Car Market going forward (2 Viewers)

[Payne]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

 

[MTskibum]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

 

[Payne]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

With all your knowledge, what are your thoughts on Mazda?

 

[FarFromHome]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

With all your knowledge, what are your thoughts on Mazda?

It's been 5, 6 months or so since we purchased our brand new 2025 Toyota Rav4 XLE and we just still love it. Zero regrets on the purchase. We had it down to that and the Mazda CX50. I test drove that Mazda 3 times. Absolutely loved it. Was actually leaning that way, but in the end my wife felt it drove a little bigger then the Rav. My unprofessional opinion is you can't go wrong with that Mazda. Just felt like a luxury car to me while the Rav feels more practical.

 

[Ted Stickles]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

With all your knowledge, what are your thoughts on Mazda?

It's been 5, 6 months or so since we purchased our brand new 2025 Toyota Rav4 XLE and we just still love it. Zero regrets on the purchase. We had it down to that and the Mazda CX50. I test drove that Mazda 3 times. Absolutely loved it. Was actually leaning that way, but in the end my wife felt it drove a little bigger then the Rav. My unprofessional opinion is you can't go wrong with that Mazda. Just felt like a luxury car to me while the Rav feels more practical.

And what were the prices and price difference between the CX-50 and the RAV4 when you were looking? Thanks.

 

[MTskibum]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

With all your knowledge, what are your thoughts on Mazda?

I have not done enough research on the CX-50, sorry. My research was into CX-90, it offers 360 verse 260 footbounds of torque compared to Pilot, and we do occaisional towing with my wife's vehicle, that is a huge difference.

In addition the more recent pilots have had issues with their engine shutoff features, instead of using turbos to help fuel economy honda has taken the same approach as ram and chevy, they shutoff cylinders when not under full load, so your vehicle may only be a 3 cylinder when cruising down the highway. While Honda has had less issues with the technology than chevy or RAM it has been far from perfect.

Mazda also has cylinder deactivation on it's non-turbo models, including CX-90 without turbo. They have been using this technology since ~2018, and I have not read where they have had as many issues as honda.

Depending on how long you plan on keep the vehicles, the other thing to watch for is CVT. The CX-50 hybrid uses a CVT and that can be a costly repair at 100-140k miles depending on your driving style. If you only keep the vehicles for a few years, both the CVT and cylinder deactivation are less of an issue. And maybe mazda has less issues with it's deactivation than other car companies, research should be needed.

Turbo has it's own issues, however the technology has come along way.

 

[FarFromHome]

And what were the prices and price difference between the CX-50 and the RAV4 when you were looking? Thanks.

At the time, they were in the same zip code where for us, so price wasn't the issue it was which one was simply a better fit for us.

 

[Chadstroma]

I drove a new Subaru Outback that my future BIL has while in Cali. First time ever being in one let alone driving one. I really liked it. Comfortable for a big guy all around with leg and head room (my future BIL is 6'8" played DE at UCLA and I am a tiny 6'1" and neither of us are skinny). Raised with AWD so would be good in winter weather but drives like a lower car. Fits 5 well with tons of easy to get to storage in the back.

It was a bit squirrely with the steering so that took me some time to get use to and the turbo can lag a little behind and then kicks in hard which also took me time to get use to.

My future BIL leased it but then changed his mind and bought a Ford Tremor. Was saying he might turn it in and pay the $10K as keeping it through the lease would cost him $14K. I was thinking of offering him some sort of deal for it then drive it out from L.A. to Chicago as our cars are getting long in the tooth. I don't know how leases work though as never have done one.... I mean, I know what a lease is but in terms of options for me to take it over or buy it outright etc.

 

[Payne]

I drove a new Subaru Outback that my future BIL has while in Cali. First time ever being in one let alone driving one. I really liked it. Comfortable for a big guy all around with leg and head room (my future BIL is 6'8" played DE at UCLA and I am a tiny 6'1" and neither of us are skinny). Raised with AWD so would be good in winter weather but drives like a lower car. Fits 5 well with tons of easy to get to storage in the back.

