Can somebody convince me that Steve Smith (2 Viewers)

[joffer]

sorry I missed this one :( S. Smith = STUDBTW, Derrick Mason over S. Smith in their respective situations is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[LHUCKS]

sorry I missed this one  :(

S. Smith = STUD

BTW, Derrick Mason over S. Smith in their respective situations is absolutely ludicrous.

I was attempting to be more subtle with Rudnicki.

 

[Football Girl]

Do you believe Smith is better/just as talented as Muhammad?

Without question. He's a gamebreaker who can do as much after the catch than anyone in the league.\ Thats why he struggles to break 13 ypc as a #1 WR The guy is a possesion receiver and a deep threat. Also, my league doesn't give points based on ypc...yours does?.

Do you expect the Panthers to lose half of their starting defense to injury again?

No, but like any team, injuries happen.Yes, but you do realize the odds of that many key injuries happening again are very, very low, correct? hence the "no"

Do you expect their top 4 RBs will be injured again?

Given who those RB's are, I'd say there's a chance. Again, we're talking low odds "hence the "chance"

Do you expect the Panthers to be playing from behind, unable to run the ball well, and thus forced to throw quite a bit again?

It's possible. Only if the other two low odd scenarios both happen Hence "It's possible"

Do you believe that Keary Colbert(2nd year), Rod Gardner, and Ricky Proehl are less of an option to steal receptions than Keary Colbert(rookie), Ricky Proehl, and Karl Hankton?

I believe more talent on the other side equals MORE quality chances for Smith, not less. You should ask Marvin Harrison about that To equate the weapons on carolina to the emergence of players in Indy isn't really fair. Also, did Marvin suck recently and I wasn't informed?

If the answer to all of those questions are yes, then it might be reasonable that Smith could approximate Muhammad's numbers. (This is not even including the injury, which in addition to a broken fibula also tore several tendons in his ankle)

Bones heal even stronger than before they broke. Are torn ankle tendons a reason for concern? Has anyone seen anything indicating they could be a problem? I honestly don't know. I read his ankle was sore after his first preseason game, but Fox said that was to be expected.Yikes...ok. When a player suffers a bone injury, yes, it is typically not a concern, because as you said, bones heal back stronger. But, you do realize this was a surgery situation right? One with a long recovery period? One that probably kept him from physical activities for 6+ months? Ankle soreness is to be expected...because he tore a bunch of tendons in it. That doesnt mean its not a huge deal, and that doesnt mean it won't slow him down. It will likely be a pain issue he'll have to deal with throughout the season. Not saying the injury is a huge deal, but to flippantly write it off is just silly, especially with all of the other factors working against him It's posts like this that encourage the casual fans to NOT post in the shark pool. Lose the attitude. Are you a doctor or did you just stay at a holiday inn last night? ool.

John,This is the Shark Pool. I would expect anyone strongly voicing an opinion here to have some kind of f'ing clue what they are talking about. If this is too much for you, FFtoday would be a great place to meet guys on your level.

This might surprise you, but alot of us don't want "casual fans" here. Its those types of people that have severely driven down the quality of the board over the last few years. I'm sure Joe and Co. love having the influx of guys who don't know what in the hell they are talking about, because no matter how stupid any one person is, they likely have $25 to sign up. If you are one of these guys, sit back, quiet down, and learn. Ask questions. If you want to voice your opinion about things you dont really know about, like i said, FFtoday, great place.

I think it's the condescending know-it-all posters that have brought down the quality of this board.

 

[joffer]

sorry I missed this one  :(

S. Smith = STUD

BTW, Derrick Mason over S. Smith in their respective situations is absolutely ludicrous.

I was attempting to be more subtle with Rudnicki.

I'm about 6 beers in, subtlety has left me

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

sorry I missed this one  :(

S. Smith = STUD

BTW, Derrick Mason over S. Smith in their respective situations is absolutely ludicrous.

I was attempting to be more subtle with Rudnicki.

Derrick Mason of the past few years was a better WR than Steve Smith. Age and their respective situations, however, certainly don't favor Mason going forward.

 

[Burning Sensation]

sorry I missed this one  :(

S. Smith = STUD

BTW, Derrick Mason over S. Smith in their respective situations is absolutely ludicrous.

I was attempting to be more subtle with Rudnicki.

I'm about 6 beers in, subtlety has left me

after 6 beers?

