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Carolina RB situation moving forward (2 Viewers)

One more thing. Some will tend to dismiss the differences in ypc based on Stewart getting the short yardage and GL work.Stewart has 13 carries for 41 yards in situations with 0-2 yards to go (1st through 4th downs). Remove those carries, and with 3+ yards to go, he has 83/321 rushing... 3.87 ypc. Williams only has 2 carries for 6 yards in such situations, so his ypc with 3+ yards to go is 118 carries for 516 yards... 4.37 ypc. So it is clear Stewart is the short yardage back, no doubt about it. But it is also clear that Williams is better in all other situations.Inside the red zone, Stewart has 15 touches, all carries, for 55 yards, 5 TDs, and 1 fumble lost. Williams has 13 touches (12 carries, 1 reception) for 55 yards, 3 TDs, and no fumbles lost. Looks pretty even to me... so I don't really see an edge for Stewart as a red zone back. Now, if it is short yardage in the red zone, including within a few yards of the goal line, he probably is the guy.I could see this evolving to a largely situational split, with Stewart also providing a breather for Williams in addition to short yardage and mop up duties.
Here's their breakdown by down:1st down:
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NAME 	POS 	YR 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	FD 	RSHTD 	FANT PT1	DeAngelo Williams	rb	2008	62	256	4.13	8	0	27.302	Jonathan Stewart	rb	2008	44	180	4.09	6	3	37.20
2nd down:
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NAME 	POS 	YR 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	FD 	RSHTD 	FANT PT1	DeAngelo Williams	rb	2008	46	170	3.70	10	1	24.102	Jonathan Stewart	rb	2008	40	140	3.50	9	1	20.00
3rd down:
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NAME 	POS 	YR 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	FD 	RSHTD 	FANT PT1	DeAngelo Williams	rb	2008	13	99	7.62	5	2	38.702	Jonathan Stewart	rb	2008	10	37	3.70	4	1	9.70
4th down:
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NAME 	POS 	YR 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	FD 	RSHTD 	FANT PT1	Jonathan Stewart	rb	2008	1	2	2.00	1	0	0.20
This looks to me like the big difference here is 3rd down runs, where Williams averages 7.62 ypc and Stewart averages 3.7 ypc. Is this because Williams is the beneficiary of cheap yards on draws on 3rd-and-long while Stewart, as the short yardage back, has to slog it out for his 3rd down yards on 3rd-and-short? Let's find out:3rd down and 4 or less:
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NAME 	POS 	YR 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	FD 	RSHTD 	FANT PT1	DeAngelo Williams	rb	2008	1	15	15.00	1	1	13.902	Jonathan Stewart	rb	2008	7	19	2.71	4	1	7.90
3rd down and 5 or more:
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NAME 	POS 	YR 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	FD 	RSHTD 	FANT PT1	DeAngelo Williams	rb	2008	12	84	7.00	4	1	24.802	Jonathan Stewart	rb	2008	3	18	6.00	0	0	1.80
The answer? Yep, DeAngelo Williams gets the cheap 3rd down yards more often, while Stewart gets the tough assignments on 3rd down. Of note, their ypc average on 3rd down and 5 or more is very similar. This isn't a put-down of Williams who has done well with his opportunities. Rather, it explains the descrepancy between their numbers and shows that they're much more evenly matched than some might be thinking.
Good post. However, this does not show the trends by month. Consider:1st down in September:Williams 30/103/0 (3.43 ypc)Stewart 21/90/2 (4.09 ypc)1st down in October:Williams 32/153/0 (4.78 ypc)Stewart 23/90/1 (3.91 ypc)2nd down in September:Williams 21/87/0 (4.14 ypc)Stewart 18/83/1 (4.61 ypc)2nd down in October:Williams 25/83/1 (3.32 ypc)Stewart 22/57/0 (2.59 ypc)3rd down in September:Williams 4/11/0 (2.75 ypc)Stewart 6/24/1 (4.00 ypc)3rd down in October:Williams 9/88/2 (9.78 ypc)Stewart 4/13/0 (3.25 ypc)On all 3 downs in September, Stewart was at 4+ ypc and was better than Williams. On all 3 downs in October, Stewart was below 4 ypc, and Williams was better. :excited:
Ok, I got what you're saying now. :rolleyes:I'm curious as to everyones' thoughts about why this is. We're not far enough into the season for me to believe it's conditioning. Has this been the product of an unreported Stewart injury or something?
Great posts. Don't you think that some of this may be because the Panthers brass may finally be excited about DW? They still own him so they are going to use him. There is no rush on Stewart. Right now there doesnt seem to be any reason to change. If DW performs he will play. Simple as that.
 