It was a bit squirrely with the steering so that took me some time to get use to and the turbo can lag a little behind and then kicks in hard which also took me time to get use to.

My future BIL leased it but then changed his mind and bought a Ford Tremor. Was saying he might turn it in and pay the $10K as keeping it through the lease would cost him $14K. I was thinking of offering him some sort of deal for it then drive it out from L.A. to Chicago as our cars are getting long in the tooth. I don't know how leases work though as never have done one.... I mean, I know what a lease is but in terms of options for me to take it over or buy it outright etc.

A good friend has had nothing but problems with his Outback. A rarity though it seems.

 

[Chadstroma]

I drove a new Subaru Outback that my future BIL has while in Cali. First time ever being in one let alone driving one. I really liked it. Comfortable for a big guy all around with leg and head room (my future BIL is 6'8" played DE at UCLA and I am a tiny 6'1" and neither of us are skinny). Raised with AWD so would be good in winter weather but drives like a lower car. Fits 5 well with tons of easy to get to storage in the back.

It was a bit squirrely with the steering so that took me some time to get use to and the turbo can lag a little behind and then kicks in hard which also took me time to get use to.

My future BIL leased it but then changed his mind and bought a Ford Tremor. Was saying he might turn it in and pay the $10K as keeping it through the lease would cost him $14K. I was thinking of offering him some sort of deal for it then drive it out from L.A. to Chicago as our cars are getting long in the tooth. I don't know how leases work though as never have done one.... I mean, I know what a lease is but in terms of options for me to take it over or buy it outright etc.

A good friend has had nothing but problems with his Outback. A rarity though it seems.

It is a brand new car.... I think something like 500 miles on it. So.... that could very well be a thing. I don't know.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

 

[Chadstroma]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

My F-150 was a solid truck that lived a good life and took care of me in a crash.

I am not much of one that does the whole brand loyalty thing in cars that some seem to do. After all, so much of the components are sourced from the same companies whether they go into a Chevy or Ford. I am too old to care about stuff like that. Give me the best car period that fits my needs and wants and is the best value.

We currently have a GMC and a Honda. The Honda Odyssey is only a year older than our Acadia but feels like 10 years older. We are the only owners of the Acadia (2014) and the Honda had one previous owner which was the parents of my wife's sister's husband, where they take care of their things.

 

[thecatch]

I drove a new Subaru Outback that my future BIL has while in Cali. First time ever being in one let alone driving one. I really liked it. Comfortable for a big guy all around with leg and head room (my future BIL is 6'8" played DE at UCLA and I am a tiny 6'1" and neither of us are skinny). Raised with AWD so would be good in winter weather but drives like a lower car. Fits 5 well with tons of easy to get to storage in the back.

It was a bit squirrely with the steering so that took me some time to get use to and the turbo can lag a little behind and then kicks in hard which also took me time to get use to.

My future BIL leased it but then changed his mind and bought a Ford Tremor. Was saying he might turn it in and pay the $10K as keeping it through the lease would cost him $14K. I was thinking of offering him some sort of deal for it then drive it out from L.A. to Chicago as our cars are getting long in the tooth. I don't know how leases work though as never have done one.... I mean, I know what a lease is but in terms of options for me to take it over or buy it outright etc.

A good friend has had nothing but problems with his Outback. A rarity though it seems.

Mine was the most reliable car I’ve ever owned. Not one single issue with anything over about 100k miles. I’ll probably never get another one because it was the most boring car to drive I’ve ever had, but it was rock solid.

 

[dkp993]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

This is me too. My first love was cars (my name here is after a car). My wife, zero clue, and I mean ZERO clue. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve driven her car a within one second I’m like “how long has that noise been going on for?” Or “don’t you feel the shaking when you brake?” Get blank stares or shoulder shrugs every time.