 

[joffer]

sorry I missed this one  :(

S. Smith = STUD

BTW, Derrick Mason over S. Smith in their respective situations is absolutely ludicrous.

I was attempting to be more subtle with Rudnicki.

I'm about 6 beers in, subtlety has left me

after 6 beers?

careful, or I'll go back and bump your "Maurice Clarett will lead the Denver Broncos in rushing in 2005" post

 

[LHUCKS]

sorry I missed this one  :(

S. Smith = STUD

BTW, Derrick Mason over S. Smith in their respective situations is absolutely ludicrous.

I was attempting to be more subtle with Rudnicki.

I'm about 6 beers in, subtlety has left me

after 6 beers?

careful, or I'll go back and bump your "Maurice Clarett will lead the Denver Broncos in rushing in 2005" post

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

If healthy, Smith WILL be a top 10 WR, i am as sure about this than anything else in FF this year.

I feel pretty confident in letting you know right now that this is not going to happen. Hope your other predictions work out better.

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

John,

This is the Shark Pool.  I would expect anyone strongly voicing an opinion here to have some kind of  f'ing clue what they are talking about.  If this is too much for you, FFtoday would be a great place to meet guys on your level.

This might surprise you, but alot of us don't want "casual fans" here.  Its those types of people that have severely driven down the quality of the board over the last few years.  I'm sure Joe and Co. love having the influx of guys who don't know what in the hell they are talking about, because no matter how stupid any one person is, they likely have $25 to sign up.  If you are one of these guys, sit back, quiet down, and learn.  Ask questions.  If you want to voice your opinion about things you dont really know about, like i said, FFtoday, great place.

I think it's the condescending know-it-all posters that have brought down the quality of this board.

Amen to that. It's like a Star Wars convention on Red Bull in here sometimes.

 

[BassNBrew]

for those who think not having a complementary WR is a huge detriment, how do you explain the year Muhsin Muhammad just had?

I see the following similarities between Muhammad's 2004 situation and Drew Bennett's 2005 situation:

no legit #2 WR

inconsistent running game

poor defense

good QB

#1 WR has prototype size with speed to go deep

some might say Drew Bennett isn't as good of a WR as Muhammad is, and I would concede that point. But, he doesn't have to be in order to put up top-15 numbers in Tennessee this year.

As for Steve Smith, his best season saw him compile 1100 yards and 7 TDs. You know who put up numbers like that in 2004?

Michael Clayton

Darrell Jackson

Rod Smith

Derrick Mason

Jimmy Smith

Eddie Kennison

Andre Johnson

Ashley Lelie

Nate Burleson

he definitely deserves to be drafted in the top-20, but does anyone realistically see him reaching 1300 yards or double digit TDs this year? that's probably what he would need to crack the top-10 and I don't think he has it in him.

Aaron...Smith has already reach those levels during the course of 15 consecutive meaningful games...

2003 game logs1 CAR JAX 0 0 0 6 4 44 1 10.4 [play-by-play] 2 CAR TB 0 0 0 8 3 27 0 2.7 [play-by-play] 4 CAR ATL 2 -1 0 6 5 47 0 4.6 [play-by-play] 5 CAR NO 0 0 0 4 1 13 0 1.3 [play-by-play] 6 CAR IND 1 10 0 9 6 103 1 17.3 [play-by-play] 7 CAR TEN 1 -2 0 14 10 151 1 20.9 [play-by-play] 8 CAR NO 1 10 0 12 9 100 0 11.0 [play-by-play] 9 CAR HOU 1 6 0 7 5 88 1 15.4 [play-by-play] 10 CAR TB 1 14 0 11 9 72 1 14.6 [play-by-play] 11 CAR WAS 1 -2 0 8 4 50 0 4.8 [play-by-play] 12 CAR DAL 1 12 0 8 4 73 0 8.5 [play-by-play] 13 CAR PHI 1 -2 0 9 5 80 1 13.8 [play-by-play] 14 CAR ATL 0 0 0 13 7 66 0 6.6 [play-by-play] 15 CAR ARI 0 0 0 12 9 99 0 9.9 [play-by-play] 16 CAR DET 1 -3 0 7 5 81 1 13.8 [play-by-play] 17 CAR NYG 0 0 0 7 2 16 0 1.6 [play-by-play] TOT 11 42 0 141 88 1110 7 157.2 Remember Delhomme was new at the beginning of the season replacing Peete as the starter. From week 6-16 (he only played a quarter or so in week 17 as the game meant nothing), the worst statistical day for Smith was 4-50. If you expand those 11 games into an entire season you get 106-1400-9. Based on the 2005 FBG projections this would put Smith in the #5 to #6 range with Johnson and Horn. Smith has already demonstrated that he's an elite WR over a significant period of time. The 2003 postseason stats were 18-404-3 in four games. That gives us a stretch of 15 consecutive meaningful games where the stats total 91-1367-9.

