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kyoun1e said:
He hs great potential and ability, but that doesn't change the fact that he has performed way below expectations this season. I own CJ and was delighted to have him as my second round draft pick in August, but blind loyalty that makes you keep plugging a sub-par player into your starting lineup will wreck your fantasy season.
No blind loyalty for me. Prior to Week 14, Calvin had been producing like a WR1. Check out the Week 14 Who's Hot in PPR Leagues info on this site. Again, now there is concern with Culpepper so if you have strong alternatives then yes I'd consider sitting Megatron. But no way am I going to sit him for WR3s or decent WR2s. But that's me.kyoun1e said:He hs great potential and ability, but that doesn't change the fact that he has performed way below expectations this season. I own CJ and was delighted to have him as my second round draft pick in August, but blind loyalty that makes you keep plugging a sub-par player into your starting lineup will wreck your fantasy season.
You mean the few games right before week 14, or the entire 12 games the Lions played prior to week14?No blind loyalty for me. Prior to Week 14, Calvin had been producing like a WR1. Check out the Week 14 Who's Hot in PPR Leagues info on this site. Again, now there is concern with Culpepper so if you have strong alternatives then yes I'd consider sitting Megatron. But no way am I going to sit him for WR3s or decent WR2s. But that's me.kyoun1e said:
I hear what you are saying about options - everything is relative when it comes to lineup choices. For me, I'm wrestling with whether or not to start CJ over Meachem, and I never thought I would be making a statement like that.
In the same boat. Stud or no stud, we wouldn't be having this conversation if there weren't lots of concerns. You want to play someone because of their circumstances not in spite of their circumstances. Also, his stat line is slightly padded by that TD against the Packers, whose return fumble set up a very short field.You mean the few games right before week 14, or the entire 12 games the Lions played prior to week14?No blind loyalty for me. Prior to Week 14, Calvin had been producing like a WR1. Check out the Week 14 Who's Hot in PPR Leagues info on this site. Again, now there is concern with Culpepper so if you have strong alternatives then yes I'd consider sitting Megatron. But no way am I going to sit him for WR3s or decent WR2s. But that's me.kyoun1e said:He hs great potential and ability, but that doesn't change the fact that he has performed way below expectations this season. I own CJ and was delighted to have him as my second round draft pick in August, but blind loyalty that makes you keep plugging a sub-par player into your starting lineup will wreck your fantasy season.
Roddy is covered by Revis. Not a great idea.
So? It still counted, right? Not trying to be a d**k but I don't understand why that should be a negative against his production. He scored and that's huge in fantasy football. It doesn't matter how it happened. All that matters is it did and it resulted in something positive for Calvin.
I'll add that his targets are usually good and he will get 2 or more shots to make a deep play. He can't be benched for lesser players who may have a better matchup. The deep strike happens and you may as well punch yourself in the head if he's on your bench during the playoffs.
Calvin gets a bigger slice than others on his team, but it's from a very small pie (i.e. Detroit's offensive firepower.) Meachem, on the other hand, gets a slice comparable to lots of other players on his team, but it's one damn big pie.
Mmmmmmmm, pie......
It's quality over quantity.Meachem is catching 75% of the balls thrown his way. Calvin is at 46.8%.New Orleans leads the league in scoring (466 pts.). Detroit is 27th (209 pts.).So it's not a knock on Calvin as a talent or as a player. I'd just rather roll the dice on a lesser (but efficient) player in a high-scoring offense than a superior (but struggling) player on a poor offense.
To each his own. You don't need DET to score 30 pts for Calvin to put up a big game.Calvin's ceiling >>>> Meachem's (no matter what the size of the pie).Calvin gets a bigger slice than others on his team, but it's from a very small pie (i.e. Detroit's offensive firepower.) Meachem, on the other hand, gets a slice comparable to lots of other players on his team, but it's one damn big pie.Mmmmmmmm, pie......
I guess it would definitely depend on your league's scoring then. My league is a pretty basic PPR scoring league and despite Calvin missing all those games due to injury, he is only down by 0.20 in total points scored on the year compared with Meachem.So, using your numbers, Calvin is catching over 25% less of the balls thrown his way, yet he is putting up the same number of points (and on fewer games played)...ETA: So starting Calvin over a guy like Meachem seems like the more conservative approach with a much higher upside.
You're talking hypothetical ceiling - I'm talking about who to start given each player's real-world situation. If I were drafting a player for an NFL squad, I would take Johnson in a heartbeat over Meachem, but each of their fantasy production is determined in part by the offense on which they are playing. The truth is, Meachem has out produced Johnson this season, regardless of why. Johnson has more yards, but Meachem has 8 TDs to Johnson's 4, and Meachem has been outplaying Johnson even after Johnson returned from his injury - again, regardless of why.To each his own. You don't need DET to score 30 pts for Calvin to put up a big game.Calvin's ceiling >>>> Meachem's (no matter what the size of the pie).Calvin gets a bigger slice than others on his team, but it's from a very small pie (i.e. Detroit's offensive firepower.) Meachem, on the other hand, gets a slice comparable to lots of other players on his team, but it's one damn big pie.