 

[Corporation]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

This is me too. My first love was cars (my name here is after a car). My wife, zero clue, and I mean ZERO clue. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve driven her car a within one second I’m like “how long has that noise been going on for?” Or “don’t you feel the shaking when you brake?” Get blank stares or shoulder shrugs every time.

I was married for more than a year and a half when my wife called me from the interstate. Her car threw a rod. Asked her if she was ok, she was but was shaken. I said "That's really strange for a car of the age to throw a rod. When's the last time you had your oil changed?" She said "You aren't changing my oil?" Me: "Why would I be changing your oil!? Have you ever seen me take your car somewhere or just change it in the driveway?" That was 31 years ago I'd like to say our communication has improved since then, but it hasn't really

 

[the moops]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

 

[FarFromHome]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

I am looking to get out of my 2014 Durango. I no longer need that large of a vehicle. Mazda offering .9% for up to 72 months on 2025 CX-50's and my wife said no without even looking at them. Might be the best deal going right now on a midsize SUV though.

What is frustrating from my perspective is I love cars. I read car and driver regularly in addition to other car magazines/forums. I spend at least a couple hundred hours a year, for last 20 years of my life reading/researching all sorts of cars. I like shopping for cars, and I used to like working on cars although anymore i dont really.

My wife knows nothing about cars. If you asked her what sized engine her current car had, i doubt she could even say 6 cylinder, let alone 3.5L. Let alone all of the potential design flaws that could impact its long term reliability.

Oh well, whatcha going to do.

This is me too. My first love was cars (my name here is after a car). My wife, zero clue, and I mean ZERO clue. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve driven her car a within one second I’m like “how long has that noise been going on for?” Or “don’t you feel the shaking when you brake?” Get blank stares or shoulder shrugs every time.

I was married for more than a year and a half when my wife called me from the interstate. Her car threw a rod. Asked her if she was ok, she was but was shaken. I said "That's really strange for a car of the age to throw a rod. When's the last time you had your oil changed?" She said "You aren't changing my oil?" Me: "Why would I be changing your oil!? Have you ever seen me take your car somewhere or just change it in the driveway?" That was 31 years ago I'd like to say our communication has improved since then, but it hasn't really

This could literally be its own thread. If I had a dollar for everytime dad or husband drove in wife or daughter's car and said, "How long has it been making that sound?" Id be a pretty rich man. I'm still trying to get them to understand the difference in the sound of a vibration and a clunking sound. Clunk sounds are really bad sweetie. Ha ha

 

[Harry Frogfish]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

My F-150 was a solid truck that lived a good life and took care of me in a crash.

I am not much of one that does the whole brand loyalty thing in cars that some seem to do. After all, so much of the components are sourced from the same companies whether they go into a Chevy or Ford. I am too old to care about stuff like that. Give me the best car period that fits my needs and wants and is the best value

No reason to go back and forth but I will say this. No way does a Ford meet your parameters.

 

[Chadstroma]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

My F-150 was a solid truck that lived a good life and took care of me in a crash.

I am not much of one that does the whole brand loyalty thing in cars that some seem to do. After all, so much of the components are sourced from the same companies whether they go into a Chevy or Ford. I am too old to care about stuff like that. Give me the best car period that fits my needs and wants and is the best value

No reason to go back and forth but I will say this. No way does a Ford meet your parameters.

Uh.. ok

 

[Harry Frogfish]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

Which proves what, Americans are the smartest car buyers or something?

Go Murica go!

 

[the moops]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

Which proves what, Americans are the smartest car buyers or something?

Go Murica go!

No it proves that people do in fact still buy Fords.

What's your angle here buddy?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Wife’s 2010 for edge may be coming to the end of its usable life.

She likes the Edge so she’s already been on Carmax.

Thank god she doesn’t want a 80k Tahoe.

Do your research. Many 2.0 Ecoboost engine issues. We had to replace our engine at 70,000 miles. Lady at work did as well.
Personally, I'm done with Ford and especially they EcoBoost engines.