 

[Thumper]

80-1100-8 max, possibility of 70-900-5.

Above average WR, but not nearly in Muhammad's class, and the offense and situation surrounding the offense will be vastly different this season.

Im not a Smith hater; I called his 2003 breakout season when no one was high on him...but the situations arent the same.

You are joking right???Moose was the number 2 man behind Smith......officially for one season, but really two. If not for the injury last year it would have been 3 years for Moose as a #2 man.

I'd be shocked if Smith ever puts up a season like Muhammad did last year. Muhammad's a big physical receiver with all the tools.

Exactly. Smith couldnt dream of doing the things Moose did last year. Muhammad has fought through alot of injuries, but hes always had #1 WR ability. Smith is a good #2 WR who can be forced into a #1 role.

What can Muhammad do that Steve Smith can not.....other than be 6 foot tall?

Use his body, get open consistently, consistently dominate opposing defenses.

Steve Smith gets twice the separation that Muhammad does...I'm not exaggerating. You're comparing Marvin Harrison to Herman Moore.

Steve Smith is a stud. Easy top 10 wr. Could easily be in the top 5 wr's. He is quite undervalued in all three leagues I have drafted in this year. He is a bust out player in 05.

 

[abe froman]

John,

This is the Shark Pool.  I would expect anyone strongly voicing an opinion here to have some kind of  f'ing clue what they are talking about.  If this is too much for you, FFtoday would be a great place to meet guys on your level.

This might surprise you, but alot of us don't want "casual fans" here.  Its those types of people that have severely driven down the quality of the board over the last few years.  I'm sure Joe and Co. love having the influx of guys who don't know what in the hell they are talking about, because no matter how stupid any one person is, they likely have $25 to sign up.  If you are one of these guys, sit back, quiet down, and learn.  Ask questions.  If you want to voice your opinion about things you dont really know about, like i said, FFtoday, great place.

Wow. No need to be an #######. If you feel this thread and my contributions in it don't add to the forum, perhaps you should take your 15 year old rump over to fftoday. Either way, whether you view yourself as an expert or as a novice, there's no need to condescend to another person on a fantasy football message board.Good luck with the acne. ool.

I think this dude just needs to get laid. maybe check out a strip joint.. all in all this #### is supposed to be for fun. You sound like one of those guys who ended up spending alot of time inside his locker at school growing up (or recently-age?). So relax, we're here, and not going anywhere, deal with it or jump off a bridge if you need to.

 

[JHarrill]

I had Steve Smith in '03 and so I watched a lot of his games. One of Carolina's staple plays was the quick wide receiver screen to Smith. I play in a PPR league so these were great for me. Delhomme doesn't have the strongest arm in the league so I see that remaining a staple of their passing game. Considering Smith's elusiveness it really makes sense to simply get the ball in his hands as quick as possible and let him do the rest. Another positive of this play is that they have very high completion rate....therefore providing a stable base of fantasy production. I see his production matching '03 at a minimum.

 

[abe froman]

I had Steve Smith in '03 and so I watched a lot of his games. One of Carolina's staple plays was the quick wide receiver screen to Smith. I play in a PPR league so these were great for me. Delhomme doesn't have the strongest arm in the league so I see that remaining a staple of their passing game. Considering Smith's elusiveness it really makes sense to simply get the ball in his hands as quick as possible and let him do the rest. Another positive of this play is that they have very high completion rate....therefore providing a stable base of fantasy production. I see his production matching '03 at a minimum.

Good to see some of us are still sober

 

[hankd]

I'm expecting a damn good season from Smith this year...I took him in the 6th round.

 

[Buckychudd]

I had Steve Smith in '03 and so I watched a lot of his games. One of Carolina's staple plays was the quick wide receiver screen to Smith. I play in a PPR league so these were great for me. Delhomme doesn't have the strongest arm in the league so I see that remaining a staple of their passing game. Considering Smith's elusiveness it really makes sense to simply get the ball in his hands as quick as possible and let him do the rest. Another positive of this play is that they have very high completion rate....therefore providing a stable base of fantasy production. I see his production matching '03 at a minimum.

