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Position: Wide ReceiverHeight: 6-2Weight: 202ANALYSISPositives: Has a well-proportioned, muscular frame with tight skin, low body fat, good arm length, tight bubble and nicely developed legs and thighs … Has outstanding quickness in and out of his cuts … Stays active with his hands to escape the jam and is very fluid getting into his routes … Has the ability to easily find the open area and the instincts to know where the pursuit is coming from … Uses his superb acceleration to separate, and while known as a deep threat, he is also effective on underneath routes … Will catch with his hands outside his framework and shows excellent concentration going over the middle … Does a fine job of tracking and locating the ball, using his speed well to stretch the defense … Shows good hip swerve, wiggle and juking moves to make the initial tackler miss … Has the long arms and strength needed to hold up vs. press coverage … Shows great depth in his routes and can sneak up on a defender and separate with his vertical speed … Not shy combating for the ball and will work hard to take the pigskin away from the defender … Has above-average body control to adjust when making over-the-shoulder grabs … Very hard to contain after the catch.Negatives: Drops his hands a bit when breaking patterns … While he maintains eye contact on the ball, his concentration will wander when he is not involved in the play … Will get in the way of defenders, but will not over-exert himself when called upon to block.CAREER NOTESOne of the finest athletes to ever wear a xxxxxx uniform … Consummate team player who is a sensational home-run threat bursting down the sidelines … Emotional leader who can handle hard coaching; he could be the ruler that future pro receivers are measured against
This guy sounded good too.
What's the difference?
This profile is of CHARLES ROGERS...
Does lightning strike twice?
 
Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.
:goodposting: Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.
youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, so have Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson. Rex Grossman led his team to a Super Bowl last year. One Super Bowl appearance hardly equate to greatness or, frankly, goodness. Jake Delhomme may be considered above average, but he's not an elite passer by any stretch, and there's been nothing out of Panthers camp to suggest he's not in a "show me" year that could easily see him replaced by David Carr at some juncture.
what is this, a Jake Delhomme thread?? where did anyone say anything about Delhomme being good or great? Im simply making the point that he's a good enough NFL QB to get a team to the Superbowl without a Baltimore, Tampa Bay or a Lawrence Taylor led Giants D. Those 3 Superbowl teams were led by HOFers or future HOFers. Who from Carolina's team is headed to the hall? Julius Peppers is a long way from Canton. So, I feel you in that Delhomme isnt all-world, nor were those other Qs, but Im not feeling any connection whatsoever to kitna. he's a nice fantasy option this year....this year....that's it. Im not going to be convinced that jon kitna is any better than a journeymen, far less than average NFL QB. his team just chose 2nd overall in the draft, AND that knucklhead just predicted his team would win 10 or 11 games. Not that I dont respect his own inner confidence, but stating that publicly is beyond laughable. But hey, Ive got no crystal ball, so who knows?...maybe Kitna will help make Calvin Johnson a superstar........
 
I'll start by saying I think Johnson will be a good pro, but people are getting carried away with physical stats. Big and fast is obviously a great head start, but he had way too many mediocre/bad games to call him a sure thing.
Congrats on trying to go against the grain. Bottomline...he was the only offensive threat on his team. He was double/triple teamed every game. He had a well-below average talent at QB throwing him the ball. How he put up the numbers he did in that offense is incredible. If he were just a physical specimen, I could see your point. But he has great hands and run great routes on top of it. No stopping CJ.
nice picture of Calvin there in your profile, by the way. Im sure there's no bias to be found here.....
I just spent 20 minutes trying to post a reply (2 efforts), and both times I was ushered to the login area (when I had already logged in). I am done for tonight, you win.*But of course I was able to post this stupid little message.
 
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wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him.

jmho, of course.

but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!
:( Imagine what he would have done in college if his QB wasn't Reggie Ball. He managed some pretty special #s at Ga Tech with one of the worst QBs in ACC history.

 
Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.
:) Let's see...6 foot 4, 240 pounds, runs a 4.35 40, 45 inch vertical jump, catches everything, runs great routes, will be physically dominant against any DB who covers him, has a great work ethic, great character, and plays for one of the great offensive minds and teachers in the game. He was regarded as not only the best prospect in the draft, but the safest.

I'd like to hear even one thing negative about Calvins game.
Look, here's the thing. Im not hating on Johnson as much as Im hating on him playing for the Lions. Im hating on him being chosen 2nd overall, and Im hating on him signing a $64million contract. Im hating on him being the FOURTH WR chosen in the 1st round in 5 years by a miserable franchise with a very limited track record for developing quality players....for whatever reason. Im facing it.....Im being a hater. But I really like Johnson. I dont really want to hate on his 'game' a ton, but here's what is sure to be a very unpopular take.......

First, I think he's a little BIG for a WR. Not that big is nessecarily bad. But Im almost entirely sure that he'll NEVER be quicker than the coverage he sees in the NFL. Every single corner he's lined up against will probably be quicker than him. Obviously there will be exceptions. But quickness in my book is the most important attribute of an NFL receiver.....besides hands, of course. In college, great players can consistently outjump or outreach players. But that's not happening consistently in the NFL. That's how NFL receivers get hurt...by reaching and jumping....and getting HIT. The quickness, the hops and the ball skills of NFL corners are just too good. There's been one player named Moss who's made a consistent NFL living outjumping and outreaching, and Im not even going there with that comparison. Its tough to be world-class, NFL quick on the outside at 240lbs. Take a look at the top 10 WRs in the NFL, and youre gonna be hard pressed to find more than one guy who weighs more than 200lbs. Ive got TO as the one big guy in my top 10....and he's played at about 225 most of his career, and is now listed at less than 220. Coincidence? Who knows, but its a fact. And it's not fair to expect Calvin Johnson to step into the league and be a top 10 guy, but when you sign a $64mil contract, and youre bowed down to like youre the 2nd coming, that's the expectation.

Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE. He dominated just about every little shrimp of a corner he faced. Ive seen so much film on Calvin Johnson, and Im very impressed with his ball skills, his hands and his leaping ability, but the quality of his route running doesnt even enter my mind. Again, he's 240....his route running will NOT ever measure up to that of the elite NFL receivers like Harrison, Holt, Johnson or Smith. And that's nothing to be ashamed of, but when I hear "runs great routes", these players are who I think about....NOT Calvin Johnson. He'll run certain routes very well that he can excel in because of his size, length and speed, and he'll no doubt make alot of plays, but overall he does not "run great routes". He's in the NFL now...everything is relative.

Third, Martz. The guru. The genius. The teacher. The great offensive mind. Ive gotta ask....."Why on Earth is he in Detroit of all places"?? Couldnt anyone else have used such a genius?? We all know about the 'greatest show' blah, blah, blah...... Well, those Rams teams had a HOFer at left tackle in Orlando Pace, a HOFer in the backfield to run and catch in Marshall Faulk, and atleast one HOF WR between Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. There were other valuable players on offense on those 2 Superbowl teams obviously, but my point is that many coaches would be looking like geniuses with that lineup of studs. Marc Bulger had his best NFL season last year with Scott Linehan as his HC. Ill just say this..... Mike Martz better be calling Marshall Faulk and thanking him every day for the rest of his life....for making him look like a 'genius'. Right now, he's in Detroit, and he's just another offensive coordinator that likes to throw the ball alot.

Finally, if he were the 'best' and 'safest' prospect in the draft, why didnt other teams want to move up and get him? or did they? do we know? we won't really know because we dont have cold, hard facts on that matter. Or was it that the Lions are just that shrewd and the asking price was just too great for such a 'rare' and 'safe' player. Apparently noone else was willing to move up that high or at such a cost to have to pay a rookie WR $64million!!....no matter how 'safe' he may have been. There are reasons teams like the Lions have this seemingly never ending run of drafting high in the 1st round, and this is just one small example. And in another year or 2, when they either let Roy Williams walk because they cant affored TWO $10mil WRs or actually do pay him too much money, we'll have another small example. Oh, and what good organization actually listens to what the critics out there have to say?? It doesnt happen. Good organizations know what's right for their teams....and if that means trading down and getting a strong player with a more reasonable contract, that's what they do. Good teams have GMs that know what theyre doing.

Negative. Pessamistic. Idiotic. Unrealistic. Honest. I love Calvin Johnson!

:(

 
Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.
:rolleyes: Let's see...6 foot 4, 240 pounds, runs a 4.35 40, 45 inch vertical jump, catches everything, runs great routes, will be physically dominant against any DB who covers him, has a great work ethic, great character, and plays for one of the great offensive minds and teachers in the game. He was regarded as not only the best prospect in the draft, but the safest.

I'd like to hear even one thing negative about Calvins game.
Look, here's the thing. Im not hating on Johnson as much as Im hating on him playing for the Lions. Im hating on him being chosen 2nd overall, and Im hating on him signing a $64million contract. Im hating on him being the FOURTH WR chosen in the 1st round in 5 years by a miserable franchise with a very limited track record for developing quality players....for whatever reason. Im facing it.....Im being a hater. But I really like Johnson. I dont really want to hate on his 'game' a ton, but here's what is sure to be a very unpopular take.......

First, I think he's a little BIG for a WR. Not that big is nessecarily bad. But Im almost entirely sure that he'll NEVER be quicker than the coverage he sees in the NFL. Every single corner he's lined up against will probably be quicker than him. Obviously there will be exceptions. But quickness in my book is the most important attribute of an NFL receiver.....besides hands, of course. In college, great players can consistently outjump or outreach players. But that's not happening consistently in the NFL. That's how NFL receivers get hurt...by reaching and jumping....and getting HIT. The quickness, the hops and the ball skills of NFL corners are just too good. There's been one player named Moss who's made a consistent NFL living outjumping and outreaching, and Im not even going there with that comparison. Its tough to be world-class, NFL quick on the outside at 240lbs. Take a look at the top 10 WRs in the NFL, and youre gonna be hard pressed to find more than one guy who weighs more than 200lbs. Ive got TO as the one big guy in my top 10....and he's played at about 225 most of his career, and is now listed at less than 220. Coincidence? Who knows, but its a fact. And it's not fair to expect Calvin Johnson to step into the league and be a top 10 guy, but when you sign a $64mil contract, and youre bowed down to like youre the 2nd coming, that's the expectation.

Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE. He dominated just about every little shrimp of a corner he faced. Ive seen so much film on Calvin Johnson, and Im very impressed with his ball skills, his hands and his leaping ability, but the quality of his route running doesnt even enter my mind. Again, he's 240....his route running will NOT ever measure up to that of the elite NFL receivers like Harrison, Holt, Johnson or Smith. And that's nothing to be ashamed of, but when I hear "runs great routes", these players are who I think about....NOT Calvin Johnson. He'll run certain routes very well that he can excel in because of his size, length and speed, and he'll no doubt make alot of plays, but overall he does not "run great routes". He's in the NFL now...everything is relative.

Third, Martz. The guru. The genius. The teacher. The great offensive mind. Ive gotta ask....."Why on Earth is he in Detroit of all places"?? Couldnt anyone else have used such a genius?? We all know about the 'greatest show' blah, blah, blah...... Well, those Rams teams had a HOFer at left tackle in Orlando Pace, a HOFer in the backfield to run and catch in Marshall Faulk, and atleast one HOF WR between Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. There were other valuable players on offense on those 2 Superbowl teams obviously, but my point is that many coaches would be looking like geniuses with that lineup of studs. Marc Bulger had his best NFL season last year with Scott Linehan as his HC. Ill just say this..... Mike Martz better be calling Marshall Faulk and thanking him every day for the rest of his life....for making him look like a 'genius'. Right now, he's in Detroit, and he's just another offensive coordinator that likes to throw the ball alot.

