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Caldwell To Coach Lions (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Sample size
Stafford is 3-35 against winning teams
0-20 on the road
THAT is a sufficient sample size
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Still an upgrade over Schwartz whose teams were ill-prepared, penalty prone, and just plane bad most weeks. He squeaked out a four win season in 2012 that included seven one score losses with a team that should have competed for a Super Bowl.
I don't think the personnel is all that great on defense and Stafford has regressed since 2011. Lions are gonna do Lions things, having a terrible coach is their MO. Ask yourself this: when was the last time a former Lions coach became an NFL head coach again? Monte Clark, Darryl Rogers, Steve Mariucci, Marty Mornhinwig, Wayne Fontes, etc.
It is the last job you'll get leading an NFL team, even up and comers like Mariucci got burned out and left for dead after the Lions. A lot of it is ownership and team management, but a lot of it is just the black cloud hanging over the franchise. I'd like to think it will change, but I really don't see it.
I don't think the personnel is all that great on defense and Stafford has regressed since 2011. Lions are gonna do Lions things, having a terrible coach is their MO. Ask yourself this: when was the last time a former Lions coach became an NFL head coach again? Monte Clark, Darryl Rogers, Steve Mariucci, Marty Mornhinwig, Wayne Fontes, etc.
It is the last job you'll get leading an NFL team, even up and comers like Mariucci got burned out and left for dead after the Lions. A lot of it is ownership and team management, but a lot of it is just the black cloud hanging over the franchise. I'd like to think it will change, but I really don't see it.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pretty sure Bobby Ross is the only Lions HC under the Ford's who worked as a HC again - and that was at West Point.
Jauron went to BUF but he was interim.
Jauron went to BUF but he was interim.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
More fun next week. DET @ SEA on MNF! This is gonna get even uglier.
But there is a nice Brandon Weeden vs. Luke McCown appetizer on SNF.
But there is a nice Brandon Weeden vs. Luke McCown appetizer on SNF.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes they both suck. Caldwell was supposed to help Stafford improve but he's worse than ever.
While I agree this is a big stat, the whole "record vs winning teams" thing is overblown. There are very few NFL teams that have winning records vs teams with winning records. Usually if you're a good team (or even a bad one), your wins come vs teams without good records.
Look at Indy last year. Great team, went 11-5. They were 4-6 vs teams with winning records. Packers at 12-4 on the season were only 3-3 vs teams with winning records. And these were good division winning teams. If you look at the .500 teams, they usually have brutal records vs winning teams.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes it demonstrates the quality of the wins. The Lions had the same 11-5 record as Indy in 2014 but only 1 win against a team with a winning record.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
There is a difference between around .500 and losing 90 percent of your games against winning teams.Deamon said:
lod01
Footballguy
He pretty much sucks with a big arm. I'm not 100% positive but I think he really has no dedication to preparation, film study, etc.
Yenrub
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
YTD Ebron is TE7 this year. 20 targets, 13-157-2. Had 1 drop last night and dropped the first ball thrown his way this year.
Not projecting a break out just yet but there is no denying the progression from last year.
Not projecting a break out just yet but there is no denying the progression from last year.
thatguythere
Footballguy
Yeah burned and left for dead with 5 million per year for the two years left on his contract. Tough to take.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
FUBAR
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Drops happen, and the occasional one is what it is.
That stupid ####### penalty that wiped out a first down is pretty inexcusable, though.
Weird exchange with Lucas after the blocked PAT. Six down lineman and one backer for the Broncos (they overloaded & broke the rules, not called) -- neither he nor Lucas could slide over, the only had four bodies to account for six. He was all over his case on the sidelines. Guess those kind of frustrations are normal course of the game stuff but he picked a bad time to try to become a vocal leader IMO because it wasn't Lucas' fault (nor Ebron's - ref's blew the call.)
Anyway, hoping the progress continues. I think it was a reach pick but if he evolves into a Vernon Davis in his prime type....well, it's never gonna be worth it, but it will be less painful.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Down by 28 points with 11:00 left in the game, Jim Caldwell elects to kick a FG on 4th & 10 from the 22.
That should just about do it.
That should just about do it.
Blackshirt
Footballguy
Caldwell is the best coach we've had since Fontes. Better than quitter Bobby Ross. Better than Mooch, who apparently forgot everything he ever knew about offense the moment he left the Niners. Better than Marty and his motorcycle. Better than Mannequin Marinelli or out of control Schwartz. Yes, Caldwell is the best Lions coach of the last 20 years...
...and he's STILL absolutely godawful!! How is that even possible??!