If they thought they were all set with Williams then they wouldnt have drafted arguably the best RB in the draft.
The thing you may be overlooking is that NFL teams need to have more than one quality RB. It has become fairly rare that a RB can make it through an entire 16 games as a feature RB. This is especially true for a coach like Fox, who prefers to run the ball a lot. And the Panthers only had guys like Brad Hoover and Nick Goings behind Williams at the time of the draft.That said, IMO they would have been better served using the first round pick on another position, signing or trading for a vet backup RB and/or using a later draft pick on a backup RB, and rolling with Williams. It is definitely working out well so far, however... can't fault the results.
If Williams os splitting carries with a rookie running back while he is in his 4th year in the league. He HASNT proven that he can carry the load by himself. if you cannot see this then you are blind. It isn't my point of view.
Williams is in his third year. He has not been given a real opportunity to prove he can carry the load by himself. By many accounts, his main deficiency in the past was pass protection, which limited his chances... and by many accounts he corrected that deficiency entering this season. In games in which he has been given a lot of carries, he has excelled. See my previous post on that.Regardless of how good Stewart is, IMO you are off base about Williams.
 
Just because your flavor of the week has had a few games that look nice doesn;t mean it's a direct result of him coming into his own. He has had years to prove himself and year after year he splits carries. Whether it be with a washed up vet (Foster) or a rookie (Stewart).
Honestly, you make it sound as though DeAngelo has been in the league alongside Thomas Jones for almost a decade now.Year after year? There's been two of them! I wish I had a convenient way of researching the Panthers O-line injuries in 2006. From what I recall they were decimated (but I could easily be wrong about that). Last year, without Delhomme he managed 5.0 yds a clip, almost a yd. more than this year and Stewart wasn't in Carolina "buffering" DeAngelo from defenses.

You make a great point, that DWill hasn't carried the load in his career. But I think you're confusing hasn't with can't. (And by the way, I agree with you. Jonathan Stewart will be a top 5-7 RB in his career. Dude is oozing talent). But in this case, I think your blind love for Stewart isn't allowing you to see DeAngelo's talent in his own right.

 
I hate to say it, because I have both players in one league and Stewart in another, but unless one of them gets hurt I think this is going to stay a RBBC and for most games DWII will have better stats than Stewart. Fox likes them both and Stewart is not pulling away from the pack. Maybe next season...

 
thehornet said:
All i am trying to say is that Stewart is better at keeping defenses honest. He can pund out a few extra yards and get critical first downs even when an opposing team stacks the line. DeAngelo isn't that type of back. He is dynamic and feeds off of Stewart's ability to keep a team playing small and up the middle. This enables the Panthers to call Williams number to do a varity of things - get outside short screen passes, etc. He has been successful for those reasons.

Also, i do agree that the 2 make eachother better. However, Stewart doesn't NEED Williams, whereas Williams does need someone to split with. Stewart, believe it or not is fast and quick and has the ability to get outside as well. Stewart is what is known as an EVERY down back. DeAngelo will never have that label.
Wait, so you're saying that you have observed something about Stewart and Williams' respective running abilities that NO NFL defensive player or Defensive Coordinator has seen? Because according to what you have bolded above, Williams has been able to be successful because defenses play small and pack the middle to stop the inside running game. If, however, they had seen what you see (with regards to the difference in Stewart and Williams' running ability) they would only need to pack the middle when Stewart in the game, since DeAngelo isn't "that type of back." Your logic doesn't make sense. If you think you have seen something a/b these 2 players' abilities, GUARANTEED that a defensive coach/player has seen it. They study the game WAY more than we do. So if you were right, the defenses would know when to stack the middle, and when to guard the edges, based on which RB is in the game. Therefore, it's reasonable to conclude that (while Stewart MAY be the better inside runner) defenses have to respect Williams up the middle b/c he is good enough there.
I really don't know how to make myself anymore clear. DeAngelo Williams is not an every down back. He never has been and never will be. Fox knows this, other coaches know this and so do i. If they thought they were all set with Williams then they wouldnt have drafted arguably the best RB in the draft. Williams os splitting carries with a rookie running back while he is in his 4th year in the league. He HASNT proven that he can carry the load by himself. if you cannot see this then you are blind. It isn't my point of view.the part that you bolded has nothing to do with Williams. It has everything to do with Stewart and how he creates mismatches for the Panthers offense while utilizing Williams. DeAngelo is essentially a change of pace back having a nice half season. This isn't to say he isnt talented. He had a great career at Memphis and he can be succesful in the NFL, but he has limitations. Stewart meanwhile, is held down by nothing. he is the full package.