Finally, if he were the 'best' and 'safest' prospect in the draft, why didnt other teams want to move up and get him? or did they? do we know? we won't really know because we dont have cold, hard facts on that matter. Or was it that the Lions are just that shrewd and the asking price was just too great for such a 'rare' and 'safe' player. Apparently noone else was willing to move up that high or at such a cost to have to pay a rookie WR $64million!!....no matter how 'safe' he may have been. There are reasons teams like the Lions have this seemingly never ending run of drafting high in the 1st round, and this is just one small example. And in another year or 2, when they either let Roy Williams walk because they cant affored TWO $10mil WRs or actually do pay him too much money, we'll have another small example. Oh, and what good organization actually listens to what the critics out there have to say?? It doesnt happen. Good organizations know what's right for their teams....and if that means trading down and getting a strong player with a more reasonable contract, that's what they do. Good teams have GMs that know what theyre doing.

Negative. Pessamistic. Idiotic. Unrealistic. Honest. I love Calvin Johnson!

:coffee:
That's a good post, but I don't necessarily agree with all of it. I do think it's beyond foolish for people to automatically chalk him up for great numbers right out of the box, and for staff members to defend Johnson's honor like he's his woman with poor/non-existent arguments is flat out silly and IMO insulting to the rest of the staff members here.Does he run good routes? I didn't watch Ga Tech with him there. While I know they don't tell the entire story, I've seen highlights of him and it seems for a guy as fast and as strong as he is he certainly doesn't get much separation from lesser DBs. Why is that? I'd curious about that. Please don't blame it all on his poor QB, that's just lazy.

Johnson was probably the right pick for the Lions there. You cannot relive poor drafts prior to the current year and allow them to dictate current ones. Johnson is his own person and is in no way related Charles Rogers. That sort of thinking is the same craziness as I see when people struggle to compare players from the same program, just becuase they are from the same program. Johnson's measurables are great and if he really has the attitude as reported, you can't pass that up. How can you?

I do think the GSOT was a unique thing and unless they get some quality linemen (don't even bother talking about the retread from Denver) they won't be able to achieve close to what the Rams had. Right now their line is terrible.

You also can't ask why other teams didn't move up to get him, maybe in a few years a story will come out how Millen turned down a monster offer for that pick, but believe in Johnson so much that he turned it down. Wasn't there already a rumor that Denver offered the moon and stars for that pick? Who knows if that was true or not. My point is that we as fans have no idea what teams tried to do to get whatever pick, so we can't conclude no one moved up becuase it takes two teams to agree to a trade.

 
Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.
:rolleyes: Let's see...6 foot 4, 240 pounds, runs a 4.35 40, 45 inch vertical jump, catches everything, runs great routes, will be physically dominant against any DB who covers him, has a great work ethic, great character, and plays for one of the great offensive minds and teachers in the game. He was regarded as not only the best prospect in the draft, but the safest.

I'd like to hear even one thing negative about Calvins game.
Look, here's the thing. Im not hating on Johnson as much as Im hating on him playing for the Lions. Im hating on him being chosen 2nd overall, and Im hating on him signing a $64million contract. Im hating on him being the FOURTH WR chosen in the 1st round in 5 years by a miserable franchise with a very limited track record for developing quality players....for whatever reason. Im facing it.....Im being a hater. But I really like Johnson. I dont really want to hate on his 'game' a ton, but here's what is sure to be a very unpopular take.......

First, I think he's a little BIG for a WR. Not that big is nessecarily bad. But Im almost entirely sure that he'll NEVER be quicker than the coverage he sees in the NFL. Every single corner he's lined up against will probably be quicker than him. Obviously there will be exceptions. But quickness in my book is the most important attribute of an NFL receiver.....besides hands, of course. In college, great players can consistently outjump or outreach players. But that's not happening consistently in the NFL. That's how NFL receivers get hurt...by reaching and jumping....and getting HIT. The quickness, the hops and the ball skills of NFL corners are just too good. There's been one player named Moss who's made a consistent NFL living outjumping and outreaching, and Im not even going there with that comparison. Its tough to be world-class, NFL quick on the outside at 240lbs. Take a look at the top 10 WRs in the NFL, and youre gonna be hard pressed to find more than one guy who weighs more than 200lbs. Ive got TO as the one big guy in my top 10....and he's played at about 225 most of his career, and is now listed at less than 220. Coincidence? Who knows, but its a fact. And it's not fair to expect Calvin Johnson to step into the league and be a top 10 guy, but when you sign a $64mil contract, and youre bowed down to like youre the 2nd coming, that's the expectation.

Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE. He dominated just about every little shrimp of a corner he faced. Ive seen so much film on Calvin Johnson, and Im very impressed with his ball skills, his hands and his leaping ability, but the quality of his route running doesnt even enter my mind. Again, he's 240....his route running will NOT ever measure up to that of the elite NFL receivers like Harrison, Holt, Johnson or Smith. And that's nothing to be ashamed of, but when I hear "runs great routes", these players are who I think about....NOT Calvin Johnson. He'll run certain routes very well that he can excel in because of his size, length and speed, and he'll no doubt make alot of plays, but overall he does not "run great routes". He's in the NFL now...everything is relative.