Oh I didnt say I liked the Edge platform. We’ve replaced the engine. I forgot the name but it’s the gearbox for the AWD with the comically small 6 oz oil- transfer case?

Good news is it’s not too bad- I’m replacing the fuel injectors so she lives!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

Which proves what, Americans are the smartest car buyers or something?

Go Murica go!

No it proves that people do in fact still buy Fords.

What's your angle here buddy?

Most of that is fleet sales.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

Which proves what, Americans are the smartest car buyers or something?

Go Murica go!

No it proves that people do in fact still buy Fords.

What's your angle here buddy?

 

[Osaurus]

I drove a new Subaru Outback that my future BIL has while in Cali. First time ever being in one let alone driving one. I really liked it. Comfortable for a big guy all around with leg and head room (my future BIL is 6'8" played DE at UCLA and I am a tiny 6'1" and neither of us are skinny). Raised with AWD so would be good in winter weather but drives like a lower car. Fits 5 well with tons of easy to get to storage in the back.

It was a bit squirrely with the steering so that took me some time to get use to and the turbo can lag a little behind and then kicks in hard which also took me time to get use to.

My future BIL leased it but then changed his mind and bought a Ford Tremor. Was saying he might turn it in and pay the $10K as keeping it through the lease would cost him $14K. I was thinking of offering him some sort of deal for it then drive it out from L.A. to Chicago as our cars are getting long in the tooth. I don't know how leases work though as never have done one.... I mean, I know what a lease is but in terms of options for me to take it over or buy it outright etc.

A good friend has had nothing but problems with his Outback. A rarity though it seems.

It’s not imo. Transmission was going out on my 2015 at 120k miles and they all seem to have electrical issues (mine included). I love Outbacks, but I won’t be buying another one any time soon.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Been searching many car sites for our new vehicle, got a note from Carvana that was "sell us your car" so I clicked on it to see what they would offer. Yea, it's an older Dodge Caravan (2015) but it is in decent shape and ones around here sell for at least 2K. Their offer?

100 bucks! 100 bucks

I think that’s pretty standard for anything 10 years old or older. I forgot where I read it but I think it’s something like they can’t offer financing or warranty on a car that old so they basically don’t want to deal with it

I had the same offer for my 2010 Ford Focus and the dealer said it had frame rust so they couldn’t even give me blue book value either. I at least got $500 for scrap on that one

Had similar experience with my MIL 2003 Grand Marquis. Dealer was only going to give us $300 she ended up just giving it away to some friend of a friend

 

[MTskibum]

I drove a new Subaru Outback that my future BIL has while in Cali. First time ever being in one let alone driving one. I really liked it. Comfortable for a big guy all around with leg and head room (my future BIL is 6'8" played DE at UCLA and I am a tiny 6'1" and neither of us are skinny). Raised with AWD so would be good in winter weather but drives like a lower car. Fits 5 well with tons of easy to get to storage in the back.

It was a bit squirrely with the steering so that took me some time to get use to and the turbo can lag a little behind and then kicks in hard which also took me time to get use to.

My future BIL leased it but then changed his mind and bought a Ford Tremor. Was saying he might turn it in and pay the $10K as keeping it through the lease would cost him $14K. I was thinking of offering him some sort of deal for it then drive it out from L.A. to Chicago as our cars are getting long in the tooth. I don't know how leases work though as never have done one.... I mean, I know what a lease is but in terms of options for me to take it over or buy it outright etc.

A good friend has had nothing but problems with his Outback. A rarity though it seems.

It’s not imo. Transmission was going out on my 2015 at 120k miles and they all seem to have electrical issues (mine included). I love Outbacks, but I won’t be buying another one any time soon.

It is a shame, the older outbacks were bulletproof if taken decent care of. My brother had one with 20 years old, 200+ thousand miles, I had a '97 that was still running great when i sold it with 180k miles, etc.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

Which proves what, Americans are the smartest car buyers or something?

Go Murica go!

No it proves that people do in fact still buy Fords.

What's your angle here buddy?