Dude, I used that play all the time in Tecmo Bowl.....never let me down.

 

[Burning Sensation]

These types of threads always bring out the owners of said player, which explains the overall positive feeling about this guy.

He has talent, don't get me wrong.  But it is limited.  He aspires to be the next Derrick Mason, not the next Marvin Harrison. 

I would not touch him within the top 15 WR.  5'9" people!  When was the last dominant WR this height?  Can you name any?  At all?

He is nowhere near the WR that Muhsin is, not with that height.  And if you want to say he is taking Muhsin's spot in the offense, that is fine.  But do you think he will be catching all those lob passes in the end zone like Muhsin?  

So, would you take Mushin over Steve Smith? Would/did you last year?

I took neither. Never liked Smith. Used to own Muhsin back in the day, but not last year. I never expected him to bounce back like that, but it was kinda fluky. I do not expect Muhsin to do much in Chicago, though I bet he would like Blake's passes if he becomes starter.

SOOOO, what to you contribute Mushins career year to last year? His elite skills? or the system? Is Mushin that good that no other WR can post similar numbers as the #1 WR in Carolina this year? If you were forced by gun point to select one of the two this year, or last year, which one would you take?

Muhsin got hot because he was the only option, and despite the double coverage, he was able to sky for a lot of deep balls for TDs. That is not an option for Smith. So the situation does not transfer.Last year, with a gun to my head, I would have taken Smith over MM because I thought MM was washed up. If MM was still there, I would take him in a second. In Chicago, who knows. Who cares?

Smith is overrated. No way does a 5'9" WR have huge upside...period.

If healthy, Smith WILL be a top 10 WR, i am as sure about this than anything else in FF this year.......and yes, i will be bumping this thread periodically over the season, right or wrong.

And i wil start right now

 

[BassNBrew]

Steve Smith is one of the top five WR's in the league from a football perspective.

which of these WRs is he better then from a "football perspective"?Terrell Owens

Randy Moss

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Torry Holt

Hines Ward

Joe Horn

Derrick Mason

Eric Moulds

Laveranues Coles

Javon Walker

Andre Johnson

Answer: Moulds, Ward, MasonComparable: Johnson, Horn, Harrison, Holt, Coles

Not as good: Chad Johnson, Moss, TO, Walker

ok, guy.

ok, guy...watch the game today or is your head still buried in the sand?

 

[packersfan]

Steve Smith = stud.Deal with it.

 

[BassNBrew]

Steve Smith a top-5 WR in the NFL is about the funniest thing I've read here in awhile.

Thanks guys.

No problem. Glad that I could amuse you while enlightening the rest of the FBG world to the errors in the FBG rankings/projections.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Smith looked awesome today. Congrats. But 1 great game against the Saints isn't enough to make me think he's a legit top-5 NFL wideout.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Steve Smith is one of the top five WR's in the league from a football perspective.

which of these WRs is he better then from a "football perspective"?Terrell Owens

Randy Moss

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Torry Holt

Hines Ward

Joe Horn

Derrick Mason

Eric Moulds

Laveranues Coles

Javon Walker

Andre Johnson

Answer: Moulds, Ward, MasonComparable: Johnson, Horn, Harrison, Holt, Coles

Not as good: Chad Johnson, Moss, TO, Walker

ok, guy.

ok, guy...watch the game today or is your head still buried in the sand?

where's the bump this week?

 

[BassNBrew]

Bumped the other thread where I'm tracking this back on Sunday. Speaking of bumps...I need to find your thread pimping Evans and Moulds. Care to help me there. Also can you help me find them on the on the YTD top 60 list? I see Steve Smith is at 13 and about on pace to my projections.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Bumped the other thread where I'm tracking this back on Sunday. Speaking of bumps...I need to find your thread pimping Evans and Moulds. Care to help me there. Also can you help me find them on the on the YTD top 60 list? I see Steve Smith is at 13 and about on pace to my projections.

I don't recall ever pimping Moulds/Evans as great fantasy options this year...both were risky choices with Losman under center.