Just because your flavor of the week has had a few games that look nice doesn;t mean it's a direct result of him coming into his own. He has had years to prove himself and year after year he splits carries. Whether it be with a washed up vet (Foster) or a rookie (Stewart).

I really cant wait until Stewart becomes a TOP5 RB in this league. I have patience.
patience is a virtue/ignorance is bliss...
 
p00h said:
thehornet said:
All i am trying to say is that Stewart is better at keeping defenses honest. He can pund out a few extra yards and get critical first downs even when an opposing team stacks the line. DeAngelo isn't that type of back. He is dynamic and feeds off of Stewart's ability to keep a team playing small and up the middle. This enables the Panthers to call Williams number to do a varity of things - get outside short screen passes, etc. He has been successful for those reasons.

Also, i do agree that the 2 make eachother better. However, Stewart doesn't NEED Williams, whereas Williams does need someone to split with. Stewart, believe it or not is fast and quick and has the ability to get outside as well. Stewart is what is known as an EVERY down back. DeAngelo will never have that label.
Wait, so you're saying that you have observed something about Stewart and Williams' respective running abilities that NO NFL defensive player or Defensive Coordinator has seen? Because according to what you have bolded above, Williams has been able to be successful because defenses play small and pack the middle to stop the inside running game. If, however, they had seen what you see (with regards to the difference in Stewart and Williams' running ability) they would only need to pack the middle when Stewart in the game, since DeAngelo isn't "that type of back." Your logic doesn't make sense. If you think you have seen something a/b these 2 players' abilities, GUARANTEED that a defensive coach/player has seen it. They study the game WAY more than we do. So if you were right, the defenses would know when to stack the middle, and when to guard the edges, based on which RB is in the game. Therefore, it's reasonable to conclude that (while Stewart MAY be the better inside runner) defenses have to respect Williams up the middle b/c he is good enough there.
I really don't know how to make myself anymore clear. DeAngelo Williams is not an every down back. He never has been and never will be. Fox knows this, other coaches know this and so do i. If they thought they were all set with Williams then they wouldnt have drafted arguably the best RB in the draft. Williams os splitting carries with a rookie running back while he is in his 4th year in the league. He HASNT proven that he can carry the load by himself. if you cannot see this then you are blind. It isn't my point of view.the part that you bolded has nothing to do with Williams. It has everything to do with Stewart and how he creates mismatches for the Panthers offense while utilizing Williams. DeAngelo is essentially a change of pace back having a nice half season. This isn't to say he isnt talented. He had a great career at Memphis and he can be succesful in the NFL, but he has limitations. Stewart meanwhile, is held down by nothing. he is the full package.

Just because your flavor of the week has had a few games that look nice doesn;t mean it's a direct result of him coming into his own. He has had years to prove himself and year after year he splits carries. Whether it be with a washed up vet (Foster) or a rookie (Stewart).

I really cant wait until Stewart becomes a TOP5 RB in this league. I have patience.
patience is a virtue/ignorance is bliss...
your one liner makes no sense. Please elaborate.
 
He's saying you are being ignorant. Seemed obvious...
about what? My opinion that Williams isnt an every down back? And that i believe his half year of success isnt a sign of things to come?
Williams has been successful every year he has played. The only difference is that this year, he is getting more opportunities. Honestly, I don't know why it is so difficult for Stewart backers to simply admit that they misjudged Williams' ability. It's more than obvious you guys have.
 