Well, he claimed Ford was "the best value". For starters, I would simply begin with resale on that part. And there is no "angle" here. What's a better indicator of value would you say? Sales (of an American car in, um, America), really? As STEADYMOBBIN already noted, fleet sales inflate that aspect, as does the home field advantage.

And what's your "angle"? (and don't get me wrong, big moops fan but the fact people "still buy Fords" is hardly proof of value and the like)

 

[pollardsvision]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

Which proves what, Americans are the smartest car buyers or something?

Go Murica go!

No it proves that people do in fact still buy Fords.

What's your angle here buddy?

Well, he claimed Ford was "the best value". For starters, I would simply begin with resale on that part. And there is no "angle" here. What's a better indicator of value would you say? Sales (of an American car in, um, America), really? As STEADYMOBBIN already noted, fleet sales inflate that aspect, as does the home field advantage.

And what's your "angle"? (and don't get me wrong, big moops fan but the fact people "still buy Fords" is hardly proof of value and the like)

I wouldn't care to buy a Ford, and can understand the sentiment of not understanding why people buy Fords.

Seems like that's where you were coming from, and were making a joke.

Moops was simply pointing out that, in fact, quite a lot of people buy Fords with no opinion given on whether or not he thinks that's a good idea.

 

[FarFromHome]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

 

[pollardsvision]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

Now, a Ranger, I'd love to have. I'd prefer one from the 80's or 90's, but nobody will part with them these days.

 

[dkp993]

Ford can and sometimes still does make a great car. F150’s in general are fantastic for what they are.

 

[Nugget]

People buy Fords still? That's crazy.

Until just this year, Ford F-150 trucks have been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 45 straight years

Which proves what, Americans are the smartest car buyers or something?

Go Murica go!

No it proves that people do in fact still buy Fords.

What's your angle here buddy?

Most of that is fleet sales.

Ford is going to sell around 2.2M vehicles in the US this year. About 25% fleet - Ford does sell more commercial and government vehicles than any other manufacturer.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

 

[dkp993]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

Now, a Ranger, I'd love to have. I'd prefer one from the 80's or 90's, but nobody will part with them these days.

Raptor’s and Raptor R’s are class leading and awesome. Heard great things about the Ranger Raptor too. It’s actually on my short list for next car (next couple months).

 

[FarFromHome]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

 

[brettdj]

I have owned 2 Fords(2004 Escape, 2013 Fiesta) both got well over 200k miles with little problems.

Also looked at selling Fiesta to Carvana (offered $400) 6 months later car was hit. Damage to passenger side doors, totaled. Insurance paid over $2000.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Ended up with the more powerful, FAR more comfortable and far cheaper Nissan Frontier for half what a Tacoma would cost me and I got most of that back after I sold it two years ago.

 

[FarFromHome]

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Yep. We ran into this buying our new RAV4. Toyotas are in such high demand the wiggle room in negotiations is very very very small.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Yep. We ran into this buying our new RAV4. Toyotas are in such high demand the wiggle room in negotiations is very very very small.

Smart by them I guess but it pretty much locked me out as a customer forever. Again, for me, Hondas are the same and imo, look better, feel better and more comfortable every time I’ve compared similar models side by side.

I’m more interested in reliability than looks but Toyotas are ugly to me so no loss.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Ended up with the more powerful, FAR more comfortable and far cheaper Nissan Frontier for half what a Tacoma would cost me and I got most of that back after I sold it two yea.

FTR, nobody here is bad-mouthing Nissan. They are nice vehicles, imo. The topic started with a Ford being the "best value" statement.

Now it's turned into a Toyota Tacomas are overpriced discussion, which I'd agree with. Although that's also a decent argument of actual quality, especially in the long run, is it not? The premium people are willing to pay for that is likely too high at this point (I backed out of one myself), especially considering usage. But all that is up to the consumer. Not Toyota's fault.