 

[BassNBrew]

Bumped the other thread where I'm tracking this back on Sunday.  Speaking of bumps...I need to find your thread pimping Evans and Moulds.  Care to help me there.  Also can you help me find them on the on the YTD top 60 list?  I see Steve Smith is at 13 and about on pace to my projections.

I don't recall ever pimping Moulds/Evans as great fantasy options this year...both were risky choices with Losman under center.

Your last rankings had Moulds at 26 and Evans at 28, both four spots ahead of the consensus staff rankings. If I get bored, I'll look for the related thread where you chimed in. That said, I continue to bump the other Smith thread for better or worse. I man enough to stand behind my words, even if they turn out to be wrong. I was already correct on Shelton and hopefully saved a few people a wasted draft pick. Likewise, hopefully I gave some solid guidance on Davis and Colbert. Obviously I was wrong on the early Jones analysis, but that was before Gardner came into the picture anyway and Mangum is getting those looks in the endzone.

 

[packersfan]

No need to worry about Smith; he'll be fine. But he needs Delhomme to step things up. Jake was awful against the Pats.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Bumped the other thread where I'm tracking this back on Sunday.  Speaking of bumps...I need to find your thread pimping Evans and Moulds.  Care to help me there.  Also can you help me find them on the on the YTD top 60 list?  I see Steve Smith is at 13 and about on pace to my projections.

I don't recall ever pimping Moulds/Evans as great fantasy options this year...both were risky choices with Losman under center.

Your last rankings had Moulds at 26 and Evans at 28, both four spots ahead of the consensus staff rankings. If I get bored, I'll look for the related thread where you chimed in. That said, I continue to bump the other Smith thread for better or worse. I man enough to stand behind my words, even if they turn out to be wrong. I was already correct on Shelton and hopefully saved a few people a wasted draft pick. Likewise, hopefully I gave some solid guidance on Davis and Colbert. Obviously I was wrong on the early Jones analysis, but that was before Gardner came into the picture anyway and Mangum is getting those looks in the endzone.

no worries...we all make good calls and bad calls on players. I'm a fan of Steve Smith as a player and have been for awhile. But, I still have a hard time believing that you think Steve Smith is a better NFL WR than guys like Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Joe Horn, and Hines Ward.Smith is still on pace for a huge year, but is right around where I had him projected as WR15 or so.

I think Moulds/Evans are very talented, but not in a great situation this year to do too much. Put either in a better situation and they'd rank much higher. They should still have their moments, but Losman looked really bad against the Bucs on Sunday. If the O-line and QB aren't playing well, it's pretty tough for McGahee and the WRs to do much. This was a bad week all around for Bills players.

BTW, I was pretty far off on the Panthers running game. I thought Davis was done (huge value for people that drafted him this year), that Foster would be a flop (so far, so good), and that Shelton would emerge (RIP).

 

[BassNBrew]

I still like Smith around #5 as a player in a small tier with guys like Horn and Ward. Torn on Moss and Owens as you have to balance out their production with their attitudes. I think Westbrook is what really makes Philly go. Moss stills has issues with playing full time. Much to my dismay, Smith is returning punts and having an impact doing so. I do have to concede that Smith seemingly has now adopted the dodge out of bounds mentality which drops him a little down my NFL boards but up the fantasy boards..

 

[Burning Sensation]

These types of threads always bring out the owners of said player, which explains the overall positive feeling about this guy.

He has talent, don't get me wrong.  But it is limited.  He aspires to be the next Derrick Mason, not the next Marvin Harrison. 

I would not touch him within the top 15 WR.  5'9" people!  When was the last dominant WR this height?  Can you name any?  At all?

He is nowhere near the WR that Muhsin is, not with that height.  And if you want to say he is taking Muhsin's spot in the offense, that is fine.  But do you think he will be catching all those lob passes in the end zone like Muhsin?  

So, would you take Mushin over Steve Smith? Would/did you last year?

I took neither. Never liked Smith. Used to own Muhsin back in the day, but not last year. I never expected him to bounce back like that, but it was kinda fluky. I do not expect Muhsin to do much in Chicago, though I bet he would like Blake's passes if he becomes starter.

SOOOO, what to you contribute Mushins career year to last year? His elite skills? or the system? Is Mushin that good that no other WR can post similar numbers as the #1 WR in Carolina this year? If you were forced by gun point to select one of the two this year, or last year, which one would you take?