He's saying you are being ignorant. Seemed obvious...
about what? My opinion that Williams isnt an every down back? And that i believe his half year of success isnt a sign of things to come?
Williams has been successful every year he has played. The only difference is that this year, he is getting more opportunities. Honestly, I don't know why it is so difficult for Stewart backers to simply admit that they misjudged Williams' ability. It's more than obvious you guys have.
I have no problem admitting it. At this point, it's silly to argue otherwise.
 
He's saying you are being ignorant. Seemed obvious...
about what? My opinion that Williams isnt an every down back? And that i believe his half year of success isnt a sign of things to come?
Williams has been successful every year he has played. The only difference is that this year, he is getting more opportunities. Honestly, I don't know why it is so difficult for Stewart backers to simply admit that they misjudged Williams' ability. It's more than obvious you guys have.
I have no problem admitting it. At this point, it's silly to argue otherwise.
the two compliment each other well. I'll give you that.
 
I really don't know how to make myself anymore clear. 1DeAngelo Williams is not an every down back. He never has been and never will be. Fox knows this, other coaches know this and so do i. If they thought they were all set with Williams then they wouldnt have drafted arguably the best RB in the draft. 2Williams os splitting carries with a rookie running back while he is in his 4th year in the league. He HASNT proven that he can carry the load by himself. if you cannot see this then you are blind. It isn't my point of view.

the part that you bolded has nothing to do with Williams. 3It has everything to do with Stewart and how he creates mismatches for the Panthers offense while utilizing Williams. DeAngelo is essentially a change of pace back having a nice half season. This isn't to say he isnt talented. He had a great career at Memphis and he can be succesful in the NFL, but he has limitations. Stewart meanwhile, is held down by nothing. he is the full package.

4Just because your flavor of the week has had a few games that look nice doesn;t mean it's a direct result of him coming into his own. He has had years to prove himself and year after year he splits carries. Whether it be with a washed up vet (Foster) or a rookie (Stewart).

I really cant wait until Stewart becomes a TOP5 RB in this league. I have patience.
You can make it more clear by using facts and stats to back up your belief that Williams is riding Stewart's coat-tails, rather than repeating your opinion, over and over. Let's look at some of your statements (bolded above):1) You say above that Williams is not an every down back. "Fox knows this, other coaches know this and so do i." Really-you have talked to John Fox? You have talked to other coaches? I don't think you have. Just because you assert something as a fact does not make it a fact.

Let's look at actual facts: NFL statistics. You say Williams is not an every down back. Assuming an every-down back is a back who gets AT LEAST 18 carries/game, Williams has had 6 such games in his career. 2006 week 11: 20 carries, 114 yards. 2006 week 16: 21 carries, 82 yards. 2007 week 17: 20 carries, 121 yards 2 TDs. 2008 week 1: 18 carries, 86 yards. 2008 week 5: 20 carries, 123 yards, 2 TD. 2008 week 7: 18 carries, 66 yards. So in games when has had the OPPORTUNITY to be an "every-down" back, he has averaged 20 carries, 99 yards, 4.95 ypc, and .67 TDs. He hasn't had the opportunity to be an every-down back. Perhaps you are right and Fox doesn't think he can do it, or perhaps Fox is the type of coach who likes to use more than 1 back. Since that has been Fox's track record since day 1 as a coach, I'm going with option #2

2) Williams is not in his 4th year, but his 3rd. As noted above, his coach has a tendency to utilize two backs, so you are right Williams has not proven he can carry the load, BECAUSE HIS COACH DOESN'T LET HIM. BTW-Stewart hasn't proven he can carry the load either, yet you conveniently ignore that fact. I'm not blind, and in fact, your point of view is EXACTLY what it is. Williams has either proven he can't carry the load (YOUR POINT OF VIEW) or Williams hasn't been given the opportunity to carry the load (MY POINT OF VIEW) Until Fox comes out and says, "We use both guys because DeAngelo can't do it all" or "DeAngelo can't carry the load," then your belief that Williams can't carry the load isn't Fox's point of view, but yours.