 

[MTskibum]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

On the otherside if you are buying new Toyota is good to look at there. I may end up trading in my Tacoma instead of my wife's Pilot. It is a 2022 with 55,000 miles, the rear bumper needs work done, it needs tires, and it has major cracks all over the windshield and I am still being offered 31,000 for trade in.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Ended up with the more powerful, FAR more comfortable and far cheaper Nissan Frontier for half what a Tacoma would cost me and I got most of that back after I sold it two yea.

FTR, nobody here is bad-mouthing Nissan. They are nice vehicles, imo. The topic started with a Ford being the "best value" statement.

Now it's turned into a Toyota Tacomas are overpriced discussion, which I'd agree with. Although that's also a decent argument of actual quality, especially in the long run, is it not? The premium people are willing to pay for that is likely too high at this point (I backed out of one myself), especially considering usage. But all that is up to the consumer. Not Toyota's fault.

Sure. Flip side is the Toyota will get your your money back if you resell but for me- if the objective is to buy a reliable car - the potential resale value isn’t a consideration as ideally I never want to sell it. It’s why I don’t lease. If I’ve gotta baby it and not put a lot of miles on it- I might as well own it.

I would never put Nissan on the same level as a Toyota or Honda, although they seem to have attempted to lead us to believe they are trying to be more reliable going forward.

 

[Hawks64]

@MTskibum don't ignore my questions!

We have an older base model Honda Pilot that we are looking to upgrade, it doesnt have a navigation system, sirius xm, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc. So it kind of sucks on road trips. We are still looking for a new SUV, but will probably go with a Pilot.

I want my wife to consider the Mazda, but we dont have one, nor do i think she will even consider it.

Got it. Thanks for the no new information

It's not the CX-90 but my kid has the CX-30 and loves it. It's really nice for an entry level compact SUV, he has the Premium trim and it's very nice.

 

[FarFromHome]

the potential resale value isn’t a consideration as ideally I never want to sell it.

This is me. Until this past year we had ZERO car payments for 6 years or so. So, at 26000 miles, hopefully my little work truck Ford Ranger lasts with no issues until it hits 150000. At my pace that should honestly be 10 years. By then it won't have the resell value of Tacoma, but if I get 10 years of reliability who cares honestly.

 

[Ted Stickles]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Ended up with the more powerful, FAR more comfortable and far cheaper Nissan Frontier for half what a Tacoma would cost me and I got most of that back after I sold it two yea.

FTR, nobody here is bad-mouthing Nissan. They are nice vehicles, imo. The topic started with a Ford being the "best value" statement.

Now it's turned into a Toyota Tacomas are overpriced discussion, which I'd agree with. Although that's also a decent argument of actual quality, especially in the long run, is it not? The premium people are willing to pay for that is likely too high at this point (I backed out of one myself), especially considering usage. But all that is up to the consumer. Not Toyota's fault.

Sure. Flip side is the Toyota will get your your money back if you resell but for me- if the objective is to buy a reliable car - the potential resale value isn’t a consideration as ideally I never want to sell it. It’s why I don’t lease. If I’ve gotta baby it and not put a lot of miles on it- I might as well own it.

I would never put Nissan on the same level as a Toyota or Honda, although they seem to have attempted to lead us to believe they are trying to be more reliable going forward.

Former Nissan Murano owner until last August. Only started having issues once I got it past 200k miles. Until then, hardly any issues.

I bought it from my dad, who at 6'4 it was by far the most comfortable SUV for someone of his height. I loved, loved, loved the driver/passenger seats in that Murano compared to the sitting posture and seats in my current Volvo wagon and Chevy Colorado work truck.

Nissan is totally underrated IMHO. Maybe they should bring back to the Datsun name!

 

[the moops]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Ended up with the more powerful, FAR more comfortable and far cheaper Nissan Frontier for half what a Tacoma would cost me and I got most of that back after I sold it two yea.

FTR, nobody here is bad-mouthing Nissan. They are nice vehicles, imo. The topic started with a Ford being the "best value" statement.