Muhsin got hot because he was the only option, and despite the double coverage, he was able to sky for a lot of deep balls for TDs. That is not an option for Smith. So the situation does not transfer.Last year, with a gun to my head, I would have taken Smith over MM because I thought MM was washed up. If MM was still there, I would take him in a second. In Chicago, who knows. Who cares?

Smith is overrated. No way does a 5'9" WR have huge upside...period.

If healthy, Smith WILL be a top 10 WR, i am as sure about this than anything else in FF this year.......and yes, i will be bumping this thread periodically over the season, right or wrong.

And i wil start right now

and a bump

 

[mrspree15]

bump

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Steve Smith is awesomegreat call.

 

[Bird Dog]

1 Smith,Steve CAR 16.62 2 Holt,Torry STL 16.16 3 Owens,Terrell PHI 15.92 4 Burress,Plaxico NYG 15.90 5 Moss,Randy OAK 14.65 6 Moss,Santana WAS 14.45 7 Fitzgerald,Larry ARI 14.16 8 Glenn,Terry DAL 13.96 9 Boldin,Anquan ARI 13.78 10 Ward,Hines PIT 13.52 11 Johnson,Chad CIN 13.52 12 Jackson,Darrell SEA 12.40Rankings after week 5 ona ppg basis.

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

Steve Smith is one of the top five WR's in the league from a football perspective.

which of these WRs is he better then from a "football perspective"?Terrell Owens

Randy Moss

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Torry Holt

Hines Ward

Joe Horn

Derrick Mason

Eric Moulds

Laveranues Coles

Javon Walker

Andre Johnson

Answer: Moulds, Ward, MasonComparable: Johnson, Horn, Harrison, Holt, Coles

Not as good: Chad Johnson, Moss, TO, Walker

ok, guy.

Thoughts now?

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

http://apps.footballguys.com/04wrrank1.cfm

Steve Smith was ranked #9 in our last posted expert rankings for 2004, and was #8 in the message board rankings.

The highest ranking from any staff member was Mike Anderson, who ranked him #6. His lowest ranking was #15, by Bob Henry.

If he was ranked so high last year, and given the numbers Moose had last year, why is Smith ranked so low this year when Moose is no longer there? Purely because of the injury?

Well, lets analyze the situation.Do you believe Smith is better/just as talented as Muhammad?

Do you expect the Panthers to lose half of their starting defense to injury again?

Do you expect their top 4 RBs will be injured again?

Do you expect the Panthers to be playing from behind, unable to run the ball well, and thus forced to throw quite a bit again?

Do you believe that Keary Colbert(2nd year), Rod Gardner, and Ricky Proehl are less of an option to steal receptions than Keary Colbert(rookie), Ricky Proehl, and Karl Hankton?

If the answer to all of those questions are yes, then it might be reasonable that Smith could approximate Muhammad's numbers. (This is not even including the injury, which in addition to a broken fibula also tore several tendons in his ankle)

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

Do you believe Smith is better/just as talented as Muhammad?

Without question. He's a gamebreaker who can do as much after the catch than anyone in the league.\ Thats why he struggles to break 13 ypc as a #1 WR

Do you expect the Panthers to lose half of their starting defense to injury again?

No, but like any team, injuries happen.Yes, but you do realize the odds of that many key injuries happening again are very, very low, correct?

Do you expect their top 4 RBs will be injured again?

Given who those RB's are, I'd say there's a chance. Again, we're talking low odds

Do you expect the Panthers to be playing from behind, unable to run the ball well, and thus forced to throw quite a bit again?

It's possible. Only if the other two low odd scenarios both happen

Do you believe that Keary Colbert(2nd year), Rod Gardner, and Ricky Proehl are less of an option to steal receptions than Keary Colbert(rookie), Ricky Proehl, and Karl Hankton?

I believe more talent on the other side equals MORE quality chances for Smith, not less. You should ask Marvin Harrison about that

If the answer to all of those questions are yes, then it might be reasonable that Smith could approximate Muhammad's numbers.  (This is not even including the injury, which in addition to a broken fibula also tore several tendons in his ankle)

Bones heal even stronger than before they broke. Are torn ankle tendons a reason for concern? Has anyone seen anything indicating they could be a problem? I honestly don't know. I read his ankle was sore after his first preseason game, but Fox said that was to be expected.Yikes...ok. When a player suffers a bone injury, yes, it is typically not a concern, because as you said, bones heal back stronger. But, you do realize this was a surgery situation right? One with a long recovery period? One that probably kept him from physical activities for 6+ months? Ankle soreness is to be expected...because he tore a bunch of tendons in it. That doesnt mean its not a huge deal, and that doesnt mean it won't slow him down. It will likely be a pain issue he'll have to deal with throughout the season. Not saying the injury is a huge deal, but to flippantly write it off is just silly, especially with all of the other factors working against him

 

[Nipsey]

Geez.