Curious, what make Arizona D stout? One good game against the Vikings? Because they are ranked high in fantasy points? FBGs SOS has this matchup against Arizona in the top 5 points allowed to WR.Eph said:
Real world football is not the same as fantasy football (see my earlier response - Post #69). Meachem may be outplaying Calvin up to this point in real football play, but no where near it in fantasy football terms (PPR).Unless your league is not PPR, I can't fathom why anyone would start a player like Meachem over a healthy Calvin.You're talking hypothetical ceiling - I'm talking about who to start given each player's real-world situation. If I were drafting a player for an NFL squad, I would take Johnson in a heartbeat over Meachem, but each of their fantasy production is determined in part by the offense on which they are playing. The truth is, Meachem has out produced Johnson this season, regardless of why. Johnson has more yards, but Meachem has 8 TDs to Johnson's 4, and Meachem has been outplaying Johnson even after Johnson returned from his injury - again, regardless of why.To each his own. You don't need DET to score 30 pts for Calvin to put up a big game.Calvin's ceiling >>>> Meachem's (no matter what the size of the pie).Calvin gets a bigger slice than others on his team, but it's from a very small pie (i.e. Detroit's offensive firepower.) Meachem, on the other hand, gets a slice comparable to lots of other players on his team, but it's one damn big pie.
I'm in a TD-heavy league so we're may as well be speaking different languages.But at least we're doing it cordially.Good luck to you, sir.
TD-heavy league, I can certainly see why you would have a tough choice to make.Good luck to you as well. Us Calvin owners have needed it this year!
Evidently they have inside intel that Stafford's a go this week and that Schwartz is merely swerving the media by saying he's "not likely to play".Then again, they have Stafford ranked 28 to match up with their 4th ranked Megatron.Actually, if you dig into David's projections, he's hedging his bets on almost all the receivers.Even at #4 he's only got Megatron pegged at 7 receptions for 80 yards and a 60% shot at a score.Given the sheer volume of targets he gets, that's not unreasonable.No way I'm starting him with Culpepper throwing to him, though.They should have made a bid for Garcia once the Raiders cut him loose again. (Evidently Charlie Frye & JP Losman are better options.)
I'm not benching Johnson and I'm starting him in 2 leagues. He got past the Baltimore secondary on several occasions so I'm not worried about him getting open. I don't like Culpepper but the ball was wet last week as the 1st half was played in a down poor. One thing I did like about the horrible passing game of the Lions is Culpepper seemed to have some time to heave his balls down field. I'm worried a little that Arizona actually is more aggressive than Baltimore in sending more bodies at Culpepper and he doesn't get enough time to get that ball downfield. Oh well, we'll find out. I sure would like to get a long C. Johnson TD in the bag early in the game.grapeape said:I would give half a nut for Stafford to start. C-Pep just looks HORRIBLE. But I can't bench Calvin no matter how bad C-Pep looks. But I'm not optimistic he'll have a big game. Heck, I'm just hoping he can score 15 pts in a PPR league.
Shoot, I forgot. I guess I could use Crabtree, Meachem or Smith (NYG) instead...
I saw that he was added to the injury report but CBS speculated it was par for the course. You suspect or have heard something more ominous?
All that has been said around here is that Calvin was limited in practice. The locals haven't made a big deal about it.
I hope it doesn't limit him like it did in the Thanksgiving game. It was obvious in that game that his knee was bothering him.
If he's dinged and Stafford doesn't play, you can't start him.
Same injury??
Pretty sure, yes.
At least we now know why Calvin didn't have a good day. Who wants to catch Culpeppers balls anyway. If Culpepper can get back to heaving the football down the field, Calvin should post solid #'s.I'm not benching Johnson and I'm starting him in 2 leagues. He got past the Baltimore secondary on several occasions so I'm not worried about him getting open. I don't like Culpepper but the ball was wet last week as the 1st half was played in a down poor. One thing I did like about the horrible passing game of the Lions is Culpepper seemed to have some time to heave his balls down field. I'm worried a little that Arizona actually is more aggressive than Baltimore in sending more bodies at Culpepper and he doesn't get enough time to get that ball downfield. Oh well, we'll find out. I sure would like to get a long C. Johnson TD in the bag early in the game.grapeape said:I would give half a nut for Stafford to start. C-Pep just looks HORRIBLE. But I can't bench Calvin no matter how bad C-Pep looks. But I'm not optimistic he'll have a big game. Heck, I'm just hoping he can score 15 pts in a PPR league.
Knee injury again, missing a key practice day and no Stafford pretty much makes Calvin unstartable right now.
It does blow, given it's the playoffs. My contingencies aren't really worth anything though, so unless he's inactive I'm starting him.
This is the kind of talk I like to hear. Keep it up.