Now it's turned into a Toyota Tacomas are overpriced discussion, which I'd agree with. Although that's also a decent argument of actual quality, especially in the long run, is it not? The premium people are willing to pay for that is likely too high at this point (I backed out of one myself), especially considering usage. But all that is up to the consumer. Not Toyota's fault.

Sure. Flip side is the Toyota will get your your money back if you resell but for me- if the objective is to buy a reliable car - the potential resale value isn’t a consideration as ideally I never want to sell it. It’s why I don’t lease. If I’ve gotta baby it and not put a lot of miles on it- I might as well own it.

I would never put Nissan on the same level as a Toyota or Honda, although they seem to have attempted to lead us to believe they are trying to be more reliable going forward.

Former Nissan Murano owner until last August. Only started having issues once I got it past 200k miles. Until then, hardly any issues.

I bought it from my dad, who at 6'4 it was by far the most comfortable SUV for someone of his height. I loved, loved, loved the driver/passenger seats in that Murano compared to the sitting posture and seats in my current Volvo wagon and Chevy Colorado work truck.

Nissan is totally underrated IMHO. Maybe they should bring back to the Datsun name!

We had a pass down Murano from MIL for several years. Didn't like the way it looked, but it was very comfortable and drove very well

 

[Ted Stickles]

3 months ago or so I wanted a new work truck and bought a 2021 Ford Ranger with 26000 miles. Wanted a Tacoma, but the cost difference between the two was quite large. I'm happy with my little Ranger so far.

See, this is what I'd consider most telling of value and quality. The market. Re-sale value. And not some individual stories of how this one Ford has lasted since grandpappy passed her down 2 decades ago. That stuff is great, memories, but proves little as a whole. But hey, if it does the job getting around town and you take care of it, awesome, good for you.

Ask mechanics. Aside from Ford mechanics -- solid job security, btw -- it's doubtful many will recommend buying a Ford. And they most certainly won't be including sales in their take.

Yep. I can only speak for me. It had literally been only a few months after buying a brand new car, so I only wanted to spend 20ish grand. 20ish grand in Tacoma value gets you a 2015 with 190,000 miles. Or. The 26000 mile Ranger. I'll take the heat for buying a Ford and move forward courageously. Ha ha

About 8 years ago I went shopping for trucks. Toyota was the only dealer who wouldn’t work with me and in fact gave me a few used truck options for more than I was willing to pay for a new one.

Ended up with the more powerful, FAR more comfortable and far cheaper Nissan Frontier for half what a Tacoma would cost me and I got most of that back after I sold it two yea.

FTR, nobody here is bad-mouthing Nissan. They are nice vehicles, imo. The topic started with a Ford being the "best value" statement.

Now it's turned into a Toyota Tacomas are overpriced discussion, which I'd agree with. Although that's also a decent argument of actual quality, especially in the long run, is it not? The premium people are willing to pay for that is likely too high at this point (I backed out of one myself), especially considering usage. But all that is up to the consumer. Not Toyota's fault.

Sure. Flip side is the Toyota will get your your money back if you resell but for me- if the objective is to buy a reliable car - the potential resale value isn’t a consideration as ideally I never want to sell it. It’s why I don’t lease. If I’ve gotta baby it and not put a lot of miles on it- I might as well own it.

I would never put Nissan on the same level as a Toyota or Honda, although they seem to have attempted to lead us to believe they are trying to be more reliable going forward.

Former Nissan Murano owner until last August. Only started having issues once I got it past 200k miles. Until then, hardly any issues.

I bought it from my dad, who at 6'4 it was by far the most comfortable SUV for someone of his height. I loved, loved, loved the driver/passenger seats in that Murano compared to the sitting posture and seats in my current Volvo wagon and Chevy Colorado work truck.

Nissan is totally underrated IMHO. Maybe they should bring back to the Datsun name!

We had a pass down Murano from MIL for several years. Didn't like the way it looked, but it was very comfortable and drove very well

Which year did you have? I had the 2009 and my family still has the 2016.