 

[Shlon]

lol

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Steve Smith is one of the top five WR's in the league from a football perspective.

which of these WRs is he better then from a "football perspective"?Terrell Owens

Randy Moss

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Torry Holt

Hines Ward

Joe Horn

Derrick Mason

Eric Moulds

Laveranues Coles

Javon Walker

Andre Johnson

Answer: Moulds, Ward, MasonComparable: Johnson, Horn, Harrison, Holt, Coles

Not as good: Chad Johnson, Moss, TO, Walker

ok, guy.

Thoughts now?

top-5 still seems a little high to me (Moss, Owens, CJohnson, Holt, Harrison, Ward have put up great numbers over a longer period of time), but he's definitely making a case for himself this year to become one of the league's elite.

 

[Nipsey]

Do you believe Smith is better/just as talented as Muhammad?

Without question. He's a gamebreaker who can do as much after the catch than anyone in the league.\ Thats why he struggles to break 13 ypc as a #1 WR The guy is a possesion receiver and a deep threat. Also, my league doesn't give points based on ypc...yours does?.

Do you expect the Panthers to lose half of their starting defense to injury again?

No, but like any team, injuries happen.Yes, but you do realize the odds of that many key injuries happening again are very, very low, correct? hence the "no"

Do you expect their top 4 RBs will be injured again?

Given who those RB's are, I'd say there's a chance. Again, we're talking low odds "hence the "chance"

Do you expect the Panthers to be playing from behind, unable to run the ball well, and thus forced to throw quite a bit again?

It's possible. Only if the other two low odd scenarios both happen Hence "It's possible"

Do you believe that Keary Colbert(2nd year), Rod Gardner, and Ricky Proehl are less of an option to steal receptions than Keary Colbert(rookie), Ricky Proehl, and Karl Hankton?

I believe more talent on the other side equals MORE quality chances for Smith, not less. You should ask Marvin Harrison about that To equate the weapons on carolina to the emergence of players in Indy isn't really fair. Also, did Marvin suck recently and I wasn't informed?

If the answer to all of those questions are yes, then it might be reasonable that Smith could approximate Muhammad's numbers.  (This is not even including the injury, which in addition to a broken fibula also tore several tendons in his ankle)

Bones heal even stronger than before they broke. Are torn ankle tendons a reason for concern? Has anyone seen anything indicating they could be a problem? I honestly don't know. I read his ankle was sore after his first preseason game, but Fox said that was to be expected.Yikes...ok. When a player suffers a bone injury, yes, it is typically not a concern, because as you said, bones heal back stronger. But, you do realize this was a surgery situation right? One with a long recovery period? One that probably kept him from physical activities for 6+ months? Ankle soreness is to be expected...because he tore a bunch of tendons in it. That doesnt mean its not a huge deal, and that doesnt mean it won't slow him down. It will likely be a pain issue he'll have to deal with throughout the season. Not saying the injury is a huge deal, but to flippantly write it off is just silly, especially with all of the other factors working against him It's posts like this that encourage the casual fans to NOT post in the shark pool. Lose the attitude. Are you a doctor or did you just stay at a holiday inn last night? ool.

John,

This is the Shark Pool. I would expect anyone strongly voicing an opinion here to have some kind of f'ing clue what they are talking about. If this is too much for you, FFtoday would be a great place to meet guys on your level.

This might surprise you, but alot of us don't want "casual fans" here. Its those types of people that have severely driven down the quality of the board over the last few years. I'm sure Joe and Co. love having the influx of guys who don't know what in the hell they are talking about, because no matter how stupid any one person is, they likely have $25 to sign up. If you are one of these guys, sit back, quiet down, and learn. Ask questions. If you want to voice your opinion about things you dont really know about, like i said, FFtoday, great place.

Irony is thick here.

 

[FairWarning]

I wonder how many would rather have R Moss this year?

 

[bb7278]

I have about as much man love for S. Smith as posible and still be heterosexual.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I wonder how many would rather have R Moss this year?