Third, Martz. The guru. The genius. The teacher. The great offensive mind. Ive gotta ask....."Why on Earth is he in Detroit of all places"?? Couldnt anyone else have used such a genius?? We all know about the 'greatest show' blah, blah, blah...... Well, those Rams teams had a HOFer at left tackle in Orlando Pace, a HOFer in the backfield to run and catch in Marshall Faulk, and atleast one HOF WR between Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. There were other valuable players on offense on those 2 Superbowl teams obviously, but my point is that many coaches would be looking like geniuses with that lineup of studs. Marc Bulger had his best NFL season last year with Scott Linehan as his HC. Ill just say this..... Mike Martz better be calling Marshall Faulk and thanking him every day for the rest of his life....for making him look like a 'genius'. Right now, he's in Detroit, and he's just another offensive coordinator that likes to throw the ball alot.

Finally, if he were the 'best' and 'safest' prospect in the draft, why didnt other teams want to move up and get him? or did they? do we know? we won't really know because we dont have cold, hard facts on that matter. Or was it that the Lions are just that shrewd and the asking price was just too great for such a 'rare' and 'safe' player. Apparently noone else was willing to move up that high or at such a cost to have to pay a rookie WR $64million!!....no matter how 'safe' he may have been. There are reasons teams like the Lions have this seemingly never ending run of drafting high in the 1st round, and this is just one small example. And in another year or 2, when they either let Roy Williams walk because they cant affored TWO $10mil WRs or actually do pay him too much money, we'll have another small example. Oh, and what good organization actually listens to what the critics out there have to say?? It doesnt happen. Good organizations know what's right for their teams....and if that means trading down and getting a strong player with a more reasonable contract, that's what they do. Good teams have GMs that know what theyre doing.

Negative. Pessamistic. Idiotic. Unrealistic. Honest. I love Calvin Johnson!

:coffee:
That's a good post, but I don't necessarily agree with all of it. I do think it's beyond foolish for people to automatically chalk him up for great numbers right out of the box, and for staff members to defend Johnson's honor like he's his woman with poor/non-existent arguments is flat out silly and IMO insulting to the rest of the staff members here.Does he run good routes? I didn't watch Ga Tech with him there. While I know they don't tell the entire story, I've seen highlights of him and it seems for a guy as fast and as strong as he is he certainly doesn't get much separation from lesser DBs. Why is that? I'd curious about that. Please don't blame it all on his poor QB, that's just lazy.

Johnson was probably the right pick for the Lions there. You cannot relive poor drafts prior to the current year and allow them to dictate current ones. Johnson is his own person and is in no way related Charles Rogers. That sort of thinking is the same craziness as I see when people struggle to compare players from the same program, just becuase they are from the same program. Johnson's measurables are great and if he really has the attitude as reported, you can't pass that up. How can you?

I do think the GSOT was a unique thing and unless they get some quality linemen (don't even bother talking about the retread from Denver) they won't be able to achieve close to what the Rams had. Right now their line is terrible.

You also can't ask why other teams didn't move up to get him, maybe in a few years a story will come out how Millen turned down a monster offer for that pick, but believe in Johnson so much that he turned it down. Wasn't there already a rumor that Denver offered the moon and stars for that pick? Who knows if that was true or not. My point is that we as fans have no idea what teams tried to do to get whatever pick, so we can't conclude no one moved up becuase it takes two teams to agree to a trade.
Good post. It's pretty ludicrous that people actually think Johnson has no weakness entering the league. Ludicrous enough that I really don't see an point to even debating with them.
 
Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.
:rolleyes: Let's see...6 foot 4, 240 pounds, runs a 4.35 40, 45 inch vertical jump, catches everything, runs great routes, will be physically dominant against any DB who covers him, has a great work ethic, great character, and plays for one of the great offensive minds and teachers in the game. He was regarded as not only the best prospect in the draft, but the safest.

I'd like to hear even one thing negative about Calvins game.
Look, here's the thing. Im not hating on Johnson as much as Im hating on him playing for the Lions. Im hating on him being chosen 2nd overall, and Im hating on him signing a $64million contract. Im hating on him being the FOURTH WR chosen in the 1st round in 5 years by a miserable franchise with a very limited track record for developing quality players....for whatever reason. Im facing it.....Im being a hater. But I really like Johnson. I dont really want to hate on his 'game' a ton, but here's what is sure to be a very unpopular take.......

First, I think he's a little BIG for a WR. Not that big is nessecarily bad. But Im almost entirely sure that he'll NEVER be quicker than the coverage he sees in the NFL. Every single corner he's lined up against will probably be quicker than him. Obviously there will be exceptions. But quickness in my book is the most important attribute of an NFL receiver.....besides hands, of course. In college, great players can consistently outjump or outreach players. But that's not happening consistently in the NFL. That's how NFL receivers get hurt...by reaching and jumping....and getting HIT. The quickness, the hops and the ball skills of NFL corners are just too good. There's been one player named Moss who's made a consistent NFL living outjumping and outreaching, and Im not even going there with that comparison. Its tough to be world-class, NFL quick on the outside at 240lbs. Take a look at the top 10 WRs in the NFL, and youre gonna be hard pressed to find more than one guy who weighs more than 200lbs. Ive got TO as the one big guy in my top 10....and he's played at about 225 most of his career, and is now listed at less than 220. Coincidence? Who knows, but its a fact. And it's not fair to expect Calvin Johnson to step into the league and be a top 10 guy, but when you sign a $64mil contract, and youre bowed down to like youre the 2nd coming, that's the expectation.

Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE. He dominated just about every little shrimp of a corner he faced. Ive seen so much film on Calvin Johnson, and Im very impressed with his ball skills, his hands and his leaping ability, but the quality of his route running doesnt even enter my mind. Again, he's 240....his route running will NOT ever measure up to that of the elite NFL receivers like Harrison, Holt, Johnson or Smith. And that's nothing to be ashamed of, but when I hear "runs great routes", these players are who I think about....NOT Calvin Johnson. He'll run certain routes very well that he can excel in because of his size, length and speed, and he'll no doubt make alot of plays, but overall he does not "run great routes". He's in the NFL now...everything is relative.