3) You say, "It has everything to do with Stewart and how he creates mismatches for the Panthers offense while utilizing Williams." I said it before, and I'll say it again: This makes no sense. Please explain how Stewart creates mismatches for Williams. THEY ALTERNATE SERIES'!!!!! If Stewart is in the game, and DeAngelo is on the bench, what mismatches are Stewart creating that helps DeAngelo? If DeAngelo is in the game, and Stewart is on the bench, what mismatches are Stewart creating that helps DeAngelo? Please, explain what you mean by this. If the two of them were on the field at the same time, then I would buy your belief that the defense clogs the middle to stop Stewart, allowing DeAngelo to get to the edges. That isnt' happening though, so PLEASE, PLEASE explain how you think this work!

4) You say, "Just because your flavor of the week has had a few games that look nice doesn;t mean it's a direct result of him coming into his own." First, he's not my flavor of the week, I don't own him in my league. Second, you're right, he's only had a few nice games, and that doesn't mean that he has finally "gotten" it and come into his own. It is a possiblity, though. Not all RBs are immediate studs Some RBs have had a few slow years, before they "came into their own" as NFL RBs.

Tiki Barber, Stephen Davis, Priest Holmes, Rudi Johnson, Thomas Jones and Larry Johnson jump to mind as recent examples.

The FACT is that John Fox has always used more than 1 RB, so perhaps the reason he is using both Williams and Stewart is not because Williams isn't good enough (as you keep saying), but maybe that is just his coaching philosophy.

 
2. Williams is presumably better in pass protection.
While I agree with some of your analysis, just a point of information on this one...you're presuming because Stewart is the rook and D-Will the vet, the young guy is deficient. Not true; DeAngelo's poor pass blocking has been cited throughout his career, while the bigger stronger back was praised from the get go that he was ahead the usual rookie curve in this area.That was the assessment back in preseason, and held true the first few weeks of the season...honestly haven't seen the Panthers live so not sure if it still holds true.
But saying Stewart is ahead of the rookie curve in pass blocking isn't saying he's as good as Williams either, it's just saying he's better than an average rookie would be...which may mean he doesn't suck as bad a rookie normally would.Williams was getting props for his improvements in pass blocking this offseason. Of course that could just mean he doesn't suck as much as he used to.But I say the proof is probably in the pudding. Williams is getting significant playing time in all situations, including the passing downs. That tells me they don't see Stewart as the better blocker.
 
I really don't know how to make myself anymore clear. 1DeAngelo Williams is not an every down back. He never has been and never will be. Fox knows this, other coaches know this and so do i. If they thought they were all set with Williams then they wouldnt have drafted arguably the best RB in the draft. 2Williams os splitting carries with a rookie running back while he is in his 4th year in the league. He HASNT proven that he can carry the load by himself. if you cannot see this then you are blind. It isn't my point of view.

the part that you bolded has nothing to do with Williams. 3It has everything to do with Stewart and how he creates mismatches for the Panthers offense while utilizing Williams. DeAngelo is essentially a change of pace back having a nice half season. This isn't to say he isnt talented. He had a great career at Memphis and he can be succesful in the NFL, but he has limitations. Stewart meanwhile, is held down by nothing. he is the full package.

4Just because your flavor of the week has had a few games that look nice doesn;t mean it's a direct result of him coming into his own. He has had years to prove himself and year after year he splits carries. Whether it be with a washed up vet (Foster) or a rookie (Stewart).

I really cant wait until Stewart becomes a TOP5 RB in this league. I have patience.
You can make it more clear by using facts and stats to back up your belief that Williams is riding Stewart's coat-tails, rather than repeating your opinion, over and over. Let's look at some of your statements (bolded above):1) You say above that Williams is not an every down back. "Fox knows this, other coaches know this and so do i." Really-you have talked to John Fox? You have talked to other coaches? I don't think you have. Just because you assert something as a fact does not make it a fact.

Let's look at actual facts: NFL statistics. You say Williams is not an every down back. Assuming an every-down back is a back who gets AT LEAST 18 carries/game, Williams has had 6 such games in his career. 2006 week 11: 20 carries, 114 yards. 2006 week 16: 21 carries, 82 yards. 2007 week 17: 20 carries, 121 yards 2 TDs. 2008 week 1: 18 carries, 86 yards. 2008 week 5: 20 carries, 123 yards, 2 TD. 2008 week 7: 18 carries, 66 yards. So in games when has had the OPPORTUNITY to be an "every-down" back, he has averaged 20 carries, 99 yards, 4.95 ypc, and .67 TDs. He hasn't had the opportunity to be an every-down back. Perhaps you are right and Fox doesn't think he can do it, or perhaps Fox is the type of coach who likes to use more than 1 back. Since that has been Fox's track record since day 1 as a coach, I'm going with option #2

