. If I'm not mistaken they've had some RB injuries also. Stafford isn't throwing for 700 yards a game.
They seem more in control; they seem more disciplined and professional; they do not seem to be beating themselves with stupid penalties and turnovers as they used to do. So far this year they look like a noticeably improved team.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Nobody sends out the punt team in a big spot like this guy.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
going for it at mid field was not the right call, the punter shanking it was terrible
Shutout
Footballguy
Didn't like the hire when it happened and the result was about exact as was expected: took a roster with a great deal of talent on offense, resulted in reducing the high octane, eliminated immediately in the playoffs.
If a step above mediocre is what you strive for, good hire. What I WILL say they did good I this hit sis they completely got rid of the bs, drama, etc. he's a professional coach, he's a good guy. He's not a dynamic coach that takes teams to Super Bowls
If a step above mediocre is what you strive for, good hire. What I WILL say they did good I this hit sis they completely got rid of the bs, drama, etc. he's a professional coach, he's a good guy. He's not a dynamic coach that takes teams to Super Bowls
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
simey
Footballguy
That high octane offense from 2013 didn't even make the playoffs, and they blew leads in several games resulting in losses. This year they won several games where they had to come back from behind, and some were without Calvin Johnson. The Lions from 2013 wouldn't have done that.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
FUBAR
Footballguy
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
But they also played a much easier schedule in 2014 compared to 2013. Their 11-4 record was a mirage. Next year's schedule will be much tougher still. I really didn't like the hire at the time and still don't like it.
G
General Tso
Guest
Disagree with your criticism there. You have a 3 point lead and one of the best defenses in football. Punt the ball and play to your strength. Put the pressure on Romo. Even after the horrible punt Dallas still had to convert a 4th and 6, 3rd and 7, and a 3rd and 8 on that game winning drive. And even after all that, Detroit still got the ball with 2 and a half minutes left. In short, an awful lot had to go right for the Cowboys to win there.If you want to criticize Caldwell, criticize the play calling on the 3rd and 1 (the phantom pass interference call). Don't get cute there. You've been moving the ball effectively. Just hand it off on 3rd and 1 and milk the clock further and likely convert it that way.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If your defense is so great, then they'll cover for your offense if they gag. When you have Stafford and Bush and Bell and Megatron and Tate... you HAVE to be able to get 1 yard there to go close the game out. Belichick wouldn't have thought twice about going for it there. But Caldwell's man-stuff shriveled up in a big spot.
Weren't they on like the 41 or something. They were definitely inside the 50. Even a good punt might have rolled into the endzone for a 20 yard net.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Was Caudell always this much of an ### in Indy? I have heard his last 2 press conferences on the radio and I can't stand the guy.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
This can't be shocking to anyone.
Dude won 2 games..., why did he get another chance?
Dude won 2 games..., why did he get another chance?
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Lol. I hate the way he called out the reporter for asking if they thought about blitzing Rodgers after he hurt his leg. This week he said he wants the human element taken out if the game. These mistake can't happen.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Yeah I agree with this
That Dallas forth down conversion happened on the 4th play after the punt at the Detroit 42.
It was 4th and 6.
Now even if the Detroit punt goes out of bounds and Dallas starts on their own 20 there is no way Dallas goes for it on 4th down from inside their own 30 with 6 minutes left.
fatness
Footballguy
Agreed, he was a big improvement over Schwartz. Schwartz had a pretty talented team play well below its talent level for years. With Caldwell as coach the Lions are more disciplined and played up to their ability.
georg013
Footballguy
If you cant get one yard with the biggest game of the season on the line, you dont deserve to win. Caldwell didnt even try. Dont defend his conservative playcalling. He has been doing it all year. Getting a small lead then milking out the clock. No killer instinct whatsoever and Dallas climbed out on top. Suck it Detroit fans. Your coach is softer than prescription cotton.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I was saying...I could have done what he did with the Colts. As could anyone else. The only thing he managed to do was hold the offense back by punting instead of going for it, FGs instead of TD attempts, etc.
Welcome to continued futility, Detroit.
But at least they'll make Stafford happy.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
You were saying "continued futility" and the Lions had their best season since 1991.I was saying...I could have done what he did with the Colts. As could anyone else. The only thing he managed to do was hold the offense back by punting instead of going for it, FGs instead of TD attempts, etc.
Welcome to continued futility, Detroit.
But at least they'll make Stafford happy.
I think we just have to accept at this point that Caldwell is a poor man's Andy Reid: good team manager, terrible game manager. He made a fantastic hire in Austin, his players all seem to love playing for him, and other than the one year where he had Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky as his QBs, he's won pretty consistently. (And just stop it with the, "I could coach Peyton Manning to 14 straight wins" BS. First of all, you couldn't. Second, the fact that Peyton called the Lions up last year and strongly recommended Caldwell says a lot in my book.)
It does raise an interesting question, though: Why must we simply accept that coaches like Reid and Caldwell are bad game managers? Why don't they recognize it as a weakness and hire an assistant who specializes in just that?
It does raise an interesting question, though: Why must we simply accept that coaches like Reid and Caldwell are bad game managers? Why don't they recognize it as a weakness and hire an assistant who specializes in just that?
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Welcome to being happy with just making the playoffs.Spartans Rule said:You were saying "continued futility" and the Lions had their best season since 1991.I was saying...I could have done what he did with the Colts. As could anyone else. The only thing he managed to do was hold the offense back by punting instead of going for it, FGs instead of TD attempts, etc.
Welcome to continued futility, Detroit.
But at least they'll make Stafford happy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How would this work? You're suggesting teams should hire a guy whose only job on game day is to be chief decision maker? And you would expect the head coach to defer to this assistant?
Well, that would make for some interesting dynamics.
No, I didn't mean "Special Assistant in Charge of Clock Management and Challenges", I meant, for example, make sure you get an offensive coordinator who's particularly good at that kind of stuff. Kind of like a CEO who's better at the big picture stuff hiring a COO who loves managing all the small details.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So much talent on this offense and it's completely broken. This is big-boy football... someone's gotta be held accountable.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Actually own PraterJust picked up David Akers
He gave me a solid -1 this week.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
BTW, fantastic thread... If the 49ers weren't so dysfunctional right now, I'd feel bad for Lions fans.
The predictions from the beginning of this thread were all spot on, although it was as predictable as the sun coming up tomorrow (well, at least to everyone on Earth excluding the Lions front office).
The predictions from the beginning of this thread were all spot on, although it was as predictable as the sun coming up tomorrow (well, at least to everyone on Earth excluding the Lions front office).
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I'm not getting any younger, Martha
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
While this is true, the 49ers QB makes Stafford look like Johhny U.A stat line of 9/19 for 67 and 4 ints, 2 of which went for 6... He could be your QB, so technically it could be worse. Regardless, neither situation is enviable. I assume both clean house if the season progresses as anticipated.
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