...and he's STILL absolutely godawful!! How is that even possible??!
lod01
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Maybe we can orchestrate a trade? You guys interested in Jim Tomsula?
Blackshirt
Footballguy
He reminds me of that guy from "Airplane" who won't put on the runway lights because "that's just what they'll be expecting us to do."...and he punted on the previous possession from the Arizona 39.
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RealReactions
Footballguy
can they just fire him already and let stafford throw 50+ times. Thats when they actually won games
Tornacl
Footballguy
Yes, the Lions' coaches are always terrible. But I think the biggest thing that needs to change is hiring a competent GM. Since the Fords took over the Lions, they've hired 5 GMs (I believe). Of those, the only one that wasn't an "in-house" hire was Millen. They even hired "in-house" to replace Millen, retaining the interim GM that helped create the 0-16 season.
It is hard to be sure, but from what I can tell, not only have they hired from the inside every time, I don't think any of them ever worked for another franchise. So when a guy's only experience is working for one of the worst run organizations in professional sports, how is he supposed to know how to fix things? His only experience is with a complete loser.
The Lions need to find the best assistant GM or retired GM, and actually pay them to run things. Someone who understands how to build a team. They need to be given all they ask for, and a blank check to hire the coaches of their choice.
It is hard to be sure, but from what I can tell, not only have they hired from the inside every time, I don't think any of them ever worked for another franchise. So when a guy's only experience is working for one of the worst run organizations in professional sports, how is he supposed to know how to fix things? His only experience is with a complete loser.
The Lions need to find the best assistant GM or retired GM, and actually pay them to run things. Someone who understands how to build a team. They need to be given all they ask for, and a blank check to hire the coaches of their choice.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The team has given up on him. After he failed to really have their back after last Monday, instead taking the "we're not gonna talk about it" approach, the team seems in the tank now.
Blackshirt
Footballguy
Exactly--we need a Bobby Beathard, a Ron Wolf, a Bill Polian, a guy with proven GM credentials to come in and rebuild this entire operation from top to bottom.
Maybe--and I'm just spitballing here--it's time for the Lions to stop trusting Bill Ford Jr's football instincts and franchise building skills. Just a thought.
Maybe--and I'm just spitballing here--it's time for the Lions to stop trusting Bill Ford Jr's football instincts and franchise building skills. Just a thought.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Why would any qualified GM or coach come to this organization? It's where careers go to die.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Blackshirt
Footballguy
They won't. Not until Ford admits he doesn't know what the heck he's doing and grudgingly takes his clammy hands off the steering wheel.
Card Trader
Footballguy
This is what AZ had to do too, old man Bidwill was terrible but once his son took over things changed quickly
kittenmittens
Footballguy
This is shocking, nobody anticipated that Caldwell would be a dumpster fire of a hire.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I wish they'd trade Calvin before he falls completely off the cliff physically. Class guy and a good soldier. I'd love to see him get a ring.
lod01
Footballguy
You and every Calvin owner. Maybe they will ask him to restructure and he says 'no'. I know I would. Right now he is getting the Barry Sanders treatment. Surrounded and coached by garbage.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Sorry det fans, u deserve better than this
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
My team stinks in the one league where I own Calvin. Fantasy football honestly had nothing to do with the comment.
Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
can cleveland & washington fans cry with yall about awful owners
none of these teams will be relevant until they get someone competent at the very top, period.
none of these teams will be relevant until they get someone competent at the very top, period.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
You can cry equally when the Lions win again. So it might be a while.
More seriously though, we obviously sympathize.
The Captain
Footballguy
Blackshirt
Footballguy
If Bill Ford Jr told me that the sky was blue, I'd stick my head out the window to verify.
And on the off chance that he was actually being truthful and isn't running things behind the scenes, the fact that Mrs. Ford is the one making these decisions doesn't exactly set my mind at ease about the direction of the franchise, given that WCF and Russ Thomas likely taught her all that she knows.
Nice Yzerman pic, though.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
What's the current market for a 30 year old receiver who will make $16M next year and increase to $18M at the age of 34?
thatguythere
Footballguy
How about a backup level QB making 18 million
The Captain
Footballguy
I laughed when I read the article. It's so perfect. A 90 woman who was nowhere to be seen for the past 60 years is suddenly in charge of the Lions. A woman of her means and stature likely spent the past 60 years having tea and biscuits on Sunday's. If it weren't so Lions, I'd be upset.
Today was likely one of the last warm sunny days in Michigan for the foreseeable future...I turned off the game mid 2nd quarter and spent the rest of the day outside. It was liberating. I won't watch another Lions game the rest of this season. Until something changes I won't give this team another moment of my time.