I have them both in one league.And it's not even close

 

[Burning Sensation]

These types of threads always bring out the owners of said player, which explains the overall positive feeling about this guy.

He has talent, don't get me wrong.  But it is limited.  He aspires to be the next Derrick Mason, not the next Marvin Harrison. 

I would not touch him within the top 15 WR.  5'9" people!  When was the last dominant WR this height?  Can you name any?  At all?

He is nowhere near the WR that Muhsin is, not with that height.  And if you want to say he is taking Muhsin's spot in the offense, that is fine.  But do you think he will be catching all those lob passes in the end zone like Muhsin?  

So, would you take Mushin over Steve Smith? Would/did you last year?

I took neither. Never liked Smith. Used to own Muhsin back in the day, but not last year. I never expected him to bounce back like that, but it was kinda fluky. I do not expect Muhsin to do much in Chicago, though I bet he would like Blake's passes if he becomes starter.

SOOOO, what to you contribute Mushins career year to last year? His elite skills? or the system? Is Mushin that good that no other WR can post similar numbers as the #1 WR in Carolina this year? If you were forced by gun point to select one of the two this year, or last year, which one would you take?

Muhsin got hot because he was the only option, and despite the double coverage, he was able to sky for a lot of deep balls for TDs. That is not an option for Smith. So the situation does not transfer.Last year, with a gun to my head, I would have taken Smith over MM because I thought MM was washed up. If MM was still there, I would take him in a second. In Chicago, who knows. Who cares?

Smith is overrated. No way does a 5'9" WR have huge upside...period.

If healthy, Smith WILL be a top 10 WR, i am as sure about this than anything else in FF this year.......and yes, i will be bumping this thread periodically over the season, right or wrong.

And another bi-weekly bump As far as the bolded sentence by "me & my uncle", i guess that was not exactly right, at least he didnt seem that confident in his opinion.

 

[HoTnickZ]

I honestly despise this thread... every week it serves a reminder that I didn't pick him with my 4th rd pick instead of Bulger (and having the knowledge pre season that he was going to have a big year). Worst part, I picked T Gon with my 3rd (Gates a couple picks before goaded me in). :X

 

[FairWarning]

I want someone to convince me that Moss is better than Steve Smith. Lets see Moss 1 catch 7 yards 1 TD. Not so hot for a 1st-2nd round selection.I doubt too many Smith owners are below .500. I don't own him but I sure do wish I did.

 

[Burning Sensation]

After todays game against a tough pass D like TB, i can now honestly say that there is not one WR i would take ahead of Steve Smith, either redraft or dynasty.(plus he has the best endzone dances)

 

[jurb26]

I honestly despise this thread... every week it serves a reminder that I didn't pick him with my 4th rd pick instead of Bulger (and having the knowledge pre season that he was going to have a big year). Worst part, I picked T Gon with my 3rd (Gates a couple picks before goaded me in). :X

Yeah, I missed Smith by 1 pick in my local league. Oddly enough, settled for Bulger after he went the pick before me.

 

[BassNBrew]

Steve Smith is one of the top five WR's in the league from a football perspective.

which of these WRs is he better then from a "football perspective"?Terrell Owens

Randy Moss

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Torry Holt

Hines Ward

Joe Horn

Derrick Mason

Eric Moulds

Laveranues Coles

Javon Walker

Andre Johnson

Answer: Moulds, Ward, MasonComparable: Johnson, Horn, Harrison, Holt, Coles

Not as good: Chad Johnson, Moss, TO, Walker

ok, guy.

Thoughts now?

top-5 still seems a little high to me (Moss, Owens, CJohnson, Holt, Harrison, Ward have put up great numbers over a longer period of time), but he's definitely making a case for himself this year to become one of the league's elite.

Thoughts now? I'd still take Moss or CJ. Holt should have been on my orginal list. Don't want TO on my team any more after this year. Wouldn't trade him for Walker, but he might still be better. I guess Santana Moss might be a comparable. Regardless, the top 5 statement wasn't that outlandish eh?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Thoughts now? I'd still take Moss or CJ. Holt should have been on my orginal list. Don't want TO on my team any more after this year. Wouldn't trade him for Walker, but he might still be better. I guess Santana Moss might be a comparable. Regardless, the top 5 statement wasn't that outlandish eh?

definitely looking better and better. Even if he's not in the top-5 yet, he's not too far off.