2) Williams is not in his 4th year, but his 3rd. As noted above, his coach has a tendency to utilize two backs, so you are right Williams has not proven he can carry the load, BECAUSE HIS COACH DOESN'T LET HIM. BTW-Stewart hasn't proven he can carry the load either, yet you conveniently ignore that fact. I'm not blind, and in fact, your point of view is EXACTLY what it is. Williams has either proven he can't carry the load (YOUR POINT OF VIEW) or Williams hasn't been given the opportunity to carry the load (MY POINT OF VIEW) Until Fox comes out and says, "We use both guys because DeAngelo can't do it all" or "DeAngelo can't carry the load," then your belief that Williams can't carry the load isn't Fox's point of view, but yours.

3) You say, "It has everything to do with Stewart and how he creates mismatches for the Panthers offense while utilizing Williams." I said it before, and I'll say it again: This makes no sense. Please explain how Stewart creates mismatches for Williams. THEY ALTERNATE SERIES'!!!!! If Stewart is in the game, and DeAngelo is on the bench, what mismatches are Stewart creating that helps DeAngelo? If DeAngelo is in the game, and Stewart is on the bench, what mismatches are Stewart creating that helps DeAngelo? Please, explain what you mean by this. If the two of them were on the field at the same time, then I would buy your belief that the defense clogs the middle to stop Stewart, allowing DeAngelo to get to the edges. That isnt' happening though, so PLEASE, PLEASE explain how you think this work!

4) You say, "Just because your flavor of the week has had a few games that look nice doesn;t mean it's a direct result of him coming into his own." First, he's not my flavor of the week, I don't own him in my league. Second, you're right, he's only had a few nice games, and that doesn't mean that he has finally "gotten" it and come into his own. It is a possiblity, though. Not all RBs are immediate studs Some RBs have had a few slow years, before they "came into their own" as NFL RBs.

Tiki Barber, Stephen Davis, Priest Holmes, Rudi Johnson, Thomas Jones and Larry Johnson jump to mind as recent examples.

The FACT is that John Fox has always used more than 1 RB, so perhaps the reason he is using both Williams and Stewart is not because Williams isn't good enough (as you keep saying), but maybe that is just his coaching philosophy.
you are an angry person.
 
thehornet said:
All i am trying to say is that Stewart is better at keeping defenses honest. He can pund out a few extra yards and get critical first downs even when an opposing team stacks the line. DeAngelo isn't that type of back. He is dynamic and feeds off of Stewart's ability to keep a team playing small and up the middle. This enables the Panthers to call Williams number to do a varity of things - get outside short screen passes, etc. He has been successful for those reasons.Also, i do agree that the 2 make eachother better. However, Stewart doesn't NEED Williams, whereas Williams does need someone to split with. Stewart, believe it or not is fast and quick and has the ability to get outside as well. Stewart is what is known as an EVERY down back. DeAngelo will never have that label.
First of all, Stewart is Ryan Grant fast. Let that sink in a minute.Second of all, if Williams has more carries than does Stewart on first, second and third downs, what is your definition of any every down back?It's two months into the season and you think that no defensive coordinator has figured out yet that the guy whose getting more carries (Williams) and more yards per carry (Williams) is a threat to run the ball when Stewart's over on the sideline? :confused: So explain to me again how Stewart sitting on the sideline is keeping the team "small and up the middle" when DeAngelo is in there? They can't see that it's DeAngelo in the backfield and not Stewart?I admire you tenacity in defending your position, but please face the music. :thumbup:
 
He's saying you are being ignorant. Seemed obvious...
about what? My opinion that Williams isnt an every down back? And that i believe his half year of success isnt a sign of things to come?
Williams has been successful every year he has played. The only difference is that this year, he is getting more opportunities. Honestly, I don't know why it is so difficult for Stewart backers to simply admit that they misjudged Williams' ability. It's more than obvious you guys have.
That's the sad thing. No one that's a Williams fan is saying that Stewart isn't an every down back or that he isn't talented. We are just saying that Williams is too and it's being proven on the field. Stewart backers aren't necessarily wrong about how good Stewart is, they're just wrong about how good Williams is.When given a lot of carries in a game (carrying the load), Williams produces and he does it on every down. Whether or not he can hold up under a 300+ carry load without wearing down or getting hurt remains to be seen simply because he hasn't done it yet. But then again, Stewart hasn't either even against college competition so who knows?

