Don Quixote
Footballguy
RT @BeanieWells26 Just been informed that I'll be released today.
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Cards cut Beanie Wells (1 Viewer)
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Hmmmmm. Will he be brought in to compete somewhere, or sign as a backup.Are the Cardinals content with who they have on the roster or could we see a Michael or Bell land there?
Inspiration
Footballguy
St Louis as an inexpensive complementary power back to Pead and Richardson would make sense too.
trader jake
Footballguy
If the Lions don't sign Reggie Bush, I could see the Cardinals going after him.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If he comes really cheap, keep an eye on Pittsburgh.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
He'd be a good fit in ATL as a cheap replacement for Turner.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Been meaning to write something about players like Wells for awhile.
Why Beanie Wells can't stay healthy.
Why Beanie Wells can't stay healthy.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
hmmmm
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Imagine he'll find a home if/when a team strikes out at RB in the draft.
Can't believe he's still just 24.
Can't believe he's still just 24.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
The 2012 OL was pretty horrible, the 2012 Beanie was pretty horrible, and he has been much injured. But...
245-1,047-10 in 2011. Former 1st round pick. Turns just 25 in August. Someone in the NFL will give him a shot to make a difference, and this release is worlds better for him than being stuck in ARI another season.
245-1,047-10 in 2011. Former 1st round pick. Turns just 25 in August. Someone in the NFL will give him a shot to make a difference, and this release is worlds better for him than being stuck in ARI another season.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If he's willing to sign cheaply in exchange for a legit shot to be the bell-cow, he could have some value there. If he gets hurt again, they should have Redman and Dwyer back behind him, so they'd really be no worse off than they were this year. Draft a back like LeVeon Bell or Joe Randle in the 4th round and suddenly, your backfield has some options without spending a lot of FA money or a premium draft pick.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Couple things:1) Give that post another passover as an editor
2) Add a picture or google won't recognize it as new content
3) Make sure it's at least 600 words or Google won't recognize it as new content
4) Post more often to increase traffic
5) The majority of google searches are questions - take highly asked questions and answer them in your posts with the question as the title for SEO gold.
HTH
Don Quixote
Footballguy
What does it mean to have a "poor score on the rushing or receiving metric"?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Hey -- much appreciated Fanatic. Have had it up for a couple years, but have only just started posting regularly. (i.e. more than a few times a month).
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
It's a way to try and measure a players ability to use his physical talent. My own thing. But it's fairly common-sensical and something almost anyone could recreate an approximation of in a few hours.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Eesh, I have to tell you, you've compiled a list of a hodgepodge of random guys with a full variety of reasons they never excelled. There's no commonality there in most cases and nothing that proves any point.Most were simply low round picks who never had the talent to be stars and were never expected to amount to much. The odds are long for any RB drafted below the 4th round surviving for long, we all know this.
Some who were expected to succeed, like Shelton - a 2nd rounder, failed because he sucked as a football player, not because of injuries.
Some (like Jacobs - 4th rounder and Hightower - 5th rounder) actually exceeded expectations for a time.
As for the injuries, there's nothing to nothing to link broken legs, ACLs, Achilles' tears, etc. to their height. RBs get injured, plain and simple. So do little guys. In 2011 didn't we see Jamal Charles, Adrian Peterson, Rashard Mendenhall go down with ACLs? It's part of the game.
I really don't see anything about that article that makes any cogent supportable point. You found a bunch of RBs above a certain height and... and then you came to some conclusion, and honestly I don't get it.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I've always liked his skillset. I hope he gets a shot somewhere with an offensive line in front of him.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I sort agree with you about 'bad football players' -- that's what the 'poor rushing or receiving scores' indicate. The argument is that tall RBs with the same poorish level of skill get hurt more than the short ones. But you're also right that I didn't post anything very rigorous and no one should take my word for it. So I'll try to take some time and put something quantitative together. Or at the very least make sure I indicate which players fall into this category going forward (L Bell this year, for example) so we can compare going forward.But in the meantime I'm sticking stick to my guns here: poor vision and an inability to make yourself small is a fatal flaw in a RB and those players get hurt more often than similar players who are short.