Third, Martz. The guru. The genius. The teacher. The great offensive mind. Ive gotta ask....."Why on Earth is he in Detroit of all places"?? Couldnt anyone else have used such a genius?? We all know about the 'greatest show' blah, blah, blah...... Well, those Rams teams had a HOFer at left tackle in Orlando Pace, a HOFer in the backfield to run and catch in Marshall Faulk, and atleast one HOF WR between Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. There were other valuable players on offense on those 2 Superbowl teams obviously, but my point is that many coaches would be looking like geniuses with that lineup of studs. Marc Bulger had his best NFL season last year with Scott Linehan as his HC. Ill just say this..... Mike Martz better be calling Marshall Faulk and thanking him every day for the rest of his life....for making him look like a 'genius'. Right now, he's in Detroit, and he's just another offensive coordinator that likes to throw the ball alot.

Finally, if he were the 'best' and 'safest' prospect in the draft, why didnt other teams want to move up and get him? or did they? do we know? we won't really know because we dont have cold, hard facts on that matter. Or was it that the Lions are just that shrewd and the asking price was just too great for such a 'rare' and 'safe' player. Apparently noone else was willing to move up that high or at such a cost to have to pay a rookie WR $64million!!....no matter how 'safe' he may have been. There are reasons teams like the Lions have this seemingly never ending run of drafting high in the 1st round, and this is just one small example. And in another year or 2, when they either let Roy Williams walk because they cant affored TWO $10mil WRs or actually do pay him too much money, we'll have another small example. Oh, and what good organization actually listens to what the critics out there have to say?? It doesnt happen. Good organizations know what's right for their teams....and if that means trading down and getting a strong player with a more reasonable contract, that's what they do. Good teams have GMs that know what theyre doing.

Negative. Pessamistic. Idiotic. Unrealistic. Honest. I love Calvin Johnson!

:coffee:
That's a good post, but I don't necessarily agree with all of it. I do think it's beyond foolish for people to automatically chalk him up for great numbers right out of the box, and for staff members to defend Johnson's honor like he's his woman with poor/non-existent arguments is flat out silly and IMO insulting to the rest of the staff members here.Does he run good routes? I didn't watch Ga Tech with him there. While I know they don't tell the entire story, I've seen highlights of him and it seems for a guy as fast and as strong as he is he certainly doesn't get much separation from lesser DBs. Why is that? I'd curious about that. Please don't blame it all on his poor QB, that's just lazy.

Johnson was probably the right pick for the Lions there. You cannot relive poor drafts prior to the current year and allow them to dictate current ones. Johnson is his own person and is in no way related Charles Rogers. That sort of thinking is the same craziness as I see when people struggle to compare players from the same program, just becuase they are from the same program. Johnson's measurables are great and if he really has the attitude as reported, you can't pass that up. How can you?

I do think the GSOT was a unique thing and unless they get some quality linemen (don't even bother talking about the retread from Denver) they won't be able to achieve close to what the Rams had. Right now their line is terrible.

You also can't ask why other teams didn't move up to get him, maybe in a few years a story will come out how Millen turned down a monster offer for that pick, but believe in Johnson so much that he turned it down. Wasn't there already a rumor that Denver offered the moon and stars for that pick? Who knows if that was true or not. My point is that we as fans have no idea what teams tried to do to get whatever pick, so we can't conclude no one moved up becuase it takes two teams to agree to a trade.
Good post. It's pretty ludicrous that people actually think Johnson has no weakness entering the league. Ludicrous enough that I really don't see an point to even debating with them.
Then do tell what weakness he has in his game not counting experience.
 
So does this make Calvin the highest paid WR in the league? These top 10 rookie contracts are ridiculous, no wonder why nobody trades up much anymore. Laron Landry, Adrian Peterson and Calvin Johnson all the highest paid players at their position? Prove somethin boy! LJ could sign a new deal tomorrow to trump Peterson's, but then next year the top RB, McFadden or whoever will get a deal that trump's LJ's. Craziness.

 
So does this make Calvin the highest paid WR in the league? These top 10 rookie contracts are ridiculous, no wonder why nobody trades up much anymore. Laron Landry, Adrian Peterson and Calvin Johnson all the highest paid players at their position? Prove somethin boy! LJ could sign a new deal tomorrow to trump Peterson's, but then next year the top RB, McFadden or whoever will get a deal that trump's LJ's. Craziness.
It really is crazy. I guess it pays to be young?
 
Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE.
:coffee: Have you ever heard of scouting? These players go through tons of workouts, the scouts watch all kinds of film, I'm sure they can see if a player runs good routes BEFORE he plays in the NFL. If that wasn't true, then there would not be a need to scout anyone.

 
So does this make Calvin the highest paid WR in the league? These top 10 rookie contracts are ridiculous, no wonder why nobody trades up much anymore. Laron Landry, Adrian Peterson and Calvin Johnson all the highest paid players at their position? Prove somethin boy! LJ could sign a new deal tomorrow to trump Peterson's, but then next year the top RB, McFadden or whoever will get a deal that trump's LJ's. Craziness.
It really is crazy. I guess it pays to be young?
I don't have statistics, and it would be neat if someone would try to dig them up - but I doubt these huge rookie contracts after a year or two look as bad as they do right now. The cap goes up, good FAs always hit the market and the guy with the biggest contract always changes names.Do they get paid too much? Yeah, probably. :coffee: I don't think it's that bad though.
 
Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE.
:coffee: Have you ever heard of scouting? These players go through tons of workouts, the scouts watch all kinds of film, I'm sure they can see if a player runs good routes BEFORE he plays in the NFL. If that wasn't true, then there would not be a need to scout anyone.
:rolleyes: No, he has no weakness at all. From the very scouts you just credited:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/johnson_calvin

Negatives: Has good overall body control, but sometimes does not play up to his timed speed … Even though he has good leaping ability, his timing is sometimes off, as he doesn't win as many jump-ball battles as you would expect from a player of his size and arm extension … Demonstrates good toughness battling for the ball, but he has also left quite a few passes on the field, perhaps due to poor passing precision from the quarterback position, but he has caught only 127 of 271 passes thrown to him … For a player over 6-foot-4 and with his jumping skills (45 inches) along with his long reach, it is hard to imagine the smaller cornerbacks having success in batting away 21 of those passes thrown to him the last two-plus years … Better down field than on deep routes, as he tends to lose sight of the ball over his head … Has some hip stiffness when trying to change direction and this will sometimes prevent him from making sharp cuts (takes wasted steps) … Needs to show better hip sink on his cuts … Tends to lose concentration working in a crowd, leading to several missed opportunities (hears defender's footsteps) … Gets his feet down properly when working along the sideline, but must be more alert to the quarterback scrambl … Despite his strength, he will struggle and get frustrated by a physical jam.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&a...amp;nid=2545922
Neg:

Lacks the quick release off the snap. Long loping runner with built-up speed. Weighed 239-pounds at the combine, about 20-pounds more than scouts wanted.
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Elusiveness with Catch

Route-Running Skills
 
well the facts are, despite what we, as football and fantasy football fans think about Calvin and his prospects, EVERY single scout, coach, and knowledgeable NFL employee has said he is one of, if not THE best WR prospects to EVER enter the league. Think about that for a minute. So yeah, I think its okay to get excited about him, and assume he could have a Randy Moss, Boldin, Colston type of impact.

 
well the facts are, despite what we, as football and fantasy football fans think about Calvin and his prospects, EVERY single scout, coach, and knowledgeable NFL employee has said he is one of, if not THE best WR prospects to EVER enter the league. Think about that for a minute. So yeah, I think its okay to get excited about him, and assume he could have a Randy Moss, Boldin, Colston type of impact.
:goodposting:
 
Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE.
:goodposting: Have you ever heard of scouting? These players go through tons of workouts, the scouts watch all kinds of film, I'm sure they can see if a player runs good routes BEFORE he plays in the NFL. If that wasn't true, then there would not be a need to scout anyone.
:unsure: No, he has no weakness at all. From the very scouts you just credited:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/johnson_calvin

Negatives: Has good overall body control, but sometimes does not play up to his timed speed … Even though he has good leaping ability, his timing is sometimes off, as he doesn't win as many jump-ball battles as you would expect from a player of his size and arm extension … Demonstrates good toughness battling for the ball, but he has also left quite a few passes on the field, perhaps due to poor passing precision from the quarterback position, but he has caught only 127 of 271 passes thrown to him … For a player over 6-foot-4 and with his jumping skills (45 inches) along with his long reach, it is hard to imagine the smaller cornerbacks having success in batting away 21 of those passes thrown to him the last two-plus years … Better down field than on deep routes, as he tends to lose sight of the ball over his head … Has some hip stiffness when trying to change direction and this will sometimes prevent him from making sharp cuts (takes wasted steps) … Needs to show better hip sink on his cuts … Tends to lose concentration working in a crowd, leading to several missed opportunities (hears defender's footsteps) … Gets his feet down properly when working along the sideline, but must be more alert to the quarterback scrambl … Despite his strength, he will struggle and get frustrated by a physical jam.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&a...amp;nid=2545922
Neg:

Lacks the quick release off the snap. Long loping runner with built-up speed. Weighed 239-pounds at the combine, about 20-pounds more than scouts wanted.
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Elusiveness with Catch

Route-Running Skills
I wonder how a player with so many weaknesses was selected 2nd overall, and was considered the best player in the draft by a lot of people.
 
well the facts are, despite what we, as football and fantasy football fans think about Calvin and his prospects, EVERY single scout, coach, and knowledgeable NFL employee has said he is one of, if not THE best WR prospects to EVER enter the league. Think about that for a minute. So yeah, I think its okay to get excited about him, and assume he could have a Randy Moss, Boldin, Colston type of impact.
Like I said, I really dont want to hate on Johnson too much, and suggest that he's not a good player. He appears to be a very good, NFL ready player. I AM suggesting its virtual team suicide to committ $64mil to a WR in the 2 hole. Of those 3 players above that you mentioned, Randy Moss was the highest drafted and highest paid of that group, and he was taken in the mid-20s if my mind serves me correctly. AND, he went to a team with Cris Carter, an established All-Pro, HOFer, and leader on the other side. Moss had a chip on his shoulder because of his dissapointing draft position and played like it. Boldin was taken in the 2nd round I believe, so he didnt break the bank of the Cardinals either. And while he may have made a statistical impact in fantasy football that year with 100catches and over 1300yds, that team still finished 4-12 in 2003 and were DEAD LAST in both scoring offense AND defense. So, his actual impact on that team was minimal when it came to wins, losses and helping that team defend. Colston was a friggin' 7th round pick that NO expert....same experts Im sure that are over-hyping Calvin Johnson.....saw making an impact. And he played on a dynamic offense with a All-Pro QB who was 2nd in MVP voting, AND Reggie Bush in the backfield. Teams were a little worried about Bush, Id venture to guess. So, considering the 'value' teams got from those 3 players you mentioned relative to their draft position, and the highly questionable track record of so-called 'experts' year in and year out, Im again pointing to the logic of choosing another WR at the top of the 1st round and immediately making him the highest paid player on the team. Will he catch 100 balls and gain over 1300yds like Boldin?......its very possible considering the D will probably give up alot of points and Martz is pass-happy anyway. Will those stats translate to more than 4 wins like Boldin's 'impact' made?......we'll know in about 5 months.