 
Bump, just wondering what people think on the RB situation going forward. They have a few nice matchups down the stretch starting next week against Oakland. Is Stewart worth holding onto? I am close to dropping him in my 12 league team and picking up Ray Rice.

 
Bump, just wondering what people think on the RB situation going forward. They have a few nice matchups down the stretch starting next week against Oakland. Is Stewart worth holding onto? I am close to dropping him in my 12 league team and picking up Ray Rice.
Ugh. Great week for Rice no doubt, but there you're talking about a guy in a 3-way RBBC. If nothing else, Stewart only has one guy to share time with.
 
Bump, just wondering what people think on the RB situation going forward. They have a few nice matchups down the stretch starting next week against Oakland. Is Stewart worth holding onto? I am close to dropping him in my 12 league team and picking up Ray Rice.
Ugh. Great week for Rice no doubt, but there you're talking about a guy in a 3-way RBBC. If nothing else, Stewart only has one guy to share time with.
Stewart has less people to split with and he at least sniffs some GL work. Rice doesn't. Gotta go Stewart here IMO.
 
Bump, just wondering what people think on the RB situation going forward. They have a few nice matchups down the stretch starting next week against Oakland. Is Stewart worth holding onto? I am close to dropping him in my 12 league team and picking up Ray Rice.
Ugh. Great week for Rice no doubt, but there you're talking about a guy in a 3-way RBBC. If nothing else, Stewart only has one guy to share time with.
Stewart has less people to split with and he at least sniffs some GL work. Rice doesn't. Gotta go Stewart here IMO.
Good replies. Rice just doesn't have the guaranteed role like Stewart does yet...but he's gaining.
 
He's saying you are being ignorant. Seemed obvious...
about what? My opinion that Williams isnt an every down back? And that i believe his half year of success isnt a sign of things to come?
Williams has been successful every year he has played. The only difference is that this year, he is getting more opportunities. Honestly, I don't know why it is so difficult for Stewart backers to simply admit that they misjudged Williams' ability. It's more than obvious you guys have.
That's the sad thing. No one that's a Williams fan is saying that Stewart isn't an every down back or that he isn't talented. We are just saying that Williams is too and it's being proven on the field. Stewart backers aren't necessarily wrong about how good Stewart is, they're just wrong about how good Williams is.When given a lot of carries in a game (carrying the load), Williams produces and he does it on every down. Whether or not he can hold up under a 300+ carry load without wearing down or getting hurt remains to be seen simply because he hasn't done it yet. But then again, Stewart hasn't either even against college competition so who knows?
Stewart isn't helping himself any with his fumbling problem.
 
He's saying you are being ignorant. Seemed obvious...
The fact that this had to be explained just cleared up a lot... :goodposting:
actually guy, go back and read the thread. I understand exactly what the poster meant when he seaid ignorance is bliss. It seems as though anyone sticking up for Stewart in this thread is ignorant and thT IS WHY I SAID IT MADE NO SENSE. Having an opinion doesn't make someone ignorant.
 
Lots of anger here?

I drafted Williams when he came out and he was a disappointment until this year - mostly due to lack of use, which I understood to follow from less than stellar work habits and blocking effort. I drafted Stewart this year for his talent and the handcuff, whichever way the carries fell. I think both are making it difficult for the other to take the job. Or maybe they are just making it easy for Fox to follow his (and most coaches preference any more) to play two guys. It keeps both fresh, either can carry the load when the other is hurt and if they have different talents - good on the 3rd and 2 or good on the 3rd and 7 ... you have a fresher and more complete RB than either one alone.

For my team, I wish they would go with one or the other as the main guy, but I don't see any reason why they should or would. I don't see how anyone could say the RB game there is anything but a huge asset rumbling along as it is. And who cares who can and can't carry a bigger load when they aren't asked to? Until they start running teams for us FF guys, why choose one over the other when using both together is more effective?

 
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