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Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Hey Rob, sorry if I came off slamming the post too hard. We know each other and are football pals and I know that you know your stuff. I just didn't see the linkage here, other than 1) here are some tall RBs who have been hurt, ergo 2) 'poor vision' tall RBs get hurt. So I was left scratching my head a little.Yeah, if you want this to mean something to folks, you need to show a cause-and-effect that you haven't shown -- statistical data showing greater injury to big backs, and somehow also figure out a way to demostrate why in your opinion these particular guys are singled out for poor vision, which in the post just seems to be taken for granted.Bettis, Dickerson, etc. were tall backs who had great careers. How do we decide vision is good or bad other than to assume it is good or bad depending on achieved level of success? I don't know the answer.Anyway, best of luck as you go forward with this. I hope I didn't ruffle feathers too much.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Lots of use of the word "cheap" in here... kudos.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
There is no 'sell' for anything of value at this point I'd assume. If you own him already, may as well sit on him and see what team and situation he ends up with. Maybe then sell him, but you're getting WW fodder/bottom of roster stuff if trying to sell him right now so there's really no reason to bother.
Shutout
Footballguy
Agree, although I think leaving zona in itself is a value boost to him. He has been productive before. In the right situation, I think he could be very effective this year, say, with the jets or bengals or some team like that.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
How do you quantify poor vision?
Touchdown There
Footballguy
beef
Footballguy
Exactly why id sell now or when he signs elsewhere. Someone will believe. Start throwing out offers now while there might be belief he becomes a starter.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
No worries Bruce. I know you're not just slamming and I think you're right overall. I was relying too much on the names on the list to be convincing and didn't do my homework.I do think you may have missed the bit about 'vision' being a metric I created. I'm not going to unravel it here, but it's an objective attempt to use a college back's NCAA performance ability with the ball in his hands to predict his ability in the NFL -- independent of his physical tools.So these guys were both 'Tall' and had either a poor performance metric rushing or receiving.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Maybe ESPN or NFL Network
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
even still, I can't see getting much for him
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed. I highly doubt the team will rely on Williams after he has played a combined total of 5 games through his first two years, and never carried the ball more than 14 times in a game.
was thinking the same thing.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
William Powell 
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Wouldn't Adrian Peterson , Arian Foster and Steven Jackson fit the basic criteria also?
Is it just me, or is this the best time to sell if your a Beanie owner? I think him being released will cause his value to peak while people try to connect the dots on teams he could possibly play for. The slim chance he ends up in one of ATL/GB/PIT/NYJ should be enough for people to roll the dice on him
petenice15
Footballguy
I never understood all the Beanie hate. I think he is a very talented runner who just can't stay on the field. I think a change in scenery will do him some good. Hopefully he lands in a good spot and he can have another 2011 type season. I know it's a big if, but like mentioned earlier he's only 24. Someone is going to give the guy a shot.
cstu
Footballguy
What does it say about him that the Cardinals aren't even willing to pay him $1.2M this season?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I am buying for all the haters for the cheap price he should come at with the word BUST out there now. I just keep coming back to Garrison Hearst and Thomas Jones who struggled in Arizona and than got out and took off with this one.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Knock the guy for the injuries, sure, but it's silly to think he couldn't be more productive behind an offensive line that isn't in Arizona.The list of RBs who wash out of their first franchise (and are subsequently given up on by fantasy players) that go on to produce solid numbers elsewhere is starting to get fairly long.
petenice15
Footballguy
That's a great point and you're probably right. But for some reason he's one of those players I've always enjoyed watching play due to his aggressiveness. Yes I'm a dynasty owner and in non-ppr redrafts this year I probably will be an owner as well, so my vision may be clouded. If nothing else, I personally think he has a great speed/size combo and he's worth a shot for a team looking for a first 2 down back.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Both those guys have good performance measures.I've been tinkering with this quite a bit last night and this morning and am having a miserable time figuring out how you'd even set up an experiment that would be convincing. And that's not even considering the difficulty in gathering the games missed data. I do think that Couch may be right that the 'bad vision' piece may be more important than the 'tall' piece even if both are added risk factors.I'll leave it at that for now, but going forward I'll point out players I think are good enough to be considered for playing time (i.e. they aren't hopeless bums), but who I believe are likely to be injured more often than the average RB if they get it. Le'Veon Bell for sure this year. He's someone that I believe will be dinged up virtually all the time if he gets carries. And FWIW, I've never owned Wells in any of my leagues because I believed when he was coming into the league that he wouldn't be able to stay on the field.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I've been a big supporter in the past, but this is pretty telling - especially when you consider that he fits into Arians system fairly well. His offense doesn't use RBs in the passing game and want a power rusher that takes some pressure off the passing game. The fact that a new regime is not even willing to pay him backup money (when their cupboard is pretty bare) must say something.