But for the record, if I were a Lions fan I would be excited. Im not suggesting NOT to. Johnson is a tremendous player, and he should be fun to watch. But as a football fan, it pains me to see many of the same teams drafting in the high 1st round every year and making the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over again.....

 
Good post. It's pretty ludicrous that people actually think Johnson has no weakness entering the league. Ludicrous enough that I really don't see an point to even debating with them.
I agree 100%, although it's easy when people say silly/crazy things to get pulled in as I'm sure you can attest. :goodposting:
 
Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.
:goodposting: Let's see...6 foot 4, 240 pounds, runs a 4.35 40, 45 inch vertical jump, catches everything, runs great routes, will be physically dominant against any DB who covers him, has a great work ethic, great character, and plays for one of the great offensive minds and teachers in the game. He was regarded as not only the best prospect in the draft, but the safest.

I'd like to hear even one thing negative about Calvins game.
No, apparently you don't.
Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE.
:D Have you ever heard of scouting? These players go through tons of workouts, the scouts watch all kinds of film, I'm sure they can see if a player runs good routes BEFORE he plays in the NFL. If that wasn't true, then there would not be a need to scout anyone.
:rolleyes: No, he has no weakness at all. From the very scouts you just credited:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/johnson_calvin

Negatives: Has good overall body control, but sometimes does not play up to his timed speed … Even though he has good leaping ability, his timing is sometimes off, as he doesn't win as many jump-ball battles as you would expect from a player of his size and arm extension … Demonstrates good toughness battling for the ball, but he has also left quite a few passes on the field, perhaps due to poor passing precision from the quarterback position, but he has caught only 127 of 271 passes thrown to him … For a player over 6-foot-4 and with his jumping skills (45 inches) along with his long reach, it is hard to imagine the smaller cornerbacks having success in batting away 21 of those passes thrown to him the last two-plus years … Better down field than on deep routes, as he tends to lose sight of the ball over his head … Has some hip stiffness when trying to change direction and this will sometimes prevent him from making sharp cuts (takes wasted steps) … Needs to show better hip sink on his cuts … Tends to lose concentration working in a crowd, leading to several missed opportunities (hears defender's footsteps) … Gets his feet down properly when working along the sideline, but must be more alert to the quarterback scrambl … Despite his strength, he will struggle and get frustrated by a physical jam.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&a...amp;nid=2545922
Neg:

Lacks the quick release off the snap. Long loping runner with built-up speed. Weighed 239-pounds at the combine, about 20-pounds more than scouts wanted.
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Elusiveness with Catch

Route-Running Skills
I wonder how a player with so many weaknesses was selected 2nd overall, and was considered the best player in the draft by a lot of people.
That wasn't the point. The point was, you sight scouts to counter other posters points and opinions that differ from yours. We then apply those same scouts to show that there are weakness' and concerns with Johnson's game at the next level. Weakness' that you somehow totally missed even though you read the opinions of "scouts." Oh, and you ASKED to hear about his weakness'. This is your only counter? Wow.You're right, phthalatemagic. I should have just listened to my own advice at the onset. It's kind of hard when someone misleads with such a cavalier attitude though.

 
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Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.
:moneybag: Let's see...6 foot 4, 240 pounds, runs a 4.35 40, 45 inch vertical jump, catches everything, runs great routes, will be physically dominant against any DB who covers him, has a great work ethic, great character, and plays for one of the great offensive minds and teachers in the game. He was regarded as not only the best prospect in the draft, but the safest.

I'd like to hear even one thing negative about Calvins game.
No, apparently you don't.
Second....."Runs great routes"? Does he? Has he ever run a route in the NFL? So then, how do we know what kind of NFL routes he'll run? I hear that all the time about players coming out that dominated in college....."he runs great routes". It was COLLEGE.
:rolleyes: Have you ever heard of scouting? These players go through tons of workouts, the scouts watch all kinds of film, I'm sure they can see if a player runs good routes BEFORE he plays in the NFL. If that wasn't true, then there would not be a need to scout anyone.
:rolleyes: No, he has no weakness at all. From the very scouts you just credited:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/johnson_calvin

Negatives: Has good overall body control, but sometimes does not play up to his timed speed … Even though he has good leaping ability, his timing is sometimes off, as he doesn't win as many jump-ball battles as you would expect from a player of his size and arm extension … Demonstrates good toughness battling for the ball, but he has also left quite a few passes on the field, perhaps due to poor passing precision from the quarterback position, but he has caught only 127 of 271 passes thrown to him … For a player over 6-foot-4 and with his jumping skills (45 inches) along with his long reach, it is hard to imagine the smaller cornerbacks having success in batting away 21 of those passes thrown to him the last two-plus years … Better down field than on deep routes, as he tends to lose sight of the ball over his head … Has some hip stiffness when trying to change direction and this will sometimes prevent him from making sharp cuts (takes wasted steps) … Needs to show better hip sink on his cuts … Tends to lose concentration working in a crowd, leading to several missed opportunities (hears defender's footsteps) … Gets his feet down properly when working along the sideline, but must be more alert to the quarterback scrambl … Despite his strength, he will struggle and get frustrated by a physical jam.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&a...amp;nid=2545922
Neg:

Lacks the quick release off the snap. Long loping runner with built-up speed. Weighed 239-pounds at the combine, about 20-pounds more than scouts wanted.
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Elusiveness with Catch

Route-Running Skills
I wonder how a player with so many weaknesses was selected 2nd overall, and was considered the best player in the draft by a lot of people.
That wasn't the point. The point was, you sight scouts to counter other posters points and opinions that differ from yours. We then apply those same scouts to show that there are weakness' and concerns with Johnson's game at the next level. Weakness' that you somehow totally missed even though you read the opinions of "scouts." Oh, and you ASKED to hear about his weakness'. This is your only counter? Wow.You're right, phthalatemagic. I should have just listened to my own advice at the onset. It's kind of hard when someone misleads with such a cavalier attitude though.
There is a huge difference between weaknesses, and concerns about what he can do at this level. Every player who ever played has a weakness. But there is a difference between that and what people think a player can or will do at the next level. Of course he has to prove it; all players do. Most believe Calvin will be a great player, and I agree with them.
 
I don't think anyone would disagree that Calvin will be a good player. I by no means think he will not and I think if you look at some of my other posts regarding him (projections and what not) you'll see that to be true. I agree with the negatives in his scouting report however (actually I think I sighted them last year). He is big, so therefor he provides a bigger target for CBs in jams. He is not likely to have the foot speed of these NFL CBs, so he will have to work on becoming more physical ala TO to beat press coverage regularly IMO. I also remember noting as I watched Calvin last year that he didn't seem to have the separation speed that his 40 time would suggest. Most of all, I just never thought he timed his jumps as well as he should. Sure, he has great leaping ability and a huge frame. I just never felt he used them the is full advantage like a Randy Moss. The negatives are there. People don't spend a lot of time talking about them with Calvin for whatever reason. Maybe they just think he will overcome them or they are not large enough to worry about. Irregardless, it seems as though far too many just totally ignore or don't realize they are there.

 
Position: Wide ReceiverHeight: 6-2Weight: 202ANALYSISPositives: Has a well-proportioned, muscular frame with tight skin, low body fat, good arm length, tight bubble and nicely developed legs and thighs … Has outstanding quickness in and out of his cuts … Stays active with his hands to escape the jam and is very fluid getting into his routes … Has the ability to easily find the open area and the instincts to know where the pursuit is coming from … Uses his superb acceleration to separate, and while known as a deep threat, he is also effective on underneath routes … Will catch with his hands outside his framework and shows excellent concentration going over the middle … Does a fine job of tracking and locating the ball, using his speed well to stretch the defense … Shows good hip swerve, wiggle and juking moves to make the initial tackler miss … Has the long arms and strength needed to hold up vs. press coverage … Shows great depth in his routes and can sneak up on a defender and separate with his vertical speed … Not shy combating for the ball and will work hard to take the pigskin away from the defender … Has above-average body control to adjust when making over-the-shoulder grabs … Very hard to contain after the catch.Negatives: Drops his hands a bit when breaking patterns … While he maintains eye contact on the ball, his concentration will wander when he is not involved in the play … Will get in the way of defenders, but will not over-exert himself when called upon to block.CAREER NOTESOne of the finest athletes to ever wear a xxxxxx uniform … Consummate team player who is a sensational home-run threat bursting down the sidelines … Emotional leader who can handle hard coaching; he could be the ruler that future pro receivers are measured against
This guy sounded good too.
What's the difference?
180 degree difference in attitude, 3 inches in height, about 37 pounds, better hands, a little more speed, 7 inches of vertical leap, 7 or 8 inches better broad jump, lack of a drug problem, and heart.Other than that, not much.
 
Position: Wide ReceiverHeight: 6-2Weight: 202ANALYSISPositives: Has a well-proportioned, muscular frame with tight skin, low body fat, good arm length, tight bubble and nicely developed legs and thighs … Has outstanding quickness in and out of his cuts … Stays active with his hands to escape the jam and is very fluid getting into his routes … Has the ability to easily find the open area and the instincts to know where the pursuit is coming from … Uses his superb acceleration to separate, and while known as a deep threat, he is also effective on underneath routes … Will catch with his hands outside his framework and shows excellent concentration going over the middle … Does a fine job of tracking and locating the ball, using his speed well to stretch the defense … Shows good hip swerve, wiggle and juking moves to make the initial tackler miss … Has the long arms and strength needed to hold up vs. press coverage … Shows great depth in his routes and can sneak up on a defender and separate with his vertical speed … Not shy combating for the ball and will work hard to take the pigskin away from the defender … Has above-average body control to adjust when making over-the-shoulder grabs … Very hard to contain after the catch.Negatives: Drops his hands a bit when breaking patterns … While he maintains eye contact on the ball, his concentration will wander when he is not involved in the play … Will get in the way of defenders, but will not over-exert himself when called upon to block.CAREER NOTESOne of the finest athletes to ever wear a xxxxxx uniform … Consummate team player who is a sensational home-run threat bursting down the sidelines … Emotional leader who can handle hard coaching; he could be the ruler that future pro receivers are measured against
This guy sounded good too.
What's the difference?
180 degree difference in attitude, 3 inches in height, about 37 pounds, better hands, a little more speed, 7 inches of vertical leap, 7 or 8 inches better broad jump, lack of a drug problem, and heart.Other than that, not much.
:moneybag: The big difference is Rogers had a lot of red flags, and I really don't see any with Calvin.
 
That "has some hip stiffness" is a huge concern in my opinion. Speed means nothing if you can't change direction fluidly and quickly.

 
That "has some hip stiffness" is a huge concern in my opinion. Speed means nothing if you can't change direction fluidly and quickly.
It's really inevitable to have hip stiffness when you are as big as him. Not only is he 6'4", but he is 230+ lbs.
 
wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him. jmho, of course. but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!
Every sane person on planet Earth (including scouts, gms, and media) Said the Lions made the right pick at #2.Secondly, the money paid is within the slot for the #2 pick in the draft. The system is the system. Your gripe is with the slot system, not the Lions.Thirdly, if the Lions hadn't been at #2, each of the 29 other teams that had the pick would have picked CJ there--and paid him what the Lions paid him.Class is dismissed. Now run along.
I bet if Oakland knew a few months ago that they were gonna have this much trouble with Russell, they would have picked CJ with the #1 pick.
 

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